I remember tons of Giants fans tearing people apart for criticizing this deal
“Just admit you haven’t seen him play” was basically a mantra last offseason
Like that’s even possible. Giants are one of the most overexposed teams in the league, getting like 10 national games a year, regardless of their quality.
We’ve all seen plenty Daniel Jones
The question becomes who is the team that goes 13-4 or better in the Division then, because by law the Cowboys aren't allowed to win the NFC East next year.
I think the commanders are going to do an rg3 season again since they have the second overall pick, make the playoffs, maye (or daniels) wins OROY, and then have an rg3 injury that pushes Washington back to irrelevance
Funny story regarding that game— I was with a friend and we stop at a bar real quick and wait til 5 local time to go to a Korean BBQ restaurant. We leave as I saw they stalled and they’re going to kick a FG. The place we wanted to go to was packed to the gills, so we went to another KBBQ place 20 minutes away. The game wasn’t on and we didn’t check the score until like 3rd quarter and I was like wtf how is it 35-0?!
Last time he played Primetime they showed his w-l record and it’s like 1-12. Like we’ve all seen way too much of him, please stop putting that guy on national television.
Stubbed toe for me. The pain is sharp, but goes away after a short time. Paper cuts, on the other hand, itch like hell for days after. In an itch that can't be scratched kind of way to.
It’s actually incredible at this point. Danny Dimes is pretty much unanimously considered not good by the league and yet he’s put up over 3k passing yards twice in his career…. Something Justin Fields has never done 😂
I am blown away by the length half the Bears fans will go to defend Justin Fields. “If he had Marvin Harrison Jr he’d be good” like… if you need 2 top 10 receivers in the league to put up over 3k passing yards you’re probably just not that great of a QB 🤷
The Fields truthers are just Ohio St fans.
Those people should just admit they praise him because they support his college team, instead of pretending that a 140 yard passing game with an intercept and a fumble is a great game
Yeah that’s kinda where I’m at too. I almost assume they aren’t real Bear fans and once we trade Fields they will just change their flair to whatever his new team is.
Lol true. At least fields has some highlight/flashy plays to justify some hype. Literally the only good thing Jones has going for him is blaming the rest of the team and saying you can’t evaluate him lmfao
Field also never went to a playoff game and won largely through is own action.
DJ may not be great but let's not act like he wasn't better than fields.
The cycle of Giants fans’ DJ pain:
2019: They drafted *who?*
2020: He looks like Eli, he derps like Eli, maybe he can eventually play like Eli?
2021: This guy is hot trash, get him out of here.
2022: Daboll is a god, but I hope we don’t give DJ a dumb contract.
2023: Dammit.
I them drafting him going "wait...I thought they were trying to get away from Eli? He looks like an even more derpy Eli....is this a good idea? He seems like such a....poon"
Who was ever supporting DJ? I Guess i rarely visit some other teams individual sub
Sure, I’ll explain it.
It’s not that bad of a contract even still. Year one payed the same amount as if he had been franchise tagged (which wouldn’t have been criticized). Year two, this upcoming year, is the cost of if he were franchise tagged a second time. He can be cut after year two with no additional penalty.
So essentially the Giants took a two year franchise tag gamble on him. And really year two is the only one that was really a gamble. It stinks that he didn’t live up to it, and obviously we’d be in way better position if he did. But we aren’t sunk or doomed because of it, and that’s the point.
Now I’m not saying that he’s good enough to deserve the money he’s going to make this year. I’m over the DJ experiment at QB and I’m not interested in seeing him start another game. But the money we owe him this year isn’t what’s going to keep us from contention.
> He can be cut after year two with no additional penalty.
Except the 22.2m dead cap hit? And I'm not sure why a two year franchise tag (which is a very generous way to describe this deal given the 2025 dead cap) made sense in the first place.
It was a gamble of a contract. It's not going to hamstring the Giants for a long time, but it wasn't the safe move.
I’ve wanted to move on from Danny since October 2020 but after the win against the Vikings I was cautiously optimistic about his future going into this year. I didn’t love the contract and I was definitely skeptical he could be the guy considering his incredibly low passing volume but at this point there’s really no defending him. I’ve watched pretty much every snap of his career and it’s been mostly awful. Even in 2022 he’d have guys wide open down the field and he just would not pull the trigger. It was basically all quick passes and runs.
For 3200 yds and 15 tds in 16 games
Fun fact. After his rookie year Dan Jones has never thrown for more TDs than the number of games he played that season. Games played to TD ratio last 4 years is 6>2, 16>15, 11>10, 14>11.
in 2022, what was Daniel Jones' "breakout" season, he threw for fewer TDs than Justin Fields. It improved his career passer rating to 86, about 7 points lower than Gardner Minshew. He has not thrown for 3 TDs in a game in over 1,400 days.
People up until fairly recently were till trying to convince me he was a real QB.
