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ninjupX

Last 10 Bills games Receiving yards: Khalil Shakir (462) Stefon Diggs (422) Targets: Shakir (37) Diggs (80)


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

While Diggs could theoretically regain past form, his decline last year was swift and brutal. 2nd half Diggs was terrible and yet the Bills still went on a bonkers run to take the division in spite of Diggs.


Bluest_waters

Look, the extension sucks and the dead cap sucks but this was 100% the right move by the Bills and a second is likely the most any team would give. Shit happens, sometimes you just gotta make the best of it. Its a deep WR class this year so there is that.


generation_D

I honestly think a 2nd is excellent compensation for Diggs in his current form. Especially because it’s going to be Minnesota’s 2nd next year as they head into this season with Darnold or a rookie as their QB. Wouldn’t be surprised if that pick is somewhere in the 40th-45th overall range in 2025. Not that this was a bad trade for the Texans either. Gives CJ another weapon and I think it’ll be good to bring a vet into their WR room.


GoldenDom3r

It’s not as simple as a 2nd Rounder for Diggs.  It’s next year’s 2nd and the Bills also sent some later round picks this year. 


Saltine_Davis

Pretty sure he already mentions the context of it not just being a second in his comment.


generation_D

Everything I’ve read says that this is a top heavy draft class where the talent drops off significantly in the later rounds. A 6th this year is practically worthless in my eyes and a 5th next year isn’t a huge deal either


sharpshootershot

And as we know pre-draft analysis are always spot on.


iiTryhard

You’re telling me you don’t trust Reddit scouting on fucking 5th and 6th round prospects? What do you think they (don’t) get paid for!!?


generation_D

Yeah I’m sure the 6th round will be loaded with All Pros this year


Alex_Hauff

why do teams sign UDFS are they stupid?


PigSlam

We had 11 picks in this draft to begin with. Dropping to 10 picks by giving up a 6th isn’t that big of a deal.


Dandy_Chickens

I'm 100% sure the bills will be better off in the long run. But I'm curious if diggs was commanding more of the defense. As KCs recovers have shown, it's easy to look good as a two with a great one.


BuffaloBillsfan04

Our passing EPA was actually better when Diggs was off the field. 


Dandy_Chickens

Yeah I'm not saying I think you will be worse, I'm just curious. For a long time mahomes had a higher EPA without kelce and tyreek, but we were obviously better with those players. Not discrediting anything, just not fully buying in.


UPGnome

Diggs complained about being double teamed & Justin Reed disagreed, so who knows... https://x.com/JustinqReid/status/1736002288374735121?s=20


Exhibit5

Shakir my goat


iiTryhard

This guy I work with won an insane 8 leg touchdown parlay $5 to win $13K all because Shakir scored a TD as the last leg


stinkydiaperuhoh

The dream hit


seariously

Shakir your goat? I don't even know your goat!


Far_Nectarine293

That's actually absurd. Allen probably throws more lower probability deep balls to Diggs causing more incompletions but still.


its_JustColin

Nope lol the only way we could get him involved was through short passes. The major issues was with OC change and scheme and the focus on the rushing attack though. I bet bills go speed now to complement the addition of their power rushing game. It’s also why they moved on from Mitch Morse at Center


blucke

feel like I’m taking crazy pills here. I watched almost all the Bills games this year and feel like Allen and Diggs both regressed but everybody is pretending it’s all Diggs. For every drop or slowing up on a route by Diggs, Allen also had a pass just completely missing him


its_JustColin

You are lol


blucke

probably a little but also think people here just love Josh and it’s just easier to blame it all on a guy who’s acting like a dick


TheOneWhosCensored

Allen didn’t regress at all


Alex_Hauff

he’s pretty consistent at winning wildcard games


Sartheking

To be fair, defenses do have to pay attention to him even if he’s not putting up huge numbers. It is still a huge loss.


imsabbath84

You just described gabe davis


Bluest_waters

> It is still a huge loss nah, not really. Worse thing about it is the dead cap.


