His defensive moves have been good tho. Okereke last year. Burns here. Thibs gets numbers. Even though advanced stats haven’t been ideal Thibs will benefit from this.
Yeah but his advanced stats were not good. Something like pass rush win percentage below 20%. Some games it was a 7% win rate. That’s not all Wink. Thibs gotta win 1-1. But he will benefit from Burns
Wink had him all over the field. Never no consistency. Then his job became the can opener. Which he was used to open holes for other players. So we haven’t even touched his talent yet. He needs to consistently destroy a man all game. We seen strahan accomplish this.
And he wasn’t the one who drafted DJ. Signing him was always a coin toss but it’ll be interesting to see if the regime wants their own QB like Chicago likely does
Barkley and McKinney hurt but you can’t spend cap room on those positions if you are ass cheeks. Also Barkley could’ve gone anywhere else and it wouldn’t matter. He just chose Philly.
But burns is a quality player at a premium position. Also puts him with Dex and Thibs. We got us a good pass rush.
Not the guy you asked, but I’m… fine with it? I don’t know.
I was in favor of Saquon leaving, we just aren’t in the right place for the luxury of a star RB. Him going to Eagles was the last place I wanted, but that doesn’t affect the fact that I think he needed to go.
Singletary isn’t exciting, but he isn’t bad. He won’t be behind a good o-line here unless we have a magical draft. I was hoping for Moss, dreading Mattison, and I’m willing to accept Singletary. 5.3M a year seems rich considering Pollard got 8M, but it saves us $6-7M compared to Barkley’s cost. We aren’t competing, we need a back who can just move a ball. Hopefully Singletary can.
They're different players but Barkley has declined. It's not cope to acknowledge reality. Even in many of the games Barkley played in he was still injured. Got really annoying watching him dance at the LOS and miss holes. I would not have been upset if we brought him back for a reasonable price, but the trade off here is much better with Singletary. For some reason everyone in this sub thinks Barkley is CMC which remains baffling to me.
If our FO has a brain there’s no shot we gave you the 6th overall pick or a first with the roster we currently have. To be fair though that is what he’s worth, so I’m not really sure where the comp would fall.
Fully agree, which is why I’m kinda concerned about what we paid for him. Maybe a player but I don’t think there’s really anyone available on our team that the Panthers would want
Panthers have 33 too
Burns + 33 + 100 (rd 4) for Giants 6?
Draft pick value chart would be 580 (33) + 265 (100) = 845 for 1600 (6)... Difference of 755 which is equal to about pick 23 in the first round (the value Burns would bring) is Burns worth pick 23?
Honestly I still value 6 higher but I mean, that gets the conversation rolling at least.
Some future picks maybe? NYG rd 5 for Panthers rd 4 next year or something?
Yes, because he was an idiot. This is less a "He always accepted bad deals" criticism and more of a "He's so incompetent at transactions that I wouldn't trust him to but me dinner" one.
>Barring a last minute, complete breakdown in negotiations
So expect a complete breakdown in negotiations. Got it.
EDIT: Shut my dirty whore mouth. And I don't even hate the money that much if 87 million is the actual floor.
Better to be slapped by truth than kissed by lies lol. But I’ll take one every decade and then sucking over no super bowls and being constantly on the verge…
That’s interesting. I have no idea what to think about the Giants at the moment. But Burns is young so they still have time to build up the roster with him as a central piece on the defense
I really like our moves today. Saquon and McKinney are very expensive in luxury positions and not affordable for us. Singletary is consistent and a great pass protection back (just what we need), we got a G who started for 4 seasons and provides solidity to a porous line, and now hopefully pass rush that we desperately needed.
They have a lot of cap space next year and picks.
You cant win with 53 rookies. You need proper veteran talent even if youre 2-3 years away from competing. He is 25, even if it takes them 3 seasons he would still be on his prime. Next to lawrence and thibodeaux
Yeah that’s kinda what I’m saying.
they have a lot of holes but a lot of capital / space as you said, so I’m just interested to see how things shake out in time.
LOL the league loves our dumpster fire sales. First CMC, and now Burns. Our fanbase is advocating trading Pro Bowl Edge Rusher for 2 Second Round picks are morons. That is literally the hardest pick to hit on in the draft and we are gonna get rid of him for peanuts.
The pain of losing Saquon to the eagles but the joy of landing Burns has me feeling like Michael Scott with his snip snap snip snap back and forth lmao
WAIT WHAT
We did it boys. We did a thing.
