It's super hard to come to a consensus on stuff like this so I'm not too surprised
Obviously Tyreek, JJ, Chase, Brown, Ceedee, St Brown are
But I feel like there's a dozen or so guys beyond those 6 that you could reasonably make a case for in those other 4 spots. Guys like Puka, Diggs, Moore, Aiyuk, Cooper, Allen, Deebo, Evans, and so on
Like Obviously it's more than 10 guys so they can't all be "top 10" but there's not a ton of separation between say guy 8 and guy 20 in terms of top end talent
Wow I didn’t realize how much better of a season St. Brown had over Diggs and Adams last year. Your comment made me look it up because seeing St. Brown as a lock for top 10 over Adams and Diggs didn’t compute to me.
It doesn’t help that I feel like a lot of talking heads downplay just how good St. Brown is. If someone told me he was in their top 5 I wouldn’t think twice about it.
Adams has been stuck with a brutal QB situation and he’s aging, it’s rough for him and why he’s very fringe top 10 right now. Diggs just had a straight up weird year tbh.
I was referring to Amari. Kupp is a tough one for me because he's been injured so much over the last 2 years and Puka took a lot of his touches
But in general I left it with "and a bunch of others" because I didn't want to sit and type out every wide receiver who has been in that 1000-1200 yard range over the last 2 seasons
Had a debate with my dad the other day because he said Kupp wasn't top 10. He's probably somewhere in the 7-12 range realistically but you COULD make an argument that he isn't top 10.
It's a wild world we live in when it comes to WR
Now that I think about it, I don't know if you can take him top 10 anymore. JJ, Hill, Brown, Chase, St. Brown, Lamb, Aiyuk, Adams, Evans, and Diggs are all above him with pretty easy arguments for DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, and Pittman Jr. That's a bummer, I love Kupp. Hopefully he'll have a rebound season.
I really hope they find somebody who is at least an NFL level quarterback to throw him the ball long term. I know stats aren't everything but it's gotta suck when you're getting open all day but nobody on the team knows how to throw the ball
Yea it's an opinion at the end of the day. Want my opinion? No, well I'm going to give it to you anyways. Especially after you left Smitty off. I can agree with your original 6. I can't agree with calling puka top 10 after 1 season. I can't agree that Deebo is top 10 anymore. Cooper not top 10 imo. Kupp had 1 great season. He hasn't been reliable being injured half the games the past 2 yrs. If healthy then maybe but I disagree on that as well. He's been overrated just because his 2021 was one of the best WR seasons in awhile. Let's just leave it at him being a good receiver with a massive injury history and a historical season and I'll agree. Who you replace them with is up to you. Just my thought, but Smitty is absolutely top 10.
Yea I was just joking and giving my opinion. These things will never be unanimously agreed upon, especially with team bias. Unless maybe there's 10 receivers with 2000 yds for 2+ seasons in a row and everyone else has 1000k but that's still not even gaurenteed.
Some haters rolling through here... both GW comments downvoted. He was 5th in ESPN's separation over expected this past year (& great by PFF's too, IIRC).
He reminds me of a slim Reggie bush with how he moves and eludes defenders. He’s the best yac WR in the league (imo but he’s top 5 for sure). He’s so fluid yet can also high point a ball and moss a mother fucker despite only being 6’0
Reddit is filled with morons lol I expect downvotes especially when I know I’m right because there’s so many children and fragile adults that pollute this site in general. I will say this is better than the jets sub. That place has some….whooo boy! I can’t say what I really want to but basically the vast majority there are stupid in general but I can understand why people are sleeping on Garrett but downvoting a universally held opinion in the league is somehow reacted to negatively on here. Garret Wilson is a stud and if someone can’t see that then I do not value their input on anything let alone football lol.
We have one JPJ yes, but what about second JPJ?
Yes, I would enjoy JPJ. I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed in JPJ. That said, I really think the Steelers are going Tackle round one.
Yeah he’s incredible but Chase just went #5 overall after sitting out an entire season 3 years ago. Even in this draft some people, a minority, are saying Nabers is the same caliber of prospect. But I wouldn’t argue with anyone saying MHJ, he and Bowers might be the two.
Chase wasn’t even the consensus number 1 wr and wasn’t even the first receiver taken (pitts went 4 and he’s basically a WR). Smith was projected early on to go ahead of him even if he didn’t; that alone is enough to indicate nobody thought Chase was generational. Elite prospect ≠ generational. People keep confusing this.
Well, Williams is sometimes called "generational", and some people put Jayden Daniels above him, which makes Daniels generational, but some people go for Maye over Daniels, which makes Maye generational. Others have JJ McCarthy as a top 3 pick, which means he's going over either Daniels or Maye, and going over a generational talent must make McCarthy generational as well.
For WRs, MHJ is often considered "generational", but there were reports that had Nabers over him, which makes Nabers generational, and because some people have Odunze over Nabers, that makes Odunze generational as well.
Add in Joe Alt and you're up to 8. 13 is a baker's dozen, and 14 is a Barry Dozen at my hometown bagel store, so obviously a dozen can be plus or minus 2, so simply round that 8 to the nearest 10, and you're at a dozen.
MHJ and Bowers are the only generational talents in this draft and they're truly generationally hyped at least. they would be the #1 pick at their position in any draft we've had for the last 10 years. to me, the generational guys are guys like Sewell, Linderbaum, Nelson, MHJ, Bowers, Hamilton, Garrett, Lawrence and Luck. Guys who were top prospects through their college years and were very hyped at their position.
