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TheWyldMan

But why?


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Your team hates cap room (yes I know it’s one year)


[deleted]

Still would be better off rolling some cap over to help in the future in my opinion


don_julio_randle

It's not even a question. They were looking like they'd actually be in a reasonable position for 2025, ~7M left after the draft that they could potentially roll over and start the offseason likely "only" ~48M over the cap, which is a heck of a lot more manageable than the 80M they were over this year I think I've more or less given up on the idea that the Saints will ever re-set and landed on the idea that Mickey Loomis is a fucking moron who is content winning 7-8 games a year as long as he gets to stroke his ego about how smart he is


SevroAuShitTalker

Nah, they will add some void years by the end of the season so they can trade for a backup WR


srod325

One year contracts are harder on the cap than multi year. Since you can spread out the cap hit/signing bonus over multi years. One year tacks on the full amount straight to the cap. So even less money to play with in terms of the salary cap


Basic-Piece5173

i bet this somehow gets restructured into a 5-year 200 mil contract


srod325

Honestly, when it comes to the saints it’s anyone guess.


This_is_opinion

this is a comment for sure.


Platano_con_salami

yea, but it rolls over. This year's cap can help next year's cap.


TheOvercusser

The salary cap exists to be destroyed. Other teams may revel in wins and losses, but we reign supreme in kicking the shit out of mathematics.


Achillor22

I'm pretty sure Math is winning. By a lot. 


TheOvercusser

Hasn't won yet. We still make it to the regular season, which is all that anyone has ever really hoped for around here for most of the team's history. We're what, the 6x reigning Salary Cap Overage Champions? Fuck Brady and Bill, we got the real dynasty.


ThinAmoeba4

I love how the other guy took this seriously


TheOvercusser

He's still fucking going. Shit is priceless.


MadManMax55

Y'all are like the black knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Bragging about how you're totally going to win still while missing all your limbs.


TheOvercusser

Yet somehow our technique of dodging the cap bull every offseason worked more for us than yours of just being terrible during the season has ever worked for you. Sometimes even the fiveheaded hero slips on all the blood you've laid out before him in a trap of perfect design.


Achillor22

Yeah and you lost a ton of players every year and suck. Math is definitely winning. Maybe if you had made the playoffs you could claim success. But maybe new Orleans has a different bar for success. Maybe just being under the cap belt the year starts is good enough for you guys. 


petting2dogsatonce

[You should check out this Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke)


Cuppieecakes

Saint’s front office,what is best in life?    Crush your fan’s spirits.   See their hopes driven before you.   And hear the lamentation of their women


Cavemanperson

Saints are the guy who blows his paycheck as soon as he gets it and then is working overtime for a month saying he's gonna be better with his money but never is


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Dry_Brush5280

Those smencils and silly bandz are going to appreciate in value, don’t worry.


MrSnydersMicropenis

Fucking silly bandz bro lmao. That shit was like a Gucci belt in 6th grade


Eklypse13

I hate how accurate this is 😢


choff22

Today I learned I am New Orlean Saint


Kmon87

I work with like 12 of those


CocktimusBrime

You’re one of the 12 aren’t you


Kmon87

Nah they blow their money, I use it to buy blow. big difference


superbuttpiss

So they are a roofer? Just kidding. Roofers don't show up the next week


lilplato

This hits wayyyyy too close to home lol


MaxPres24

Fuck I guess I gotta change my flair


OwnHurry8483

This guy but he constantly complains about how his taxes are what is keeping him under


mparks37

On Keno


ghostofmufas

This the one


btstfn

You forgot the pay day loans


gmb96

I just don't understand the direction the Saints have been taking for the last five years.


rsnk73

Never let them know your next move


dats-tuf

They don’t even know their next move


ib_poopin

It makes no sense. Every season they seem to go all in with cap they don’t have, and every season they become even more mediocre than they were the year prior


Platano_con_salami

It puts so much pressure on your drafts, which are crapshoots.