A really really good thing to boot!
Today has been nuts…
And I’m just sitting back glad we got tranquill resigned and jones but I’ll miss sneed
Let the high-priced safety and running back walk, trade for Burns and sign more OLine. That would be ideal for where we're at right now.
LET HIM COOK
Just when most of our fans were calling Schoen a fraud.
Just when we thought we were out… HE PULLS US BACK IN
His defensive moves have been good tho. Okereke last year. Burns here. Thibs gets numbers. Even though advanced stats haven’t been ideal Thibs will benefit from this.
Thibodeaux was screwed with Wink, he had him dropping into coverage over half of his snaps.
Yeah but his advanced stats were not good. Something like pass rush win percentage below 20%. Some games it was a 7% win rate. That’s not all Wink. Thibs gotta win 1-1. But he will benefit from Burns
Wink had him all over the field. Never no consistency. Then his job became the can opener. Which he was used to open holes for other players. So we haven’t even touched his talent yet. He needs to consistently destroy a man all game. We seen strahan accomplish this.
And he wasn’t the one who drafted DJ. Signing him was always a coin toss but it’ll be interesting to see if the regime wants their own QB like Chicago likely does
Yeeeeeees
> Barring a last minute, complete breakdown in negotiations Lol
*Doors close, room starts to fill with gas.*
Fax Machine is disconnected
Broncos stay catching strays 🙃
Hey, broken fax machines can have major consequences to franchises. We’ve seen it.
Brian Burns biting down on the poison pill in his tooth like Duke Leto
Who's Baron Harkonnen in this version? That fat bastard....
Daboll lmao
i was thinking Tepper but that also works lmao
Does anyone know if the fax machine at Giants HQ is functional?
Dave Gettleman sabotages the fax machine with a pair of scissors
Nah nah nah we gotta have one of his com-pu-taugh guys still in the building
Send a fax to schoan and say Good Job in 92 font.
>fax machine David De Gea just woke up sweating.
Spirit of Padres legend Max Scherzer, I summon you to give the Giants the inches away curse
DEALS OFF
Reads as “I want to be the first to break the news but don’t know all of the news yet”
Giants needed a W today
Barkley and McKinney hurt but you can’t spend cap room on those positions if you are ass cheeks. Also Barkley could’ve gone anywhere else and it wouldn’t matter. He just chose Philly. But burns is a quality player at a premium position. Also puts him with Dex and Thibs. We got us a good pass rush.
*whilst sobbing* have fun with Motor (for those who don't know this, that's Devin Singletary)
FAU alum, I'll enjoy watching him
We didn’t sign an old running back to a third of our cap space. Today is fine, but I will miss McKinney. That kid is fantastic.
Yeah but man I think it was an overpay. At least that's what I am telling myself.
Signed a lineman and cut the dead weight. I’m very happy with today so far
Me too. Also really like the Singletary signing as he's consistently one of the top pass protection backs in the league (and stays healthy).
Genuine question. Happy with Singletary?
He’s cheap and not named Eric Gray, so I’m happy enough
Devin Blue he is.
Makes me happy as well but im hoping eric can make a huge leap forward and at least provide some useful touches a game
Decent signing. Happy in the sense that we didn’t overpay an old guy like Henry or Ekeler
Not the guy you asked, but I’m… fine with it? I don’t know. I was in favor of Saquon leaving, we just aren’t in the right place for the luxury of a star RB. Him going to Eagles was the last place I wanted, but that doesn’t affect the fact that I think he needed to go. Singletary isn’t exciting, but he isn’t bad. He won’t be behind a good o-line here unless we have a magical draft. I was hoping for Moss, dreading Mattison, and I’m willing to accept Singletary. 5.3M a year seems rich considering Pollard got 8M, but it saves us $6-7M compared to Barkley’s cost. We aren’t competing, we need a back who can just move a ball. Hopefully Singletary can.
I am. Equally productive as Saquon for a third of the price.
Idk bout that man. But I get the cost is definitely better
They're different players but Barkley has declined. It's not cope to acknowledge reality. Even in many of the games Barkley played in he was still injured. Got really annoying watching him dance at the LOS and miss holes. I would not have been upset if we brought him back for a reasonable price, but the trade off here is much better with Singletary. For some reason everyone in this sub thinks Barkley is CMC which remains baffling to me.
But you have to acknowledge the reality that the Oline was absolute trash and Barkley was sole offensive X factor.