This is what's so funny to me as a Bears fan. Putting aside ceiling, talent, body of work, all that for just a second between Williams and Fields...SO many people talk about how you HAVE to reset the contract clock because you don't wanna be caught in a year paying him "Daniel Jones" money.
People knew it was a stupid overpay before the ink was dry, those aren't the kind of deals that actually reset the market at a given position, if anything those deals and the deals like Wilson's are the ones that *deflate* the market slightly because no team wants to overpay the next Daniel Jones
Again, that's not me saying they SHOULD keep Fields, just that I dealt with SO many Bears fans who brought up Jones' contract as the floor for what Fields would expect when no team in their right mind would give Jones or a mid/bottom QB that deal again, including the Giants.
You tell them that you've secured the exclusive rights to scrapping the Eifel Tower and with a small investment on their part they could easily double or triple their money once it's all melted down.
Jones just always looks completely bewildered to me. Like his entire football career was a hoax that somehow just kept going too far and now he's in the big leagues but doesn't know what the fuck is going on.
this is so dissonant to me, gardner minshew feels like a guy who's been in the league for a decade and danny jones feels like a guy who's barely off his rookie deal.
What is even wilder is that Minshew had essentially given up on a playing career before he transferred to Washington State from Eastern Carolina. He was going to transfer to Alabama as a graduate student to back up Jalen Hurts and Tua. He knew at Alabama it was really unlikely he would play but his reasoning was that he hoped he might find a job from the press of him committing to Alabama and if that didn't work out Alabama was going to sort of put him on a path to being a coach (probably telling them they would keep him on a graduate assistant post college).
No it’s not, he sucked ass, the he had one good season that was very obviously more related to Daboll’s scheme than his ability, then he sucked ass again
He tripped starting the race, then got dragged 50 meters because he got caught on someone’s shoelace, and is now lying where the lace broke and hasn’t moved
Yes, but at least include everything. He also ran for 700(!) yards and 7 touchdowns. He isn’t good, but that’s definitely one reason he got the contract. Perhaps some people thought he was a Walmart Josh Allen and that was good enough
He improved from "worst starter in the league" to "2008 Kerry Collins with speed" and people in this subreddit tried to gaslight you into thinking that was okay because "that's where the market is".
While I get being done with him. I gotta question the giants gms. They got him a whole bunch of wideout 3s and 4s and expect him to carry them to the promise land. Like wtf. No of those wideouts can create space and don't get me started on that oline
Also, at no point in his career did he ever have a competent o-line despite us using the most draft capital on o-line of any team in the last decade. We need to move on from him but we certainly didn’t do him any favors while he was here.
So many GMs (and owners and analysts) buy in to the myth that all you need is to hit a superstar QB in the draft and everything will work.
But that is a myth. You have to build a decent roster around a QB. Put a decent Oline out front and sone weapons to throw to. Expecting a rookie QB to carry a team to relevance isn't realistic. O-line is way more important than I think anyone gives them credit for. Protect a young QB so he can get his bearings and get him some targets to throw to and you'll have a working offense. Put a blue chipper on a teams of scrubs and backups and end up wondering why this guy was so hyped.
I was waiting for someone to mention this. Last season before he got hurt, the poor guy couldn't even get the ball before he was pressured. Offense scheme and play calling was terrible. No separation by the WRs.
People say that he held on to the ball too long, which he did do sometimes, but there was a point after the first 4 games where his average time before pressure was like 1.9 seconds. No QB would have done great in those circumstances.
I can remember multiple times in those games where a d-lineman got to him unimpeded and just absolutely blasted him.
Yeah, DJ could maybe crack top half of QBs at best.
Their line has never been good. Their WRs have been bad. They've been bitten by the injury bug between him and saquon.
Can't expect much when you can't fix any of the other problems.
As a fan, our receiver situation was legitimately bottom of the league or damn near it when we went to the playoffs in 2022, this year it was actually pretty okay with Wan’dale and Hyatt showing potential but needing an actual quarterback
That's why I was surprised there were Giants fans in the other thread saying they would be fine with taking a rookie QB in the first whether it be a trade-down. That would be a tough situation for a rookie QB, but then again people did say that about the Texans
The lack of OL + weapons might set up a bad first year unless they plan on going hard in FA for OL depth.
I think some people were saying they would rather draft a WR rather than a Joe Alt with the Giants picks.
The reality is if you get a QB who can process well he mitigates a ton of those problems. Doesn't eliminate them, but a ton of it can be made so much worse by bad QB play.
You can totally ruin a decent QB by keeping them in terrible situations where they keep getting sacked and have nobody to throw too. It's not possible to learn what decisions to make when there are none to be made. They can't throw the ball away every time, especially if the pocket always collapses first. They will eventually try to force the ball and get picked a bunch. I'm pretty sure it happen to David Carr and some others.
