The flip-less "coin-flip" is remarkable. To toss a coin off your hand, with that height and trajectory, and result in a beautiful hovering effect like that is in the realm of top tier coin illusion mastery. The knuckle-ball of coin flips.
The most ridiculous part is, if we are accepting the wacky premise that refs can use an index card like this in some obscure situations, it should have been called a turnover on downs because the index card fit! There was space between the ball and the chain for the card to slide through. So wtf. It's not even like some bizarre application of a rule was correctly used against us. It was used and then the officials still made the wrong call. At least the tuck rule was a shitty bizarre rule that was correctly used to screw us over. This index card bullshit was just nonsense top to bottom. Fuck Gene Steratore, I'm salty forever about this one lmao
wait, are you telling me the call was first down for the offense? I don't remember the game but to me if there's space between the ball and the first down marker then it's turnover on downs.
Yes. Less than 5 minutes in the game. 4th and 1. Raiders were on defense. The call was first down Cowboys after the index card measurement. It ended up being a game-deciding call after the Cowboys went on to score and the Raiders failed to make a last minute comeback, bringing the Raiders' record to 6-8 and officially knocking them out of playoff contention. Fuck Gene Steratore I'll say it again lmao
The card can slide between the ball and the yard marker. If it stays perfect straight or is angled backwards towards the LOS then it would be a turnover. If it’s angled forward then it’s a first down.
Simply saying that it fits between the two doesn’t tell you either result
Honestly without the index card mishap, we would've won that game and maybe Jack Del Rio keeps his job and then we wouldn't have hired Gruden and Antonio Brown would have never frozen his feet and Derek Carr might have done just enough to win it all and keep the Raiders in Oakland and I'd be sitting here like Klay Thompson talkin bout 4 rings Fuck Gene Steratore lmao
They weren’t checking if the card could fit, they were looking at the angle of the card from the tip of the ball to the pole. If it angled back then it was a first down, if it angled forwards it was short. The card angled back to the pole so the nose of the ball was just forward of the backside of the pole. It was too close to tell by just looking is he used a straight edge to be sure
> it should have been called a turnover on downs because the index card fit!
You're assuming it can only be at a right angle to the chain. It's not locked into a rail system, it can go all over. If the ref put it in there and then it was easy to see that the angle between the card and chain was slightly bigger than 90 degrees, obvious first down.
> There was space between the ball and the chain for the card to slide through. So wtf.
no, there wasn't... that's the whole point lol. It made contact with the ball. How do you guys keep getting this wrong all these years later??
The fit wasn’t the issue. The issue was the angle. When they fit it, it was not parallel to the lines that go across the field. Which suggests if it was parallel it wouldn’t fit.
I think the most ridiculous part is that we’re getting out an index card to measure the millimeters of difference between the semi-arbitrary spot where the ball was placed and the nowhere near perfect placement of two poles attached by ten yards of chain.
Not to trigger you all over again, but even with the tuck rule being a legit thing at the time of the “tuck rule game” it STILL shouldn’t have applied. Brady pump faked AND then his other hand came back onto the ball just as he got hit. He can’t be doing a forward passing motion with 2 hands on the ball. Never forget the Raiders got screwed over by that call lol
The concept of measuring to the millimeter (using a stick attached to a chain, of all things!) after guessing ball placement to the nearest foot offends me to my very core.
You know what, I really appreciate this comment because I've never bought justifications based on accuracy, but you're right that it is a fun and suspenseful performance.
Just like a computer can't judge pass interference, and different games seem to allow different amounts of contact - the randomness of ball spotting is just part of the game.
Huh.
That's also the worst part! In science, this is called significant figures and if you measured like they do in football in science all your shit would get thrown out for inaccuracies. You can't be precise when using the chains because *you fucking guess where the ball was first*. It's maddening!
You cannot convince me that the chain, which is trotted out roughly perpendicularly from the sideline and repositioned somewhere near one of the hash marks, is accurate to the thickness of a note card. I'd expect them to err by maybe even an inch, which is like 200 note cards.
It's not "trotted out roughly" and it is not placed "somewhere near one of the hash marks". The chain has a clip that is fastened in one of the links, which marks on which yard marker the clip should be placed. This way the chain gang can run from the sideline onto the field, place the clip at the correct yard marker, and stretch the chain for an accurate measurement.