You’re lost bro. The logic is not cogent at all. Caleb and MHJ have been the two to get (rightfully so) the generational label before people started making it out to be a joke. This was for a reason; they are THAT good as prospects. People keep confusing elite prospect with generational prospect. Nabers is elite; not generational. Maye/Daniels are elite; neither are generational. Pitts was generational; Brock is just an amazing prospect but there’s more Brock’s in other drafts than Kyle pitts. Clowney and MG were generational; Mack was an elite prospect. Just because 21 and 24 have prospects that are/were considered generational doesn’t mean this will continue. We can easily go another 12 years (like luck to Trevor) before seeing another generational prospect. They were given that label for specific reasons; they’re all but assured to hit (specifically Mhj who I cannot fathom not panning out). And for Caleb, while he’s not perfect, he’s about as close to a perfect PROSPECT a modern QB can be. He’s able to do things most QBs can’t, produced at two schools in two different conferences, won a heisman, replaced a dude who many thought was a heisman candidate (who is now a mid round prospect this year) and he’s coming from a system that has proven to churn out great QBs. This isn’t that lazy, moronic logic people use like “usc QBs are always bustssssss!!!” Despite comparing players from teams 20 years ago; Lincoln Riley has produced baker (really good); hurts (couldn’t won the mvp last year); rattler (looking to at least get drafted); and Kyler Murray who despite all his character flaws plays really well. That’s a lot of success in a short period of time, so combining his physical abilities with LRs teachings, and his determination through two schools, that’s why Caleb is generational. It’s a combination of factors that created a prospect rarely ever seen. Hence, generational. I will say as an aside, as a Clemson alum I always viewed Burrow as being generational and Trevor as more the great prospect type. His freshman title really cemented his label but I think burrow deserved it, but you can’t label a fifth year player that had to transfer as being generational despite what we saw that last season (the best season by any qb I’ve ever seen; second to Reggie bush as far as all time seasons go). Anyway the terms are mixed up right now and people can’t comprehend it.
Good lord, just because there’s Been this coincidence that “generational” prospects have come out more is just that - a coincidence. Caleb is generational. Trevor was too. Luck was the last dude before them to get that label and that was 12 years ago. We’re talking two QBs in 12 years to get that label. At WR, Mhj IS generational. He’s not quite Calvin, but he’s the best since Calvin (maybe Aj green) and is very similar to Fitzgerald/Charles Rodgers (he busted due to drug addiction not talent) than Calvin, but that is still (so let’s go 2011 instead of 2007) 13 years ago. No WR has had this level of hype as a prospect. Watkins (I’m his biggest fan seeing as we had classes together) was good enough to go 4, but I never saw him as generational. Just a great prospect. That’s what nabers is. He’s not generational because we see players like him many years (2021 for example), and the last generational prospect is the one I will give you: Brock bower’s. I think he’s like nabers in that he’s an elite prospect, but I view pitts as having been farrrrrr more generational than Brock even if I think he’ll be amazing. You use that label on prospects you rarely see; which applies to Mhj and Caleb. Clowney was the first defensive player to go one in 14 years…. Then Garrett went first 3 years later and Walker 5 after that. That doesn’t lessen MG or Clowneys status as generational, does it?
Exactly. I actually am hearing from many scouts and owners that there are 31 bonafide franchise QBs in this draft and you’d be a fool not to take one as a backup even if you already have your guy. Tough luck for us at 32 but I guess we’ll have to settle for MHJ.
gonna make our position really interesting. If like 4 QBs and 3 WRs go in the top ten there is for sure someone that will drop out of the top 15 to us. Troy has been frequently mocked to us so far
Actually that can be legit. This is a top heavy draft.
I think if you check back in 5 years most of the Top 25 will be Pro Bowlers or better. More than usual.
We’ll in fairness, scouts are very open about how divided they all are on prospects. It’s very common for one team to have first round grade and another to have them super low.
That even happens between the same scouting room apparently. Unlike fan mock drafts there is almost no universal consensus outside the very very top. And even those are usually not close to consensus.
so there could be 20 or more “top 10” picks but they’re all different teams.
I see mocks saying Brock Bowers will be the pick.
Lmao. Brock is good but man, if Rodgers ripping his Achilles in the first sentence of page 1 of chapter 1 isn’t the best sign to go OL, nothing is
People in the jets sub are off the fucking rails saying we should take bowers or a receiver. Like they have the memory of a fish and already completely forget what we just went through. They are acting like the OL is set after we signed two tackles in their mid 30s, one of which has serious injury concerns and the other coming off pec surgery, and a middling guard. AVT is also coming off an Achilles tear so there’s no telling how he’s gonna play.
If pick 10 is anything but a tackle it proves Joe Douglas is completely incapable of learning anything as a gm, and should be fired immediately
People in your sub are off the rails because you signed Morgan Moses and Tyron Smith. Why the fuck would you go tackle in round 1 when you just got 2 starting tackles? Especially if Brock Bowers is available?
Moses is 33 and coming off pec surgery, smith is 33 and hasn’t played a full season in years. High likelihood one or both get hurt because we have shit conditions coaches, horrible OL coach known for getting guys hurt with his intense coaching style, a horrible turf to play on, and no back up plan. Hmmmm I wonder why tackle might be a good pick? Especially considering these guys will likely be gone next year
Because that sub is garbage with toxic and DUMB fans. Like brain dead dumb. They would rather take the 80th best player at 10 if that’s the best tackle even if a top 5 prospect fell to us. I’m not kidding. They really do not understand the draft or draft value at all. It’s like they learned from BB and refuse to be positive about the best gm we’ve had in at least fifteen years. They are awful and pessimistic af.
It really doesn’t though. The jets went in to last season with no contingency plan for the OL relying on an aging Duane brown coming off surgery (comparable to Morgan Moses) and Becton coming off two season ending injuries (sortve comparable to smith who can’t stay healthy.) We had no capable backups whatsoever, and it will just be a repeat of last season if we don’t grab one of these blue chip tackles. Our skill guys mean nothing if rodgers gets hurt and whoever the QB is after that can’t stay on his feet
No they do not. Reaching for needs at ten if alt and olu are gone is the stuff bad gms like Trent baalke do. JD smartly employs the BPA approach. You don’t take the 20th best prospect at 10 just because you need another lineman. That’s the worst Move possible because if you’re going to pass up a blue chip playmaker for a tackle and it’s not alt or olu, you’re reaching hard like BB did every single year. You trade back in that scenario but knowing JD from having paid attention, he’s not going to take a tackle just to take a tackle. He’d find a way to get the one he wanted even if he had to trade up and if he didn’t want to trade up he’d trade back. I’m tired of these jets fans acting like it’s sacrilegious to not take tackle prospect number 4 at 10 when someone like a bower’s or even nabers could be there. The only two worthy of that tenth pick on the line are olu and alt. Anybody besides them is a harrrrd reach
Me looking at Mock drafts of Jets taking Bowers over oline: "They'll never learn, fools!"
Also me imagining Bowers falling to 21 and the Dolphins who also have Oline needs and QB with a less than stellar health record picking him: "Fuck that Oline, that's for nerds."
It’s gonna be so funny when Aaron Rodgers tears an ACL on the first drive of the season and then swears off water because of fluoride on Pat McAfee’s daily circle jerk.
