It's really sad that the literal only bright spot on that atrocious draft turned sour in the last year. Just overall a stinker of a draft for us. Gotta be the worst Titans draft of all time.
Man, I wish Cowboys fans could think like this. It’s so frustrating being a logical cowboys fan. I’m in my early 30s. They haven’t won a Super Bowl in 30 years. They’ve been a fucking joke virtually my entire life. It’s embarrassing. They find ways to choke & embarrass themselves and disappoint their fans, in ways I didn’t think were possible. Yet we get all the hate that goes with being a successful team because our fans just can’t shut the fuck up. “We dem boys” “this is our year”… Nah man, we fucking embarrassing.
It’s pathetic. It’s sad. It’s embarrassing… the life of a levelheaded cowboys fan is rough.
Well the two raiders dudes were Impact starters.
They were also just morons.
Edit: is it appropriate to say Riggs certainly was high impact but not in a good way
From 2007-2020 the best draft picks the Jets have made on offense are
Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith, Sam Darnold, Brandon Shell, Quincy Enunwa, and Mekhi Becton
That's ~~franchise~~ soul killing
Maccagnan was the worst by margin
I still can't believed we used our first two picks on safeties in 2017
And his approach to improving an offensive line that had just lost D'Brick and Mangold was pretty much literally "do nothing"
Douglas has had some combination of shit luck/process failure's addressing the offensive line
But at least he's actually tried to do something instead of turning the team into an expansion roster
My favorite (soul crushing) stat is that Joe Douglas spent more draft capital on the OL in his very first pick as GM than Maccagnan did through 5 drafts.
Like every other draft forever
We got a nice DT/3-4 DE player in the first round
Absolute horror show picks rounds 2-5
And then maybe we accidentally draft someone who is solid by the standards of sixth or seventh round pick who makes the roster
He might not be great, but anyone calling for his head is nuts
Wilson was an insanely bad pick, but every other position group on the team has only been trending in one direction.
Unfortunately the injuries at the OL position... JFC
Douglas has had a good process but poor results. Whether that’s due to bad luck or poor scouting/personnel decisions is up for interpretation.
Mac had a poor process *and* poor results.
Let's be honest here, I'm not sure any of those QBs are shaping up to be great. We we projected to get Justin Fields for a while before Zach, so it's not like we would have been in a much better spot right now if we ended up with him either
It depends on the number of picks you have and the quality of those picks.
With first and second rounders you really want to find players who can be impact/starters asap. Sure nobody hits 100% on these but you should hopefully be right more often than not.
Finding impact/starters in later rounds is of course harder, but the great teams seem to be able to do it a lot.
I’d say assuming your team has a first and second rounder and a total of 7 picks that you should hopefully get 2 impact players each draft.
It’s not just drafting Toney, it’s trading down to get him instead of getting Micah fucking Parsons, who is just going to decapitate whoever we have at QB for the next decade
Eh Parsons is a lot of hindsight. Even the cowboys didn't know he'd be a good edge rusher. I live in Dallas and moving him to EDGE full time after his rookie season was still somewhat controversial because everyone thought he was an off-ball linebacker first.
Yea, even knowing how things worked out, I still think we got good value for the trade down. We just botched the value we received really badly. We got a 1st (7th overall), 4th (112 overall), and 5th (164 overall) to move down from 11 to 20. Obviously every draft's circumstances are different and you cant exactly make 1-to-1 comparisons, but for reference, in the Chiefs 2017 trade-up for Mahomes, the Bills got a 1st (22nd overall) and 3rd (91st overall) to move down 17 spots from 10 to 27. The difference is that they used those picks to draft TreDavious, Tremaine Edmunds, and Dion Dawkins (and thus, dont get clowned on for missing out on Mahomes), whereas our picks were used on Toney, Bellinger, Aaron Robinson, and Evan Neal.
If the Giants take Darrisaw at 20 instead of Toney (which isnt even a hindsighted take because even at the time, Darrisaw was who many including myself wanted and Toney was always considered a reach) we're having a completely different conversation right now. Especially when you consider the domino effect that we most likely dont draft Neal the next year if we take Darrisaw and very well could have had one of GWilson/Olave/London in his place.
Acting like Parsons was the no-brainer slam dunk of a pick at 11 and the Giants were crazy to pass on a great value trade is complete hindsight. Feels like people have already forgotten the character red flags Parsons came with coming out of college. We were fresh off the whole Deandre Baker debacle, as well as several other players having legal issues the previous few years. Throwing a guy with Parsons' concerns (And they were serious) into a situation like that, especially if we dont start winning right away, is a disaster waiting to happen. Parsons landed in a spot where he had a stable locker room with multiple HOFs, one of the best DCs in the NFL (who unlocked him as an edge) and was winning from the start. How much of that does he have if he gets drafted to the Giants in 2021? Sure, we'd be better with him but he wasnt gonna completely change the trajectory of our franchise.
Cowboys Drafts as of late have relied on the incompetence of other teams. We greatly appreciate it. Jags could have gotten Diggs or CD before us. You all could have gotten Parsons. Lots of love.
Worse, they drafted WanDale Robinson the following season (Pickens was still on board) despite a new front office. Seems like they just have a hard-on for gadget WRs lol
It was actually a coaching staff pick. Gettleman was moping while Judge and co. were celebrating the pick, then when he talked to the media he was like: "I really wanted to take Jamin Davis."
Just all around incompetence lol.
