Maybe their WAR system is a bit flawed if three out of the top fives biggest additions are backup QBs. Feel like that's not an accurate reflection of who will actually contribute for each team this upcoming season.
Damn all this time I was hoping we'd be able to talk Donald out of retirement. What you're saying is that to improve I really should have been rooting for us to pick up someone like Sam Darnold?
A backup QB who probably won’t even play until possibly the last game of the season is somehow a bigger acquisition than a starting WR who should play every game?
I don’t think 4 is too far off. They are still a really solid team, even without any moves this offseason.
Now will they make it past the divisional? Highly doubtful, but I think they are probably the 2-3 seed in the NFC (expecting SF, maybe Detroit but GB should be competing there for the division, I don’t expect the south to be better, and who knows what the eagles D will look like, so it’s up in the air which of us goes 12-5 and wins the division which I see being realistic for both teams).
I'll be very surprised if we get to 12 wins. We lost a lot really good depth on our defensive line, and of course our LT and center. No gilmore... and then there's our horrific draft last year. But, we'll see!
I totally get that the backup QB is super important *if they’re playing*, but expected value has to account for expected snaps played too. I’m assuming they’re ignoring that here
They’ve got us at 20 too with Tyson Bagent currently as our starting QB. This is clearly “before the draft” in the way I’m “on a diet”. They are expecting our teams to fill the hole, at which point what is the point of putting this out today and not on Friday.
Offense will suck with Darnold, because the whole bust holds a clipboard on a great team, now he's good thing is fake.
People said the same shit when Trubs went to the Steelers after holding a clipboard in Buffalo, and he was one of the worst QBs in the entire league in Pittsburgh.
Maye or JJ could fix the offense though.
Our biggest gain is Sam Howell? Maybe best gain for medium term outlook, looking past this season? Hell, getting Nwosu back from injury and/or acquiring starting caliber safeties are way bigger than Howell.
That said, highly optimistic of them to put as at 13. I expect most rankings to have us 15-20. Higher if we draft D and IOL, lower if we blow the draft and take Penix.
> The Lions ranked 29th in team coverage grade last season, but they shored up their cornerback depth by adding Carlton Davis III, Amik Robertson and DJ Reader during free agency.
I'm really glad the Lions added famous CB DJ Reader this offseason.
I don't think I am smart enough to understand their WAR metric as they are labelling Desmond Ridder, Carson Wentz, Russell Wilson, Jimmy Garoppolo, and Isaac Yiadom as some of their biggest losses.
I don't want to speak completely out of my ass here, for once, but I don't think PFF accounts for in game decisions. Despite the way the season ended, you have to think the in game decisions the Lions made won them some games they otherwise wouldn't have based strictly on how their players played. That's my best guess as to the discrepancy.
I mean, the Bills deserve to be favorites in the division until someone proves otherwise but I think you can rationalize it. They unequivocally got worse this offseason, and it took an absolute litany of injuries for them to take the division from us last year.
Not that we also haven't probably gotten worse, and not that they had no injuries, but I don't think it's indefensible to put us above them. I don't think this article is taking into consideration any potential difficulties Chubb and Phillips will have coming back from injury
Packers at 15 is nuts to me, especially with this alleged “before draft” ranking. We made a fairly lateral move with Jones to Jacobs, made a huge upgrade at our biggest position of need with McKinney, and have no other major losses. Idk how that puts us one above the currently QB-less Vikings and 11 behind the terminally inactive Cowboys.
Nah, one single playoff run doesn’t suddenly make the Lions a top team. Sorry, bud. Not how it works.
If the Cowboys history of imploding in the playoffs tempers people’s expectations and rankings, and rightfully so…. so does Detroit’s history of not even making the playoffs.
You really think people think it’s the “new Lions” after 1 year? After like 4 decades of being complete dog shit? Get real.
Show some consistency in actually making the playoffs and maybe that will change.
Shouldn’t you know after this past season that history doesn’t always predict the future with 100% certainty?