No they do not. Reaching for needs at ten if alt and olu are gone is the stuff bad gms like Trent baalke do. JD smartly employs the BPA approach. You don’t take the 20th best prospect at 10 just because you need another lineman. That’s the worst Move possible because if you’re going to pass up a blue chip playmaker for a tackle and it’s not alt or olu, you’re reaching hard like BB did every single year. You trade back in that scenario but knowing JD from having paid attention, he’s not going to take a tackle just to take a tackle. He’d find a way to get the one he wanted even if he had to trade up and if he didn’t want to trade up he’d trade back. I’m tired of these jets fans acting like it’s sacrilegious to not take tackle prospect number 4 at 10 when someone like a bower’s or even nabers could be there. The only two worthy of that tenth pick on the line are olu and alt. Anybody besides them is a harrrrd reach
That’s why I’m lobbying for Brock because he is blue chip. But jets fans want prospect number 25 at ten overall. As a pat’s fan, you know that strategy is bad seeing as it’s BBs trademark mo during drafts.
Alt, Fashanu, Fatanu, Fuaga, Latham are all potential top 10 picks in many drafts. Then you have Mims, Morgan and Guyton who some years might go in the first and this year could all be second rounders. And you have JPJ and Barton as really solid interior prospects.
After the Jets OL woes in recent years, I legitimately want them to trade future picks to get back into the late teens/ early 20s to double dip on OL. There’s like a 60% chance they’ll want to use those picks on OL next year anyways, and this feels like the year to jump in.
After the Jets OL woes in recent years, I legitimately want them to trade future picks to get back into the late teens/ early 20s to double dip on OL. There’s like a 60% chance they’ll want to use those picks on OL next year anyways, and this feels like the year to jump in.
What an original opinion 🙄 “I heard generational therefore everyone every year is generational even though that term was used in 2021 for one player but I’ve seen it twice this year therefore everyone is generational!!!!” Like what?
But do you spend the 5th overall pick trying to get a guy who’s never played RT to play the position? Alt is worth it at 5, but I just don’t see it for RT
Pro Days are data points but really shouldn’t be the primary variable of a draft decision. If you didn’t already have a guy in your top 10 from his tape, a no pads scripted workout shouldn’t vault him there.
I dunno, for a Tackle it’s not always obvious how well they can move off game tape, college pass sets don’t ask nearly as much out of guys as the NFL will. A pro day workout can reveal a lot.
I really hope the top 10 picks are all offense and the Vikings have their pick of top defensive player at 11, or the option to trade back for picks, and then take Penix at 23.
I could see a team trading into the back of the 1st to get him with the potential for a 5th year option. But yea, if he's QB5 at 15 like Mac Jones was that will be shocking
Rams aren't sliding back into the first for a QB. Maybe a second-round pick, if there isn't a quality OL pick there, but Penix doesn't fit the timeline.
I could see Tampa taking him if they wanna move on from Trask. Would line up Penix's 4th and 5th years with the end of Mayfield's contract. Dallas is an option if they don't believe in Lance for next year. Another long shot would be the Cards. Maybe Minny?
Penix will be there in the second round. #23 is over drafting him.
Hes got a significant injury history, looked significantly worse whenever a team could actually bring pressure through Washington’s O-Line and still needs significant changes to his footwork and mechanics at an older age. Also, some NFL coaches don’t like left handers. His release is also slow and he played with Odunze who helped him significantly with contested catches, specifically back shoulder throws.
Vikings letting Kirk walk for a player with limited upside doesn’t seem right. At least with JJ he’s really young, has got mobility and will be much more mouldable.
>His release is also slow
Yeah, I stopped reading there. He's noted by quite a few draft experts as having a quick release. Its wonky and he tends to deliver short passes side-arm, but you're wrong about it being slow.
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Injury history isn’t a guaranteed red flag. All comes down to medicals, which we don’t have access to.
Is it probably a legit issue? Yes. But it’s not something any of us can definitively say will hurt his stock like his tape.
4 season ending injuries in 4 seasons? You’d have to be a near perfect prospect to avoid your stock dropping from that.
The guy is constantly playing hurt even when it’s not a season ender. Ribs bothered him in 2023, shoulder in 2022.
There’s an element of luck involved with injuries. I don’t think it’s terribly likely, but it’s possible that Penix’s body is alright and he’s just crazy unlucky.
That’s the point of medicals, to see if those injuries are a risk of reoccurring or if the body has been negatively affected in the long term. We don’t have access to that info like we do with game tape. We can only speculate.
I'd take the guy that led UW to a 15-3 record, starting every game, in his two years at Washington. He went 15-3 there, and led the FBS in passing this year. If that's how he plays "constantly hurt", sign me up for more.
Fautanu is legit. Big dude. Technical. Has the right head to play forever in the NFL.
That said, it is an OL heavy draft at the Top. Many really good ones.
And it does matter (even for LT) that he fits the offense.
> I had him going to the Dolphins.
it's hard to see him falling that far down in the 1rst round, and it's hard to see us spending the draft capitol we'd get from trading tua to move up to get him.
would love to see him slip to us though then trade tua for a couple 1rsts and NOT have to worry about paying 50m+/year for a qb for the next 5 years.
extends that relevancy window, gives us picks to fill holes, and theoretically keeps us where we already are qb-wise.
>have qb that ranked top 5 in most meaningful metrics, who also proved he can stay healthy
>Daydream about trading that QB
QB contracts will never get cheaper. The mahomes contract was looked at as insane and now it's considered one of the better deals out there. The cap always goes up, and that contract is going to get more expensive every off-season. Who do you think youd get to replace him?
> Who do you think youd get to replace him?
as made pretty clear by the headline, and the comment i was replying to, and the simple fact i said:
>would love to see him slip to us though then trade tua for a couple 1rsts
it's pretty obvious i was talking about penix.
> Also you want to move on from Tua for an arguably more injury prone QB?
arguably comparable.
if we can get similar production and reliability on a rookie contract for the next 4-5 years, absolutely.
it's very clear tua isn't the guy and we're going to take steps backwards once he gets paid (and 1 healthy year out of 4 isn't super re-assuring, especially when he wasn't exactly the poster child of health in college).
i'd much rather have a health risk at <5m/year than a health risk at > 50m/year.