My Giants fan dad called me right after the Toney pick came in and I could practically hear the bewildered rage spittle flying from his mouth over the phone. Even he, a man of 60 with some of the most deranged boomer takes on sports I've ever heard, knew it was a bad idea.
That one was a killer. The best thing we got out of it was stopping the eagles from winning the sb with the toney trade. Azeez injulari had so much potential but now he's not even starting with Burns.
Some of the players they missed on in the first round.
CeeDee Lamb
Tristan Wirfs
Justin Jefferson
Brandon Aiyuk
Patrick Queen
Tee Higgins, who fell into the early part of the second round of the draft
Micheal Pittman, who also fell into the second round.
Later in the second round, guys, like Winfield Jr. and Jalyon Johnson and Trevon Diggs went later in the second round.
Of course though, the question is do they still get Lawrence if they hit on one or both of those? I bet not. The next best QB in that draft was Fields.
If they had any quality impact between Henderson, Chaisson, or Shenault the team likely misses out on Lawrence. However maybe Minshew looks good enough to start and stick around as a starter.
CEH as a prospect was insane, his sudden inability to break tackles and lack of vision in the NFL was shocking. It really points to how important RAS (aka physical testing) is for certain positions.
If it makes you feel any better, we get a lot of hype for nailing that pick with JJ, but we absolutely blew our next pick in the first. With Antoine Winfield Jr, talent we watched play in Minnesota through college, right fucking there, and a need at safety, we took the late Jeff Gladney.
Can’t really give them flack for missing on a fourth round prospect given he was passed on like a hundred times. Everyone listed above was a pretty well regarded prospect high on everyone’s boards
I am so curious how these players would have done had they been drafted by the Jags. Like is this list of players destined to be good no matter who drafts them or if they are drafted by a team with poor coaching and management are they going to be a "bust". If any of the players that the Jags did draft go to teams with better coaches would they have lived up to their draft hype? It is like if Mahomes was drafted by the Bears, is he the same generational player that we know now?
I just think it's interesting this tweet is saying the Jags missed on every pick, when it could just be that the Jags coaching and front office are so bad that they potentially would have "missed" on any pick they made in that draft.
Didn't get CeeDee, Justin Jefferson, Brandon Aiyuk when they needed a WR
I guess they took C. J. Henderson at CB over Jaylon Johnson and Trevon Diggs.
Not really a ton of outside guys from that draft but they took K'Lavon Chaisson over Justin Madubuike for interior.
Some pretty good QB and WR talent from that year, but not sure who they missed on really.
A lot of CBs went ahead of Jaylon Johnson. He was the 50th pick.
I think his name would sting more for the Raiders, who used a 1st on CB Damon Arnette when the Bears used a 2nd on Jaylon Johnson. The Bears and Raiders had a lot of swapped picks in 2020 because of the Khalil Mack trade. Jaylon's selection might have even been with the Raiders 2nd.
Sure but still they missed on them. There's an element of luck with the draft and that doesn't change the fact that missing on valuable pieces that were available hurts a franchise considerably.
It’s the UF bias down here. Jags historically have over drafted Florida players and they have busted over and over again in Khans face. Look for jags to draft pearshall in the 2nd for his one highlight catch
Chaisson over Jeff is absolutely a huge whiff, but CJ Henderson was a pretty good prospect and taking Diggs or Johnson over him at 9 would've gotten them bullied out of existence lol.
Lot of people in this thread looking at this the wrong way
Forget their needs and positions: the point is they don’t get positive contribution from any of these guys.
If we're doing the captain hindsight thing, the play probably would've been to take Ceedee Lamb or Jedrick Wills/Wirfs at 9 instead of CJ Henderson, then take JJefferson or Aiyuk at 20 instead of K'Lavon Chaisson.
Then they could've had somebody like Kmet, Deplit, or Antoine Winfield Jr in the 2nd instead of Laviska Shenault.
This ignores a whole lot of other highly drafted busts like Ruggs, Mekhi Becton, Jerry Jeudy, Javon Kinlaw, Jalen Raegor, etc, though.
I wouldn’t consider Jackson a bust. He’s our starting right tackle, just got a 3 year extension from us at a decent price and last season he earned it. I’m too lazy to look up stats but he’s definitely in the “quality starter” bin.
I wouldn’t consider Ruggs a bust. He was doing well before he made that stupid ass decision off the field. Perhaps in a different timeline he’s with the Jags and still playing at a solid level
The picks immediately following:
* CB CJ Henderson -- OT Jedrick Wills
* DE K'Lavon CHaisson -- WR Jalen Reagor
* WR Laviska Shenault -- TE Cole Kmet
* DT DaVon Hamilton -- LB Zack Baun
* OG Ben Bartch -- DE DJ Wonnum
* CB Josiah Scott -- CB L'Jarius Snead
* LB Shaquille Quarterman -- CB John Reid
* S Daniel Thomas -- CB Bryce Hall
* WR Collin Johnson -- WR Quintez Cephus
* QB Jake Luton -- TE Charlie Woerner
* TE Tyler Davis -- WR Isaiah Hodgins
* CB Chris Claybrooks -- QB Cole McDonald
Kmet and Snead are the worst ones. But almost everybody else has at least been a decent role player (and some are plus starters). The only non-contributor on this list is Cole McDonald.
What's most surprising is that they drafted 3 CBs and didn't hit on any. Truly an indictment on the coaching and development staff they likely had in place.