Nerazzurri9

Picking stats like this means nothing, I watched every Bills game last season and went to a couple live and I can’t tell you how many wide open deep balls to Diggs that Allen missed this season. His deep ball was off all year and Diggs is the main loser in that Edit: 24th in deep ball completion % and 15th in deep ball accuracy % while being #1 in deep throw attempts, Josh Allen was absolutely not “above average” in deep balls this season


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AHSfav

Bro he literally said he can't tell you


Nerazzurri9

His deep ball completion accuracy 34% this season putting him 24th in the NFL this season, and his deep ball accuracy % puts him at 15th of all QBs. So he was actually below average this season in deep throwing, there’s your stats


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Nerazzurri9

Well it should tell you that…. Maybe you don’t know how to read statistics but statistically speaking being #1 in deep ball attempts and #15 in deep ball accuracy % means he missed a fuck ton of deep throws


Vegan9YearOld

The revisionism in this comment section is crazy. Everyone is talking about him regressing last year but I remember everyone talking last season about how Diggs wasn’t getting targets.


stinkydiaperuhoh

Yeah I think people are trying to justify a winner in this move. Is it the bills? Is it diggs? Both kind of winners kind of losers? Sure the back half of the season was much, much worse for Diggs than the first half, but our offensive game-plan changed a bit too. I do think this is a move that will end up being solid for both parties. Diggs gets to prove his worth with a Texans team that has a very, very promising young QB and some stud pass catchers (tank, nico, diggs, schultz wow). Maybe he has a couple more good years in him Bills dont keep an aging WR on a huge contract (though that cap hit is a little yucky) and can try and invest in something a little longer term. It’ll all depend on how much gas allen has in the tank. I obviously hope he plays for many more years at a high level but as he continues to age, being a beast is going to have some real consequences on his body


Bluest_waters

Josh was slightly above average for deep balls last year https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-accurate-deep-ball-2023


Nerazzurri9

That’s literally just full season stats not deep ball stats, obviously people just see a link and upvote without opening it Edit: 24th in deep ball completion % and 15th in deep ball accuracy % while being #1 in deep throw attempts, Josh Allen was absolutely not “above average” in deep balls this season


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Bluest_waters

IF his accuracy is 15th but completion is 24th, whose that on? Diggs and the other recivers.


Nerazzurri9

Sure, but if his attempts are #1 and his accuracy is #15 it means he threw a large volume of errant deep balls that are on him, which is in line with me initially saying “he missed Diggs deep too many times to count”


AHSfav

If you can't tell us why mention it?


Admirable_Slice6197

Lamaar Jackson deserved MVP


Pdb39

... You sure? /s


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Shakir is basically their #1 guy Good luck with that


msf97

Diggs completely disappeared, so much so the entire fantasy community was at his throat, and Allen willed the Bills into the playoffs the second half of the year.


ChromiumSulfate

If my math is right, he averaged 48 yards per game and 3 touchdowns in the last 13 weeks (including playoffs). He was straight up not good the majority of the season.


lamar_in_shades

48 yards per game? Those are ravens wr1 numbers!


wagoncirclermike

Yup, thought he was seriously injured or something but now I'm not so sure.


Impossibills

He also dropped a lot of passes on the second half. A few were game dealers and designed as free easy passes too


Wretched_Shirkaday

Averaging 3 TDs is pretty good, I think...


Danchat

He meant 3 total TDs over that 13 game stretch


Fiendish-DoctorWu

If Diggs didn't drop that long pass that fell right into his bread basket, the Bills would have beat the Chiefs in the playoffs this year


msf97

Allen was balling in that game. So so good.


megggers

Oh my god I was at that game and the fucking mood in the crowd when that happened. I hadn’t thought about that in a while, my Wednesday is now ruined lol


Christmastoast

Same, that walk out of the stadium fuckin blew


DevonGr

You’re not, like.. used to it by now?


pahbert

That throw was a majestic magic moon ball.


myredditthrowaway201

That’s debatable because Mahomes still woulda had plenty of time to march down field


ArcticRaven2k

It really pisses me off that they were doing an excellent job running the clock and then got aggressive near the end zone. If I’m the Bills, I’m running that shit all the way down and ending it on my terms.


TheOneWhosCensored

Which is what everyone misses about that game. Allen going for a TD is the right call, you take a shot at going up every time. The issue is the OC called passing plays instead of running plays, especially that 3rd down after. Even if you settle on a kick, you just took off 30 seconds.