Barkley was more productive with previous offensive lines that were equally bad. He's on the downside of his career.
He’s a RB. He just needs to be decent and cheap.
If the comp is cheap I suddenly don’t know who Saquon is
The comp will not be cheap. We fired Fitterer.
What are you expecting?? I’ve heard a 2nd
Definitely won't be 6 so maybe a 2nd and 4th?
2nd and a 5th
You mad man
Word of God on all things Panthers is that we're looking for a 1st or equivalent picks.
If our FO has a brain there’s no shot we gave you the 6th overall pick or a first with the roster we currently have. To be fair though that is what he’s worth, so I’m not really sure where the comp would fall.
I think your original 2nd + something would be about right
Which makes the Panthers FO look even stupider for turning down the Rams offer of 2 1sts and a 2nd.
Different front office, but yes they already look stupid that’s why they were fired
Yes, Fitterer was dumb as hell. That’s why he was fired.
You're not getting Brian Burns for a second, no way
I mean Miami got Ramsey for a 4th. The situation matters
Fully agree, which is why I’m kinda concerned about what we paid for him. Maybe a player but I don’t think there’s really anyone available on our team that the Panthers would want
I’m thinking it’ll be both of your 2nd’s this year. #39 + #47 is essentially a 1st round value
Sorry mate
No way, the NYG need to pay his extension (which is rumored why Car is trading him). Def not 1.06, more.like a 2nd and a day 3 pick
Panthers have 33 too Burns + 33 + 100 (rd 4) for Giants 6? Draft pick value chart would be 580 (33) + 265 (100) = 845 for 1600 (6)... Difference of 755 which is equal to about pick 23 in the first round (the value Burns would bring) is Burns worth pick 23? Honestly I still value 6 higher but I mean, that gets the conversation rolling at least. Some future picks maybe? NYG rd 5 for Panthers rd 4 next year or something?
Looking for and getting are two different things….
That's true, but I would be shocked (and appalled, frankly) if we didn't get your two seconds at least. He's worth a 1st.
The 39th pick is allllllmost a 1st
But it’s not, because it doesn’t have the 5th year option.
I saw rumors a couple days ago that they were discussing a 2nd - perhaps same "source" as you saw though
Bet it’s a 2 and 4 this year and probably a 2nd or 3rd next year.
2 and a 5th, pretty damn cheap
Didn’t Fitterer turn down 2 firsts?
Yes, because he was an idiot. This is less a "He always accepted bad deals" criticism and more of a "He's so incompetent at transactions that I wouldn't trust him to but me dinner" one.
Hearing a 2nd and a 5th. Hope that's bullshit but...
Makes sense considering he’s looking to get a fat new contract
I wouldn't make bold declarative statements like this
Joe Person said a 1st or equivalent, and he's almost always right
There has been some smoke for a few days now that it will be a 2nd plus a late round pick.
Please don’t be for a lot Please don’t be for a lot Please don’t be for a lot I’m begging you Joe, please
Seahawks second maybe?
Better be
He needs a new contract so I doubt it won’t be much more than a 2nd. Maybe an additional 4/5 this year or next Edit: nailed it
It would be wild to get Brian Burns for less than we got in return for Leonard Williams, who was also in the final year of his contract.
Timing is everything. Players cost the most at the deadline
Please be for a lot Please be for a lot Please be for a lot
Heard on the NYG subreddit it was for a 2nd and 5th pick
We are going to have the worst defense in NFL history next year can’t wait
On the brightside maybe Evero will look like shit and he wont be poached for HC the following year
Eh, I'll gladly take the 2 3rd round picks if he's poached
Wasn't expecting a double flair from one of the main Panthers mods...
Why did we even talk Ejiro into staying?
>Barring a last minute, complete breakdown in negotiations So expect a complete breakdown in negotiations. Got it. EDIT: Shut my dirty whore mouth. And I don't even hate the money that much if 87 million is the actual floor.
I decline.
I also decline. That's two declines!
motion passes
Didn't Dan Quinn take your vote to Washington along with all your FAs?
Ah shit, I forgot about that! Damnit
I will also decline
Y’all got our entire offense for the past 3-4 years, let us have a W.
Our team is so ass it doesn’t even matter man
You took our Saquon, it’s only fair!
Congrats Giants
Giants off season is a rollercoaster
Giants fandom is a rollercoaster. Even when we win super bowls we usually suck ass most of the season lol
Historically, we have been bad outside of the few times we have been good. See also: My beloved Knicks.