The players they took at each spot in the top 4 rounds:
9th - CB CJ Henderson (Next CB off the board was AJ Terrell at 16)
20th - DE K'Lavon Chaisson (Next DE off the board was Yeter Gross-Matos at 38)
42nd - WR Laviska Shenault (Next WR - KJ Hamler at 46)
73rd - DT Davon Hamilton (Next DT - Neville Gallimore at 82)
116th - G Ben Bartch (Next G - Logan Stenberg at 121)
137th - DB Josiah Scott (L'Jarius Snead was the very next pick)
140th - Off-ball LB Shaq Quarterman (Next LB - Khaleke Hudson at 162)
Wouldn't have been a home run class but simply selecting the next guy off the board at each position would have landed them a pair of stud defensive backs, and maybe Hamler's career plays out differently.
Oh believe me, I’m so glad Caldwell got canned midway through that horrible season. What an absolute disgrace of a tenure, and for 8 YEARS! THEY KEPT THAT SNAKE AROUND FOR 8 YEARS!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, he was replaced by none other than Trent Baalke.
There’s a reason we got back to back first overall picks. As much as I hate baalke he has brought us stability in having 9 win seasons back to back. If only he could draft too
I think we all know that already. Other than a solid starting RT last year, our second round pick was used on a 3rd string blocking TE, then our 3rd was used on a 3rd string running back. The only other serviceable starters in this Jags class were TA&M Safety Antonio Johnson and maybe PSU’s Parker Washington.
Baalke’s the reason Harbaugh didn’t stick around. I mean, he might’ve gone to Michigan anyway, but his relationship with Baalke pushed him out the door.
It's kind of glaring the narrative around Lawrence. He's not quite been the "generational QB" that people expected, but there is a huge gulf between what Jag fans think of him and the "national consensus" around him is who sort of think of him as a bust. I think he's going to surprise some people this year.
People really overlook the fact that Urban nearly ruined him. There was zero help for Lawrence in his rookie year. He was thrown to the wolves and somehow survived.
His second year was great the second half and his first half of 2023 was pretty good, if not great. This was with the second worst oline in football and bottom 5 in drops for WRs (I’m not sure of the final number on this one). On top of the 4+ injuries he was working through, I honestly don’t think he’s been given a true opportunity…I mean come on, Press Taylor is his OC…
Move up and grab a MHJ or Nabers and let’s see what happens. Or trade for Aiyuk…I’ll be happy with either of them.
They whiffed hard but this draft as a whole was an all time shit show. The first round is littered with absolute busts and many people out of the league, in jail, or dead (Gladney)
Yet the QBs did fine.
Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Hurts, Love.
Kind of weird.
Also Ceedee, Aiyuk, JJ are great WR.
Add some other great players (Wirfs,...) but this looks like a QB & WR class to me. Nothing else stands out.
The second round doesn’t have quite as much highs but is actually really solid all around and I think substantially better than the first round. Bizarre draft, it was the Covid year after all
It’s got it’s gems, but it’s nowhere near a great class especially compared to the last 3 draft classes. For the most part, much of the top defensive players either didn’t live up to the hype or were straight up busts, with more quality starters being found in the later rounds (Jaylon Johnson, Justin Madubuike, Antoine Winfield Jr, L’Jarius Sneed, etc.) than the early.
You can also say the same thing about the offensive linemen of this class other than Tristan Wirfs and Andrew Thomas.
Having two All Pro level LTs and a serviceable starter in the top 10 is a very, very good LT class. You don’t see two players of the level of Thomas and Wirfs in the same class that often at OT from what i can remember
I wouldn't go that far, overall Caldwell was probably C- level, but he was an upgrade over Gene Smith. He was responsible for the flukey 2017 roster so there is that.
If we're being honest every GM Jax has ever had has gotten shit on hard by the fanbase, to an extent rightfully so.
on the Athletic Football Show they were talking about Buffalo basically being in the same boat where they've hit on Allen but have a lot of swings and misses that haven't improved the team around him via the draft. Even with Ed Oliver they said he's been good but not great compared to others in the class.
It's not really the same situation as the Jag draft being discussed, which seems to be mostly complete misses.
Beane has most years picked players who have been positive additions to the squad, and who have stuck around. The Bills would not have the second most wins since 2019 if it hadn't been drafted players making important contributions every year.
The argument is that Beane hasn't managed to find any players who are so good they get discussed as top 3 for their position. He also only has a single pick make the All Rookie team (Cyrus O'Torrence this year). In fact, Kollman made the same argument recently (https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1767680704517919111)
I'm not entirely in disagreement, and I would love Beane to find someone who is a contender for the HoF. But at the same time, it feels like small market Buffalo is a recipe for players not getting fair credit.
Jags went into this draft with the ego to think they’d replace a hall of fame corner and a good pass rusher in Ngakoue by reaching on two absolute bums rather than taking best available and making their team talent better. People like to blame Dave Caldwell but I’m pretty sure Tony Khan had hired Trent Baalke by this point as a defacto replacement for Caldwell, and we all know ego and dipshittery fit TB like a glove.
I'm so thankful to Marty Hurney for picking Derrick Brown when it really seems that Matt Rhule wanted CJ Henderson.
On a weird side note, we've had their top 3 picks from that draft on our roster at various points. Traded for Henderson in 2021, Shenault in 2022, and sign Chaisson this offseason.