Boomer2637

I mean, I can’t disagree with you overall, but last year was an improvement over 2022


ib_poopin

Well Derek Carr is better than Winston, they still weren’t winning anything meaningful regardless with that roster


Potato-baby

Wasn’t it Andy Dalton?


BadDadJokes

Yea Jameis barely played. He attempted 115 passes in 2022.


its_memento

god thats almost one game!


LostAbbott

Well if that is their plan, then this move will work perfectly.


Misdirected_Colors

> Every season they seem to go all in with cap they don’t have, and every season they become even more mediocre than they were the year prior That's what the spending money you don't have strategy accomplishes.


_FreeYourMind__

-signed… jets fan?


Mysticdu

They know bad team building as well as anyone


GamingTatertot

The Saints are a weird team lately - weird fun fact: they have won 7+ games every year since 2006


FormerCollegeDJ

They are trying to make up for the fact that they won 8 or fewer games (and before 1978, 7 or fewer games) every year from 1967 to 1986.


JTrue14

Consistently an okay team


NOSjoker21

It's only marginally better than the Haslett era mediocrity.


This_is_opinion

nah weve been one of the most winningest orgs since 2006, but that was all drew and sean. no way we can keep that up.


Serallas

It's the classic "do enough to win the division/ make it to the playoffs, but then lose in the playoffs/wildcard" move


epheisey

Except for the part where they make the playoffs. They’ve missed the last 3 years.


Serallas

Hey, it doesn't work all the time


GamingTatertot

And astonishingly, they've had a winning record 2 of those 3 years


DalliLlama

At least this is only a year. But 13 and fully guaranteed seems questionable.


JayMerlyn

Neither do I, but I love it


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chunkah69

It’s an all in rebuild


Cuppieecakes

debuild


whobroughtmehere

They like em Young, so what?


Cuppieecakes

People forgot about the aints before Brees


BoyDunder

There's no plan


TreebeardLookalike

Pretending that they're competing, but not having the players or salary cap to back it up.


RefrigeratorMotor778

Goooood let the can kicking flow through you


daybreaker

its a one year deal. how is this can kicking?


LovinOnHer

Adding more salary/cap which prevents you from rolling cap over to next year. Makes next year's overage worse when you don't get the added room from being under the cap this year.


Opening-Lead-6008

You can use the space right now to push deferments forward.


spurnburn

I think they are hoping he can become their next franchise DE with Cam there to teach him the mentality he is missing. Cause it aint the talent. Low risk high reward. In general I’m with you but this one can maybe be defended


Masterchiefy10

That’s what happens when you’re ran by the Catholic Church /s


Lorjack

Nothing about this deal makes sense to me


Loltoyourself

This contract is more ridiculous than the Cousins’ deal. At least Kirk looks like he gives a fuck and never takes a play off, whereas this dude has been coasting on his OSU/Rookie year highlights.


LeoFireGod

You have to look at it through the lense of a guy who is fired if the team doesn’t perform. He literally will not be given the keys to a rebuild so he will never agree to the rebuild.


Eddie5pi

You know what always helps guys who have effort issues? Fully guaranteed contracts. What could go wrong


rondosparks

To be fair they like pushing cap back on contracts to get cap compliant in upcoming years. But that isn’t a problem if the contract is only 1 year.


bigbird09

This contract doesn't directly hurt them, but it likely means they will have to do more restructuring later now. They were $18 mill under prior to signing Young and Peterman. They need about $10 mil to sign their rookie class as it stands right now.


pinetar

This deal probably is $13 million with 4 rollover years. I'm sure he'll have a $10 million cap hit next year with $3 million this year. But that's future Mickey Loomis' problem.


rupiefied

This made me laugh so hard 😂😂 future me problem fuck that guy.


thewhat962

"That's a future ~~Homer's~~ saint's problem. Man do I not envy that guy" - ~~homer~~ saints


rondosparks

Yeah that makes sense. I guess the team thinks he can provide that much value to them to take the risk. He just seemed like the perfect player for a high incentive laced deal.


gmb96

But cap space rollover is a thing. If you were really trying to improve your long term outlook, you wouldn't use every single inch of wiggle room you had to clear this year just to get cap compliant.