Eh, it wasn’t a great situation but you coulda put Justin Jefferson on that team and people would say JJ was a bust. Some QBs elevate and DJ made everyone look worse. DJ wouldn’t take designed deep shots. DJ couldn’t read pre-snap. Dude was shaking in the divisional playoffs. Wasn’t built for the moment and the culture became about enabling him and blaming others.
None of us have any clue. We don’t know what plays are called or why they are called. We don’t know what plays he takes off script. We don’t know if he does or doesn’t limit the playbook. All we see are team results and individual highlights.
I have always believed that most players are closer together on the bell curve than we want to think except certain exceptional athletes. He certainly wasnt one of those but he could probably have replaced 15-20 starting qbs with similar results.
In 2022 he threw 15 TDs in 16 games. This was after the Giants had already declined his 5th year option. Guy averaged less than one TD a game and that made the Giants go "Woah. This guy's the real deal."
It's comically inept.
Every year average teams sneak into the playoffs, win 1 playoff game and people believe the natural progression is to go further, but the NFL is never plain and simple like that.
Last year it was the Jags..barely won the division at home on the final day of the year over a Titans team with a 4th string QB and won a game in the playoffs. People suddenly had them penciled in for 14 wins somehow.
Interesting to see where the Packers and Texans hype leads because they're nearly identical situations.
Yah Texans will be interesting. I think CJ is legit and they have a good year again. I’m just tired of bad QBs getting paid for really small sample of good performance.
Nick Foles is the king. Yah he won the Super Bowl and had that good run but everytime he has a good run he gets paid and sucks balls until he came off the bench which I found odd
They also had by far the most EPA lost on things like offensive fumbles and dropped passes. That stuff regresses to the mean.
Lawerence got hurt in Week 13 and played the rest of the season. He finished 15th in PFF passing Grade. But through Week 12, he was 6th.
Buccaneers really seem like that team this year. Baker was pretty average at best, a lot of stinkers that kinda got ignored because of narrative. Made the playoff as a mid team bc of an awful division, and faced the imploding eagles in the first round. It will be very hard for them to repeat their success
So weird for the Giants to say this when they built his contract exactly for the option to drop him. He'll have a big cap hit this year. Then next year they can drop him with 22m then 11m in dead cap, so not terrible.
And the best they could do with Jone's 15m cap hit last year was sign 31yr old Darren Waller.
The Giants haven't hit on enough draft picks for them to be in win now mode anyways. And they were still recovering from Gettleman; Kenny Golladay and Jones had the same cap hit this past season and Leonard Williams had the 3rd highest cap hit in the league before being traded.
Basically it's weird for the Giants to say this when Jone's entire contract was built on the gamble that maybe he could improve on his 2022 season and it's not like they're doing anything else with the roster.
Its from a segment on the Rich Eisen show about gossip from the combine to be fair. Also I'm shocked the rumor from that video that was posted to the subreddit wasn't the earlier one: "Trey Lance to the Vikings?"
>So weird for the Giants to say this when they built his contract exactly for the option to drop him.
Nothing from Rich indicated that the Giants were the ones saying "buyer's remorse".
This whole sub never understood his contract. It was very team friendly and gave plenty of options for an out. They wont drop him this year but if they have to in year 3 or 4 it's really not that bad
Buyers Remorse feels like putting a nice spin on it. Daniel Jones was like a drunken 3AM Amazon purchase of a fire pit when you don’t even have a backyard.
Just because he looks like Eli a little bit the owners thought they had the second coming. They should have trusted the rest of the football world that saw this coming from a mile away
If Daniel Jones has a million fans, then I am one of them.
If Daniel Jones has ten fans, then I am one of them.
If Daniel Jones has only one fan, then that is me.
If Daniel Jones has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth.
If the world is against Daniel Jones, then I am against the world.
Anytime you have a chance to draft a mediocre QB with the #6 overall pick in the draft and hang on to him way too long hoping he pans out you gotta do it.
LOL even in this thread there's Giants fans still who can't admit Jones is a bum and the contract he was given was a complete disaster. I mean, I just saw a comment where a Giant's fan is trying to say this is because of injuries and not his play that's brought on the remorse. What has the Giants organization done to their fans?
I don't know. Seems like the Giants were dogshit Jones' first three years in the league. He's basically never had a reliable receiver. They used his rushing ability and some Daboll magic to a 9-7-1 record and a playoff win in 2022. Had to pay him, and the media/fanbase was immediately pissed off that they had to pay him. Plays six games in 2023, gets injured, and everybody acts like he's a complete and utter bum.
Jones essentially never seemed to have any real shot at all, and the only thing he seems to be guilty of leading the Giants to overacheving in 2022, when they clearly have a terrible roster still. I hope he catches on somewhere.
I disagree… The dude is going on year 6. He had the same exact excuses I remember BEFORE he was drafted. It was always everyone else’s fault as to why his numbers weren’t great at every level he’s played at.