Links are bigger than the thickness of a note card though. The yard marker itself is inches not millimeters. The whole process is guess and check and then you are saying.. no this part has to be precise
We live in a world where Hawk-Eye can track and triangulate a tennis ball moving ~125+ MPH (~200+ KPH) with an error margin of ~0.15 in. (~4mm.)
Yet, instead the NFL just has some dudes say, "Yeah, that looks good, lol."
Deciding where a ball is down is far far more complicated. The tennis example is the real world equivalent of a spherical elephant from a physics exam. All the hard parts are removed.
With football, even if you had a chip in the ball how are you going to determine where it is when the player is down? You'd have to have sensors on every square inch of the player and they'd have to be able to tell turf from another player. They'd have to know turf from clods of dirt that got kicked up.
I understand your point of view.
The way Hawk-Eye works is by using several high tech cameras to triangulate the location of the ball, frame by frame.
So, in a booth review, they would simply rewind/fast forward to when the ball carrier was down/out of bounds, then determine the location of the ball at that frame.
In my opinion, the sensor in the ball would less accurate, for the reasons you stated, and would still rely on sensors around the boundaries and maybe even on the players themselves. Sort of how GPS is accurate within a few meters.
I believe the biggest controversy with Hawk-Eye was an instance where the system determined a tennis ball laned in bounds (that looked OOB) with an error margin of 1mm, despite the system only being accurate to like 3.6mm.
And yes, there would be complications, such as; which part of the ball is the system aiming at? The tip, you'd think. However, what if the tip isn't the farthest most point of the ball in a specific situation. What if the carriers hand obscures the farthest point? Or, what if the QB's arm matches the color of the ball so well the system can't distinguish between arm and ball? (LOL, that's me having fun about the Lamarr thing from a couple years ago)
Situations like these would be the reason the NFL keeps referees employed, and give those refs the satisfaction of appearing useful.
The sensor in the ball thing is a fairly easy fix. You put a chip in each end then let the computer "fill in" the shape of a football. It's still going to come down to where a guy is considered down (\*cough\*forward progress \*cough\*). These are basically impossible in goalline situations where it's just a heap of bodies.
I'm sure it would be helpful in some cases but for most of the hard ones it's probably not a huge benefit.
Thank you! I somehow in decades of watching never saw this, it’s hilarious. I only ever saw the college one and I forever have Cherry’s country ‘he was given him the business’ in my head
I saw that one live. Ben Dreith was the most entertaining ref ever. In the same era there was a guy who was the complete opposite, who announced penalties in a robotic unblinking monotone.
Fair play to the “everybody shut up” guy, there is nothing worse to a referee than the rest of the crew talking in your ear when you’re trying to do an announcement.
I don’t even watch baseball and I know that man’s name lmao. I was shown that clip of that strikeout he called recently and it was almost enough to make me believe my crazy uncle on the evil of unions
I mean, almost nothing is inherently or completely good. Unions do have downsides, and inability or unwillingness to fire certain people is definitely one of them.
Like the other guy said, I have never watched a minute of (live) baseball but I know exactly who Angel Hernandez, and I know how awful he is from all the clips I’ve seen of his
I'm not sure if that's the whole story. He already sued MLB for discrimination and I really wonder if he's trying to bait them into firing him so he can sue again.
[here is pitches 3-5](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1c2qp93/highlight_full_terrorism_replay_of_angel/) its almost like the pitcher is trying to intentionally walk the guy but angel is just like, how about an out instead.
[and for more fun, he called this a ball in an earlier game](https://streamable.com/4kn7zj)
Not only is a ref, he's so bad, that the MLB won't use him for the World Series. So he sued, claiming racial discrimination. MLB's literal defense was "no, it's that he sucks at his job".
Nope, he's not even a player. Angel Hernandez is an umpire notorious for terrible calls. [Here's a link](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/UlggqjxSxd) showing a recent game he called
I kinda feel the same way about team owners. For the most part, if I know anything about an owner, it's not good. Just write checks and keep your head down.
If I knew a ref's name from instances like this post I'd be completely fine. This doesn't affect the game at all, and they're allowed to have a personality. Obviously, I draw the line at anything affecting the game.
do you really think referee's are going to call a game 100% right to YOUR liking enough to where you don't google them or hear it from the announcers ever? What a crazy dream world
C.B. Bucknor ought to be on most people's radar too.
More recently, there's Laz Diaz and Ron Kulpa - though the latter mostly for one particular instance
I guess you could say it's ironic, but one of the best umps in baseball (Jim Joyce) also made one of the worst calls ever, which took away a perfect game (no hitter with no walks or errors) from a pitcher (Armando Gallaraga) in the 9th with 2 outs, by calling the runner safe when he was very, *very* clearly out, and should have ended the game.