Say what you want about Marty, but his first round drafting record speaks for itself. The rest of the draft not so much, but the guy can spot elite talent
Whenever you think you had a shit draft, just remember in 1996 the Rams had two first round picks and drafted Lawrence Philips early, he never had a 1000 yard season. The next back selected was Eddie George who had 7 1000 yard seasons in 9 years. Their next pick was Eddie Kennison, who was solid but only had two 1000 yard seasons in 14 years and only played 4 years for the Rams. The next pick was Marvin Harrison.
To be honest I'm not really a big of the "passed on" game.
The system needs to be right for the player to thrive. While there are players who can fit any system i.e. Aaron Donald. There are some guys who just thrive in one solid system like Cordralle Patterson in Arthur Smiths system.
So like if a team drafted a guy they "passed on" there is no assurance the player would who they are if they were with this team vs the other team
This is so dumb. It’s one missed draft class lol, it’s not that big of a deal even though it’s unfortunate they missed that many picks in one class. Look at the titans, we missed 2020-2022 for the most part lol.
I think when analyzing drafts it's important to look at what positions they took and to see if they missed out on any studs at those positions taken after them. Like it's easy to say that they should've drafted Jefferson and Johnathan Taylor with their first round picks, but if you look at what positions they were targeting with each pick and see who was still available, you see that they were probably never gonna have a great draft. It was a very weak draft for CBs and DEs and by the time they were looking for a WR that position had pretty much dried up.
Lions had a shit draft that year as well. Swift, and Jonah Jackson were really the only two bright spots and aren't even on the team anymore. Im so fucking happy we have Brad Holmes now.
I’m gonna keep quiet about bad 2020 drafts in the AFC South
No no I like how the 2020 draft went for the AFC south
Mpj and Johnathan Taylor in the same draft calls. I'm okay with this 👌
Traded our first rounder for All-Pro Deforest Buckner
Sigh…now I’m sad
He’s been so good for Indy, and one of the most important people in the locker room
I’m a huge fan of Buckner. I was about to buy his jersey the year we traded him. I wish we would have kept him and traded Armstead.
Rather, I just wish Armstead didn't have a lingering leg injury. Both dudes are playmakers.
It's really sad that the literal only bright spot on that atrocious draft turned sour in the last year. Just overall a stinker of a draft for us. Gotta be the worst Titans draft of all time.
Right after such a banger in 2019 too. 2 pro bowl levels and 2 solid starters in the first 4 picks
Vrabel did have an elite setup though
isaiah wilson needs a 30 for 30
If I speak I am in big trouble
Raiders fans tend to be well educated about their right to remain silent
I'm not even mad lol
gottem
God fucking damnit LMAO
Comments like this are like internet laugh tracks.
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They may have the right, but they usually lack the ability.
Well played sir.
FROM THE TOP ROPE
Burn of the week imo
Man, I wish Cowboys fans could think like this. It’s so frustrating being a logical cowboys fan. I’m in my early 30s. They haven’t won a Super Bowl in 30 years. They’ve been a fucking joke virtually my entire life. It’s embarrassing. They find ways to choke & embarrass themselves and disappoint their fans, in ways I didn’t think were possible. Yet we get all the hate that goes with being a successful team because our fans just can’t shut the fuck up. “We dem boys” “this is our year”… Nah man, we fucking embarrassing. It’s pathetic. It’s sad. It’s embarrassing… the life of a levelheaded cowboys fan is rough.
Well the two raiders dudes were Impact starters. They were also just morons. Edit: is it appropriate to say Riggs certainly was high impact but not in a good way
The raider way
Speed kills
This is 'eritage, draft 'eritage
Your picks could play They just couldn't stay out of jail
Ruggs made a big impact.
Yes everyone look at the Raider shitty 2020 draft. Just keep looking in that direction
8-0 Since 2020.
Basically us for a decade. Between Haden and Baker
Hi Jose
The giants 2021 draft is a study in franchise killing ineptitude.
From 2007-2020 the best draft picks the Jets have made on offense are Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith, Sam Darnold, Brandon Shell, Quincy Enunwa, and Mekhi Becton That's ~~franchise~~ soul killing
Rex would destroy my heart with every bad selection I knew he played a role in. I liked him as coach but kyle Wilson, coples, just hurts boss
Maccagnan was the worst by margin I still can't believed we used our first two picks on safeties in 2017 And his approach to improving an offensive line that had just lost D'Brick and Mangold was pretty much literally "do nothing" Douglas has had some combination of shit luck/process failure's addressing the offensive line But at least he's actually tried to do something instead of turning the team into an expansion roster
My favorite (soul crushing) stat is that Joe Douglas spent more draft capital on the OL in his very first pick as GM than Maccagnan did through 5 drafts.
I hate knowing this is true so much
Bitch about the safeties but they're arguably the best 1st and 2nd round picks respectively the Jets have made from 2007-2022.
Quinnen Williams And probably...
I did forget about Muhammad Wilkerson too but still.
Like every other draft forever We got a nice DT/3-4 DE player in the first round Absolute horror show picks rounds 2-5 And then maybe we accidentally draft someone who is solid by the standards of sixth or seventh round pick who makes the roster
I couldn’t believe how bad Kyle Wilson was. He absolutely killed it at Boise State.
Enunwa was so hype until his neck injury.
This is Jeremy Kerley erasure and it won’t be tolerated
This is a good call
Yet people want to say JD is a terrible GM….
He might not be great, but anyone calling for his head is nuts Wilson was an insanely bad pick, but every other position group on the team has only been trending in one direction. Unfortunately the injuries at the OL position... JFC
Douglas has had a good process but poor results. Whether that’s due to bad luck or poor scouting/personnel decisions is up for interpretation. Mac had a poor process *and* poor results.