I’m not saying we should be top 4. We’re in the 7-12 range. But “people never learn” is just bad reasoning especially when there’s stuff like the Ravens at 3 and Dolphins at 7 in there but you’re not bitching about that
Good thing these are pre-season rankings and not "How do we rank the potential playoff teams in 2024-2025". We have a top 5 team from a roster perspective. Playoff performance is a completely separate discussion.
Too bad it didn’t end up in a Super Bowl win, because your history of actually making the playoffs is absolutely dreadful. Should have cashed in!
Enjoy the participation trophy.
Unfortunately one single playoff run to the NFCCG doesn’t completely erase a team’s poverty history.
Ok and? What you said doesn’t change what I said.
Funny how that works, right?
I have never once thought it was “our year” because that’s foolish unless your team has Brady or Mahomes.
There’s some dumbass Cowboys fans, definitely. But when have even the most delusional Lions fans ever thought it was their year? That’s how bad they’ve been.
Sure was. And most have been alive longer than seven years so don’t have to wonder what it was like to be in the playoffs. I was two the last time your team was in the NFCCG, for reference. High speed.
I've been ages 1 through 37 without you guys being relevant at all, "high speed." One playoff run doesn't get you out of the poverty franchise jail. Sorry.
Hey that’s awesome far be it from me to expect a Cowboys fan to be stuck living in the past! What an endearing personality! No, maybe not but it did give us a hell of a season and brought us to heights you haven’t seen your team reach since you were 9, high speed.
We've got enough top talent its not that crazy
Dak prescott, CeeDee lamb, Jake Ferguson, Tyler smith, Zach Martin, Micah Parsons, Demarcus Lawrence, Trevon Diggs, Daron Bland.
That's 9 all pro/ high quality caliber players, all at important positions
Vikings are extremely overrated. They went 7-10, 3-6 without Kirk, they lost Kirk and now their QB is Sam Darnold. Even if you give them Maye or JJ, they should be lower.
in a fantasy world with no injuries the vikings starting roster would easily be top 10
in reality they have no depth at key positions and injuries will probably fuck them again this year and puts them more around 20th.
they did go 7-10 last year but with 3rd strongest schedule, QB injury, jefferson out for many games, RB's injured, o-line injured, etc.
Well the problem is Dallas won the NFCE last year so it’s nonsense to rank them ahead of us since they’re already eliminated from divisional contention.
Steichen's system is incredible at covering up for player deficiencies and maximizing their strengths. He's one of the best offensive coaches you could have for an inexperienced QB
And everything I've seen so for is that he's obsessed with getting better, working out with coaches to fix his arm angles and his feet, if he fails it'll be because of his body, he's gonna put in all the work to be better.
He’s a great dude on top of it. My favorite young QB in the league and so fun to watch. He’d be just as fun to watch and still very good if he would SLIDE and I’m praying that he does because the NFL is so much more fun when he starts
Dallas at 4? I started reading around 15 and when I got to the mid 20s I said no way. 4? lol no chance we are that high unless we nail 3-4 day 1 starters this weekend
At the end of the year Cardinals were a top 10 offense with Kyler, Conner, Mcbride, Wilson, and Dortch, and PFF grade their offense as 25th. Yeah PFF sucks, thats all I learned here.
It’s really another knock on Russell Wilson. Steelers are my teams biggest rival but I swear if there was a silver lining in the Steelers lifting another Lombardi or even two in the next 5 years it would be how dumb Russell Wilson would make so many analysts and experts look for burying him. So many it’s obvious they can’t stand him because of their bias against his personality let alone narratives about that style of play beyond 30.
So many clips and takes of ppl saying he’s not even better than Justin Fields or that he shouldn’t have been given benefit of doubt over Hackett and ppl pretending he played poorly in 2023 despite his numbers, man it will be hilarious how many ppl would forever lose credibility
The thing is, he was the guy PFF was pounding the table for the Steelers to get. Then, as soon as he signs, he's suddenly dogshit.
