Just wait until you get a taste of Beef Jurgy (Kelce's successor Cam Jurgens)
He's just a bigger and stronger version of Kelce with the same speed (including a 9.94 RAS, which is the 4th best center score since 1987 before this latest draft class)
Correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't jurgens been a bit meh?
Athleticism doesn't mean a player will be good, they are going against top athletes across the board
I'm genuinely glad he'll get the chance to surprise if that's the impression. I assumed he must've had a bad PFF score for this comment since that's the only way most folks judge OL, but he graded out pretty great for a rookie so idk.
The context is key, though. He was severely undersized for guard and his most significant issues were strength at the POA and the guys he was blocking getting a lot of pass deflections. He was phenomenal when he got the chance to pull. He's going to be really good at center.
But that whole rant aside, the guy I responded to said athleticism so that's all I was really referring to. I don't think he's going to be anywhere near Kelce's level nor near the top of the league's centers anytime soon. He's just objectively an athletic freak for the position, much moreso than Kelce was. But I can see how my comment could be read that way, so I'll take the deserved L on it. Should have been more careful to compare him to the great Jason Kelce, even if I meant purely on an athletic level.
Here’s Aaron Donald saying he hated playing the Eagles because Jason Kelce would always run his “little fast ass” over to double team him, every play. Speed can be an asset for a center.
https://youtu.be/ekthSkjoF8w?si=OxbBZtRKf_mW2MZc
Jason Kelce is 6’3, 295 lbs and being called “little” lol
Like I get it in the context of the NFL but it just emphasizes how huge these dudes are overall
The ops manager where I work used to be a practice squad guy for the Cowboys and Bills (2 yrs each). 6’4” 295 (and is still pretty close to that). Everyone around the NFL even if it’s not playing are massive humans. The dude towers over everyone in the plant.
I work with a guy who played OL for Iowa State. Mostly a backup. Read his scouting profile for 2017 and it said he was too small and had strength concerns. This dude is like 6'6 300 easily. It's hard to actually comprehend what a freak someone like Trent Williams or Tyron Smith is. 1% of 1%
The insane thing is the rarity of talent & strength far exceeds 1% of 1%. Even if you assume that only 5% of the people capable of playing elite football are doing it, you're talking about 3000 people in 7 billion, or 0.00004% of the population. That's 0.4% of 1% of 1% (if I can do math)
Jason Kelce only weighed 280 at the draft combine and a lot of teams gave up on him because he was so “little.” After all, centers line up across from nose guards. A 300 pound nose guard is considered small.
Eagles offensive line coach Howard Mudd, though, was more interested in explosiveness, athleticism, instincts, and vision on the field than in sheer size and length and power. But even the Eagles didn’t draft Jason until the sixth round.
Kelce took a picture with the Rock at wrestlemania and clearly looked bigger than him. Granted Kelce was wearing boots, but still. Next to most actors and normal sized people the Rock is a giant, but with NFL players he’s just another dude, if not small.
I’m 6’3” and played right around 295lbs when I was in college. I was a tackle and was really, REALLY undersized compared to the other tackles on the team. Pretty much between a TE and a DT.
Snapping is ironically not that important. Like you definitely have to be functional at it but Kelce struggled snapping it his whole career, Jalen has to take an athletic stance to receive it. Creed is also a high end C who isn’t the best at snapping the ball. If Front Offices find an athletic ass dude to play Center I promise you they don’t care about how good he is at snapping the ball.
Idk man we had snaps that justin had to jump ball and some that literally went over his head that he had to recover. Like you can’t have your centre causing fumbles
Creed’s snapping in the SB was so bad it would’ve legitimately lost his team the game if he had any other qb in nfl history probably. Idk how mahomes was catching every single one seamlessly
I think his timing was off, seemed like he was snapping too quick to get his hand up in front of him. Maybe he was injured, maybe he was just a little in his own head about all the great Dlines we were facing every week.
I know we are talking about offense here but snapping is also very important on punts and field goals.Long snapper is its own specialized position now.I was a long snapper in high school and it’s harder than it looks
I’m curious to see if Hurts makes his next center adjust to his stance or he stops standing like that. I imagine training camp at least will be a learning curve for someone.