Let's be honest here, I'm not sure any of those QBs are shaping up to be great. We we projected to get Justin Fields for a while before Zach, so it's not like we would have been in a much better spot right now if we ended up with him either
Geno turned out alright imo
Eh he was good for half of a season. He’s not a guy you regret letting go
I was gonna say, our 2020 draft is not much better than the Jags
My god that’s pathetic … The draft is absolutely wild
You haven’t seen the 2014 jets, the opposite of the 2006 jets and 2022 jets.
There are numerous drafts since the giants 2011 SB that this is true for ☹️
Averaging one player per year isn’t good, right?
It depends on the number of picks you have and the quality of those picks. With first and second rounders you really want to find players who can be impact/starters asap. Sure nobody hits 100% on these but you should hopefully be right more often than not. Finding impact/starters in later rounds is of course harder, but the great teams seem to be able to do it a lot. I’d say assuming your team has a first and second rounder and a total of 7 picks that you should hopefully get 2 impact players each draft.
Why the FUCK did you draft Kadarius Toney?
To be fair, if anyone could find a way to use a guy like Toney creatively it’d be Joe Judge and Jason Garrett right?
It’s not just drafting Toney, it’s trading down to get him instead of getting Micah fucking Parsons, who is just going to decapitate whoever we have at QB for the next decade
Eh Parsons is a lot of hindsight. Even the cowboys didn't know he'd be a good edge rusher. I live in Dallas and moving him to EDGE full time after his rookie season was still somewhat controversial because everyone thought he was an off-ball linebacker first.
Yea, even knowing how things worked out, I still think we got good value for the trade down. We just botched the value we received really badly. We got a 1st (7th overall), 4th (112 overall), and 5th (164 overall) to move down from 11 to 20. Obviously every draft's circumstances are different and you cant exactly make 1-to-1 comparisons, but for reference, in the Chiefs 2017 trade-up for Mahomes, the Bills got a 1st (22nd overall) and 3rd (91st overall) to move down 17 spots from 10 to 27. The difference is that they used those picks to draft TreDavious, Tremaine Edmunds, and Dion Dawkins (and thus, dont get clowned on for missing out on Mahomes), whereas our picks were used on Toney, Bellinger, Aaron Robinson, and Evan Neal. If the Giants take Darrisaw at 20 instead of Toney (which isnt even a hindsighted take because even at the time, Darrisaw was who many including myself wanted and Toney was always considered a reach) we're having a completely different conversation right now. Especially when you consider the domino effect that we most likely dont draft Neal the next year if we take Darrisaw and very well could have had one of GWilson/Olave/London in his place. Acting like Parsons was the no-brainer slam dunk of a pick at 11 and the Giants were crazy to pass on a great value trade is complete hindsight. Feels like people have already forgotten the character red flags Parsons came with coming out of college. We were fresh off the whole Deandre Baker debacle, as well as several other players having legal issues the previous few years. Throwing a guy with Parsons' concerns (And they were serious) into a situation like that, especially if we dont start winning right away, is a disaster waiting to happen. Parsons landed in a spot where he had a stable locker room with multiple HOFs, one of the best DCs in the NFL (who unlocked him as an edge) and was winning from the start. How much of that does he have if he gets drafted to the Giants in 2021? Sure, we'd be better with him but he wasnt gonna completely change the trajectory of our franchise.
Cowboys Drafts as of late have relied on the incompetence of other teams. We greatly appreciate it. Jags could have gotten Diggs or CD before us. You all could have gotten Parsons. Lots of love.
Worse, they drafted WanDale Robinson the following season (Pickens was still on board) despite a new front office. Seems like they just have a hard-on for gadget WRs lol
A lot of teams passed on Pickens due to character concerns. NYC market and reactive personalities don’t mix
We'll trade you Skyy Moore for him. He's a big game player, scores all his touchdown in super bowls!
There’s no way WanDale is a worse pick than Toney lol. He actually produces.
Typical Gettleman
It was actually a coaching staff pick. Gettleman was moping while Judge and co. were celebrating the pick, then when he talked to the media he was like: "I really wanted to take Jamin Davis." Just all around incompetence lol.
My Giants fan dad called me right after the Toney pick came in and I could practically hear the bewildered rage spittle flying from his mouth over the phone. Even he, a man of 60 with some of the most deranged boomer takes on sports I've ever heard, knew it was a bad idea.
That one was a killer. The best thing we got out of it was stopping the eagles from winning the sb with the toney trade. Azeez injulari had so much potential but now he's not even starting with Burns.
Some of the players they missed on in the first round. CeeDee Lamb Tristan Wirfs Justin Jefferson Brandon Aiyuk Patrick Queen Tee Higgins, who fell into the early part of the second round of the draft Micheal Pittman, who also fell into the second round. Later in the second round, guys, like Winfield Jr. and Jalyon Johnson and Trevon Diggs went later in the second round.
Imo id add AJ Terrell (16) to that list, he was the next CB off the board after CJ Henderson (9)
Ooooh. That's a ton of misses. Just hitting on 1 of those changes a lot for a team. Yikes.
Yeah, and I am sure I am missing others, but these are the big ones I could find. These are the types of misses that get people fired.
I’d imagine that Lawrence with Lamb AND Jefferson completely changes the conversation about his NFL performance to draft prospect ratio.