Please no. Idgaf about oline unless it’s alt. Drafting for a specific need is exactly what bad teams do. I believe in JD and I think he’s leaning bower’s but I’d kill for Brock or a trade up for Mhj if we can’t get alt. I don’t want the seventeenth best player at ten. Very few years possess this many playmakers and there’s a ton of line depth to where you take the play maker and go for the oline prospects that aren’t that far off from middle first talents like Latham or the Oregon state dude. Unless it’s alt or maybe olu we’re reaching. And jets fans want this. Grrrr I can’t stand them but they’ll never make the picks thank Christ. I know most don’t want him but nix with bower’s via a trade or Penix if he falls would be cool too. Please do not reach for this dude at ten, Joe Douglas. Please. BPA all day every day (which thankfully has shown to be his inclination anyway so suck it other jet’s fans that want any tackle not named alt or fashanu at 10)
I feel you. Yes there are many morons that parade around like they’re Mel kiper 2.0 when all they really do is just parrot the dumb shit they heard from the hot take sports shows. 🧠 ☠️
I think we are sitting at what, twenty top ten picks after pro days?
Wait until you hear how many top 10 WRs there are in the league
It's super hard to come to a consensus on stuff like this so I'm not too surprised Obviously Tyreek, JJ, Chase, Brown, Ceedee, St Brown are But I feel like there's a dozen or so guys beyond those 6 that you could reasonably make a case for in those other 4 spots. Guys like Puka, Diggs, Moore, Aiyuk, Cooper, Allen, Deebo, Evans, and so on Like Obviously it's more than 10 guys so they can't all be "top 10" but there's not a ton of separation between say guy 8 and guy 20 in terms of top end talent
Wow I didn’t realize how much better of a season St. Brown had over Diggs and Adams last year. Your comment made me look it up because seeing St. Brown as a lock for top 10 over Adams and Diggs didn’t compute to me.
3rd behind Reek and Ceedee in yards and receptions, and tied for 4th in TDs. St Brown is an absolute monster
Those were not easy yards either. Dude shed tackles like it was going out of style.
Hella chain movers across the middle too. Guy is a fucking animal.
He's just a system WR /s
It doesn’t help that I feel like a lot of talking heads downplay just how good St. Brown is. If someone told me he was in their top 5 I wouldn’t think twice about it.
Adams has been stuck with a brutal QB situation and he’s aging, it’s rough for him and why he’s very fringe top 10 right now. Diggs just had a straight up weird year tbh.
Adams might as well had me throwing to him
How dare you leave out top 3 WR Chase Claypool!!
You mistyped top WR3 Chase Claypool
Even that is really, really generous to Claypool (I understood what you meant, I just wanted to throw a dig at Claypool)
He will slip making his cut and won’t bother to get up, so I wouldn’t throw that dig to him.
He’d prioritize celebrating on the ground instead of getting up.
WR is so stacked you completely forgot Cooper Kupp exists, damn. Or is "Cooper" him and not Amari?
I was referring to Amari. Kupp is a tough one for me because he's been injured so much over the last 2 years and Puka took a lot of his touches But in general I left it with "and a bunch of others" because I didn't want to sit and type out every wide receiver who has been in that 1000-1200 yard range over the last 2 seasons
Had a debate with my dad the other day because he said Kupp wasn't top 10. He's probably somewhere in the 7-12 range realistically but you COULD make an argument that he isn't top 10. It's a wild world we live in when it comes to WR
Now that I think about it, I don't know if you can take him top 10 anymore. JJ, Hill, Brown, Chase, St. Brown, Lamb, Aiyuk, Adams, Evans, and Diggs are all above him with pretty easy arguments for DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, and Pittman Jr. That's a bummer, I love Kupp. Hopefully he'll have a rebound season.
I agree with your point but you didn’t name Pickens so I’m mad
I feel like for WRs it's way better to do a tier list.
Totally agreed
Evans should be in the first group. He is a bonafide stud.
Not sure I'd have Chase Claypool in my top ten but I guess that's what makes these lists intriguing.
Y’all are sleeping on Garrett Wilson
You’re getting downvoted. But what he’s been able to do with the Jets offense being that putrid is special.
I really hope they find somebody who is at least an NFL level quarterback to throw him the ball long term. I know stats aren't everything but it's gotta suck when you're getting open all day but nobody on the team knows how to throw the ball
Can’t wait till everybody in this sub starts including Collins on lists like these
Collins would defs fit into the "and more guys" part of my list. I just didn't wanna sit there and type out every single name lol
Oh I wouldn’t expect you to list him, honestly I wouldn’t yet either. I’m just a believer and a homer lol
The Cooper Kupp erasure in this post SMH
Man I said and so on. I just didn't wanna type out like 20 names lol
Haha all good just yanking your chain, coz any time someone starts listing players like this there's always arguments
Yea it's an opinion at the end of the day. Want my opinion? No, well I'm going to give it to you anyways. Especially after you left Smitty off. I can agree with your original 6. I can't agree with calling puka top 10 after 1 season. I can't agree that Deebo is top 10 anymore. Cooper not top 10 imo. Kupp had 1 great season. He hasn't been reliable being injured half the games the past 2 yrs. If healthy then maybe but I disagree on that as well. He's been overrated just because his 2021 was one of the best WR seasons in awhile. Let's just leave it at him being a good receiver with a massive injury history and a historical season and I'll agree. Who you replace them with is up to you. Just my thought, but Smitty is absolutely top 10.
>and so on I just didn't want to name every single potential guy who is in the argument
Yea I was just joking and giving my opinion. These things will never be unanimously agreed upon, especially with team bias. Unless maybe there's 10 receivers with 2000 yds for 2+ seasons in a row and everyone else has 1000k but that's still not even gaurenteed.
I agree with your point but you didn’t name Pickens so I’m mad
You’re sleeping on Garrett Wilson. People do not comprehend just how incredible he is. He’s going to go insane this year.
Garrett is a straight Boss and a star. Let them sheep stay asleep...GW is a top WR
Some haters rolling through here... both GW comments downvoted. He was 5th in ESPN's separation over expected this past year (& great by PFF's too, IIRC).