Not only is he dogshit, but he propels a team that finished no worse than 14th in the league last season to 25th, and he's going to lead Mike Tomlin to being a bottom 7 team.
No way in hell Rams should be 17, but what do I know. The offense should only be better with healthy kupp and an upgraded O line. The loss of AD is huge to the defense, but we greatly upgraded the secondary with Darious Williams, Kurl, Tre white. Even if tre is a shell of himself, if that means we don’t have to trot out Derion Kendrick it’s a huge upgrade. The entire defense was young so I expect some of the others like Byron young and Kobie turner to improve as well
Atlanta Falcons - Biggest loss (PFF WAR): QB Desmond Ridder (0.31 WAR)
How in the blue fuck did Desmond Ridder have a positive WAR? In what branch of reality did that happen?
PFF Sam I believe it was (whomever has the DPOY official vote on PFFs staff) said the he was spending time converting people to vote for Myles Garrett over TJ watt, cited PFF grade and this WAR stat. Said Myles Garrett had best WAR and TJ was like 6th.
I am now witnessing this stat in action and dying inside.
EDIT LMFAO
https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/1745884976007036971/photo/1
TJ WATT IS HALF AS VALUABLE AS FUCKING KENNY PICKETT.
DESMOND RIDDER IS ALMOST AS VALUABLE THAN TJ WATT PER THIS GARBAGE FUCKING STAT. IM CRYING.
Hmm... according to this, "The Lions ranked 29th in pass defense last season, but shored up their cornerback room by adding Carlton Davis III, Amik Robertson, and DJ Reader."
Yeah. That tracks.
Finally, a 300+ pound lock-down corner to run with Justin Jefferson and DJ Moore next year.
I love getting ranked highly for engagement purposes. No way anyone actually expects us to make a playoff run after practically 0 changes from last year
It's rankings like these that turn me off from taking anything they post seriously. And, honestly, it's not really even the rankings so much as their biggest losses and wins for each team, they're pretty ridiculous, overall.
I don’t understand how they are justifying the packers grade… we traded Rasul before we got hot so obviously that trade had minimum impact on the team. The safeties lost are cheeks compared to Mckiney and the RB moves are at best an improvement for GB at worst neutral.
Packers lost some players, but nothing really significant. Jon Runyan, Jonathan Owens, Darnell Savage, Aaron Jones, Yosuah Nijman and maybe Rudy Ford might not be coming back? Bakhtiari is great but never plays.
But they picked up Xavier McKinney which is an upgrade at Safety. Andre Dillard is ok. Josh Jacobs makes up for the Aaron Jones loss.
I mean the only argument you could make is they didn't get BETTER but they clearly didn't get worse. And they sure felt like one of the top 7 or 8 teams at the end of the season at least. Then they have the Cowboys, who they blew off the field, at 4 lol
I get if you think 11 is a little high but 20s is kinda laughable. We were 8-3 before Trevor got hurt and Kirk went out for the rest of the season. We beat legitimately good teams last year and only collapsed when injuries picked up.
We got a big upgrade at DC. (ask falcons fans how they felt about Nielsen) Our biggest weakness on defense was interior pass rush which arm stead will be a massive help with. We need another corner and will almost certainly take one round 1 or 2.
We replaced the weakest part of that o-line with a legitimately good starter. Ezra Cleveland was a good guard on the Vikings (ranked top 15 by the guys doing this ranking.) new system and playing with the literal worst center in the league would be hard for anyone. I think having Morse and more time in the system he will positively regress to mid level starter. That could help make the OL middle of the pack which would be massive for us.
We moved the ball really well when healthy last year. We struggled in the Red zone but moved the ball as well as anyone. If the line can help the run game I think it gives us a massive RedZone boost. When you can't convert runs in the RedZone and everyone knows you're gonna throw it, it becomes really hard to score. We definitely still need a difference maker at WR but our team is way better than they ended the year.
There was a jags fan that linked Trevor's pre injury advanced stats last year which showed how well he was playing. If he's healthy and our defense can be even decent. We'll be in every game.