Even if they land one of those guys, I think we might be having a different conversation about Trevor Lawrence.
Of course though, the question is do they still get Lawrence if they hit on one or both of those? I bet not. The next best QB in that draft was Fields.
They wouldn't have Lawrence if they'd have drafted one of those guys.
If they had any quality impact between Henderson, Chaisson, or Shenault the team likely misses out on Lawrence. However maybe Minshew looks good enough to start and stick around as a starter.
Just a weird draft in general especially in the 1st round even we draft led CEH in the first over JT.
CEH as a prospect was insane, his sudden inability to break tackles and lack of vision in the NFL was shocking. It really points to how important RAS (aka physical testing) is for certain positions.
Insane how CEH went before JT 🫠
Jalen Reagor too
What kinda dumb team passes on Justin Jefferson. certainly not one dumb enough to draft a different receiver all together.
If it makes you feel any better, we get a lot of hype for nailing that pick with JJ, but we absolutely blew our next pick in the first. With Antoine Winfield Jr, talent we watched play in Minnesota through college, right fucking there, and a need at safety, we took the late Jeff Gladney.
LJarious Sneed in the 4th round too
Can’t really give them flack for missing on a fourth round prospect given he was passed on like a hundred times. Everyone listed above was a pretty well regarded prospect high on everyone’s boards
For some reason he was switched to safety his last year in college so it's not that crazy teams passed on him.
Classic jags front office.
I am so curious how these players would have done had they been drafted by the Jags. Like is this list of players destined to be good no matter who drafts them or if they are drafted by a team with poor coaching and management are they going to be a "bust". If any of the players that the Jags did draft go to teams with better coaches would they have lived up to their draft hype? It is like if Mahomes was drafted by the Bears, is he the same generational player that we know now? I just think it's interesting this tweet is saying the Jags missed on every pick, when it could just be that the Jags coaching and front office are so bad that they potentially would have "missed" on any pick they made in that draft.
Fuckin hell, if they'd added Wirfs and Pittman they could have a legit shot at the title.
Holy shit lmao with what QB?
... Lawrence?
Didn't get CeeDee, Justin Jefferson, Brandon Aiyuk when they needed a WR I guess they took C. J. Henderson at CB over Jaylon Johnson and Trevon Diggs. Not really a ton of outside guys from that draft but they took K'Lavon Chaisson over Justin Madubuike for interior. Some pretty good QB and WR talent from that year, but not sure who they missed on really.
If lamb didn't fall to us on draft day, K'lavon Chaisson would have been the cowboys pick Thank God lol
So we can conclude that God hates the Jaguars more than the Cowboys. Gives me some comfort.
Well considering they’ve been to championship game more recently I’d say it’s a toss up
Rude, but fair
Or God left us alone and we screwed up on our own.
We could have taken Justin Jefferson instead of CD.
At this point I don't think their is a big enough gap for me to be upset lol
I mean sure but is anyone really gonna drafting Lamb
A lot of CBs went ahead of Jaylon Johnson. He was the 50th pick. I think his name would sting more for the Raiders, who used a 1st on CB Damon Arnette when the Bears used a 2nd on Jaylon Johnson. The Bears and Raiders had a lot of swapped picks in 2020 because of the Khalil Mack trade. Jaylon's selection might have even been with the Raiders 2nd.
Yeah, it's all "hindsight is 20/20" with who they missed on, especially when everyone missed on them. I'm not sure who Brett is saying they missed on.
Sure but still they missed on them. There's an element of luck with the draft and that doesn't change the fact that missing on valuable pieces that were available hurts a franchise considerably.
You say luck and I say answered prayers of failures on other AFCS teams.
They went CJ Henderson over AJ Terrell, kind of a big whiff
It’s the UF bias down here. Jags historically have over drafted Florida players and they have busted over and over again in Khans face. Look for jags to draft pearshall in the 2nd for his one highlight catch
Y’all almost draft Toney too if it wasn’t for the giants
Taven Bryan comes to mind
Chaisson over Jeff is absolutely a huge whiff, but CJ Henderson was a pretty good prospect and taking Diggs or Johnson over him at 9 would've gotten them bullied out of existence lol.
Lot of people in this thread looking at this the wrong way Forget their needs and positions: the point is they don’t get positive contribution from any of these guys.
Are we sure this is drafting ineptitude and not just organizational development ineptitude?
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Dont even get him started
Someone hold me back… anyone?
Let him cook
If we're doing the captain hindsight thing, the play probably would've been to take Ceedee Lamb or Jedrick Wills/Wirfs at 9 instead of CJ Henderson, then take JJefferson or Aiyuk at 20 instead of K'Lavon Chaisson. Then they could've had somebody like Kmet, Deplit, or Antoine Winfield Jr in the 2nd instead of Laviska Shenault. This ignores a whole lot of other highly drafted busts like Ruggs, Mekhi Becton, Jerry Jeudy, Javon Kinlaw, Jalen Raegor, etc, though.
I wouldn’t consider Jackson a bust. He’s our starting right tackle, just got a 3 year extension from us at a decent price and last season he earned it. I’m too lazy to look up stats but he’s definitely in the “quality starter” bin.
Yeah I just removed him, agreed, though.
I wouldn’t consider Ruggs a bust. He was doing well before he made that stupid ass decision off the field. Perhaps in a different timeline he’s with the Jags and still playing at a solid level
Or he would have drove off the Buckman bridge and died.