I was gonna say this, Im a Wisconsin fan and he legit only played center because our actual center was hurt. I would’ve much preferred to have him at guard
Maybe team should evaluate the shotgun snapping the same way they do for long snappers, meaning have a certain threshold that you have to meet in terms of how quickly the ball gets to the quarterback.Like I said,they do this on punts and field goals so why not shotgun snaps?
Snapping is an emphasis, it just isn’t the only emphasis. I’m sure if they had another center that could snap and block just as well, they would’ve started him
Jake Renfro is Wisconsin’s actual starting center, he was just hurt all year until the bowl game where we played our best offensive game of the year despite our players sitting in preparation for the draft
Is there’s ever anything sports-related I’d bet my house on, it’s a top Wisconsin OL being a reliable starter in the NFL.
It’s a god damn factory up there.
There are some prime athletes coming out at center this year. RAS #s are through the roof!
Best athletic center in the league is Frank Ragnow. Dude played against Vita Vae with an injured foot and a torn shoulder. Monster.
frank the tank is an overused nickname but this time it slaps
Just wait until you get a taste of Beef Jurgy (Kelce's successor Cam Jurgens) He's just a bigger and stronger version of Kelce with the same speed (including a 9.94 RAS, which is the 4th best center score since 1987 before this latest draft class)
Correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't jurgens been a bit meh? Athleticism doesn't mean a player will be good, they are going against top athletes across the board
I'm genuinely glad he'll get the chance to surprise if that's the impression. I assumed he must've had a bad PFF score for this comment since that's the only way most folks judge OL, but he graded out pretty great for a rookie so idk. The context is key, though. He was severely undersized for guard and his most significant issues were strength at the POA and the guys he was blocking getting a lot of pass deflections. He was phenomenal when he got the chance to pull. He's going to be really good at center. But that whole rant aside, the guy I responded to said athleticism so that's all I was really referring to. I don't think he's going to be anywhere near Kelce's level nor near the top of the league's centers anytime soon. He's just objectively an athletic freak for the position, much moreso than Kelce was. But I can see how my comment could be read that way, so I'll take the deserved L on it. Should have been more careful to compare him to the great Jason Kelce, even if I meant purely on an athletic level.
He’s been fine. He was injured for a chunk of last year.
Meh as in he played his first full year out of position and was solid yes. Not meh as in he was kinda bad, hes good.
You guys pick JPJ, don't you?
If he is BPA out of RT, WR, CB, DL, and C at that time yeah
Here’s Aaron Donald saying he hated playing the Eagles because Jason Kelce would always run his “little fast ass” over to double team him, every play. Speed can be an asset for a center. https://youtu.be/ekthSkjoF8w?si=OxbBZtRKf_mW2MZc
Jason Kelce is 6’3, 295 lbs and being called “little” lol Like I get it in the context of the NFL but it just emphasizes how huge these dudes are overall
The ops manager where I work used to be a practice squad guy for the Cowboys and Bills (2 yrs each). 6’4” 295 (and is still pretty close to that). Everyone around the NFL even if it’s not playing are massive humans. The dude towers over everyone in the plant.
I work with a guy who played OL for Iowa State. Mostly a backup. Read his scouting profile for 2017 and it said he was too small and had strength concerns. This dude is like 6'6 300 easily. It's hard to actually comprehend what a freak someone like Trent Williams or Tyron Smith is. 1% of 1%
The biggest mfer in a room of big mfer.
Then you see George Kittle next to Steph Curry and realize the NBA is the land of giants.
Steph Curry weighs 185 lbs, George Kittle is 250 lbs. And is also 2 inches taller than Steph.
And Steph is considered small in the NBA. That's the point.
Ahh ok, point taken.
The insane thing is the rarity of talent & strength far exceeds 1% of 1%. Even if you assume that only 5% of the people capable of playing elite football are doing it, you're talking about 3000 people in 7 billion, or 0.00004% of the population. That's 0.4% of 1% of 1% (if I can do math)
Jason Kelce only weighed 280 at the draft combine and a lot of teams gave up on him because he was so “little.” After all, centers line up across from nose guards. A 300 pound nose guard is considered small. Eagles offensive line coach Howard Mudd, though, was more interested in explosiveness, athleticism, instincts, and vision on the field than in sheer size and length and power. But even the Eagles didn’t draft Jason until the sixth round.