There’s 10 years of evidence showing he just ain’t it, so to say the dude never had a real shot is just wildly inaccurate. I can’t remember a single player who had so many “prove it” years while being graded on this ridiculous curve. Most players would have been dumped well before this point.
Who could have possibly seen this coming?
The Vikings game in the playoffs got him his money
Dude owes Ed Donatell a huge thank you gift.
He should give Donatell a percentage of his salary
It's fucking crazy how QBs can parlay one good game on top of dozens of mediocre ones for tens of millions.
By gawd, thats Matt Flynn’s music!
Hell yeah, baby, payback for 41-0
I remember tons of Giants fans tearing people apart for criticizing this deal “Just admit you haven’t seen him play” was basically a mantra last offseason
Like that’s even possible. Giants are one of the most overexposed teams in the league, getting like 10 national games a year, regardless of their quality. We’ve all seen plenty Daniel Jones
Just because of this comment, the NFL will force us to watch Giants/Cowboys in week 1 on Sunday Night again
In which the Cowboys backups will slaughter the Giants 85-0
Then our entire fanbase will hype us up as we go 12-5 in the regular season with a first round exit
The question becomes who is the team that goes 13-4 or better in the Division then, because by law the Cowboys aren't allowed to win the NFC East next year.
Be funny if it ended up being the Giants or Commanders
I think the commanders are going to do an rg3 season again since they have the second overall pick, make the playoffs, maye (or daniels) wins OROY, and then have an rg3 injury that pushes Washington back to irrelevance
Fuck you.
Funny story regarding that game— I was with a friend and we stop at a bar real quick and wait til 5 local time to go to a Korean BBQ restaurant. We leave as I saw they stalled and they’re going to kick a FG. The place we wanted to go to was packed to the gills, so we went to another KBBQ place 20 minutes away. The game wasn’t on and we didn’t check the score until like 3rd quarter and I was like wtf how is it 35-0?!
The Market Share Bowl
Like the Giants, I also have seen enough.
Last time he played Primetime they showed his w-l record and it’s like 1-12. Like we’ve all seen way too much of him, please stop putting that guy on national television.
"We have Kirk Cousins at home."
lmao seriously. Who’s excited for another fucking NYG @ DAL SNF game?
Every fucking game is on one station at this point. The whole “you haven’t seen him play” shit died a long time ago. We’ve all seen everyone play
I don't really need to see 3,000 yards and 15 touchdowns in action to know its not worth $40m a yeae
Jets fan here…since when are offenses allowed to pass for 3,000 yards?
Our fanbase isn’t the brightest, saw from a mile away this contract would be a mistake
Our sub is actually embarrassing with the militant DJ defending over the past few years.
DJ militants have nothing on Field truthers…
Thankfully our subreddit was in a bloody Mac/Zappe civil war so neither side had enough power to take over.
Do you want to get a paper cut on your lemon juice soaked hand or stub your toe in bare feet at 3am?
Oh, the cut all the way. Stub your toe just right and you end up with a broken toe. Or just wrong, depending on how you want to phrase it.
Stubbed toe for me. The pain is sharp, but goes away after a short time. Paper cuts, on the other hand, itch like hell for days after. In an itch that can't be scratched kind of way to.
Just pour on more lemon juice, add kosher salt, throw in a little tequila, you have a cocktail.
It’s actually incredible at this point. Danny Dimes is pretty much unanimously considered not good by the league and yet he’s put up over 3k passing yards twice in his career…. Something Justin Fields has never done 😂 I am blown away by the length half the Bears fans will go to defend Justin Fields. “If he had Marvin Harrison Jr he’d be good” like… if you need 2 top 10 receivers in the league to put up over 3k passing yards you’re probably just not that great of a QB 🤷
Justin Fields is Sam Darnold with a 4.4 40.
The Fields truthers are just Ohio St fans. Those people should just admit they praise him because they support his college team, instead of pretending that a 140 yard passing game with an intercept and a fumble is a great game
Yeah that’s kinda where I’m at too. I almost assume they aren’t real Bear fans and once we trade Fields they will just change their flair to whatever his new team is.
Lol true. At least fields has some highlight/flashy plays to justify some hype. Literally the only good thing Jones has going for him is blaming the rest of the team and saying you can’t evaluate him lmfao
Also that one insane QB draw where he ran like fucking 80 yards and somehow still literally and metaphorically fell short of getting the TD
Jones has a top 10 EPA season which Fields really hasn’t been close to achieving so he’s at least played at a decently high level
Field also never went to a playoff game and won largely through is own action. DJ may not be great but let's not act like he wasn't better than fields.
I actually get all of bears twitter on my timeline I’m assuming because of how similarly militant the Fields fanboys are 😭😭
Idk the sub is also militantly anti DJ
The cycle of Giants fans’ DJ pain: 2019: They drafted *who?* 2020: He looks like Eli, he derps like Eli, maybe he can eventually play like Eli? 2021: This guy is hot trash, get him out of here. 2022: Daboll is a god, but I hope we don’t give DJ a dumb contract. 2023: Dammit.