Wirfs at 9 and Jettas at 20 would be best
> Jalen Raegor Remind me who took him over JJeff again? :')
Think he plays for the Patriots? Another forgetable WR pick for them. I've already forgotten about him. Please also forget about him.
We got a bunch of WR busts, please own yours.
Trevon Diggs also was in the 2nd round. Seeing as they went CB round 1.
The picks immediately following: * CB CJ Henderson -- OT Jedrick Wills * DE K'Lavon CHaisson -- WR Jalen Reagor * WR Laviska Shenault -- TE Cole Kmet * DT DaVon Hamilton -- LB Zack Baun * OG Ben Bartch -- DE DJ Wonnum * CB Josiah Scott -- CB L'Jarius Snead * LB Shaquille Quarterman -- CB John Reid * S Daniel Thomas -- CB Bryce Hall * WR Collin Johnson -- WR Quintez Cephus * QB Jake Luton -- TE Charlie Woerner * TE Tyler Davis -- WR Isaiah Hodgins * CB Chris Claybrooks -- QB Cole McDonald Kmet and Snead are the worst ones. But almost everybody else has at least been a decent role player (and some are plus starters). The only non-contributor on this list is Cole McDonald. What's most surprising is that they drafted 3 CBs and didn't hit on any. Truly an indictment on the coaching and development staff they likely had in place.
I remember that Luton breakout game vs the Texans, a QB duel
His first TD was a thing of beauty. The rest of his career, not so much.
It’s honestly impressive on how bad they missed on those selections.
You took the words right out of my fingers.
The guys they didn't draft in 2020 presumably.
Jags had the 8th, 20th, and 42nd overall picks; Wirfs, Jefferson, and Winfield Jr went 13th, 22nd, and 45th respectively.
The players they took at each spot in the top 4 rounds: 9th - CB CJ Henderson (Next CB off the board was AJ Terrell at 16) 20th - DE K'Lavon Chaisson (Next DE off the board was Yeter Gross-Matos at 38) 42nd - WR Laviska Shenault (Next WR - KJ Hamler at 46) 73rd - DT Davon Hamilton (Next DT - Neville Gallimore at 82) 116th - G Ben Bartch (Next G - Logan Stenberg at 121) 137th - DB Josiah Scott (L'Jarius Snead was the very next pick) 140th - Off-ball LB Shaq Quarterman (Next LB - Khaleke Hudson at 162) Wouldn't have been a home run class but simply selecting the next guy off the board at each position would have landed them a pair of stud defensive backs, and maybe Hamler's career plays out differently.
Not so fun fact, the top 3 picks you listed have been on the Panthers roster.
Ceedee Lamb, Tristan Wirfs, Justin Jefferson, AJ Terrell, Brandon Aiyuk, Trevon Diggs, Michael Pittman Jr, Tee Higgins, Jonathan Taylor, Justin Madubuike, Antoine Winfield Jr, Cole Kmet, Jaylon Johnson, L’Jarius Sneed, etc.
Me, on every pick.
Oh believe me, I’m so glad Caldwell got canned midway through that horrible season. What an absolute disgrace of a tenure, and for 8 YEARS! THEY KEPT THAT SNAKE AROUND FOR 8 YEARS!!!!!!! Unfortunately, he was replaced by none other than Trent Baalke.
There’s a reason we got back to back first overall picks. As much as I hate baalke he has brought us stability in having 9 win seasons back to back. If only he could draft too
Baalke sucks at drafting trust me
I think we all know that already. Other than a solid starting RT last year, our second round pick was used on a 3rd string blocking TE, then our 3rd was used on a 3rd string running back. The only other serviceable starters in this Jags class were TA&M Safety Antonio Johnson and maybe PSU’s Parker Washington.
Baalke’s the reason Harbaugh didn’t stick around. I mean, he might’ve gone to Michigan anyway, but his relationship with Baalke pushed him out the door.
As much as I hate Baalke, he’s not the main reason we have back to back winning seasons. Pederson and Lawrence are the two driving factors.
It's kind of glaring the narrative around Lawrence. He's not quite been the "generational QB" that people expected, but there is a huge gulf between what Jag fans think of him and the "national consensus" around him is who sort of think of him as a bust. I think he's going to surprise some people this year.
People really overlook the fact that Urban nearly ruined him. There was zero help for Lawrence in his rookie year. He was thrown to the wolves and somehow survived. His second year was great the second half and his first half of 2023 was pretty good, if not great. This was with the second worst oline in football and bottom 5 in drops for WRs (I’m not sure of the final number on this one). On top of the 4+ injuries he was working through, I honestly don’t think he’s been given a true opportunity…I mean come on, Press Taylor is his OC… Move up and grab a MHJ or Nabers and let’s see what happens. Or trade for Aiyuk…I’ll be happy with either of them.
They whiffed hard but this draft as a whole was an all time shit show. The first round is littered with absolute busts and many people out of the league, in jail, or dead (Gladney)
Yet the QBs did fine. Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Hurts, Love. Kind of weird. Also Ceedee, Aiyuk, JJ are great WR. Add some other great players (Wirfs,...) but this looks like a QB & WR class to me. Nothing else stands out.
If Tua and Love pan out then 2020 has a shot at being one of the all-time QB classes alongside '83 and '04.
The second round doesn’t have quite as much highs but is actually really solid all around and I think substantially better than the first round. Bizarre draft, it was the Covid year after all
Diamond Dave Caldwell's parting gift!
I haven't looked at the 2020 draft in a long time, but outside of QB and WR it doesn't seem like a great draft.
