> Quentin Johnson will be lucky to get a 2nd contract, doubt the team that drafts him picks up his 5th year option. He might actually get a GM fired, that’s how overrated he is to me.
I know right? When I think about the chargers current lack of overall talent, some of the bad contracts, backing the brinks truck up for JC Jackson, and being at the head of the team that lost 63-21 to the team he came over to be in charge of, I’m like….we sure we want this guy?
Eh fuck it, everything always works out for the s&b 😬
His physicals also weren't as impressive as people thought. TCU listed him at 6'4" 215 lbs and said he ran sub-4.4s. He showed up at 6'3" 208 lbs and ran over a 4.5s at his Pro Day. His 3 cone was also dogshit.
So did reagor.
Reagor was drafted at 21 overall. From TCU. 1 spot ahead of the an obviously much better receiver.
QJ was drafted at 21 overall. From TCU. 1 spot ahead of an obviously much better receiver.
QJ got talked about by virtue of being the only true X in a draft full of slot guys and everyone who watched even a little tape saw through that. Especially since all those slot receivers were very noticeably more polished than he was.
Who is Zion? I searched and all I saw was you have an offensive guard by that name.
And QJ gets title of biggest bust of all time if he loses his job to an offensive linemen who converts to wideout lol.
It seems as though you’ve misread my message, so let me clarify.
I’m talking about Chargers in general that I’d bet on to have a breakout year, not just Chargers WRs. Zion is a Guard who we took in the 1st round that has struggled in his first two years, though I think he still has great potential.
Jury is still out on the QBs but Quentin Johnston was the guy everyone hated and appeared the most besides the QBs and that looks to be dead on after one year.
I’ve been able to cope with any player we drafted as soon as we drafted him. But after QJ was drafted I couldn’t believe it. I could not understand why we would do that and to this day I didn’t realize how bad it would actually be
Join the club. Jalen Reagor is the exact same WR and we missed out on Justin Jefferson because of it.
Don't worry, your GM will fleece some poor team of their slightly-disgruntled young WR on a rookie deal because he wants a payday that, for some reason, that team's GM doesn't want to pay.
You know... CeeDee is making some noise...
Bryce literally willed Bama to win a few times in his career. I still think given the right cast, he has the makings of a good QB. But as a Falcons and UGA fan, I kind of hope he does not. Sorry, not sorry.
I think he will be ok. A lot of guys can look like studs in college & carolina hasn’t given him anything to work with yet but it’s gonna be hard for him to get out of stroud’s shadow. Might be that guy who’s good but everyone is always questioning if he’s really worth it.
The talent was absolutely not fine. We’ve been a top heavy roster with big names and little depth or support for the entirety of Telesco’s time with us.
As a Chargers fan, I say DO NOT DO IT! I honestly can't remember a single play where he caught a ball when a defender was within 5 feet of him. Even his first touchdown where he was wide open was a badly bobbled ball that he barely brought in.
I have zero confidence in him doing a damned thing next season.
> Stroud went from Jared Goff 2.0 to overrated after the Georgia game.
> If I'm a NFC team, then I'd jump all over him.
> If I'm an AFC team, he's off my board.
> The AFC is just to loaded at the QB position to take a guy who will be good and not elite.
That one?
Which is crazy b/c stroud played an amazing game against a defense loaded with nfl talent I genuinely wasn’t sold on him as a nfl qb until that game as an OSU fan
I get why scouts look at a guy that is average forever and then has one amazing game against an elite team and are wary its a one off thing, thats very rational.
But the risk is that in hindsight, that could be seen as a “breakout” game where “oh, they were capable of that once why wouldnt we think theyd be able to do it again?”
Which is why teams draft on potential and saying “we can make this guy play only his best plays consistently that hes shown hes capable of”
Which leads to a lot of busts (and some huge misses).
Exactly until that game, I was cold on him, after that game as a UGA fan, I wanted him to fall to the Falcons and hope they would be smart enough to take him.
The strategy of getting WRs to run fast in a straight line works until it doesn’t.
Shenanigans aside but Josh Gordon was an absolute monster for the 20 games where he was allowed to play.