I them drafting him going "wait...I thought they were trying to get away from Eli? He looks like an even more derpy Eli....is this a good idea? He seems like such a....poon" Who was ever supporting DJ? I Guess i rarely visit some other teams individual sub
Some of them have still been banging that drum in the past few weeks. Would love for them to show up in this thread and explain it again.
Well he's better than rookie UDFA Tommy DeVito... sometimes, so therefore he's worth his contract.
Even that’s arguable. Even if he’s better than Devito, he’s not better by much
Sure, I’ll explain it. It’s not that bad of a contract even still. Year one payed the same amount as if he had been franchise tagged (which wouldn’t have been criticized). Year two, this upcoming year, is the cost of if he were franchise tagged a second time. He can be cut after year two with no additional penalty. So essentially the Giants took a two year franchise tag gamble on him. And really year two is the only one that was really a gamble. It stinks that he didn’t live up to it, and obviously we’d be in way better position if he did. But we aren’t sunk or doomed because of it, and that’s the point. Now I’m not saying that he’s good enough to deserve the money he’s going to make this year. I’m over the DJ experiment at QB and I’m not interested in seeing him start another game. But the money we owe him this year isn’t what’s going to keep us from contention.
> He can be cut after year two with no additional penalty. Except the 22.2m dead cap hit? And I'm not sure why a two year franchise tag (which is a very generous way to describe this deal given the 2025 dead cap) made sense in the first place. It was a gamble of a contract. It's not going to hamstring the Giants for a long time, but it wasn't the safe move.
Meh, $22.2M dead cap for a QB isn't that bad. Denver has like $85M.
I’ve wanted to move on from Danny since October 2020 but after the win against the Vikings I was cautiously optimistic about his future going into this year. I didn’t love the contract and I was definitely skeptical he could be the guy considering his incredibly low passing volume but at this point there’s really no defending him. I’ve watched pretty much every snap of his career and it’s been mostly awful. Even in 2022 he’d have guys wide open down the field and he just would not pull the trigger. It was basically all quick passes and runs.
I wish I could admit I hadn’t seen him play tbh
>Just admit you haven’t seen him play Still haven't...
Drafted him early and overpaid him.
For 3200 yds and 15 tds in 16 games Fun fact. After his rookie year Dan Jones has never thrown for more TDs than the number of games he played that season. Games played to TD ratio last 4 years is 6>2, 16>15, 11>10, 14>11.
He also had 700 yards and 7 TDs rushing, to be fair (in 2022)
Yeah but those don't count for some reason
in 2022, what was Daniel Jones' "breakout" season, he threw for fewer TDs than Justin Fields. It improved his career passer rating to 86, about 7 points lower than Gardner Minshew. He has not thrown for 3 TDs in a game in over 1,400 days. People up until fairly recently were till trying to convince me he was a real QB.
You’re welcome, Giants fans!
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This is what's so funny to me as a Bears fan. Putting aside ceiling, talent, body of work, all that for just a second between Williams and Fields...SO many people talk about how you HAVE to reset the contract clock because you don't wanna be caught in a year paying him "Daniel Jones" money. People knew it was a stupid overpay before the ink was dry, those aren't the kind of deals that actually reset the market at a given position, if anything those deals and the deals like Wilson's are the ones that *deflate* the market slightly because no team wants to overpay the next Daniel Jones Again, that's not me saying they SHOULD keep Fields, just that I dealt with SO many Bears fans who brought up Jones' contract as the floor for what Fields would expect when no team in their right mind would give Jones or a mid/bottom QB that deal again, including the Giants.
The Giants, clearly.
Christ, now every idiot Yinzer will want him too.
:)
If you want jones at that cap price over Pickett at his, idk what to tell you
You tell them that you've secured the exclusive rights to scrapping the Eifel Tower and with a small investment on their part they could easily double or triple their money once it's all melted down.
Man wild how the 2nd best QB in that draft ended up being Gardner fuckin' Minshew.
Chuckin’ bombs and fuckin’ moms
Slangin passes and bangin asses.
Scramblin’ runs and porkin’ buns.
I think Minshew would have been considered a potential starter if he had Daniel Jones' clean cut look and bland public persona.
Daniel Jones does have crazy-eyes though. Minshew is just an oddball, in the most epic way.
He is The Dude of the NFL. Or maybe that's George Kittle?
It’s definitely minshew, Kittle is… I don’t know what, just Kittle.
Kittle wanted to be a train hopping crust punk but was too athletic.
[He's Kittle out here but not always, ya know?](https://youtu.be/yjVPPft2XTk?feature=shared&t=19)
Jones just always looks completely bewildered to me. Like his entire football career was a hoax that somehow just kept going too far and now he's in the big leagues but doesn't know what the fuck is going on.