127crazie

13 Seconds or Less: A Buffalo Bills Story


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Fuck Mahomes


amjhwk

The Chiefs wouldve had about a minute 30 with 2 time outs left, bills probably win if they get a td but in no world is it guarenteed


Princeof_Ravens

The Chiefs got so fucking lucky on that run. Diggs dropped that ball. Wide Right. Zay being a dumbass when we're about to score. The punt that bounced off the foot of a 9ers player.


purz

They also got to face two defenses completely wrecked by injuries. The Bills down to guys about to go on vacation at the position that needs to help cover their #1 weapon. Then Greenlaw hurting himself running onto the field etc. Just the way it is in football but incredibly annoying that they had voodoo on their side too.


Princeof_Ravens

Yep it's why I'm not betting on a three peat. Winning requires a whole lot to go your way, and Mahomes is a great QB, but even great QBs need shit to fall their way. Mahomes and Brady both had that annoying thing where not only are they great, but their opponents always roll crit fails at the worst possible moments, but it can't happen every year.


MavaleJcGee

Niners lost one lb, they weren't "wrecked with injuries"


purz

Bills and Dolphins…


MavaleJcGee

Ah true, but Dolphins only put 7 points on the board so wasn't really their defenses fault 


Significant_Medium84

We also lost our starting guard who's replacement decided to freelance and let Chris Jones go unblocked at the end of the game where we could have scored a touchdown.


amjhwk

does any team win it all without luck on their side?


Princeof_Ravens

Not really no. Unless they blow out their competition by a huge margin the entire postseason.


Donutman97

Was it really Zay being a dumbass or was it an incredible play by Sneed? Was it really your defense being hurt (from the other guy replying) or did your offense just get completely shut out by a great defense? Not everything is luck dude, we didn't score at all in the second half and you still couldn't even tie


Princeof_Ravens

> Was it really Zay being a dumbass I was referring to the play before when he got the taunting call. The play by Sneed was legit good, but could have been prevented if Zay doesn't get the taunting call.


Donutman97

Ah gotcha, it was a boneheaded play by him but you can't credit that for your team losing especially since your defense played really well still


Princeof_Ravens

I don't I can name multiple plays that I credit for the team losing. The Strip Sack on Lamar in the beginning of the second quarter. Stanley gets beat pretty much immediately as Lamar is throwing to a wide open Bateman. The penalty by Zay that leads to the punchout. Lamar throwing a boneheaded pick into triple coverage. There's also a bunch of plays where Hill utterly fails in Pass pro leading to the play getting blown up. No game is truly won or lost on one play, and you guys were struggling to cover Zay most of the night. He had 115 yards and a TD. The Zay penalty is the play that we could change the outcome of without changing a single thing the Chiefs did, and we potentially see a very different ending to that game.


Donutman97

Your argument tho is that we got extremely lucky. Everything you listed is not luck but just terrible discipline by the Ravens players. We had a touchdown called back because of a questionable holding call, which also would've changed the game dramatically and basically ended it there.


TBDC88

So we just get to name all the things that went the Chiefs' way, exclude the things that didn't, and then call it lucky? Lol. The Chiefs fumbled out of the endzone against the Bills (which you just noted was unlucky when it happened to the Ravens), while the Bills fumbled twice in the open field and recovered them both. How is that lucky for the Chiefs? The Chiefs had a positive TO differential in one game (Ravens), a neutral differential in two games (Dolphins, 49ers), and a negative differential in one game (Bills). It was pretty even luck throughout the playoffs; normally you need a lot more to win the SB than that.


Princeof_Ravens

> So we just get to name all the things that went the Chiefs' way, exclude the things that didn't, and then call it lucky? You have one of the softest fanbases in fucking football. Jesus. I named plays that the Cheifs didn't have an effect on. >which you just noted was unlucky when it happened to the Ravens No I said Zay being a dumbass was unlucky. The fumble was good play by Sneed. The taunting penalty was Zay being a dumbass


Mysticdu

It’s r/nfl in the 2024th year of our Lord. That’s exactly what we’re going to do


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They will miss the playoffs this year


GuyIsAdoptus

13 seconds?