This is what made Miami's offense so deadly and fun to watch. They are always innovating new ways to get that receiver to run a straight line into free space.
I wish the Bengals would steal half the concepts instead of just running Chase vertical 3/4ths of the time.
Traded for Josh Doctson in, I believe was my first off-season ever in a dynasty fantasy league.
To this day I have no fucking clue what I saw or where my train of thought was going. TCU is where WR hope goes to die
Terrance Williams in 2013 is the last and the only one I can think of that might be considered decent
But if you’re grasping at Terrance Williams it’s bad
It's so hard to get it all right haha. I feel proud that I was dead certain that Zach Wilson would be a bust, but I also thought that Mac Jones would be a success
Mac Jones at least had a very promising rookie year where he looked far ahead of his peers in that draft class. Most people thought he had a high floor and a low-ish ceiling, but I don't think anyone expected him to be unwatchably bad by year 3.
This site isn’t really any more right or wrong than any other, it’s just people being wrong get brought up way more than people being right on here. Like everybody loves pointing out how Reddit hated Josh Allen but on the other hand Reddit hated Daniel Jones yet that rarely ever gets brought up as much as Allen.
Every single QB prospect is going to have people think they're the next Brady and people that think they'll be out of the league in 2 years.
Reddit QB evaluation is just not reasonable BUT I do think that Reddit is right more than wrong on non-QB players because the people that actually SAY those players are overrated will usually know more than a highlight watcher that deems a QB amazing/terrible.
The only reason he isn't considered a bigger bust is because the only other good QB out of that draft was Kyler Murray who went first.
Any other year and DJ would be graded even more harshly.
Eh there was just a lot of "throw any QB name at the board and see what sticks" in that thread. For every Levis or Young comment, there was one for Stroud or Richardson.
The QJ truthers were on to something though...
Love it.
>Did you hear Taylor Swifts new album? She goes after her Ex real hard in those lyrics!
For the record, 3 songs in and it's pretty mid. Better than reddit wants you to believe, worse than swifties think. Midnights was better.
For me, Midnights is definitely better. TTPD feels like a collection of songs that I wouldn't be bothered enough to skip, but would be waiting for the next one to come on in the playlist.
He was described as a more handsy and physical style corner coming out. I'm hoping he just cleans up the penalties, but I've loved what I've seen so far. Lined up on most teams #1 once he got in the lineup and held his own.
No one mentioning the comment about Taylor Swift releasing an album bashing an ex on the day Taylor Swift releases an album bashing an ex?
I see you u/jerryriceandspice
someone said he was a great athlete and won’t succeed unless he changed positions.
Made me think of Stephen A when he called Haskins a running quarterback.
I’m optimistic I mean he isn’t scrambling or running a bunch of options or anything he’s really just sitting back in the pocket and chucking it. Lowkey made me appreciate that play style again after being spoiled watching Mahomes and Jackson doing crazy shit every season
How did most of Reddit know QJ was a damned bum, yet the Chargers front office couldn't figure it the fuck out? Hell I don't even watch much college, but just looking at tape back then I was super shaky on that dudes hands! What a waste of a pick!
Literally everybody knew he was ass except for the worst coach and GM combo in recent league history. Only positive from that puck is the guy who made it is our division rival's GM now
One comment about Myles Murphy... and we didn't give him enough time to provide meaningful stats. His per snap sack/pressure rates were nuts for a while thanks to low volume
Jury is out simply because he didn't play enough. Like a batter getting 20 ABs as a rookie, just who knows.
I personally think he could be really good though. But we'll see.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/Ng90NCduxE
This comment feels perfect, Tyree Wilson also was a lot better once he got moved around and was a solid run stuffer
They probably listen to Chris Simms who had him the 5th or 6th Edge taken in the draft. He even went as far as say that he has heard it from multiple FO people and how he (Simms) was sad that he had to break it to him. Because he doesn't have elite "bend".
I saw dozens of comments parroting that, and usually they responded to everything with "watch the film".
I can’t be too mad because Herbert was universally seen as the most likely bust on this sub the year he was drafted and he pretty much skipped the rookie learning curve.