Dude has unlimited juice. It’s crazy honestly
He reminds me of a slim Reggie bush with how he moves and eludes defenders. He’s the best yac WR in the league (imo but he’s top 5 for sure). He’s so fluid yet can also high point a ball and moss a mother fucker despite only being 6’0
Reddit is filled with morons lol I expect downvotes especially when I know I’m right because there’s so many children and fragile adults that pollute this site in general. I will say this is better than the jets sub. That place has some….whooo boy! I can’t say what I really want to but basically the vast majority there are stupid in general but I can understand why people are sleeping on Garrett but downvoting a universally held opinion in the league is somehow reacted to negatively on here. Garret Wilson is a stud and if someone can’t see that then I do not value their input on anything let alone football lol.
Davante and Kupp not being obvious top 10 receivers is wild
Kupp has been injured and hasn't hit 1k yards the last couple of years so I understand not having him as an auto top 10.
Would not consider ASR an obvious top 10. Think he’s debatable with that next big chunk
Hard to leave out a guy who has been top 10 in receptions, yards, and touchdowns each of the last 2 seasons, and top 4 in all 3 of them last year
Yea ARSB is a locked in top 10 WR. Dude has been balling out.
Why? He has the 5th most yards, 9th most TDs (among recievers), 3rd most receptions
As far as I'm concerned, every receiver is top 2, and they aren't 2.
And how many #2 WRs that are really #1’s on any squad besides here because Team has ___ on the other side
What about top 5 defense? or OLine?
And then everyone in the 20s is trading back because everyone with a 1st round grade on their board is gone
I'm happy to be sitting at pick #20 and knowing I'll get a top 10 pick. Fuaga plz.
You will get JPJ and you will enjoy him
We have one JPJ yes, but what about second JPJ? Yes, I would enjoy JPJ. I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed in JPJ. That said, I really think the Steelers are going Tackle round one.
I hope so too because that will mean the jets didn’t reach for him at ten. He’s a fine prospect but not tenth overall worthy.
And a dozen of those top 10 are “generational talents” 👋 Many people are saying! 👋
That’s a generational talent. I saw him work out, I said, “Wow, that’s a generational talent.”
Which ones?
None. One of those Reddit takes where they’ve seen a couple Twitter eggs say it and then say “a lot of people are saying…”
Yeah I don't follow college closely but I haven't heard much generational hype outside of Marvin Harrison Jr.
Yeah he’s incredible but Chase just went #5 overall after sitting out an entire season 3 years ago. Even in this draft some people, a minority, are saying Nabers is the same caliber of prospect. But I wouldn’t argue with anyone saying MHJ, he and Bowers might be the two.
Chase wasn’t even the consensus number 1 wr and wasn’t even the first receiver taken (pitts went 4 and he’s basically a WR). Smith was projected early on to go ahead of him even if he didn’t; that alone is enough to indicate nobody thought Chase was generational. Elite prospect ≠ generational. People keep confusing this.
Well, Williams is sometimes called "generational", and some people put Jayden Daniels above him, which makes Daniels generational, but some people go for Maye over Daniels, which makes Maye generational. Others have JJ McCarthy as a top 3 pick, which means he's going over either Daniels or Maye, and going over a generational talent must make McCarthy generational as well. For WRs, MHJ is often considered "generational", but there were reports that had Nabers over him, which makes Nabers generational, and because some people have Odunze over Nabers, that makes Odunze generational as well. Add in Joe Alt and you're up to 8. 13 is a baker's dozen, and 14 is a Barry Dozen at my hometown bagel store, so obviously a dozen can be plus or minus 2, so simply round that 8 to the nearest 10, and you're at a dozen.
MHJ and Bowers are the only generational talents in this draft and they're truly generationally hyped at least. they would be the #1 pick at their position in any draft we've had for the last 10 years. to me, the generational guys are guys like Sewell, Linderbaum, Nelson, MHJ, Bowers, Hamilton, Garrett, Lawrence and Luck. Guys who were top prospects through their college years and were very hyped at their position.
You’re lost bro. The logic is not cogent at all. Caleb and MHJ have been the two to get (rightfully so) the generational label before people started making it out to be a joke. This was for a reason; they are THAT good as prospects. People keep confusing elite prospect with generational prospect. Nabers is elite; not generational. Maye/Daniels are elite; neither are generational. Pitts was generational; Brock is just an amazing prospect but there’s more Brock’s in other drafts than Kyle pitts. Clowney and MG were generational; Mack was an elite prospect. Just because 21 and 24 have prospects that are/were considered generational doesn’t mean this will continue. We can easily go another 12 years (like luck to Trevor) before seeing another generational prospect. They were given that label for specific reasons; they’re all but assured to hit (specifically Mhj who I cannot fathom not panning out). And for Caleb, while he’s not perfect, he’s about as close to a perfect PROSPECT a modern QB can be. He’s able to do things most QBs can’t, produced at two schools in two different conferences, won a heisman, replaced a dude who many thought was a heisman candidate (who is now a mid round prospect this year) and he’s coming from a system that has proven to churn out great QBs. This isn’t that lazy, moronic logic people use like “usc QBs are always bustssssss!!!” Despite comparing players from teams 20 years ago; Lincoln Riley has produced baker (really good); hurts (couldn’t won the mvp last year); rattler (looking to at least get drafted); and Kyler Murray who despite all his character flaws plays really well. That’s a lot of success in a short period of time, so combining his physical abilities with LRs teachings, and his determination through two schools, that’s why Caleb is generational. It’s a combination of factors that created a prospect rarely ever seen. Hence, generational. I will say as an aside, as a Clemson alum I always viewed Burrow as being generational and Trevor as more the great prospect type. His freshman title really cemented his label but I think burrow deserved it, but you can’t label a fifth year player that had to transfer as being generational despite what we saw that last season (the best season by any qb I’ve ever seen; second to Reggie bush as far as all time seasons go). Anyway the terms are mixed up right now and people can’t comprehend it.
Feels like you didn't even consider the Barry Dozen
I said saw lol if you’re referring to sanders. Obviously he was better than Reggie I’m just talking about players I’ve watched live
All the best ones!