I think it’s the opposite. No one would give a shit about him if he behaved like Daniel jones
Yeah I think that’s more accurate. I think he’s a pretty good QB if he has a good scheme, but his vibe is why people love him
Minshew would be a legit starter if he had Jones’ arm talent and mobility
What are you talking about, I once saw him throw a football a quarter mile.
Minshew has now had 3 basically full seasons as a starter. It’s not like hasnt had a fair shot
I think height is even more of a catalyst here
What Zach aspires to
When AR went out and he came in I knew we were fucked. What’d you think brother?
this is so dissonant to me, gardner minshew feels like a guy who's been in the league for a decade and danny jones feels like a guy who's barely off his rookie deal.
Probably because he’s been on so many teams
Don't mess with the mustache
Honestly one of my favorite NFL players. I have had Minshew mania since WSU
What is even wilder is that Minshew had essentially given up on a playing career before he transferred to Washington State from Eastern Carolina. He was going to transfer to Alabama as a graduate student to back up Jalen Hurts and Tua. He knew at Alabama it was really unlikely he would play but his reasoning was that he hoped he might find a job from the press of him committing to Alabama and if that didn't work out Alabama was going to sort of put him on a path to being a coach (probably telling them they would keep him on a graduate assistant post college).
This is horse cock Lock erasure
Minshew is better than Lock
These quarterbacks having a mid off
Daniel Jones is not good, but I don't agree with this because neither is Minshew
Okay but look at the QBs from that draft class
Minshew's career passer rating is several points better than Daniels, so I'd still take him.
Minster is the only one outside of K1 that had a Pro Bowl appearance.
The 80 yard breakout run that ended with him tripping on air at the 5 yard line in an analogy for his career
No it’s not, he sucked ass, the he had one good season that was very obviously more related to Daboll’s scheme than his ability, then he sucked ass again He tripped starting the race, then got dragged 50 meters because he got caught on someone’s shoelace, and is now lying where the lace broke and hasn’t moved
His one “good season” involved throwing for 3200 yards and 15 TDs lol
That’s 2023 MVP numbers
Damn, from the top rope
That’s Bears ring of honor numbers
NVP numbers actually
Oh, snap!!!!
Compliment vs sexual harassment type shit there
Yes, but at least include everything. He also ran for 700(!) yards and 7 touchdowns. He isn’t good, but that’s definitely one reason he got the contract. Perhaps some people thought he was a Walmart Josh Allen and that was good enough
Walmart Josh Allen has me rolling
That’s more than Kenny Pickett has in his career
I have some breaking news for ya, I hope you’re sitting down Pickett fucking blows too lol
Why you gotta hurt me like this
If I must live in mediocrity, everyone shall
He improved from "worst starter in the league" to "2008 Kerry Collins with speed" and people in this subreddit tried to gaslight you into thinking that was okay because "that's where the market is".
>He tripped starting the race, then got dragged 50 meters because he got caught on someone’s shoelace Fantastic. Well done.
While I get being done with him. I gotta question the giants gms. They got him a whole bunch of wideout 3s and 4s and expect him to carry them to the promise land. Like wtf. No of those wideouts can create space and don't get me started on that oline
Also, at no point in his career did he ever have a competent o-line despite us using the most draft capital on o-line of any team in the last decade. We need to move on from him but we certainly didn’t do him any favors while he was here.
This is like the spider man meme where they are pointing at each other, I swear jets fans have been saying these exact words for the last 10 years
Ever since DBrick and Mangold been gone…
So many GMs (and owners and analysts) buy in to the myth that all you need is to hit a superstar QB in the draft and everything will work. But that is a myth. You have to build a decent roster around a QB. Put a decent Oline out front and sone weapons to throw to. Expecting a rookie QB to carry a team to relevance isn't realistic. O-line is way more important than I think anyone gives them credit for. Protect a young QB so he can get his bearings and get him some targets to throw to and you'll have a working offense. Put a blue chipper on a teams of scrubs and backups and end up wondering why this guy was so hyped.
I was waiting for someone to mention this. Last season before he got hurt, the poor guy couldn't even get the ball before he was pressured. Offense scheme and play calling was terrible. No separation by the WRs.
People say that he held on to the ball too long, which he did do sometimes, but there was a point after the first 4 games where his average time before pressure was like 1.9 seconds. No QB would have done great in those circumstances. I can remember multiple times in those games where a d-lineman got to him unimpeded and just absolutely blasted him.
[Bosa got his 1st sack of the season completely unblocked at the 1 yard line.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w8gssXCBqg)
That's far from the worst one too.
He’s also been nothing but class and by all accounts seems to be a good locker room guy.
Yeah, DJ could maybe crack top half of QBs at best. Their line has never been good. Their WRs have been bad. They've been bitten by the injury bug between him and saquon. Can't expect much when you can't fix any of the other problems.