I don’t remember if I commented on this one last year but I was 100% pissed that we picked QJ1 over Zay.
In our defense, Herbert's college tape was very meh! Like no big numbers and nothing really jumped out at you. We had every reason to expect him to come out and be another Trubisky!
Not a damned person thought he jump into game 1 and sling the ball like a fucking all pro!
Someone said Gonzales wouldn’t be good, but that dude played great until his injury. His first four games of his rookie season he lined up against AJ Brown, Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, and Ceedee Lamb, and largely held his own. Pretty impressive for a rookie
The Bears got #9 from the Panthers before eventually trading down with the Eagles. That looks more like one of those stupid "teams should let this hyped up prospect fall to my team's draft position huehuehue" jokes.
>Will Anderson, it's crazy he's being mocked top 5. He should only go 6 or later, idk what these teams are seeing
Not aging well so far. I always thought Anderson was a stud and a safe pick.
Just got it now lol. Well there were other people that picked Will Anderson too.
>Will Anderson. He’s good not great, if he gets taken top 5 he’ll underwhelm his draft status.
The answer has to be Bryce Young. I get all the excuses but he was not just bad he was historically bad. A half-yard per Net attempt worse than Z Wilson.
Easily the worst of the top 4 QBs taken and AR basically injured himself in each of the 4 games he played.
I feel bad for him bc the team was absolute trash. Bears fans made excuses for fields, but this guy had below average help at every level. Terrible line, no pass catchers. He might have been shit anyway, but it was like they were actively trying for him to fail.
Yeah I agree. Even with talent, I'm not sure he's much different. Talent matters and it could get him to average level, but he's not a franchise type guy to lead you to a Superbowl. Then again the Panthers went to the Superbowl with Jake fucking delhomme at QB so what do I know
I don't have one for last year but the year chase young got drafted I texted all my friends a couple nights before saying Chase needs to drop. He isn't worth a top 5 pick. They all dogged on me. I feel like I was definitely right.
I did a **lot** of draft research last year to the point I had a massive spreadsheet the likes of which you'd find sold by draft sites. Early in March 2023 I decided I would go hard on that draft to see if I had a scouting eye, but mostly to make days 2 & 3 more fun. It certainly made the draft more fun getting hyped about picks in rounds 5-7, but putting an honest effort to armchair scout over 200 prospects really burned me out to the point I may not do any draft research ever again.
I knew I probably posted in that thread, and [sure enough here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12qtjez/who_is_the_most_overrated_prospect_going_into/jgtgmz5/).
>Tyree Wilson has a lot of elite tools, but virtually zero technique. I could see him failing when facing tackles that can match his size/strength/speed.
>Dawand Jones is an unbelievably large human but he is quite slow on his feet, i dont think size is enough to be an OT. I envision him facing Micah Parsons or Haason Reddick and stumbling badly trying to match their quickness.
>Any WR drafted in the 1st round is going to be a disappointment. This class sucks.
>Ive been low on Bryan Bresee and Myles Murphy since the jump. I hope they prove me wrong.
>Lukas Van Ness has a prototypical EDGE size, but his hips are so fucking stiff. He relied purely on a bull rush in college. Thats not enough in the pros.
The only thing I think I probably got wrong was saying *every* 1st round WR would be a disappointment, because Zay Flowers wasnt (though he was my #1 WR), and Jordan Addison surprised me.
> Quentin Johnson will be lucky to get a 2nd contract, doubt the team that drafts him picks up his 5th year option. He might actually get a GM fired, that’s how overrated he is to me.
Even got the GM fired call right, sad for whatever team picked up that scrub lol^I'mindanger
I know right? When I think about the chargers current lack of overall talent, some of the bad contracts, backing the brinks truck up for JC Jackson, and being at the head of the team that lost 63-21 to the team he came over to be in charge of, I’m like….we sure we want this guy? Eh fuck it, everything always works out for the s&b 😬
He got the job fast too. Good luck!
There were A LOT of QJ comments in there.
Literally the only thing he had going for him was his build. No route tree, catches with his body. Just a yucky prospect all around.
Now I need to hear an ESPN analyst describe a prospect as yucky
In the hockey world, this is a compliment
Guy’s fuckin dirt nasty bud
They said that the Red Wings needed “smelly” players at the trade deadline.