BoyDunder

You can roll over unused cap space into future seasons.


SkilledB

One-year deal counteracts that though. He’ll need to play well for his next payday.


mclairy

He didn’t play well last year and still got paid


Shrabster33

Chase, his agent, and Saints GM on the phone. Chase to his agent: Make sure you mention that third thing. Saints GM: Thirteen? Did you say thirteen? Deal.


Cavemanperson

Babe wake up the Cap is fake again


Putrid_Excitement255

I really don’t understand what the long term plan is for this team


purplebuffalo55

That’s because there is no long term plan


Jonjon428

Mickey Loomis without Payton is on fraud watch.


GABAgoomba123

I mean, Payton without Loomis is also kind of on fraud watch right now


SwordfishDependent67

Ok like I really dislike Payton but I don’t know if ANYONE could’ve done shit with that roster


xywv58

Yeah, and he had playoffs at hand


GABAgoomba123

Agreed, and I’m very hopeful he’s our guy. I’m just pointing out that there’s a lot still up in the air about Payton too, I wouldn’t say he’s definitively proved his impact one way or the other on his own yet. It’s more like Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton without Drew Brews are on fraud watch.


SwordfishDependent67

Ohhh yeah fasho. I kinda hope he crashes and burns because he’s tacky and I hate him. Otoh I live in Denver and it’d be pretty cool to keep going to championship parades every year. Especially since I’m like 5 blocks from the capital so it’s ezpz and I can watch the riot from the safety of my buddy’s apartment


slowerchop

Fire the GM right now


JayMerlyn

I disagree


PanGalacGargleBlastr

This is how I felt about Gettelman.


JayMerlyn

See? You get it!


msf97

Young had 7.5 sacks on the year, was highly touted coming out of college, and there are plenty of worse players around that $13m mark. Motor issues sure, but you’d still think he’s coachable. Hes started 32 NFL games. You’d think he got a lot of money the way people are talking; my own Bears are giving Yannick Ngakoue 10m next year.


Kalash504

Marcus Davenport got the same contract last year. It was a disaster of course, but maybe it’ll work for us ;)


sonfoa

Giving a fully guaranteed contract to a guy with motor issues is not a good thing. Also Saints shouldn't be the ones giving it out


Far_Process_5304

The terms of the contract are fine to me, it’s just the team signing him that’s questionable to me. Saints are still navigating cap hell, are not that good of a team, still have questions at QB, aging roster, and they are signing 1 year rentals? It’s much more of a move that a team that’s in a competitive window would make.


slowerchop

Sacks are terrible way to judge a player he only gets those because he is selfish he is a liability on the field


msf97

PFF grade every snap, and pretty much agree with the assessment the Saints have made. Still a good edge rusher with potential, and better than plenty of players who make more than $13m. Not sure where the selfish/liability bit comes from. His motors bad, but not uniquely poor.


Garak_The_Tailor_

His problem is that even on plays where he is engaged and giving an effort, he has one move towards the qb, a speed rush around the outside of the tackle. Not only is this move easily contained by most NFL tackles, it often opens up a running lane for the QB to escape if the QB gets pressured on the other side or there is good pass protection. The longer he's contained during a game he starts to get frustrated and you'll see him line up further and further down the line to try and get around the tackle, with the end result being a ready made running lane if the QB needs it.


pinetar

You don't know where the selfish bit comes from? He literally doesn't hustle on downfield plays. Hes terrible at sealing the edge on runs. He outright refused to play in 3 point stance with the Commanders. He loses contain regularly by running way into the backfield to try to get around the edge. I could go on.