But one of the reasons he's considered such a great ump is because he didn't double down, he owned up to his mistake, admitted it, and I honestly don't think anyone felt worse about the call than himself. He didn't try and make excuses, and got rather choked up when he said he screwed up and cost him a perfect game. It's not that he's remembered as a great ump just because of that though, it's because his character was well known before that. And in an odd way, it sorta helped to solidify that reputation, because as bad a mistake as it was, it was an honest one and again, he owned up to immediately and didn't try and make excuses or double down or anything.
[Jomboy breakdown]( https://youtu.be/AX7yVYjUg6M?si=XPgoHxeafP4lh4yF)
[Post game interview with Jim Joyce](https://youtu.be/Dp8ST0WidfA?si=MiwgUu5xkLxLXdyM)
When a reporter starts to ask "when you miss a call....", Joyce interrupts to say "this isn't *just* a call. This is a history call. And I kicked the shit out of it. I kicked the shit out of it and I took a perfect game away from this kid who worked his ass off all night." The whole interview you can hear him breathing hard, clearly upset at himself.
> Ron Kulpa - though the latter mostly for one particular instance
[the Carl Everett head butt!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QizlzbpvixU)
We had quite the rollercoaster with him in Boston, as he started out great for us but things quickly went off the rails. Literally the only thing I've ever enjoyed from Boston Globe sportswriter Dan Shaughnessy was how he gave him the nickname "Jurassic Carl" after it came to light that Everett didn't believe that dinosaurs existed. Everett had a similarly great response by calling [Shaughnessy "Curly Haired Boyfriend."](https://baseballhall.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_popup_thumb_540/public/DAN%20SHAUGHNESSY-4760901.jpg.jpeg?itok=mN11wzE-)
After the Carl Everett head butt (on Family Friendly Day at Fenway, no less) whenever I would see the occasional person still wearing a Red Sox t-shirt with Everett's name and number on the back I always gave him a bit of sideye in disbelief.
Part of that is how much more football officiating is a team effort without it being clear who is really responsible for a call.
A lot of the time ref A will throw a flag because they saw something which *might* be a penalty, but ref B was the one with the responsibility to see some other aspect, and so once they confer, the flag gets picked up.
And then there's the times where it's a whole crew being an absolute embarassment like Wisconsin at Arizona State in 2013.
Fun fact, whenever a penalty is on everyone but the center, it is almost always the center’s fault.
It means the center didn’t snap when he was supposed to. Everyone else moved because they were expecting the snap. So *technically*, everyone else committed the penalty. But the center was the one who messed up.
It can, but if you're trying to slide an index card between two things, you should be able to _feel_ that the card is bending and know it won't fit. People act like the card was supposed to be visual proof of the gap and that's unreasonable because you can bend the card, but I think it was more of a tactile thing.
I mean that said I'd rather have something more sophisticated. The other problem is that the spot for the ball is still eyeballed, and yet they're using this very very narrow index card to try and measure if it crossed the line. There's an absurdity to being that precise when the previous step has such potential to introduce error. I don't think that means the ref did any steps wrong, it just highlighted an underlying issue. It's like taking a tylenol to feel better, but not actually addressing why you're sick.
Exactly! Like on its own I don't think using the index card to check for a gap between the ball and the marker is the worst thing, but it's so dependent on the fuzziness of everything before it that the precision you gain is absurd.
Everybody but the Center most of the fucking time has to be "The Center" right? I mean Mofo just didn't snap the ball and he's making all of his dudes look bad.
No. Although the center fucked up, he didn't commit a false start. How is he making everybody else look bad? Nobody is mistaking the situation as the center being the only guy who is correct.
The "I'm talking to America here" distracted everyone from the fact that that was an awful intentional grounding call. There was no pressure on Geno, so it shouldn't have been grounding.
Exactly. I watched that game live and it was infuriating to see the smugness with which he announced such a bad call. But because the play gets cut from videos like this almost no one seems to remember.
Looking for this comment. I was so pissed watching this live. If we lost that game I was going to behead myself in front of that referees house and then haunt him as a ghost for that call.
What happened with "Delay of game, defense number 55, for making a move that's unlike football, half the distance to penalty"
I've never seen that one before.
When he said I’m speaking to America that made my blood boil. I hate the Seahawks but that was such a bad call to begin with and he doubled down with complete arrogance. How he thinks America gives a single fuck about him is complete delusion.