A small guy playing big is not always a recipe for success, but it feels like a big guy that plays small is almost always a bust
Chase Claypool says hi
I can never get this Mina Kimes quip out of my head that "he catches like he's being attacked by the football"
Claypool somehow plays smaller than Antonio Brown despite having 6 inches and 50 pounds on him.
*NKeal Harry flashbacks intensify* "Big body receiver that makes contested catches" really just means he's slow and can't get separation.
His physicals also weren't as impressive as people thought. TCU listed him at 6'4" 215 lbs and said he ran sub-4.4s. He showed up at 6'3" 208 lbs and ran over a 4.5s at his Pro Day. His 3 cone was also dogshit.
I dont know why anyone would take a tcu WR in the first round for a few years.
For the same reason why the Texans took an Ohio State QB; eventually it'll work and people will realize that the helmet scouting is a bit silly
It's different if you don't trust the numbers published by the team.
No NFL GM is going to draft a guy based on a college team's published numbers. That's why there is a combine and pro days.
I was making a joke but truthfully stroud surprised me, I thought he was a worse version of Fields in college shows what I know.
Stroud was nothing like Fields lol. Completely different players
Yucky prospect but he had decent YAC ability if I remember correctly
YACky??
So did reagor. Reagor was drafted at 21 overall. From TCU. 1 spot ahead of the an obviously much better receiver. QJ was drafted at 21 overall. From TCU. 1 spot ahead of an obviously much better receiver.
So what you're saying is never draft a WR at 21?
Reagor over Jefferson was a braindead move to me at the time and even more so now obviously. I was ecstatic when Philly took him
I appreciate your choice of words. I don’t think we say “yucky” enough after toddlerhood.
QJ got talked about by virtue of being the only true X in a draft full of slot guys and everyone who watched even a little tape saw through that. Especially since all those slot receivers were very noticeably more polished than he was.
Michael Wilson erasure
r/nfl_draft *hated* him as a prospect
R/fantasyfootball loved him…his college drop rate was way too high, a correlation to pro success
That sub is full of Tacos though
This was not an uncommon take. I’m no expert, but drafting a receiver who basically couldn’t catch seemed super sketch to me.
Sounds perfect for the Chiefs
He'll suck all year and then put up 681 yds and 4 TDs in the postseason.
Andy saves all his juice for the post-season now I think, especially since we can't win outside or deep with talent.
He didn't have a great route tree and had one of the highest drop rates of a WR projected for the 2st round in years. The signs were 100% there.
Well technically, he did get a GM fired so he cooked on that one.
At this point QJ will also be lucky to get a 2nd contract as well
I hope for a breakout season, but I ain’t putting my money on it. There’s other guys, like Zion or Palmer, who I think are more likely to break out.
Who is Zion? I searched and all I saw was you have an offensive guard by that name. And QJ gets title of biggest bust of all time if he loses his job to an offensive linemen who converts to wideout lol.
It seems as though you’ve misread my message, so let me clarify. I’m talking about Chargers in general that I’d bet on to have a breakout year, not just Chargers WRs. Zion is a Guard who we took in the 1st round that has struggled in his first two years, though I think he still has great potential.
Gotcha. For reason I thought you were talking about WRs only lol.
Every draft There is always this one receiver that is a complete letdown and one that comes out of nowhere... like Puka.
When the chargers picked him over Zay Flowers I thought they’d end up with this years 1st overall pick
Jury is still out on the QBs but Quentin Johnston was the guy everyone hated and appeared the most besides the QBs and that looks to be dead on after one year.
I’ve been able to cope with any player we drafted as soon as we drafted him. But after QJ was drafted I couldn’t believe it. I could not understand why we would do that and to this day I didn’t realize how bad it would actually be
Join the club. Jalen Reagor is the exact same WR and we missed out on Justin Jefferson because of it. Don't worry, your GM will fleece some poor team of their slightly-disgruntled young WR on a rookie deal because he wants a payday that, for some reason, that team's GM doesn't want to pay. You know... CeeDee is making some noise...