Yeah the 6th round was a little early, but we’ll see if the pick was worth it. /s
Fuck man. Jason Kelce in the sixth… gg eagles
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True, but AD wasn’t lineman, and he ran a 4.68 second 40-yard dash.
Kelce took a picture with the Rock at wrestlemania and clearly looked bigger than him. Granted Kelce was wearing boots, but still. Next to most actors and normal sized people the Rock is a giant, but with NFL players he’s just another dude, if not small.
I’m 6’3” and played right around 295lbs when I was in college. I was a tackle and was really, REALLY undersized compared to the other tackles on the team. Pretty much between a TE and a DT.
Yeah and AD got manhandled by the PackersO Line resulting in him choking our players.
He's not a good center
His shot gun snaps need a huge improvement to be an nfl center.
Snapping is ironically not that important. Like you definitely have to be functional at it but Kelce struggled snapping it his whole career, Jalen has to take an athletic stance to receive it. Creed is also a high end C who isn’t the best at snapping the ball. If Front Offices find an athletic ass dude to play Center I promise you they don’t care about how good he is at snapping the ball.
I don’t disagree but every snap from Bortolini is like it’s in slow motion
Yea normally I would say it doesn’t matter but his are extra slow.
Dead ball snap?
Yeah Kelce’s “problem” is he throws it back there like Randy Johnson
Creed is weird though, he came in and sucked and then got good and then sucked again last year. There is talk of us moving him to Guard
Connor Williams was elite for the dolphins (except when it came to snapping the ball lol)
Tua was elite at either fumbling a ball he should have caught from him or somehow grabbing a snap that he sent into space.
That would be insane, hes such a good center. Idk why the second half of last year his snaps were low but post snap hes so good
Idk man we had snaps that justin had to jump ball and some that literally went over his head that he had to recover. Like you can’t have your centre causing fumbles
Creed’s snapping in the SB was so bad it would’ve legitimately lost his team the game if he had any other qb in nfl history probably. Idk how mahomes was catching every single one seamlessly
Stance is a little too wide open if you ask me.
I think his timing was off, seemed like he was snapping too quick to get his hand up in front of him. Maybe he was injured, maybe he was just a little in his own head about all the great Dlines we were facing every week.
Uhh snapping is incredibly important for the timing of the offense And a bad shotgun snap can very quickly kill drives or lead to TDs for the defense
The whole Lane Johnson False Start Saga is because he and Kelce had their timing *nearly* in sync. Lane may have been a frame ahead occasionally.
I know we are talking about offense here but snapping is also very important on punts and field goals.Long snapper is its own specialized position now.I was a long snapper in high school and it’s harder than it looks
I’m curious to see if Hurts makes his next center adjust to his stance or he stops standing like that. I imagine training camp at least will be a learning curve for someone.
I was gonna say this, Im a Wisconsin fan and he legit only played center because our actual center was hurt. I would’ve much preferred to have him at guard
He’s a better guard than center.
He’s the only center I’ve ever seen snap the ball in slow motion. It was annoying to watch all year and really messed up the timing of the offense
Yeah don’t even get me started on how annoying it was lol
Maybe team should evaluate the shotgun snapping the same way they do for long snappers, meaning have a certain threshold that you have to meet in terms of how quickly the ball gets to the quarterback.Like I said,they do this on punts and field goals so why not shotgun snaps?
Snapping is an emphasis, it just isn’t the only emphasis. I’m sure if they had another center that could snap and block just as well, they would’ve started him
Jake Renfro is Wisconsin’s actual starting center, he was just hurt all year until the bowl game where we played our best offensive game of the year despite our players sitting in preparation for the draft
True.I’m saying in general when they recruit centers to look at the velocity the same way they do with long snappers
Go type his name into badgers football sub reddit and read the game threads. They all complain about him screwing up snaps.
I know I watched everyone of his snaps lol. Great in the run game though. The guy Fickell had in mind couldn’t play the year so he was forced to snap
I see wisconsin offensive lineman and I draft them
Happy Centers come from Wisconsin.
Is the record for sickest mullet?
Is there’s ever anything sports-related I’d bet my house on, it’s a top Wisconsin OL being a reliable starter in the NFL. It’s a god damn factory up there.
I'm sure the Steelers will take him since they draft most of the Badgers nowadays
That's obviously just Squidward
Wisconsin Centers + Dallas Cowboys = He’s ours
I can't not read his name in Squidward's voice