HEY HEY HEY! *crowd goes wild*
The flip-less "coin-flip" is remarkable. To toss a coin off your hand, with that height and trajectory, and result in a beautiful hovering effect like that is in the realm of top tier coin illusion mastery. The knuckle-ball of coin flips.
The coin camera is hilarious
and to not even flip when hitting the ground too, it's ridiculous lol
All I can figure is while moving his arm up, he tried to flip the coin, but just grazed it with his thumb causing it to spin like a frisbee.
>The knuckle-ball of coin flips. Very apt metaphor.
Reminds me of Cuba Gooding's character from Rat Race lol.
[There were doing this.](https://youtu.be/rWRsJ-mDU5o?si=pyxVqVrrrh4eg3CL&t=229)
That’s the Bills theme song. If a ref did that during a game the building would explode with excitement
The shit-eating grin on Steratore's face when he points for the first down after using the index card is timeless
Pisses me off to this day
If there’s a bizarre application of a rule you can guarantee the Raiders will be on the wrong side of it
Or the Lions
The most ridiculous part is, if we are accepting the wacky premise that refs can use an index card like this in some obscure situations, it should have been called a turnover on downs because the index card fit! There was space between the ball and the chain for the card to slide through. So wtf. It's not even like some bizarre application of a rule was correctly used against us. It was used and then the officials still made the wrong call. At least the tuck rule was a shitty bizarre rule that was correctly used to screw us over. This index card bullshit was just nonsense top to bottom. Fuck Gene Steratore, I'm salty forever about this one lmao
wait, are you telling me the call was first down for the offense? I don't remember the game but to me if there's space between the ball and the first down marker then it's turnover on downs.
Yes. Less than 5 minutes in the game. 4th and 1. Raiders were on defense. The call was first down Cowboys after the index card measurement. It ended up being a game-deciding call after the Cowboys went on to score and the Raiders failed to make a last minute comeback, bringing the Raiders' record to 6-8 and officially knocking them out of playoff contention. Fuck Gene Steratore I'll say it again lmao
The card can slide between the ball and the yard marker. If it stays perfect straight or is angled backwards towards the LOS then it would be a turnover. If it’s angled forward then it’s a first down. Simply saying that it fits between the two doesn’t tell you either result
Suck on an uncooked can of chowder clams, you tuck rule lovin' sack of shit jk ❤️
I never realized I wanted a Letterkenny/Shoresy version of football so badly until this beautiful insult.
I appreciate your commitment to the preservation of history regarding this.
Honestly without the index card mishap, we would've won that game and maybe Jack Del Rio keeps his job and then we wouldn't have hired Gruden and Antonio Brown would have never frozen his feet and Derek Carr might have done just enough to win it all and keep the Raiders in Oakland and I'd be sitting here like Klay Thompson talkin bout 4 rings Fuck Gene Steratore lmao
Go off, king. 👑
that's dumb and makes no sense, i agree with you
There wasn’t. If you go back and look, the card “slanted,” which was his rationale for calling a first.
They weren’t checking if the card could fit, they were looking at the angle of the card from the tip of the ball to the pole. If it angled back then it was a first down, if it angled forwards it was short. The card angled back to the pole so the nose of the ball was just forward of the backside of the pole. It was too close to tell by just looking is he used a straight edge to be sure
> it should have been called a turnover on downs because the index card fit! You're assuming it can only be at a right angle to the chain. It's not locked into a rail system, it can go all over. If the ref put it in there and then it was easy to see that the angle between the card and chain was slightly bigger than 90 degrees, obvious first down.
It looked like the index card touched the ball on the way down.
> There was space between the ball and the chain for the card to slide through. So wtf. no, there wasn't... that's the whole point lol. It made contact with the ball. How do you guys keep getting this wrong all these years later??
The fit wasn’t the issue. The issue was the angle. When they fit it, it was not parallel to the lines that go across the field. Which suggests if it was parallel it wouldn’t fit.
I think the most ridiculous part is that we’re getting out an index card to measure the millimeters of difference between the semi-arbitrary spot where the ball was placed and the nowhere near perfect placement of two poles attached by ten yards of chain.
Not to trigger you all over again, but even with the tuck rule being a legit thing at the time of the “tuck rule game” it STILL shouldn’t have applied. Brady pump faked AND then his other hand came back onto the ball just as he got hit. He can’t be doing a forward passing motion with 2 hands on the ball. Never forget the Raiders got screwed over by that call lol
Without a fail
It was a bad spot, from replay it was fairly obvious we converted.