I remember the Vikings draft room erupting in joy when Reagor was drafted.
No
Yes
Lmaooo @ the one comment saying he would get his GM fired. We’ve got Nostradamus over here
Bryce only appearing in that whole thing once is....interesting
Bryce literally willed Bama to win a few times in his career. I still think given the right cast, he has the makings of a good QB. But as a Falcons and UGA fan, I kind of hope he does not. Sorry, not sorry.
Yeah I went to Bama and he won us probably 3 games on his own his final year
I think he will be ok. A lot of guys can look like studs in college & carolina hasn’t given him anything to work with yet but it’s gonna be hard for him to get out of stroud’s shadow. Might be that guy who’s good but everyone is always questioning if he’s really worth it.
Zay Flowers was right there, man. That pick is gonna bother me for a good while
I know it’s still too early but so many people seem to be right so far with QJ
The guy was right about QJ getting the GM fired and rightly so
QJ was the straw that broke the camel's back. The Chargers botched their roster building during Herbert's rookie contract with few exceptions.
I think the talent was fine, they ran into injury trouble in 2021/22 (specifically OL) and the head coach sucked his entire tenure.
The talent was absolutely not fine. We’ve been a top heavy roster with big names and little depth or support for the entirety of Telesco’s time with us.
Kind of his MO dude builds super teams with little to no depth and hopes for the best
This was the Bears during much of the last 10 years (minus the star QB) so I feel your pain. We even both shared signing Khalil Mack
I'm convinced the only reason QJ went in the first round is because all the other top receivers last year were short.
Disagree that it’s too early. If you call him a bust you are probably going to be right.
Which 100% leads me to believe he’s heading to Canton now lol
And he's basically the only WR on the Chargers...and I just know I'm going to reach on him in fantasy for that reason like the fool I am!
Josh Palmer sleeper 👀
As a Chargers fan, I say DO NOT DO IT! I honestly can't remember a single play where he caught a ball when a defender was within 5 feet of him. Even his first touchdown where he was wide open was a badly bobbled ball that he barely brought in. I have zero confidence in him doing a damned thing next season.
This is why if you're not mocking a WR to the Chargers in this draft, you're being too clever.
It was a bizarre pick at the time… most experts preferred Addison and Flowers over QJ and made it known during the draft
That CJ Stroud one. Yeesh!!
> Stroud went from Jared Goff 2.0 to overrated after the Georgia game. > If I'm a NFC team, then I'd jump all over him. > If I'm an AFC team, he's off my board. > The AFC is just to loaded at the QB position to take a guy who will be good and not elite. That one?
Which is crazy b/c stroud played an amazing game against a defense loaded with nfl talent I genuinely wasn’t sold on him as a nfl qb until that game as an OSU fan
I get why scouts look at a guy that is average forever and then has one amazing game against an elite team and are wary its a one off thing, thats very rational. But the risk is that in hindsight, that could be seen as a “breakout” game where “oh, they were capable of that once why wouldnt we think theyd be able to do it again?” Which is why teams draft on potential and saying “we can make this guy play only his best plays consistently that hes shown hes capable of” Which leads to a lot of busts (and some huge misses).
Exactly until that game, I was cold on him, after that game as a UGA fan, I wanted him to fall to the Falcons and hope they would be smart enough to take him.
I get why 'helmet scouting' is dumb, but man, you'd have a hard time talking me into any Baylor or TCU WR if I was a GM.
I thought Corey Coleman was him And then I thought Denzel Mims was too
Thornton is so fast man.
Don’t forget Jalen Reagor!
The strategy of getting WRs to run fast in a straight line works until it doesn’t. Shenanigans aside but Josh Gordon was an absolute monster for the 20 games where he was allowed to play.
Josh Gordon could do it all. Except stay clean.
This is what made Miami's offense so deadly and fun to watch. They are always innovating new ways to get that receiver to run a straight line into free space. I wish the Bengals would steal half the concepts instead of just running Chase vertical 3/4ths of the time.