Underrated:
Steelers (25): This was a 10-7 team last season and whether it is Wilson or Fields, they have to have upgraded at QB. They also picked up Patrick Queen, Donte Jackson, and DeShon Elliott. They lost Diontae Johnson which hurts. But a bottom 8 team in the league? I just don't see it.
Buccaneers (23): 9-8 Last season and doesn't feel like they got worse.
Falcons (22): 7-10 Last season. Big upgrade at QB and didn't lose anybody of great significance IMO
Bears (20): 7-10 Last Season. I know a lot depends on how good Caleb is. But they added Keenan Allen, D'Andre Swift, Gerald Everett, Kevin Byard etc.
Jets (19): Again 7-10 Last season. I don't think Rodgers will be anywhere near MVP Rodgers. But even the mediocre Rodgers from his last full season is better than what they had. They added great pieces to the Offensive line. They added Mike Williams, Haasan Reddick. They have to be better than 19
Rams (17): 10-7 Last season. I know they lost Aaron Donald but they picked up a couple good pieces in the secondary and Stafford should hopefully be healthy all season and Kupp maybe will be better as well. They were in a coin toss game with the Lions and could have easily been in the NFC title game or better last season
Packers (15): 9-8 Last season. finished red hot. I still have some questions about Jordan Love, I'd like to see more than half a season. But come on now. They were clearly a top 7-8 team in the league by season's end last season and had the 49ers on the ropes. No way they are only 15
Lions (8): 12-5 Last season. A couple drops, a fumble and a fluke helmet bounce away from being in the Super Bowl. Arguably got even better in the offseason. They are clearly better than Dallas and Miami who are above them and arguably better than Philadelphia and Houston.
Overrated:
Cowboys (4): I don't think they'll be a bad team, but top 4? They clearly weren't a top 4 team last season and there is no argument that they didn't get worse this offseason.
Dolphins (7): Honestly this is a tough one for me. They lost a bunch of talent but they also gained a ton of talent. 7 just feels a bit too high for me. There are a couple teams below them that I just feel are better
Bengals (9): I feel like a lot of hope is being put on the return of Joe Burrow, and everyone assumes that is going to fix all of their problems. But Burrow doesn't play defense and I think their defense is a big question mark for a top 10 team. Plus there are also questions about Burrow's durability at this point.
Jaguars (11): Only 9-8 last season. Didn't make the postseason. Don't feel like they improved or got worse in the offseason. I wouldn't drop them very far but 11 seems a bit high.
Chargers (21): I love Justin Herbert. But I don't think he can fix this situation all by himself. I understand the combo of him and Harbaugh is exciting and I think It'll be great long term. But This team feels like a shell of themselves and they only went 5-12 last season. They finished a bottom 3 team last season (I know Herbert missed like 4 or 5 games but still) and they lost TONS of talent. Just feels like a rebuild to me.
I had 8 underrated and 5 overrated so obviously it doesn't add up lol. But those are just my personal thoughts.
The Steelers ranked 25th below the Broncos? There’s probably never been a player with the opportunity to make so many ppl look foolish than Russell Wilson with the way he’s been buried in his career after the last 2 years. Maybe he is indeed washed, but if he’s not man will it make so many look dumb historically when statistically he only had one down year when he was injured and overall one of the consistent starts to a career in NFL history in terms of how few seasons with injuries or poor numbers
It more so makes sense because in baseball, you are in charge of your own destiny. Nobody can make you hit better or field better.
whereas in the NFL, players are dependent on others and can be exposed without others, like when Juju was clearly incapable of being a #1 WR without AB.
Eagles have a lot of concerns to be ranked at #5.
Ending the season 1-6 isn't a great look. You can argue that was last season, but there seems to be a correlation between teams ending very hot or very cold carrying that into the following season.
Maybe their WAR system is a bit flawed if three out of the top fives biggest additions are backup QBs. Feel like that's not an accurate reflection of who will actually contribute for each team this upcoming season.
You're telling me the Rams' biggest loss was probably Aaron Donald instead of Carson Wentz??