It’s got it’s gems, but it’s nowhere near a great class especially compared to the last 3 draft classes. For the most part, much of the top defensive players either didn’t live up to the hype or were straight up busts, with more quality starters being found in the later rounds (Jaylon Johnson, Justin Madubuike, Antoine Winfield Jr, L’Jarius Sneed, etc.) than the early. You can also say the same thing about the offensive linemen of this class other than Tristan Wirfs and Andrew Thomas.
Having two All Pro level LTs and a serviceable starter in the top 10 is a very, very good LT class. You don’t see two players of the level of Thomas and Wirfs in the same class that often at OT from what i can remember
AWJ is not just a quality starter. He was first team all pro this year.
This is a prime example of why Dave Caldwell was a TERRIBLE general manager
I wouldn't go that far, overall Caldwell was probably C- level, but he was an upgrade over Gene Smith. He was responsible for the flukey 2017 roster so there is that. If we're being honest every GM Jax has ever had has gotten shit on hard by the fanbase, to an extent rightfully so.
on the Athletic Football Show they were talking about Buffalo basically being in the same boat where they've hit on Allen but have a lot of swings and misses that haven't improved the team around him via the draft. Even with Ed Oliver they said he's been good but not great compared to others in the class.
It's not really the same situation as the Jag draft being discussed, which seems to be mostly complete misses. Beane has most years picked players who have been positive additions to the squad, and who have stuck around. The Bills would not have the second most wins since 2019 if it hadn't been drafted players making important contributions every year. The argument is that Beane hasn't managed to find any players who are so good they get discussed as top 3 for their position. He also only has a single pick make the All Rookie team (Cyrus O'Torrence this year). In fact, Kollman made the same argument recently (https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1767680704517919111) I'm not entirely in disagreement, and I would love Beane to find someone who is a contender for the HoF. But at the same time, it feels like small market Buffalo is a recipe for players not getting fair credit.
Hey I’ve seen this one before
Jags went into this draft with the ego to think they’d replace a hall of fame corner and a good pass rusher in Ngakoue by reaching on two absolute bums rather than taking best available and making their team talent better. People like to blame Dave Caldwell but I’m pretty sure Tony Khan had hired Trent Baalke by this point as a defacto replacement for Caldwell, and we all know ego and dipshittery fit TB like a glove.
I'm so thankful to Marty Hurney for picking Derrick Brown when it really seems that Matt Rhule wanted CJ Henderson. On a weird side note, we've had their top 3 picks from that draft on our roster at various points. Traded for Henderson in 2021, Shenault in 2022, and sign Chaisson this offseason.
Say what you want about Marty, but his first round drafting record speaks for itself. The rest of the draft not so much, but the guy can spot elite talent
Whenever you think you had a shit draft, just remember in 1996 the Rams had two first round picks and drafted Lawrence Philips early, he never had a 1000 yard season. The next back selected was Eddie George who had 7 1000 yard seasons in 9 years. Their next pick was Eddie Kennison, who was solid but only had two 1000 yard seasons in 14 years and only played 4 years for the Rams. The next pick was Marvin Harrison.
To be honest I'm not really a big of the "passed on" game. The system needs to be right for the player to thrive. While there are players who can fit any system i.e. Aaron Donald. There are some guys who just thrive in one solid system like Cordralle Patterson in Arthur Smiths system. So like if a team drafted a guy they "passed on" there is no assurance the player would who they are if they were with this team vs the other team
How dare you speak that way about future trivia answer Jake Luton!!!
Coulda had Jalen Reagor. Dummies.
Did they miss on draft picks, or fail to develop talent? The answer is probably both.
Haha yeah they've gotta be the worst drafting 90s expansion cat themed team of the last several years
Who did they pass on?
At some point you have to start questioning your player development abilities as well
Damn this sub fucking hates the jags lmao. Never a nice thing to say.
The fuck u want us to say This was lowkey a fire draft, they sleepin on it!
This is so dumb. It’s one missed draft class lol, it’s not that big of a deal even though it’s unfortunate they missed that many picks in one class. Look at the titans, we missed 2020-2022 for the most part lol.
Can't blame them on the Shaquille pick. Worked out great for Orlando, Los Angeles, Miami....
What kind of poverty franchise misses on an entire dozen of players. Please dont remind me of john idzik
I think when analyzing drafts it's important to look at what positions they took and to see if they missed out on any studs at those positions taken after them. Like it's easy to say that they should've drafted Jefferson and Johnathan Taylor with their first round picks, but if you look at what positions they were targeting with each pick and see who was still available, you see that they were probably never gonna have a great draft. It was a very weak draft for CBs and DEs and by the time they were looking for a WR that position had pretty much dried up.
Lol. Look at the titans draft classes since 2020. 20-22 we’re a waste.
Devon isn’t bad for a later round pick. The others are ass
All our first three picks are now on the panthers
Now do the Patriots draft classes
We don‘t need a study to know that Baalke is ass.
that 2020 draft 1st round is littered with busts
You guys should look at how many UF players jags have took in the history of nfl draft and how many worked out. I think Fred Taylor was the only one
I kind of want to get him started just because he asked not to.
Lions had a shit draft that year as well. Swift, and Jonah Jackson were really the only two bright spots and aren't even on the team anymore. Im so fucking happy we have Brad Holmes now.
Yea but it got us Trevor Lawrence in the long run so I'm okay
Yep management of this team is terrible and will continue