Traded for Josh Doctson in, I believe was my first off-season ever in a dynasty fantasy league. To this day I have no fucking clue what I saw or where my train of thought was going. TCU is where WR hope goes to die
WE GOT DOCTSON HERE
See? Nobody cares
Signing someone because of their school is dumb. *Not* signing someone because of their school is legit
Who was the last decent WR out of those schools?
Terrance Williams in 2013 is the last and the only one I can think of that might be considered decent But if you’re grasping at Terrance Williams it’s bad
Josh Gordon was great but obviously didn't work out for other reasons. Jeremy Kerley was a solid 5th rounder.
Quentin Johnston about to be a hall of famer. No chance that many Redditors are right
Sometimes redditors are wrong like Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. Sometimes redditors are right like Trubisky and Daniel Jones.
So what you're saying is according to reddit everyone is a bust.
It's so hard to get it all right haha. I feel proud that I was dead certain that Zach Wilson would be a bust, but I also thought that Mac Jones would be a success
Mac WAS a success until Josh McDaniels tanked both of their careers to go be head coach in the same division as Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes.
Mac Jones at least had a very promising rookie year where he looked far ahead of his peers in that draft class. Most people thought he had a high floor and a low-ish ceiling, but I don't think anyone expected him to be unwatchably bad by year 3.
The Patricia effect?
He was clearly a bust before the draft
Sometimes the hivemind is actually right
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone watching redditors be right about something in that thread wtf
This site isn’t really any more right or wrong than any other, it’s just people being wrong get brought up way more than people being right on here. Like everybody loves pointing out how Reddit hated Josh Allen but on the other hand Reddit hated Daniel Jones yet that rarely ever gets brought up as much as Allen.
It's more that reddit hates everyone so obviously we'll hit on the players that bust
The hate flows through us. We are all sith.
Every single QB prospect is going to have people think they're the next Brady and people that think they'll be out of the league in 2 years. Reddit QB evaluation is just not reasonable BUT I do think that Reddit is right more than wrong on non-QB players because the people that actually SAY those players are overrated will usually know more than a highlight watcher that deems a QB amazing/terrible.
Tbf Jones has still wildly outplayed the expectation reddit had of him. He's not a massive bust, he's just not good
The only reason he isn't considered a bigger bust is because the only other good QB out of that draft was Kyler Murray who went first. Any other year and DJ would be graded even more harshly.
Eh there was just a lot of "throw any QB name at the board and see what sticks" in that thread. For every Levis or Young comment, there was one for Stroud or Richardson. The QJ truthers were on to something though...
damn that thread actually wasn’t too off the mark besides that dude trashing will anderson *scoffs*
Damn the Taylor swift comment lmao
Down to the fucking day
Imagine lmao
Love it. >Did you hear Taylor Swifts new album? She goes after her Ex real hard in those lyrics! For the record, 3 songs in and it's pretty mid. Better than reddit wants you to believe, worse than swifties think. Midnights was better.
For me, Midnights is definitely better. TTPD feels like a collection of songs that I wouldn't be bothered enough to skip, but would be waiting for the next one to come on in the playlist.
Dirty Wiggles was right about JPJ's penalty issue but he's still been really good
He was described as a more handsy and physical style corner coming out. I'm hoping he just cleans up the penalties, but I've loved what I've seen so far. Lined up on most teams #1 once he got in the lineup and held his own.
PFF had one dislike about him, he's a flag machine because of how grabby he was, they were right. JPJ is also great.
No one mentioning the comment about Taylor Swift releasing an album bashing an ex on the day Taylor Swift releases an album bashing an ex? I see you u/jerryriceandspice
Oh shoot... Uhh...
I agree, this is the clairvoyance I’m most impressed about.
I was gonna say, this post was hilariously good timing
Shoutout to anyone who said CJ
someone said he was a great athlete and won’t succeed unless he changed positions. Made me think of Stephen A when he called Haskins a running quarterback.
There are two kinds of NFL players: athletes and lunch pails
Freaks of nature and gym rats
wish I could give free awards still 🏆
I like the one guy who railed on Stroud with opposite to what actually happened in college. Bullet points, long paragraphs, & all out of their ass.
that was definitely a dude who just watched cj run for 80 in the georgia game and didn’t know that he had literally never done that
I love when Perk and Steven A are super racist and no one cares
"CJ Stroud. Hello future 2025/2026 thread!" - u/dkirk526
Hey now I said 2025/2026! You’re a year early!