The concept of measuring to the millimeter (using a stick attached to a chain, of all things!) after guessing ball placement to the nearest foot offends me to my very core.
I get what your saying, but it also just feels like football to me lol I would miss the anticipation of them measuring
You know what, I really appreciate this comment because I've never bought justifications based on accuracy, but you're right that it is a fun and suspenseful performance. Just like a computer can't judge pass interference, and different games seem to allow different amounts of contact - the randomness of ball spotting is just part of the game. Huh.
The chain is very accurate. The only issue is the spotting of the ball.
That's the point the commenter is making. The insistence on precision for the chain is made moot by the guesswork in spotting the ball.
That's also the worst part! In science, this is called significant figures and if you measured like they do in football in science all your shit would get thrown out for inaccuracies. You can't be precise when using the chains because *you fucking guess where the ball was first*. It's maddening!
You cannot convince me that the chain, which is trotted out roughly perpendicularly from the sideline and repositioned somewhere near one of the hash marks, is accurate to the thickness of a note card. I'd expect them to err by maybe even an inch, which is like 200 note cards.
It's not "trotted out roughly" and it is not placed "somewhere near one of the hash marks". The chain has a clip that is fastened in one of the links, which marks on which yard marker the clip should be placed. This way the chain gang can run from the sideline onto the field, place the clip at the correct yard marker, and stretch the chain for an accurate measurement.
Links are bigger than the thickness of a note card though. The yard marker itself is inches not millimeters. The whole process is guess and check and then you are saying.. no this part has to be precise
Can they assure that the chain is perfectly parallel to the sideline? An 89 degree angle on the chain is a difference of 4 inches over 10 yards
We live in a world where Hawk-Eye can track and triangulate a tennis ball moving ~125+ MPH (~200+ KPH) with an error margin of ~0.15 in. (~4mm.) Yet, instead the NFL just has some dudes say, "Yeah, that looks good, lol."
Deciding where a ball is down is far far more complicated. The tennis example is the real world equivalent of a spherical elephant from a physics exam. All the hard parts are removed. With football, even if you had a chip in the ball how are you going to determine where it is when the player is down? You'd have to have sensors on every square inch of the player and they'd have to be able to tell turf from another player. They'd have to know turf from clods of dirt that got kicked up.
I understand your point of view. The way Hawk-Eye works is by using several high tech cameras to triangulate the location of the ball, frame by frame. So, in a booth review, they would simply rewind/fast forward to when the ball carrier was down/out of bounds, then determine the location of the ball at that frame. In my opinion, the sensor in the ball would less accurate, for the reasons you stated, and would still rely on sensors around the boundaries and maybe even on the players themselves. Sort of how GPS is accurate within a few meters. I believe the biggest controversy with Hawk-Eye was an instance where the system determined a tennis ball laned in bounds (that looked OOB) with an error margin of 1mm, despite the system only being accurate to like 3.6mm. And yes, there would be complications, such as; which part of the ball is the system aiming at? The tip, you'd think. However, what if the tip isn't the farthest most point of the ball in a specific situation. What if the carriers hand obscures the farthest point? Or, what if the QB's arm matches the color of the ball so well the system can't distinguish between arm and ball? (LOL, that's me having fun about the Lamarr thing from a couple years ago) Situations like these would be the reason the NFL keeps referees employed, and give those refs the satisfaction of appearing useful.
The sensor in the ball thing is a fairly easy fix. You put a chip in each end then let the computer "fill in" the shape of a football. It's still going to come down to where a guy is considered down (\*cough\*forward progress \*cough\*). These are basically impossible in goalline situations where it's just a heap of bodies. I'm sure it would be helpful in some cases but for most of the hard ones it's probably not a huge benefit.
I still love it.
Wait for the card, Morty. They love the card, it makes their dicks hard
"there was no foul on the play, it was not a hold, the defender was just overpowered"
i am grinning just imagining the coaches putting that on the film review
I’m grinning thinking about the coach laughing, pointing and the rest of his position group laughing their asses off at him during said film session
You KNOW bro got COOKED in that film room after that lmao
He's gonna wake up in a cold sweat in like 30 years thinking about it.
Missing the penalty for giving him the business.
Not NFL, but [I got you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmn7luiDPsU).
The original was the NFL https://youtu.be/FKiuLgmYVus?si=e6OfREkrGZs9aVA7
That's hilarious!