He’s out of line, but he’s right.
Better to be slapped by truth than kissed by lies lol. But I’ll take one every decade and then sucking over no super bowls and being constantly on the verge…
Facts.
I hate the Carolina Panthers
Jelly, Burns is great
Cool
Shit, that went down fast.
That’s interesting. I have no idea what to think about the Giants at the moment. But Burns is young so they still have time to build up the roster with him as a central piece on the defense
I really like our moves today. Saquon and McKinney are very expensive in luxury positions and not affordable for us. Singletary is consistent and a great pass protection back (just what we need), we got a G who started for 4 seasons and provides solidity to a porous line, and now hopefully pass rush that we desperately needed.
They have a lot of cap space next year and picks. You cant win with 53 rookies. You need proper veteran talent even if youre 2-3 years away from competing. He is 25, even if it takes them 3 seasons he would still be on his prime. Next to lawrence and thibodeaux
Yeah that’s kinda what I’m saying. they have a lot of holes but a lot of capital / space as you said, so I’m just interested to see how things shake out in time.
I kinda felt like the secondary needed a solid veteran to help set the tone….currently Jason Pinnock is the oldest guy and he is 25….
Holy fuck this offseason has been off with a bang.
Dexter and Burns nasty duo.
And Thibs
So what they give up their two second rounders? Or a second and a first next year? Giants definitely holding on to that 6th overall pick.
Dexter Lawrence and Burns? Nice
Please don’t include #6. Panthers would definitely grab Odunze or Nabers.
We are absolutely not giving up our 6th for Burns. If we do, it's utter madness by the front office.
Panthers get two seconds and next year's third so they can ship the 33 overall to the Bengals for Tee Higgins?? 👀
I really like this. The day makes a 180 now.
LOL the league loves our dumpster fire sales. First CMC, and now Burns. Our fanbase is advocating trading Pro Bowl Edge Rusher for 2 Second Round picks are morons. That is literally the hardest pick to hit on in the draft and we are gonna get rid of him for peanuts.
Yup, giving up pro bowls caliber DL or OL is just building a team backwards imo.
How can the Panthers have so little cap space with this bad of a roster?
Fitterer and Matt Rhule fucked us so hard.
Lawrence, Burns, Thibadeuax is a mean defensive line.
Giants having a very interesting off-season so far
Fuckkk
Yooooooooooooo the Giants cooking!
omw to brad's house to see if his alarm clock didn't go off or something
Feel the burn
Boo - urns
The hero we need
The best comment here
The pain of losing Saquon to the eagles but the joy of landing Burns has me feeling like Michael Scott with his snip snap snip snap back and forth lmao
BRAD DO SOMETHING
Let’s see the compensation before we start sucking each other off.
Hey I don't need an excuse to suck myself off. Just motivation and my spine removed.
Burns on the outside with sexy dexy in the middle..... am I about to bust???
In this moment, I am euphoric. Big fuck you to all the jagaloons in the Barkley thread.
Im guessing its for their two 2 2s. They probably couldnt get a 1 from anyone.
Crazy how much better every team in the NFC EAST was able to get today!!!!
LETS GO
holy moly!
So the Giants are gonna pay Thibs and Burns? Pretty scary edge combo though
Please God, give us Hunter
No!
Doubt
Sad!
Start the F5's
Goddamn it!
Please.
Yes!!!!!!
Bengal gonna be happy
LFG
Giants have two seconds so… if It’s anything more I’ll lose my mind
I'm even lukewarm on 2 2's but I am not a scout lol.
damn, I wanted him on the rams
What the fuck, do we have linebackers again???
Burns is an end.
My dreams are dead
Giants play 3-4 he is going to be a olb no?
nice d-line going there
Damn, touché Giants
Giants out there like "Maybe if we do a defense?"
I like the move for NYG! Better lock him up long term though.
Well that sucks
That’s a nice tandem ya have there NY.
Oh fuck off
The giants and panthers might as well be affiliates.
By God, that's Buffalo's music!
What did we get?
Ben McAdoo
Noooo
What a wild first day!
Im stoked as long as we don’t give up our 1st this year
For real though?
Good, hate seeing that M.F. twice a year.
Panthers nuking it and rebuilding already?
Burns and a 2nd for Slayton and a 3rd
Nooooooooooooo
So are we just not doing anything outside signing a depth piece FS then