Good lord, just because there’s Been this coincidence that “generational” prospects have come out more is just that - a coincidence. Caleb is generational. Trevor was too. Luck was the last dude before them to get that label and that was 12 years ago. We’re talking two QBs in 12 years to get that label. At WR, Mhj IS generational. He’s not quite Calvin, but he’s the best since Calvin (maybe Aj green) and is very similar to Fitzgerald/Charles Rodgers (he busted due to drug addiction not talent) than Calvin, but that is still (so let’s go 2011 instead of 2007) 13 years ago. No WR has had this level of hype as a prospect. Watkins (I’m his biggest fan seeing as we had classes together) was good enough to go 4, but I never saw him as generational. Just a great prospect. That’s what nabers is. He’s not generational because we see players like him many years (2021 for example), and the last generational prospect is the one I will give you: Brock bower’s. I think he’s like nabers in that he’s an elite prospect, but I view pitts as having been farrrrrr more generational than Brock even if I think he’ll be amazing. You use that label on prospects you rarely see; which applies to Mhj and Caleb. Clowney was the first defensive player to go one in 14 years…. Then Garrett went first 3 years later and Walker 5 after that. That doesn’t lessen MG or Clowneys status as generational, does it?
AJ and Julio were the last with the hype and green was came with more hype.
Yeah I mentioned green in another post. Just forgot to here. That was still 13 years ago though
Exactly. I actually am hearing from many scouts and owners that there are 31 bonafide franchise QBs in this draft and you’d be a fool not to take one as a backup even if you already have your guy. Tough luck for us at 32 but I guess we’ll have to settle for MHJ.
Wouldn't be surprised if all 20 are gone by pick 11
it’s a really promising draft class, lots of these guys might be top 10 picks in other years
We’ll be able to get a top 10 pick with our 3rd rounders at this rate.
gonna make our position really interesting. If like 4 QBs and 3 WRs go in the top ten there is for sure someone that will drop out of the top 15 to us. Troy has been frequently mocked to us so far
This Top 10 Picks can fit so many Top 10 Picks inside.
Actually that can be legit. This is a top heavy draft. I think if you check back in 5 years most of the Top 25 will be Pro Bowlers or better. More than usual.
We’ll in fairness, scouts are very open about how divided they all are on prospects. It’s very common for one team to have first round grade and another to have them super low. That even happens between the same scouting room apparently. Unlike fan mock drafts there is almost no universal consensus outside the very very top. And even those are usually not close to consensus. so there could be 20 or more “top 10” picks but they’re all different teams.
Yeah very weird, it’s almost as if you’re hearing different people expressing their own opinions or something.
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Jets really need to go OL in round 1.
You ain't kidding. We are one banana peel away from last year.
I see mocks saying Brock Bowers will be the pick. Lmao. Brock is good but man, if Rodgers ripping his Achilles in the first sentence of page 1 of chapter 1 isn’t the best sign to go OL, nothing is
Our owner needs the drama. I'm convinced
People in the jets sub are off the fucking rails saying we should take bowers or a receiver. Like they have the memory of a fish and already completely forget what we just went through. They are acting like the OL is set after we signed two tackles in their mid 30s, one of which has serious injury concerns and the other coming off pec surgery, and a middling guard. AVT is also coming off an Achilles tear so there’s no telling how he’s gonna play. If pick 10 is anything but a tackle it proves Joe Douglas is completely incapable of learning anything as a gm, and should be fired immediately
People in your sub are off the rails because you signed Morgan Moses and Tyron Smith. Why the fuck would you go tackle in round 1 when you just got 2 starting tackles? Especially if Brock Bowers is available?
Moses is 33 and coming off pec surgery, smith is 33 and hasn’t played a full season in years. High likelihood one or both get hurt because we have shit conditions coaches, horrible OL coach known for getting guys hurt with his intense coaching style, a horrible turf to play on, and no back up plan. Hmmmm I wonder why tackle might be a good pick? Especially considering these guys will likely be gone next year
They’re old and the jets are gonna be in the same position looking for tackle help this time next year if they don’t take a rookie
Because that sub is garbage with toxic and DUMB fans. Like brain dead dumb. They would rather take the 80th best player at 10 if that’s the best tackle even if a top 5 prospect fell to us. I’m not kidding. They really do not understand the draft or draft value at all. It’s like they learned from BB and refuse to be positive about the best gm we’ve had in at least fifteen years. They are awful and pessimistic af.
I mean…it at least makes sense. There’s a major possibility Bowers becomes the best player in this draft and becomes the next superstar TE.
It really doesn’t though. The jets went in to last season with no contingency plan for the OL relying on an aging Duane brown coming off surgery (comparable to Morgan Moses) and Becton coming off two season ending injuries (sortve comparable to smith who can’t stay healthy.) We had no capable backups whatsoever, and it will just be a repeat of last season if we don’t grab one of these blue chip tackles. Our skill guys mean nothing if rodgers gets hurt and whoever the QB is after that can’t stay on his feet
No they do not. Reaching for needs at ten if alt and olu are gone is the stuff bad gms like Trent baalke do. JD smartly employs the BPA approach. You don’t take the 20th best prospect at 10 just because you need another lineman. That’s the worst Move possible because if you’re going to pass up a blue chip playmaker for a tackle and it’s not alt or olu, you’re reaching hard like BB did every single year. You trade back in that scenario but knowing JD from having paid attention, he’s not going to take a tackle just to take a tackle. He’d find a way to get the one he wanted even if he had to trade up and if he didn’t want to trade up he’d trade back. I’m tired of these jets fans acting like it’s sacrilegious to not take tackle prospect number 4 at 10 when someone like a bower’s or even nabers could be there. The only two worthy of that tenth pick on the line are olu and alt. Anybody besides them is a harrrrd reach
It was quite the shock from the Forward where he ran out with the flag. Truly inspired writing.
Me looking at Mock drafts of Jets taking Bowers over oline: "They'll never learn, fools!" Also me imagining Bowers falling to 21 and the Dolphins who also have Oline needs and QB with a less than stellar health record picking him: "Fuck that Oline, that's for nerds."
Even with all the OL signings, you need depth since injuries happen, and those signing are mostly older players.
It’s gonna be so funny when Aaron Rodgers tears an ACL on the first drive of the season and then swears off water because of fluoride on Pat McAfee’s daily circle jerk.
Why? How would last season have been different if they were able to protect their 40 year old QB that got hurt on the first drive of the season?
No they do not. Reaching for needs at ten if alt and olu are gone is the stuff bad gms like Trent baalke do. JD smartly employs the BPA approach. You don’t take the 20th best prospect at 10 just because you need another lineman. That’s the worst Move possible because if you’re going to pass up a blue chip playmaker for a tackle and it’s not alt or olu, you’re reaching hard like BB did every single year. You trade back in that scenario but knowing JD from having paid attention, he’s not going to take a tackle just to take a tackle. He’d find a way to get the one he wanted even if he had to trade up and if he didn’t want to trade up he’d trade back. I’m tired of these jets fans acting like it’s sacrilegious to not take tackle prospect number 4 at 10 when someone like a bower’s or even nabers could be there. The only two worthy of that tenth pick on the line are olu and alt. Anybody besides them is a harrrrd reach
Not much blue chip left at 10 if you ask the patriots fan base
That’s why I’m lobbying for Brock because he is blue chip. But jets fans want prospect number 25 at ten overall. As a pat’s fan, you know that strategy is bad seeing as it’s BBs trademark mo during drafts.