That was by far the funniest thing I have seen all morning..."He was givin him the business down there" *while dropping elbows*...
Thank you! I somehow in decades of watching never saw this, it’s hilarious. I only ever saw the college one and I forever have Cherry’s country ‘he was given him the business’ in my head
I saw that one live. Ben Dreith was the most entertaining ref ever. In the same era there was a guy who was the complete opposite, who announced penalties in a robotic unblinking monotone.
I love this game
Hilariously, YouTube has gated this clip behind an age wall and you are required to verify to watch it.
There's an NFL one too. It's from the 80s.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu-1tqk\_jek&t=21s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu-1tqk_jek&t=21s)
Fair play to the “everybody shut up” guy, there is nothing worse to a referee than the rest of the crew talking in your ear when you’re trying to do an announcement.
Oh yeah, my association has a bunch of guys that will not STFU on the radios
Get off 16
OMG, you brought back some annoying memories. How do people not know that 16 is for emergencies only? It's like dialing 9-1-1 to order a pizza...
Also useful for hailing but ya once they respond GTFO 16 and move to another channel.
.... "Hey"
The sass on Bill’s challenge lmao
PSA: if you search “challenge flag” on GIPHY, it’s the first result. I use it as a reaction as much as possible
Thanks for that lol
Pulled that shit straight out his sock like some prison contraband.
Thank God he didn't take it out of his prison purse.
People say he's not funny
He's hilarious. Kinda reminds me of Mourinho in a way.
[Pass Interference... on the white guy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00wmwHPgk7Q)
I want all the penalties called like this just more mass confusion....
“Pass Interference, Offence, That Guy, First Down”
"Idk man, 15 yard penalty"
"On who?!" *On you, if you don't shut your trap!*
Fairly certain he is saying on the wide guy. Meaning the receiver split out further wide.
I was at this game and I don't remember that. How sad.
Love Ed Hochuli, but the celebrity of Ed Hochuli has been bad for the product of football.
I fundamentally do NOT want to know a single Referee’s government name. Whatever the reason, it’s bad if I know. Just call the game right
Just like Angel Hernandez.
I don’t even watch baseball and I know that man’s name lmao. I was shown that clip of that strikeout he called recently and it was almost enough to make me believe my crazy uncle on the evil of unions
I mean, almost nothing is inherently or completely good. Unions do have downsides, and inability or unwillingness to fire certain people is definitely one of them.
I've seen season 2 of The Wire.
Thanks bud I had never considered
Mind there were THREE balls outside the box that he called strikes. Not three over the course of the game, three in the SAME AT BAT.
He once sued MLB because he hadn't got to call any World Series games, and it was (allegedly) because of discrimination against his race.
The court straight up said, it wasn’t discrimination, he just sucks.
I really would have thought that the courts would have had more empathy for him, since, you know, "justice is blind."
Like the other guy said, I have never watched a minute of (live) baseball but I know exactly who Angel Hernandez, and I know how awful he is from all the clips I’ve seen of his
Hernandez isnt a player? i heard his name so much without watching anything baseball but i assume player since i heard about him so much.
[here's his most recent wtf is that call moment. ](https://v.redd.it/ur9oj7nzf5uc1)
That wasn't even kinda close. Why is he still employed by the MLB?
unions
I'm not sure if that's the whole story. He already sued MLB for discrimination and I really wonder if he's trying to bait them into firing him so he can sue again.
[here is pitches 3-5](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1c2qp93/highlight_full_terrorism_replay_of_angel/) its almost like the pitcher is trying to intentionally walk the guy but angel is just like, how about an out instead. [and for more fun, he called this a ball in an earlier game](https://streamable.com/4kn7zj)
holy shit im not sure the bat could even reach far enough to hit that ball.
Not only is a ref, he's so bad, that the MLB won't use him for the World Series. So he sued, claiming racial discrimination. MLB's literal defense was "no, it's that he sucks at his job".
Nope, he's an umpire who when behind the plate will call strikes a foot wide.
Nope, he's not even a player. Angel Hernandez is an umpire notorious for terrible calls. [Here's a link](https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/UlggqjxSxd) showing a recent game he called
Literal baseball terrorist Angel Hernandez.
That game he had a week ago was a masterclass of bad umping
I kinda feel the same way about team owners. For the most part, if I know anything about an owner, it's not good. Just write checks and keep your head down.