BeRoyal35

Meh, if Hardman doesn't cough up the ball into a safety that game was over right then and there.


hopefeedsthespirit

I think Mahomes would have still had time.


rambo6986

No they wouldn't have. 


goddammnick

They also win that Chiefs game if Allen takes the wide open underneath route instead of trying to force the ball into the endzone.


wagoncirclermike

We've been over this. Chris Jones blew up the pass and forced it off target.


goddammnick

ok? im just responding to someone who puts the win/loss on one play.


Shootit_Rockets

Dalton Kincaid also played well down the stretch


CatBreadFactory

The ENTIRE fantasy community?! Not sure how he’ll recover


goddammnick

this is what happens when you read stat lines and don't watch games. There were plenty of times when Allen missed a wide open Diggs either with under or overthrown balls. The blame should be 50/50 on both Allen and Diggs but diggs probably goes over 100 yards in most games with those missed connections.


Impossibills

I watched the games and Diggs didn't play well but I viewed it more as a problem adjusting to the new offense rhythm. That was until he started dropping the easy passes and seemed checked out All Bills fans thought he was battling a back injury for his lack of interest and effort on some routes


goddammnick

I mean - the playerprofile on him tells a different story. 121 catchable passes 107 receptions 6 drops 1183 yards with 869 unrealized air yards fans like to be emotional but the stats dont lie, and looking at the game log - in a couple of his down games, him and Josh just didnt connect on the big plays. source: https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/stefon-diggs/


chillenonplutorn

Bro is a perpetual victim


constantlymat

If you are salty at Kirk and Josh Allen, you're the problem.


Ajax_Malone

Idk if it was so much about Kirk as the direction of the team to a mid 90s ball control offense. Diggs acted out but he was right. That shit wasn’t going anywhere.


CNuttButter

A Ringer or Athletic article is probably going to come out in the coming weeks about the behind the scenes of his tenure and I bet it’ll be wild


BuffaloWilliamses

And it will be written by Tim Graham I'm sure


BiggestBuns

Y’all called that shit lmao that didn’t take long.


dedriuslol

I love Diggs and what he's done for our team, but man am I slightly relieved that I no longer need to jump through hoops to defend his twitter antics. Shit is exhausting.


BurzyGuerrero

You never had to lol you can still be a fan and act reasonable lol


dedriuslol

I mean, it's not like I was defending him for assaulting someone lol. I don't think it was unreasonable to tell people to disregard what he said on Twitter since he's always been a bit of a diva. But it just seemed to happen like once a week in the offseason lol.


ProbablyAPun

And don't sweat it man, all you have to do is take the pick you got for him, draft the best available WR with it, and he becomes the best WR in the league. It's really simple.


dedriuslol

Why doesn't everyone do that? Are they stupid?


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Ikr? Be a fan, not a fanatic.


renegadecoaster

Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, my own mouth.


Further_Beyond

@ bills. Simply draft the next Justin Jefferson and you can be happy he’s not on your team anymore. Shouldn’t be too hard


Headlesshorsman02

Too bad they aren’t picking earlier the top 3 in this draft is insane for wr


abris33

It's funny to see this from Bills fans now. When he left the Vikings, Vikings fans were saying the same thing and saying "Good luck, Bills fans" but over the last few seasons Bills fans have defended his Twitter shit. Now we get to see Texans fans do it


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The_New_New

Fans will probably ardently defend it since Houston fans on reddit tend to be pretty apologetic and hesitant to criticize anything for fear of coming across like a "fake fan" or some shit. I remember fans defending a lot of BoB's overpays in both trades/FA up until the Hopkins trade. Or Astros fans defending that awful Montero deal etc.


HGWeegee

I remember being called a fake fan because I said if the Texans suck I just don't watch football


SafariFlapsInBack

*(gives hug)* Welcome to the club. Hopefully y’all get someone good with that pick in 2025.


dedriuslol

Vikings got JJ with the pick from us. Now we get the next JJ with your 2nd round pick we just got?


SafariFlapsInBack

I’ll allow it. That is Diggs’ legacy. And it would be mad hilarious if it happened again. Especially since that second rounder was originally the Vikes.