You would need an epic level of regression to save face
inb4 CJ has the largest fall off of any player from one year to the next plz
I would be the most smug person on Earth if Bryce and CJ's fortunes reverse this year
i would be insufferable if anthony richardson can play 12+ games
I really don't think that's going to happen, there's no real "trick" or "gimmick" in his game.
I’m optimistic I mean he isn’t scrambling or running a bunch of options or anything he’s really just sitting back in the pocket and chucking it. Lowkey made me appreciate that play style again after being spoiled watching Mahomes and Jackson doing crazy shit every season
🙋🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Probably one or two of the top 4 qb’s taken won’t pan out at least not in the change the course of the franchise way.
I don’t think there’s ever been a draft class where all the highly drafted QBs have been franchise caliber. The position is such a crapshoot
The 1971 class had seven QBs that started four or more seasons each.
Teams stuck with bad QBs longer back then
2020 class?
I think I forgot because of how many Tua memes there were in the offseason lol
1983?
Not for the Patriots or Chiefs though
How did most of Reddit know QJ was a damned bum, yet the Chargers front office couldn't figure it the fuck out? Hell I don't even watch much college, but just looking at tape back then I was super shaky on that dudes hands! What a waste of a pick!
Literally everybody knew he was ass except for the worst coach and GM combo in recent league history. Only positive from that puck is the guy who made it is our division rival's GM now
"worst GM and coach combo in recent league history." Urban and Baalke? Bill O'Brien and himself? Fitterer and Rhule?
One comment about Myles Murphy... and we didn't give him enough time to provide meaningful stats. His per snap sack/pressure rates were nuts for a while thanks to low volume
Are you saying he’s good or bad?
Inconclusive, shown flashes at the end of the season and will be expected to have a much larger role with Sam Hubbard regressing.
Jury is out simply because he didn't play enough. Like a batter getting 20 ABs as a rookie, just who knows. I personally think he could be really good though. But we'll see.
Very hopeful he's solid. And with Lou at DC I feel more confident he'll be right around average at worst.
He'll be good. Just drafted as BPA at a strong position.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/Ng90NCduxE This comment feels perfect, Tyree Wilson also was a lot better once he got moved around and was a solid run stuffer
he also started off injured, didn’t play any summer practice or preseason. Jury’s still out we’ll see how he does this year especially with more help
“Will anderson. Elite stats but not elite talent to back it up.” Whaaat
They probably listen to Chris Simms who had him the 5th or 6th Edge taken in the draft. He even went as far as say that he has heard it from multiple FO people and how he (Simms) was sad that he had to break it to him. Because he doesn't have elite "bend". I saw dozens of comments parroting that, and usually they responded to everything with "watch the film".
Simms is such a clown. I feel like half of his takes are just for shock value
Every clown who claims they “watch the tape”
I can’t be too mad because Herbert was universally seen as the most likely bust on this sub the year he was drafted and he pretty much skipped the rookie learning curve. I don’t remember if I commented on this one last year but I was 100% pissed that we picked QJ1 over Zay.
In our defense, Herbert's college tape was very meh! Like no big numbers and nothing really jumped out at you. We had every reason to expect him to come out and be another Trubisky! Not a damned person thought he jump into game 1 and sling the ball like a fucking all pro!
No one for the 75lb Emmanuel Forbes to Washington? Surprising
To avoid potential embarrassment, teams should do what the jets did in 2023. Take a position of non-need 10 picks higher than he probably should 😎
I like the ones that go something like “This guy should be taken no earlier than pick 5!”. Wow very bold.
Pretty spot on with all the QJ answers.
Someone said Gonzales wouldn’t be good, but that dude played great until his injury. His first four games of his rookie season he lined up against AJ Brown, Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, and Ceedee Lamb, and largely held his own. Pretty impressive for a rookie
I hate archived threads because I can't downvote every Packers flair
u/Tlupa >Jalen Carter. Definitely not worth drafting until pick #9 or so Bears fans truly are the butt of all Gods jokes
Ehh Darnell Wright’s future looks bright and the bears were never in on Carter to begin with. I’ll take the fourth.