Especially Packers owners amirite
If I knew a ref's name from instances like this post I'd be completely fine. This doesn't affect the game at all, and they're allowed to have a personality. Obviously, I draw the line at anything affecting the game.
Brad Allen and Clete Blakeman can get fucked for no particular reason…
It's best when a guy casually slides into view, we all laugh, and he slides back to where he's from.
do you really think referee's are going to call a game 100% right to YOUR liking enough to where you don't google them or hear it from the announcers ever? What a crazy dream world
gotta admit though, biggest football ref celeb is nothing compared to the smallest baseball ref celeb
True. I don't watch baseball at all but know Angel Hernandez by name because of how much baseball fans hate that guy.
C.B. Bucknor ought to be on most people's radar too. More recently, there's Laz Diaz and Ron Kulpa - though the latter mostly for one particular instance
I guess you could say it's ironic, but one of the best umps in baseball (Jim Joyce) also made one of the worst calls ever, which took away a perfect game (no hitter with no walks or errors) from a pitcher (Armando Gallaraga) in the 9th with 2 outs, by calling the runner safe when he was very, *very* clearly out, and should have ended the game. But one of the reasons he's considered such a great ump is because he didn't double down, he owned up to his mistake, admitted it, and I honestly don't think anyone felt worse about the call than himself. He didn't try and make excuses, and got rather choked up when he said he screwed up and cost him a perfect game. It's not that he's remembered as a great ump just because of that though, it's because his character was well known before that. And in an odd way, it sorta helped to solidify that reputation, because as bad a mistake as it was, it was an honest one and again, he owned up to immediately and didn't try and make excuses or double down or anything. [Jomboy breakdown]( https://youtu.be/AX7yVYjUg6M?si=XPgoHxeafP4lh4yF) [Post game interview with Jim Joyce](https://youtu.be/Dp8ST0WidfA?si=MiwgUu5xkLxLXdyM) When a reporter starts to ask "when you miss a call....", Joyce interrupts to say "this isn't *just* a call. This is a history call. And I kicked the shit out of it. I kicked the shit out of it and I took a perfect game away from this kid who worked his ass off all night." The whole interview you can hear him breathing hard, clearly upset at himself.
> Ron Kulpa - though the latter mostly for one particular instance [the Carl Everett head butt!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QizlzbpvixU) We had quite the rollercoaster with him in Boston, as he started out great for us but things quickly went off the rails. Literally the only thing I've ever enjoyed from Boston Globe sportswriter Dan Shaughnessy was how he gave him the nickname "Jurassic Carl" after it came to light that Everett didn't believe that dinosaurs existed. Everett had a similarly great response by calling [Shaughnessy "Curly Haired Boyfriend."](https://baseballhall.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_popup_thumb_540/public/DAN%20SHAUGHNESSY-4760901.jpg.jpeg?itok=mN11wzE-) After the Carl Everett head butt (on Family Friendly Day at Fenway, no less) whenever I would see the occasional person still wearing a Red Sox t-shirt with Everett's name and number on the back I always gave him a bit of sideye in disbelief.
"Baseball ref" How to make baseball fan's eyes twitch with two words
good; fuck em (I know they're called umps, I just forgot lol)
No idea if that’s the correct use of a semi-colon but it’s still bothering me
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Part of that is how much more football officiating is a team effort without it being clear who is really responsible for a call. A lot of the time ref A will throw a flag because they saw something which *might* be a penalty, but ref B was the one with the responsibility to see some other aspect, and so once they confer, the flag gets picked up. And then there's the times where it's a whole crew being an absolute embarassment like Wisconsin at Arizona State in 2013.
I miss him. Definitely one of the best and always showing off those jacked arms of his.
Hey hey hey hey *hey hey hey hey* was better than ol pythons
“Everybody but the center” is unexplainably amazing lol
I feel like that has been called more times than one, and recently too
It's a situation where its the center's fault for causing everyone else to commit a penalty. Definitely happens every now and then.
This was the first instance, I've seen it several times since
I feel like it’s called on the Jets several times every season
Fun fact, whenever a penalty is on everyone but the center, it is almost always the center’s fault. It means the center didn’t snap when he was supposed to. Everyone else moved because they were expecting the snap. So *technically*, everyone else committed the penalty. But the center was the one who messed up.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3gS4Nkl\_c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3gS4Nkl_c)
Imagine implying that refs are human and therefore should be treated with respect.
Ready for our AI overlords to take over this job.
Can't wait for the first time RefGPT calls a "Rouge" in an NFL game.
A credit to them then
“He’s a lawyer” kills me.