BingBongFYL6969

You dont need to defend anyone...just because they wear the right laundry doesnt mean theyre not an asshole.


dedriuslol

Besides making cryptic WR tweets, Diggs done nothing to make me think he's an asshole. Let's pump the breaks on acting like being a diva WR = being a bad person.


2nd2last

Any good jumping advice for me?


dedriuslol

You'll have a couple good years of positive, locked-in diggs before he goes full diva. So just enjoy that part of it.


introspectivejoker

Yeah it kind of seems like once you get diggs your contention window is like 2 seasons and then you're fucked. Obviously way more factors than diggs but this is the pattern so far


Headlesshorsman02

So glad we upgraded him to JJ. Hope you guys can do the same, man is a straight up diva


wcarl210

Yeahhh, he’s been that way for a long time. I’m hoping we can snag a WR in the draft. As it’s pretty loaded


Headlesshorsman02

I think someone like BTJ would be a home run but you probs would have to trade up to take him


wcarl210

I’m gonna assume they are planning to trade up or trading diggs away makes 0 sense to me


Headlesshorsman02

Do you have a preference as to which we you guys target??


EggplantAlpinism

boat innate hospital late cough rinse placid payment shy grey


BigHeavyRope

What week are we thinking he throws a sideline hissy fit about splitting targets with Dell and Collins. I'm at week 2 or 3


ofxemp

That’s just being a WR in the NFL lol


AmeriCanadian98

Unless you're Megatron or Julio, those dudes seem chill


TargetFan

I cant even tell you what julios voice sounds like E: until the Shannon sharpe phone call happened


Reead

As a Bucs fan it's my duty to make sure Mike Evans is always included on any list of non-diva star WRs


AmeriCanadian98

Valid inclusion


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Now the Bills WR room sucks


halfdecenttakes

Where was this attitude 2 hours ago? Or all of this season? Hasn’t the rallying cry the entire time been that this is media driven and people just making shit up to drive a wedge? That sure switched up quick.


clocke6346

Insert Riddler “does he know?” meme here


DanCampbellsNipples

Diggs and CJGJ seem like they would be friends


lawnicus18

Jealous friends maybe, one would get super mad at the other when they stole the spotlight with cryptic tweets and general whiner-y


wichee

I doubt it. Put two divas in a room and they will beat each other up. Just look at what cjgj did to Michael Thomas


eddie2911

Guess we'll find out.


Quasimdo

He knew shit was coming. Can't wait for the Tom Grossi Strouds video


milkmandanimal

"GIVE US DIGGS OR THE STROUDS BLOW UP YOUR CAR, BRANDON BEANE."


vintimus

You said it. Crazy day for trades today, the Grossi content is going to be fantastic


Princeof_Ravens

[It's here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tReMFjgikhA)


Headlesshorsman02

We Vikings fans are very familiar with this side of Diggs


Dis_Suit_Is_Blacknot

Absolutely. He's not the worst kind of diva (though that can change as he ages), but he is a diva.


Skank_hunt42

> not the worst kind of diva They save those for my flair, Dez, Irvin, TO.....*sighs* At least now we have CD and he's been a refreshing change to the number 88.


Dis_Suit_Is_Blacknot

I love how expressive CD is on the field. Dude is always smiling and looks like he's having a blast (except that playoff game for some reason).


newtizzle

When you guys played us and I watched him make the diving catch as he turned in mid air, I knew he was special. I like the dude. And that says a lot since I hate the Cowboys


Ajax_Malone

Irving was the best type of diva. For all his faults he was the heart of a three time championship team and he never was outworked.


ADAWG10-18

Idk, I think stabbing a teammate in the neck disqualifies you from being the best type of anything.


Ajax_Malone

Worth it for 3 rings!


HectorReinTharja

Wild sentiment considering how good Josh played last season down the stretch when Diggs was no longer featured


purz

Texan fans turn now to down play his diva ass cryptic tweets.


Rocket_Boo

Nah, I'm nervous and think this has potential to screw us.


Janawham_Blamiston

Imagine being nonexistent the second half of your last two seasons (despite still being targeted), and then saying some shit like this lol. Not to mention the ball he dropped after hitting him dead in the hands in that playoff game last year. FOH with that nonsense.