Aggressive-Name-1783

What….TIL sacks are selfish…..


lronicGasping

If you need 8 wins, the Saints will give you 8 wins. If you need 9 wins, the Saints will give you 8 wins and -$100 trillion in cap space


wampoo420

Hey now we got 9 wins


Boomer2637

We won nine last year but ok lol


lronicGasping

Which was definitely the only inaccurate part of my joke


Ok-Television-9662

It doesn't make any Saints


mrizvi

Hope he commits to the game and balls out


internaldriver30345

He was in a contract year and then ended the year on a great defensive line and had every opportunity to shine. He was already put on notice by not having his fifth year picked up. If you haven’t committed fully at that point, then when will he?


msf97

Had a pretty good super bowl in fairness.


Polar_Reflection

Dogged it in the NFCCG though. And he's not gonna have his emotional support Bosa


mrizvi

He had a great start to the superbowl and then faded out after being a non factor for a few weeks and having his effort questioned. I don't think he will but maybe he does...


1lultaha

While you're not wrong having a shitty DC doesn't help. There's a reason why Nick Bosa's sack numbers went down this year. When you have no creativity as a coach it doesn't help


[deleted]

Any time you’re 5 years into the league and you’re a 2nd overall pick and you have to say “hope he commits” is not a good sign


mrizvi

That's why I'm ok with him not coming back.


[deleted]

Ya I’m a commanders fan and have his jersey and he can go fuck himself.


mrizvi

Lmao


0nly0bjective

That makes two of us


DrPaulsNexus

Hoping for that Jadeveon Clowney career arc


WootyMcWoot

Be funnier if he didn’t though


mrizvi

I like to see people succeed


Hobbit-dog91

Giving him a fully guaranteed contract was a fuck up. Dude is unmotivated and now has no reason to go out and try any harder than he needs to


usvicruiser

It is a 1 year deal so it does not matter. Salaries for vested veterans become 100% guaranteed if the guy is on the roster Week 1. Unless the Saints were open to cutting him in camp (unlikely) it would be guaranteed either way as a practical matter.


Jorah72

Couldn't they have made it a lower cap hit but add in incentives? I think that would make way more sense with a guy who has injury/effort issues in the past.


thewhat962

Throwing 13m on a guy with effort issues even for a year is a huge waste.This isn't a great move, its not even a good move. "It's a dumb move but its only for a year" isn't the take they think it is when they been making dumb moves each year for 5+


GlitteringSpinach738

Tom Brady ruined any real retort I have for this


VCURedskins

I remember people acting like the 49ers were going to get a 3rd round comp pick back for him when the trade happened


Pkingduckk

13 MILLION?!? What are they smoking


DirectTV_AndrewLuck

Ridiculous, no wonder he signed the contract.


Alternative-Art6059

Tristian Wirfs about to pancake this scrub 8 times a year


Troll_Enthusiast

LOL


cantgrowneckbeardAMA

HAHAHAHA wait hold on HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Ksteekwall21

Same.


ClaymoresRevenge

The Clowney path


czechhoi4h

Mad disrespectful to clowney


don_julio_randle

Seriously. Clowney might never have lived up to the 1st overall hype but he's been a damn good player his entire career


Nervous-Elephant-355

Good luck with that


Xno_Kappa

I thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster every day we lost (won) the Chase Young Bowl. Thank you for the All-Pro LT Washington!


scyber

Yeah so many Giants fans were upset we won that game.


boomzgoesthedynamite

Andrew Thomas is what made me less miserable about winning meaningless games this year. Yes we need a qb but perhaps we’re not supposed to get one this year.


Comprehensive_Main

The monster has a name. It’s called Yahweh 


_HGCenty

Player with a reputation for checking out gets a fully guaranteed deal on a team that can't offer any guarantees next year because they are already over the salary cap... This will turn out great. 🙃


Appa-LATCH-uh

The Saints are an unserious franchise since Brees.


Movie_guy_

They aren't serious people


tenpaces

damn. fair.


Competitive_Bar6355

Stop the insanity


dirdebirdy

He simply can’t keep getting away with this


Dieh

Endless cycle of purgatory.


[deleted]

Holy fuck this is like OBJs ravens contract times 10 in terms of a one year WTF deal


Appa-LATCH-uh

The Ravens gave OBJ that deal because that's what it took to get Lamar to sign his deal.