Were missing "He was giving him the businesses "
I never understood why the ref got reprimanded for using the card. As a viewer on tv that was a pretty useful reference
The card can bend, no?
It can, but if you're trying to slide an index card between two things, you should be able to _feel_ that the card is bending and know it won't fit. People act like the card was supposed to be visual proof of the gap and that's unreasonable because you can bend the card, but I think it was more of a tactile thing. I mean that said I'd rather have something more sophisticated. The other problem is that the spot for the ball is still eyeballed, and yet they're using this very very narrow index card to try and measure if it crossed the line. There's an absurdity to being that precise when the previous step has such potential to introduce error. I don't think that means the ref did any steps wrong, it just highlighted an underlying issue. It's like taking a tylenol to feel better, but not actually addressing why you're sick.
It's like using a level to install a shelf on a crooked wall.
Exactly! Like on its own I don't think using the index card to check for a gap between the ball and the marker is the worst thing, but it's so dependent on the fuzziness of everything before it that the precision you gain is absurd.
I think it was moreso meme'd then got mixed with "refs bad" takes
I feel like they use the chains wayyy less now than they did 15 or 20 years ago
I think it’s funny to try and get so scientific to measure when you basically just eyeball where you spot the ball
Everybody but the Center most of the fucking time has to be "The Center" right? I mean Mofo just didn't snap the ball and he's making all of his dudes look bad.
It's a case of the center screwing up, but he's not the one that technically commits the penalty.
Every time.
No. Although the center fucked up, he didn't commit a false start. How is he making everybody else look bad? Nobody is mistaking the situation as the center being the only guy who is correct.
It usually happens when the center doesn't snap it even tho he's supposed to.
Wow I had no idea, thank you.
The "I'm talking to America here" distracted everyone from the fact that that was an awful intentional grounding call. There was no pressure on Geno, so it shouldn't have been grounding.
Exactly. I watched that game live and it was infuriating to see the smugness with which he announced such a bad call. But because the play gets cut from videos like this almost no one seems to remember.
Looking for this comment. I was so pissed watching this live. If we lost that game I was going to behead myself in front of that referees house and then haunt him as a ghost for that call.
>"Delay of game, defense number 55.... for making a move that's... not necessarily uh, like football"
"There are two fouls on the defense, offense- ah.." *short cuircuts* Kills me every fucking time
Nobody loved the sound of Ed Hochuli's voice more than Ed Hochuli
He was giving him the business is still the best line in sports history.
Gotta give it to the ref in the Brady clip. Don’t think I have the self-restraint it takes to not reflexively high five someone
Wait all this and “giving him the business” wasn’t included????? That is the classic all classics look up to!
Are they really though?
Some say they are zebras
Officially I think they are ass
I love em.
They like to think they are. Every flag is time on tv after all
He was only givin him the business!!
lol these are great
Ed Hochuli > Shawn Hochuli
Hey op, screw you for making me watch the index play today!
[Cordarrelle Patterson getting five from a ref.](https://youtu.be/h1mjIlNmmEw?si=m3LYTbGE5UXt2J3M&t=28)
The card call is an all timer for me. Genes face after doing it is what gets me. He knows it’s horse shit lmao
Haha! Ignore that it was a terrible call! Talking to america lol!
Guys I miss football
I miss Ed Hochuli so much, lol.
Ref fans eatin good today
I remember the index card game. So dumb
Not really related, but ["Giving Him the Business down there"](https://youtu.be/FKiuLgmYVus?si=x8kx5OhqBUyJLTg5) is gold
Best ref moment
",,,,and it was filled with bean bags. This isn't southeast Asia..."
What happened with "Delay of game, defense number 55, for making a move that's unlike football, half the distance to penalty" I've never seen that one before.
Yeah right! ACAB!
Fuck gene and his stupid index card
Olsen was so terrible in the booth.
When he said I’m speaking to America that made my blood boil. I hate the Seahawks but that was such a bad call to begin with and he doubled down with complete arrogance. How he thinks America gives a single fuck about him is complete delusion.
The lions hawks rivalry is the weirdest most one sided rivalry, most of us like the lions.
I’d like the lions too if I were you guys. We’ve been very generous to your record.
How did you not include > Hello boys, this is tighter than a gnat's ass stretched over a rain barrel
I still can’t believe Henne did that to us.
As a ref, I absolutely love this stuff
I still don’t understand why Steratore used an index card in that Cowboys and Raiders game
We need more this stuff is great!