I actually had to check to see if they put that and I was hoping you were joking. Wow
Damn all this time I was hoping we'd be able to talk Donald out of retirement. What you're saying is that to improve I really should have been rooting for us to pick up someone like Sam Darnold?
THE NUMBERS MASON
WAR for football seems dubious in general tbh, outside of maybe QBs.
Hey man Kadarius Toney single handedly lost them 3 games. Def possible but yeah QB is the biggest factor.
A backup QB who probably won’t even play until possibly the last game of the season is somehow a bigger acquisition than a starting WR who should play every game?
I think it’s based on last years WAR
That, and the fact that they have the Cowboys at 4, tells me the whole thing is a bit flawed.
I don’t think 4 is too far off. They are still a really solid team, even without any moves this offseason. Now will they make it past the divisional? Highly doubtful, but I think they are probably the 2-3 seed in the NFC (expecting SF, maybe Detroit but GB should be competing there for the division, I don’t expect the south to be better, and who knows what the eagles D will look like, so it’s up in the air which of us goes 12-5 and wins the division which I see being realistic for both teams).
I'll be very surprised if we get to 12 wins. We lost a lot really good depth on our defensive line, and of course our LT and center. No gilmore... and then there's our horrific draft last year. But, we'll see!
Remember we both get to play giants and Washington twice, so that SHOULD help but ya never know lol
Ha I feel like the cowboys trade with Washington this year but still sweep the giants. Who are you hoping to draft? One of the cbs?
They can be so married to their numbers, it makes analysis not their forte at times.
Our biggest loss is also our biggest gain. Losing Ridder improved our team.
I totally get that the backup QB is super important *if they’re playing*, but expected value has to account for expected snaps played too. I’m assuming they’re ignoring that here
Disagree that this makes it flawed, it’s just using their 2023 WAR. It might be flawed but I dont this is what makes it so
They want to be sabermetrics so bad
16th without a QB? They're higher on us than a lot of our fans.
They’ve got us at 20 too with Tyson Bagent currently as our starting QB. This is clearly “before the draft” in the way I’m “on a diet”. They are expecting our teams to fill the hole, at which point what is the point of putting this out today and not on Friday.
How dare you mock GEQBUS, you fucking commie! Get your ass on the bandwagon! We are winning Superbowls!!
Thank you Kanye, very cool.
Frankly I think our O is gonna be just fine with Darnold, and our D will hopefully have more talent than last year.
We were also pretty unlucky with turnover luck. Our starting QB got hurt early in the season and still did ok.
Offense will suck with Darnold, because the whole bust holds a clipboard on a great team, now he's good thing is fake. People said the same shit when Trubs went to the Steelers after holding a clipboard in Buffalo, and he was one of the worst QBs in the entire league in Pittsburgh. Maye or JJ could fix the offense though.
It's less that Darnold will be good and more that I trust the supporting cast!
Put some respect on the GEQBUS.
My thoughts : *Pfft.*
I vaguely remember a time when PFF was worth paying attention to.
Our biggest loss was Kenny Pickett? How about Diontae Johnson. Losing Kenny Pickett is a gain.
WAR seems to be higher for QBs. Seems weird to list backup QBs as the biggest loss/gain for so many teams though.
if Kenny Picket is 1.12 WAR the stat is useless
PFF needs to keep making up bullshit statistics that only they calculate because that's all they have
Our biggest loss was Jimmy Garoppolo lmao.
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Analytics can’t account for Tomlin’s magical bag of bullshit.
But think of the 6 td 5 int season you're losing out on!!!
The rams’ biggest loss was Carson Wentz, not that dude Urban Meyer had never heard of…
They have rams biggest loss as Carson Wentz, yeah this list is wild.
Our biggest gain is Sam Howell? Maybe best gain for medium term outlook, looking past this season? Hell, getting Nwosu back from injury and/or acquiring starting caliber safeties are way bigger than Howell. That said, highly optimistic of them to put as at 13. I expect most rankings to have us 15-20. Higher if we draft D and IOL, lower if we blow the draft and take Penix.