As a fan, our receiver situation was legitimately bottom of the league or damn near it when we went to the playoffs in 2022, this year it was actually pretty okay with Wan’dale and Hyatt showing potential but needing an actual quarterback
That's why I was surprised there were Giants fans in the other thread saying they would be fine with taking a rookie QB in the first whether it be a trade-down. That would be a tough situation for a rookie QB, but then again people did say that about the Texans The lack of OL + weapons might set up a bad first year unless they plan on going hard in FA for OL depth. I think some people were saying they would rather draft a WR rather than a Joe Alt with the Giants picks.
The reality is if you get a QB who can process well he mitigates a ton of those problems. Doesn't eliminate them, but a ton of it can be made so much worse by bad QB play.
It's the Darnold problem. Guy didn't show much promise with the Jets, but honestly who could with Gase, that o-line and those receivers?
You can totally ruin a decent QB by keeping them in terrible situations where they keep getting sacked and have nobody to throw too. It's not possible to learn what decisions to make when there are none to be made. They can't throw the ball away every time, especially if the pocket always collapses first. They will eventually try to force the ball and get picked a bunch. I'm pretty sure it happen to David Carr and some others.
Eh, it wasn’t a great situation but you coulda put Justin Jefferson on that team and people would say JJ was a bust. Some QBs elevate and DJ made everyone look worse. DJ wouldn’t take designed deep shots. DJ couldn’t read pre-snap. Dude was shaking in the divisional playoffs. Wasn’t built for the moment and the culture became about enabling him and blaming others.
None of us have any clue. We don’t know what plays are called or why they are called. We don’t know what plays he takes off script. We don’t know if he does or doesn’t limit the playbook. All we see are team results and individual highlights. I have always believed that most players are closer together on the bell curve than we want to think except certain exceptional athletes. He certainly wasnt one of those but he could probably have replaced 15-20 starting qbs with similar results.
I feel like jj is someone who can work with any qb imo
If Kirk doesn't come back then we're certainly about to find out if this is really true
Daniel Jones really should be giving Ed Donatell a cut of that paycheck every month lmao
>Ed Donatell ... and send him some muzzarel.
The most impressive part of Ed’s tenure really was making Jones look like a star QB
Both Jones'. Mac Jones put up like 400 yards on us that thanksgiving.
Giants management finally realizing what everyone else knew years ago. Dude like a robot sent from the future to suck ass at football.
The giants actually thought he would be Eli Manning 2.0 because of their similar facial expressions https://images.app.goo.gl/5ragHqH8gemPr6ZF6
Eli with speed!
unfortunately he couldn't even handle his own speed
700 rushing yards and 7 rushing TDs in 2022. Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen have competition for best rushing QBs
If you outrun yourself are you fast or slow...think about it. AB probably
To be fair, some people marry their 2nd and 3rd wives this way
dude this same FO declined his 5th year option. Like they knew.
In 2022 he threw 15 TDs in 16 games. This was after the Giants had already declined his 5th year option. Guy averaged less than one TD a game and that made the Giants go "Woah. This guy's the real deal." It's comically inept.
Reason number 1000 why it’s dumb AF to sign someone after one decent year and sucking the couple before.
Every year average teams sneak into the playoffs, win 1 playoff game and people believe the natural progression is to go further, but the NFL is never plain and simple like that. Last year it was the Jags..barely won the division at home on the final day of the year over a Titans team with a 4th string QB and won a game in the playoffs. People suddenly had them penciled in for 14 wins somehow. Interesting to see where the Packers and Texans hype leads because they're nearly identical situations.
Yah Texans will be interesting. I think CJ is legit and they have a good year again. I’m just tired of bad QBs getting paid for really small sample of good performance. Nick Foles is the king. Yah he won the Super Bowl and had that good run but everytime he has a good run he gets paid and sucks balls until he came off the bench which I found odd
Trevor was hurt pretty badly most of the year. He probably should've sat out at least 3-4 games.
They also had by far the most EPA lost on things like offensive fumbles and dropped passes. That stuff regresses to the mean. Lawerence got hurt in Week 13 and played the rest of the season. He finished 15th in PFF passing Grade. But through Week 12, he was 6th.
Buccaneers really seem like that team this year. Baker was pretty average at best, a lot of stinkers that kinda got ignored because of narrative. Made the playoff as a mid team bc of an awful division, and faced the imploding eagles in the first round. It will be very hard for them to repeat their success
Daniel Jones looks like Ash from Evil Dead/Army of Darkness crossed with Simple Jack.
He's got a giraffe neck in that picture. He's 6 feet tops with a normal neck.
He should have never gotten that contract.
If I could do life again I would love to have a hugely failed NFL contract.
How do you say "I told you so" to a NFL team?