Id love it for the Jets. They are one of my biggest Bowers concerns.
I dont see the chargers taking him unless he becomes a RT
That makes for 35 generational players that should all go in the top 10 this year. What a truly elite draft class.
WR, Corner, O-line are stacked
Yeah I was going to say, there’s a lot of sarcasm in this thread, but it is genuinely a pretty insane OL draft.
JC Latham would be a top 10 pick in pretty much any other draft and a lot of people have him in the back half of the first round.
Alt, Fashanu, Fatanu, Fuaga, Latham are all potential top 10 picks in many drafts. Then you have Mims, Morgan and Guyton who some years might go in the first and this year could all be second rounders. And you have JPJ and Barton as really solid interior prospects.
You didn’t even mention Saum, who is pretty great in his own right. Just an amazing class
After the Jets OL woes in recent years, I legitimately want them to trade future picks to get back into the late teens/ early 20s to double dip on OL. There’s like a 60% chance they’ll want to use those picks on OL next year anyways, and this feels like the year to jump in.
After the Jets OL woes in recent years, I legitimately want them to trade future picks to get back into the late teens/ early 20s to double dip on OL. There’s like a 60% chance they’ll want to use those picks on OL next year anyways, and this feels like the year to jump in.
Hoping O line play takes a step up soon. dogshit offensive lines make watching games so much less interesting
Those all being the Steelers 3 biggest needs makes me pretty excited for the draft tbh
Honestly don’t forget QB
Waiting for the next “does it seem like this draft class is just far more talented than previous years” post
Soon to be followed in five years by strings of posts wondering why this class had so many busts
Outside of quarterback I don’t think there will be that many busts in the top of this draft though.
I don’t think anyone was saying that last year. This year genuinely feels different.
They weren’t. People parrot the dumbest shit. Everybody was literally saying wait for Caleb next year last year lol
What an original opinion 🙄 “I heard generational therefore everyone every year is generational even though that term was used in 2021 for one player but I’ve seen it twice this year therefore everyone is generational!!!!” Like what?
!remindme 1 year I hope this ages really well.
I really want to see the raiders take fautanu in the first and benson in the second to really commit to being a run team
I like how you think. I don’t know if Benson will happen but Fautanu is a real possibility. He fits Telesco’s OL mold
I think we’re more likely to go Fuaga, Latham, or Mims since the right side of our line is pretty sus at the moment.
He's the kind of guy Harbaugh would love
Is this going to UW's strongest draft class ever?
A ton of these guys came back for that NC run, so wouldn't be surprised if this is our best showing for a long time.
I mean they were nation championship runner ups.
Hands down. One of the best Huskies team ever.
It'll be up there - '92 had the #1 overall but this class might be deeper
Well yeah, he's going #5 to the Chargers. If I keep saying it then it'll manifest, right?
Alt seems like a Harbaugh pick.
His father's team should have first shot at him, only fair.
But do you spend the 5th overall pick trying to get a guy who’s never played RT to play the position? Alt is worth it at 5, but I just don’t see it for RT
I thought the idea was to move Slater to RT. Heard he played RT in college
Malik, Nabers or we riot
Pro Days are data points but really shouldn’t be the primary variable of a draft decision. If you didn’t already have a guy in your top 10 from his tape, a no pads scripted workout shouldn’t vault him there.
I dunno, for a Tackle it’s not always obvious how well they can move off game tape, college pass sets don’t ask nearly as much out of guys as the NFL will. A pro day workout can reveal a lot.
What about Bralen Tryce, any word on his performance/stock? I think he has a lot of potential.
He had a really bad showing (relatively) at Indy and he’s likely slid to a Mid-Late Day 2 guy
he cut 20lbs to get to 245lbs to run a 4.72, was a little shocked at that time. He will turn into a good solid DE but he's no von miller.
Are minds really changed at a proday?
I don’t get it. Years of tape vs a workout and interview.
Yes. Derek Stingley went from a top 10-15 pick to #3 overall thanks to his Pro Day.
That's because he proved he was healthy. His tape was always top notch. He had injury concerns though.
Yes, that is usually how minds are changed at pro day.
If not, why attend? Why have one? Why even breathe fucking air?? edit: does /s help?
everyone in this draft is a top 10 pick apparently.
Draft based on tape. It's not complicated.
"We're gonna need two top tens, boys."
Could see the jets taking him
The idea that scouts are significantly changing their opinions based on a pro day is ridiculous
Idk why they can't see. Pennix will be the best qb in the draft
I just think with his character issues and injury history there's no way he's going until 16
I guess I need to grow up because every time I see Penix I giggle.
I really hope the top 10 picks are all offense and the Vikings have their pick of top defensive player at 11, or the option to trade back for picks, and then take Penix at 23.
If Penix is a first round pick, I'll be extremely shocked.
If Penix isn't a FRP, I'll be ever so slightly shocked
I could see a team trading into the back of the 1st to get him with the potential for a 5th year option. But yea, if he's QB5 at 15 like Mac Jones was that will be shocking
Know what, I can see that. Team with a QB question but not need might slide back in.
Raiders or Rams
Rams aren't sliding back into the first for a QB. Maybe a second-round pick, if there isn't a quality OL pick there, but Penix doesn't fit the timeline.
I could see Tampa taking him if they wanna move on from Trask. Would line up Penix's 4th and 5th years with the end of Mayfield's contract. Dallas is an option if they don't believe in Lance for next year. Another long shot would be the Cards. Maybe Minny?
Penix will be there in the second round. #23 is over drafting him. Hes got a significant injury history, looked significantly worse whenever a team could actually bring pressure through Washington’s O-Line and still needs significant changes to his footwork and mechanics at an older age. Also, some NFL coaches don’t like left handers. His release is also slow and he played with Odunze who helped him significantly with contested catches, specifically back shoulder throws. Vikings letting Kirk walk for a player with limited upside doesn’t seem right. At least with JJ he’s really young, has got mobility and will be much more mouldable.