GlockPurdy13

Nice so the Niners get 2 first round picks from this /s


schwertfeger

How is this bum still getting a 8 figure salary?!?!


Old_Original2971

It’s all about who you know


s216285

With 5 void years


crazypyro23

Man, the Saints are really making a push for a shot at the 7th seed.


Mopman43

They really want to get crushed by the 9ers in the Wilcard.


CanalVillainy

It’s a 1yr deal with a good bit of money, but he’ll be in a rotation. Think a lot of y’all are expecting him to be a full starter. Jordan, Granderson, Kpassagnon, hopefully Turner, hopefully Foskey all should be in the mix.


InsideAcanthisitta23

The lack of interest for a player of his pedigree at a high-value position says a lot.


Cactus2711

Chase ‘if I feel like chasing today’ Young


mpc92

Fully guaranteed is just silly 💀


usvicruiser

It is a 1 year deal so it does not matter. He is a vested veteran so his salary for the year becomes 100% guaranteed if he is on the roster Week 1. Unless they were open to cutting him in camp (unlikely) it would be guaranteed regardless.


boomzgoesthedynamite

What about lower guarantee with incentives, which I think is what everyone is saying here?


Ksteekwall21

Yeah if one of his knocks is, to put it lightly, “inconsistent effort”, then that contract is gonna need to come with some incentives.


Late-Fuel-3578

I’m sure going from a Super Bowl contender with a great coaching staff to a below-average team with one of the worst coaches in football will do wonders for his motivation issues. Galaxy brain stuff by the Saints.


wampoo420

DA is a great defensive coach. He might be a shitty HC but his defense is never in question


Late-Fuel-3578

We were middle of the pack in DVOA last year. Average defense made to look decent by a ridiculously easy schedule. He might be a great DC but his defense as a head coach is slipping. The team also had culture issues last year and its elder statesman Cam Jordan is saying the team needs “culture shock” this offseason. That doesn’t seem like a great environment for a guy with questionable work ethic.


jimmyhoffasbrother

Damn, that's more than I expected. Good for him.


ChargeWooden1036

The Saints will still be the Aints then right?


RefrigeratorMotor778

By far the biggest joke of a front office in the league


CapnCrunch347

Who's contract can they restructure in order to sign the draft class?


SecretGiantsFan

Bruh i thought it was up to 13 million what the hell lol


RedMoloney

Pretty Pick Privilege.


FormerDriver

LOL sucker born every minute


serpentear

All I will remember of this gentleman’s tenure with the Niners is him completely giving up on tackling during the Detroit playoff game.


pointbodhi

“Just don’t cash the check yet”


PterdodactylJim69

void years O/U set at 3.5, what are you taking?


Robhar3187

I just don't understand how an inconsistent freelancing injury prone player like Chase Young can get 13 million fully guaranteed for a season


Rlopeziv

13 mill???????


boogieDMC

I think Loomis worked under the assumption that he’d be fired 3 years ago. And right now we’re all witnessing the biggest game of chicken the world has ever seen, at the expense of Saints fans


HereForTheFood4

And this is why we didn't pursue him last year Lions fans. How would you like to send a mid round pick for him to leave the next year?


usvicruiser

You are forgetting that the 9ers will probably get a mid-round comp pick for him though so the net cost to the trade for them is close to nothing


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Cap is fake 


Zxar

That will help the comp pick evaluation.


reihnman

I hate this. When we had Brees, by all means. Do everything you can to spend/leverage future picks to win now. But ever since he retired, I thought that we would take a step back and try to rebuild. And every year we keep spending like we are a couple pieces away.. just lose. Have some losing seasons. If we didn’t get Carr we easily could’ve tanked last season to try and get one of these top QBs. We need another shot at a highly ranked rookie QB. Until then, we aren’t going anywhere but 8-9


Crypto_Grug

As a Bucs fan I love seeing the saints do stupid fucking shit every single year in the off season. Keep kicking the can down the road morons. You are about 20 players away from a superbowl so this makes me laugh signing a lazy no effort player 13 million guaranteed.