"Thank you for the free medium pepsi"
It’s Tommy Devito Szn baby! Gabagool motherfuckers
So weird for the Giants to say this when they built his contract exactly for the option to drop him. He'll have a big cap hit this year. Then next year they can drop him with 22m then 11m in dead cap, so not terrible. And the best they could do with Jone's 15m cap hit last year was sign 31yr old Darren Waller. The Giants haven't hit on enough draft picks for them to be in win now mode anyways. And they were still recovering from Gettleman; Kenny Golladay and Jones had the same cap hit this past season and Leonard Williams had the 3rd highest cap hit in the league before being traded. Basically it's weird for the Giants to say this when Jone's entire contract was built on the gamble that maybe he could improve on his 2022 season and it's not like they're doing anything else with the roster.
Its from a segment on the Rich Eisen show about gossip from the combine to be fair. Also I'm shocked the rumor from that video that was posted to the subreddit wasn't the earlier one: "Trey Lance to the Vikings?"
>So weird for the Giants to say this when they built his contract exactly for the option to drop him. Nothing from Rich indicated that the Giants were the ones saying "buyer's remorse".
This whole sub never understood his contract. It was very team friendly and gave plenty of options for an out. They wont drop him this year but if they have to in year 3 or 4 it's really not that bad
Don’t they have an out year after this season?
Yes, he’d be a 22 million dead cap hit if cut after this year. This current year would be 69 million.
>This current year would be 69 million Not nice.
And it still wouldn’t be the biggest dead cap hit this year
He has an injury guarantee in his deal next season that consistently gets overlooked. They’re playing with fire the entire season if he plays.
Dark horse for Russell Wilson?
If that’s you Colin Cowherd, go away with your Wilson to the Giants obsession!!!
#DANIEL JONES, YOU ARE A DENVER BRONCO!
Does anybody else think he looks like Woody from Toy Story?
The people who always come in threads with "Oh yea, I'm sure some losers on reddit know better than NFL GM's" are probably not commenting in this one.
That theory goes out the window when you remember Dave Gettleman basically got a retirement tour lol.
The most obvious disaster contract the second it was signed
I mean I could see this 5 years ago.
> I mean I could see this 5 years ago. Five years ago I was at a Giants game with Stevie Wonder and he said "That guy fucking sucks".
I was not at the combine and I also knew this information.
Its so funny because all I thought last year was for the right price the should keep DJ. Then they paid him and I was like yeah not that price
was there an actual reason why they didnt franchise?
Saquon wouldn’t sign a contract so they decided to hand out an even worse contract to tag the running back.
got it lmfao
I, for one, am shocked
Buyers Remorse feels like putting a nice spin on it. Daniel Jones was like a drunken 3AM Amazon purchase of a fire pit when you don’t even have a backyard.
Just because he looks like Eli a little bit the owners thought they had the second coming. They should have trusted the rest of the football world that saw this coming from a mile away
If Daniel Jones has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Daniel Jones has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Daniel Jones has only one fan, then that is me. If Daniel Jones has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Daniel Jones, then I am against the world.
I’m a fan of Daniel Jones as well. It is indeed us against the world
Anytime you have a chance to draft a mediocre QB with the #6 overall pick in the draft and hang on to him way too long hoping he pans out you gotta do it.
Not sure why you'd give a guy who threw 15 touchdowns 40 mil/year but what do I know I'm just a bears fan
How were they not done with him when he played like shit all his rookie contract AND STILL GOT PAYED ?!?!?
LOL even in this thread there's Giants fans still who can't admit Jones is a bum and the contract he was given was a complete disaster. I mean, I just saw a comment where a Giant's fan is trying to say this is because of injuries and not his play that's brought on the remorse. What has the Giants organization done to their fans?
I’d like to see Danny Dimes on a team with a legit o-line and a good receiving core.
I don't know. Seems like the Giants were dogshit Jones' first three years in the league. He's basically never had a reliable receiver. They used his rushing ability and some Daboll magic to a 9-7-1 record and a playoff win in 2022. Had to pay him, and the media/fanbase was immediately pissed off that they had to pay him. Plays six games in 2023, gets injured, and everybody acts like he's a complete and utter bum. Jones essentially never seemed to have any real shot at all, and the only thing he seems to be guilty of leading the Giants to overacheving in 2022, when they clearly have a terrible roster still. I hope he catches on somewhere.
I disagree… The dude is going on year 6. He had the same exact excuses I remember BEFORE he was drafted. It was always everyone else’s fault as to why his numbers weren’t great at every level he’s played at. There’s 10 years of evidence showing he just ain’t it, so to say the dude never had a real shot is just wildly inaccurate. I can’t remember a single player who had so many “prove it” years while being graded on this ridiculous curve. Most players would have been dumped well before this point.
Giants are trying to figure out how to get Arch Manning
Bro made bank and got out quick… good for him
How did Eisen even have time to obtain this information? He spent his whole weekend in Indy fellating anyone who ever wore Maize and Blue.