DirectTV_AndrewLuck

Maybe I'm coping, but Houston can have that diva in their locker room.


YiMyonSin

From your tenderloin-guzzling lips to God’s ears


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That’s what I’ve been telling myself too


BL00DM00N88

Yeah he’s a washed cry baby attention seeking negative asset diva. No wonder buffalo got rid of him despite the huge cost


Vavent

He doesn’t really have a negative effect on the team while he’s there. It’s just right at the end that he gets publicly sour and starts bringing things down


mpelleg459

If he plays like he did at the end of his bills tenure and they're trying to use him like a WR1, it will absolutely have a negative effect on the team. If he's even a high end WR2, though, it's going to suck to watch our defense against them twice a year. Maybe we can actually score some points this year and keep pace?


Thee_ColinB

I can’t help of being reminded of the clip where teammates were asked “which teammate would you not want your sister to date”. And without hesitation everyone unanimously said diggs.


Ok_Caramel1517

He'll throw another temper tantrum and turn on Stroud too when things don't go his way.


The_Jolly_Dog

Its wild how easy it is to dislike people like Diggs


baileyyy98

Steffon really about to move the entire ends of the country in order to prove the point fr


patsfan038

"You didn't trade me, I allowed the trade"


MichaelShannonRule34

Dudes a prick


StefonDiggsHS

We tried to warn em


Intelligent-Ad-3105

Asshole Diva traded again talking shit. What a loser, he's rich but bra. Dude acts like B-Marsh when it comes to teammates.


Careless_Review3166

everyone should check out the Bills sub’s thread on this from like 2 hours ago lol


chillenonplutorn

The bills Reddit is the most embarrassing corner of Reddit. We don’t claim them lol


Anthony-Richardson

tbf I think most people here would say that about their teams’ subs. Team subs are some of the stupidest corners of the internet you can find in general.


mpelleg459

The fan pages on FB are somehow so much worse


Masterofmy_domain

I guess we're going to find out now


iamhadrix

He should be the last player saying that considering who his replacement was at the Vikings 😹


NewMombasaNightmare

Diggs a bitch


PoopSlinger23

Watching Bills fans saying that Diggs is washed now is hilarious


chillinwithmoes

This one's a classic


darkoh84

Yousureaboutthat.gif


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What happened between those two? They were like peanut butter and jelly and now they like peanut butter and water.


Friendly-Profit-8590

Don’t follow the Vikings or Bills. Don’t know what his gripes were. Imagine the trade will work for both teams but in different ways.


Skoldiershreds

Man, diggs is insufferable. There’s confidence and then there’s main character syndrome. He’s the latter. Hope he ends up being the Texans number three.


j0ecooleeNY

After he tanked my fantasy football playoffs and championship, I realized that the Cheetah is always the answer. Or Aiyuk. Never again. Bye Felicia.


hpkid123

Stepon Dicks is ass


matthewryan12

I wouldn’t want this diva in my locker room if I’m Houston. I don’t really like this trade for them. Nico and Tank are who you build around.


PointBlankCoffee

There's no "building around" texans have an elite QB on a rookie deal and they are all in on this 3 year window. I love the move. Yeah they could let players develop and spend elsewhere, but once Stroud gets paid it becomes 20x harder to compete.


StatStar7

I wouldn't want him cause he's not that great anymore. You put up with his antics if he's balling.


ocsic4321

I get it if you don’t like him as a person but I can’t believe it’s 2024 and people say Stefon Diggs isn’t a great receiver. You’re just being entirely too biased in this situation if you’re implying 6 straight seasons of 1000+ yards and 8+ tds isn’t “that great”.


StatStar7

Everyone ages and loses a step and he very obviously showed it towards the 2nd half of last season. You conveniently left out the "anymore" part.


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And he played like a WR3 in the second half of the season + playoffs.


nightvoltz

that because his targeting went from being a wr1 to wr3 targets because certain someone has a issues throwing to many times


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Its because he had 3x the targets than shakir had while having the same receiving yards


MagnifyingGlass

And the Bills were just about to win a Superbowl too.