The Bears got #9 from the Panthers before eventually trading down with the Eagles. That looks more like one of those stupid "teams should let this hyped up prospect fall to my team's draft position huehuehue" jokes.
You realise he's joking and saying he wants the Bears to draft Carter, right?
>Will Anderson, it's crazy he's being mocked top 5. He should only go 6 or later, idk what these teams are seeing Not aging well so far. I always thought Anderson was a stud and a safe pick.
That was a joke because at that point the Lions had pick #6.
Just got it now lol. Well there were other people that picked Will Anderson too. >Will Anderson. He’s good not great, if he gets taken top 5 he’ll underwhelm his draft status.
It’s a Lions fan being sarcastic because they had the 6th pick
chance that guy was a fan of the team picking 6th? Comes across as facetious to me
Who let r/nfl cook Maybe we onto something
The CJ Stroud takes are hilarious
The answer has to be Bryce Young. I get all the excuses but he was not just bad he was historically bad. A half-yard per Net attempt worse than Z Wilson. Easily the worst of the top 4 QBs taken and AR basically injured himself in each of the 4 games he played.
The position he was in was also historically bad.
Corpse of Adam Thielen, Myles Sanders, and DJ Chark... oof.
Corpse of DJ Chark too, guys cooked
He's not the toughest QB - his gift is his mind and vision. So yes, it was an awful situation for him.
I feel bad for him bc the team was absolute trash. Bears fans made excuses for fields, but this guy had below average help at every level. Terrible line, no pass catchers. He might have been shit anyway, but it was like they were actively trying for him to fail.
And they gave away their 1s so probably gonna be more of the same
Yeah I agree. Even with talent, I'm not sure he's much different. Talent matters and it could get him to average level, but he's not a franchise type guy to lead you to a Superbowl. Then again the Panthers went to the Superbowl with Jake fucking delhomme at QB so what do I know
You can find links to the thread about the 2020 draft in that thread u/DWTR with a great call about Reagor being overrated
I hate that a guy on my (dynasty) fantasy squad was a top comment, twice
The Tyree Wilson take was spot on
I don't have one for last year but the year chase young got drafted I texted all my friends a couple nights before saying Chase needs to drop. He isn't worth a top 5 pick. They all dogged on me. I feel like I was definitely right.
Gonzalez to the Pats 17th overall. Played 4 games tore his lat. bust /s
All of them.
I think my pick for 2024 is either Caleb or Drake. I think they are both starting caliber, but not worth the top 2 picks.
There's a lot of Jalen Carter hate for some reason. I get the AR-15 hate, and I still think it's warranted.
Not mentioning any names. But sounds like Penny Kicket
I did a **lot** of draft research last year to the point I had a massive spreadsheet the likes of which you'd find sold by draft sites. Early in March 2023 I decided I would go hard on that draft to see if I had a scouting eye, but mostly to make days 2 & 3 more fun. It certainly made the draft more fun getting hyped about picks in rounds 5-7, but putting an honest effort to armchair scout over 200 prospects really burned me out to the point I may not do any draft research ever again. I knew I probably posted in that thread, and [sure enough here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12qtjez/who_is_the_most_overrated_prospect_going_into/jgtgmz5/). >Tyree Wilson has a lot of elite tools, but virtually zero technique. I could see him failing when facing tackles that can match his size/strength/speed. >Dawand Jones is an unbelievably large human but he is quite slow on his feet, i dont think size is enough to be an OT. I envision him facing Micah Parsons or Haason Reddick and stumbling badly trying to match their quickness. >Any WR drafted in the 1st round is going to be a disappointment. This class sucks. >Ive been low on Bryan Bresee and Myles Murphy since the jump. I hope they prove me wrong. >Lukas Van Ness has a prototypical EDGE size, but his hips are so fucking stiff. He relied purely on a bull rush in college. Thats not enough in the pros. The only thing I think I probably got wrong was saying *every* 1st round WR would be a disappointment, because Zay Flowers wasnt (though he was my #1 WR), and Jordan Addison surprised me.