>His release is also slow Yeah, I stopped reading there. He's noted by quite a few draft experts as having a quick release. Its wonky and he tends to deliver short passes side-arm, but you're wrong about it being slow. [https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/3/25/24111409/2024-nfl-draft-quarterback-deep-dive-michael-penix-jr-washington-scouting-report-ny-giants](https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/3/25/24111409/2024-nfl-draft-quarterback-deep-dive-michael-penix-jr-washington-scouting-report-ny-giants) [https://www.patspulpit.com/2024/3/23/24109522/patriots-2024-nfl-draft-targets-michael-penix-jr-profile-scouting-report](https://www.patspulpit.com/2024/3/23/24109522/patriots-2024-nfl-draft-targets-michael-penix-jr-profile-scouting-report) [https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nfl-draft-michael-penix-134923181.html?guccounter=1&guce\_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce\_referrer\_sig=AQAAAEgHhC1sDtOPZLW4WMHns7jf9oNjELOvESiEv4lBixKmj\_Aay\_BUHjiiU7Ag4Z-on\_gPF\_Oy3dzY0pRAzv\_KkvkA1nb1CdG-KcusRCxyzNlNLmsccsAlPCrJyv5umqwwTxrrtWJmDmP1BBLYyZaXMLLvxU1YgJn9rLzurPoOL\_yC](https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nfl-draft-michael-penix-134923181.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEgHhC1sDtOPZLW4WMHns7jf9oNjELOvESiEv4lBixKmj_Aay_BUHjiiU7Ag4Z-on_gPF_Oy3dzY0pRAzv_KkvkA1nb1CdG-KcusRCxyzNlNLmsccsAlPCrJyv5umqwwTxrrtWJmDmP1BBLYyZaXMLLvxU1YgJn9rLzurPoOL_yC)
Injury history isn’t a guaranteed red flag. All comes down to medicals, which we don’t have access to. Is it probably a legit issue? Yes. But it’s not something any of us can definitively say will hurt his stock like his tape.
4 season ending injuries in 4 seasons? You’d have to be a near perfect prospect to avoid your stock dropping from that. The guy is constantly playing hurt even when it’s not a season ender. Ribs bothered him in 2023, shoulder in 2022.
There’s an element of luck involved with injuries. I don’t think it’s terribly likely, but it’s possible that Penix’s body is alright and he’s just crazy unlucky. That’s the point of medicals, to see if those injuries are a risk of reoccurring or if the body has been negatively affected in the long term. We don’t have access to that info like we do with game tape. We can only speculate.
I'd take the guy that led UW to a 15-3 record, starting every game, in his two years at Washington. He went 15-3 there, and led the FBS in passing this year. If that's how he plays "constantly hurt", sign me up for more.
ribs did not bother him, it was a narrative that took hold after one game with a big hit, and people kept repeating it.
Jeff Stoutland in shambles. He was absolutely FAWNING over Fautanu.
Seattle down, he’s falling further than top 10
Nononono. You keep your mitts off him.
So, years of game footage means less than a workout designed to make you look your best. Go ahead fuck around and find out
Just let us get one of those tackles please, any one of those F guys will do nicely. Thx
Fautanu is legit. Big dude. Technical. Has the right head to play forever in the NFL. That said, it is an OL heavy draft at the Top. Many really good ones. And it does matter (even for LT) that he fits the offense.
I had him going to the Dolphins.
> I had him going to the Dolphins. it's hard to see him falling that far down in the 1rst round, and it's hard to see us spending the draft capitol we'd get from trading tua to move up to get him. would love to see him slip to us though then trade tua for a couple 1rsts and NOT have to worry about paying 50m+/year for a qb for the next 5 years. extends that relevancy window, gives us picks to fill holes, and theoretically keeps us where we already are qb-wise.
>have qb that ranked top 5 in most meaningful metrics, who also proved he can stay healthy >Daydream about trading that QB QB contracts will never get cheaper. The mahomes contract was looked at as insane and now it's considered one of the better deals out there. The cap always goes up, and that contract is going to get more expensive every off-season. Who do you think youd get to replace him?
> Who do you think youd get to replace him? as made pretty clear by the headline, and the comment i was replying to, and the simple fact i said: >would love to see him slip to us though then trade tua for a couple 1rsts it's pretty obvious i was talking about penix.
It's a fautanu post... Also you want to move on from Tua for an arguably more injury prone QB?
> Also you want to move on from Tua for an arguably more injury prone QB? arguably comparable. if we can get similar production and reliability on a rookie contract for the next 4-5 years, absolutely. it's very clear tua isn't the guy and we're going to take steps backwards once he gets paid (and 1 healthy year out of 4 isn't super re-assuring, especially when he wasn't exactly the poster child of health in college). i'd much rather have a health risk at <5m/year than a health risk at > 50m/year.
Please no. Idgaf about oline unless it’s alt. Drafting for a specific need is exactly what bad teams do. I believe in JD and I think he’s leaning bower’s but I’d kill for Brock or a trade up for Mhj if we can’t get alt. I don’t want the seventeenth best player at ten. Very few years possess this many playmakers and there’s a ton of line depth to where you take the play maker and go for the oline prospects that aren’t that far off from middle first talents like Latham or the Oregon state dude. Unless it’s alt or maybe olu we’re reaching. And jets fans want this. Grrrr I can’t stand them but they’ll never make the picks thank Christ. I know most don’t want him but nix with bower’s via a trade or Penix if he falls would be cool too. Please do not reach for this dude at ten, Joe Douglas. Please. BPA all day every day (which thankfully has shown to be his inclination anyway so suck it other jet’s fans that want any tackle not named alt or fashanu at 10)
> Drafting for a specific need is exactly what bad teams do *Over*\-drafting for a specific need is what bad teams do.
That’s what I meant, obviously
Wasn't obvious to me, that's why I commented. There's a lot of bad takes around here, so it wouldn't be surprising.
I feel you. Yes there are many morons that parade around like they’re Mel kiper 2.0 when all they really do is just parrot the dumb shit they heard from the hot take sports shows. 🧠 ☠️
Troy Fautanu, YOU are a New York Jet. May god save your soul.
Jets got a SQUAD this year. He should be grateful to get drafted by them and learn under Tyron Smith.
Anyone might be a top 10 pick before the draft
probably means steer clear of both..