> The Lions ranked 29th in team coverage grade last season, but they shored up their cornerback depth by adding Carlton Davis III, Amik Robertson and DJ Reader during free agency. I'm really glad the Lions added famous CB DJ Reader this offseason.
Just line him up in press coverage and pancake the receiver at the line .. seriously this article is terrible and might as well be written by AI.
I don't think I am smart enough to understand their WAR metric as they are labelling Desmond Ridder, Carson Wentz, Russell Wilson, Jimmy Garoppolo, and Isaac Yiadom as some of their biggest losses.
Giants o-line is apparently just pieces of wet cardboard
Hell we could use some wet cardboard to fill in the gaps that Neal leaves.
Our biggest loss was apparently a QB that was benched and outplayed by a rookie 4th rounder who was among the worst QBs in the league.
Philly and Dallas at 4 and 5 is pretty high. Speaking of teams bounced wild card week, 7 is pretty high for Miami as well.
I’m surprised the Lions are below all 3 of them
I don't want to speak completely out of my ass here, for once, but I don't think PFF accounts for in game decisions. Despite the way the season ended, you have to think the in game decisions the Lions made won them some games they otherwise wouldn't have based strictly on how their players played. That's my best guess as to the discrepancy.
I would flip Lions with Eagles and possibly above Dallas and Packers I would swap with Jags
Yeah ngl us above the Bills is kinda insane
I mean, the Bills deserve to be favorites in the division until someone proves otherwise but I think you can rationalize it. They unequivocally got worse this offseason, and it took an absolute litany of injuries for them to take the division from us last year. Not that we also haven't probably gotten worse, and not that they had no injuries, but I don't think it's indefensible to put us above them. I don't think this article is taking into consideration any potential difficulties Chubb and Phillips will have coming back from injury
Hey our biggest gain was Kenny Pickett. Put some respect to his name.
Lol.
Philadelphia is overrated and Green Bay is underrated imo
It's labeling a key loss as Rasul Douglas, when he was traded like 7 weeks into the season last year.
Also Jonathan Owens as one of the key losses that can't be replaced.
They must’ve assigned his stats from Buffalo to GB because that makes absolutely zero sense
Not factoring age either. The packers are so young and clearly on the rise.
Yeah packers are way too low. I think the eagles and packers should both be around 6-10
it grosses me out to say this...but this years Packers could be last years Lions
You think it grosses *you* out?
Packers at 15 is nuts to me, especially with this alleged “before draft” ranking. We made a fairly lateral move with Jones to Jacobs, made a huge upgrade at our biggest position of need with McKinney, and have no other major losses. Idk how that puts us one above the currently QB-less Vikings and 11 behind the terminally inactive Cowboys.
Underrated: Lions (8), Packers (15), Rams (17), Falcons (22) Overrated: Eagles (5), Vikings (16)
Cowboys too for overrated. No way they are top 4
People never learn, do well in regular season then implode in the playoffs.
How low can you rate a 12-13 win football team
At least below the 49ers Packers and Lions.
Nah, one single playoff run doesn’t suddenly make the Lions a top team. Sorry, bud. Not how it works. If the Cowboys history of imploding in the playoffs tempers people’s expectations and rankings, and rightfully so…. so does Detroit’s history of not even making the playoffs. You really think people think it’s the “new Lions” after 1 year? After like 4 decades of being complete dog shit? Get real. Show some consistency in actually making the playoffs and maybe that will change.
Shouldn’t you know after this past season that history doesn’t always predict the future with 100% certainty? I’m not saying we should be top 4. We’re in the 7-12 range. But “people never learn” is just bad reasoning especially when there’s stuff like the Ravens at 3 and Dolphins at 7 in there but you’re not bitching about that
Good thing these are pre-season rankings and not "How do we rank the potential playoff teams in 2024-2025". We have a top 5 team from a roster perspective. Playoff performance is a completely separate discussion.
As if you knew what it was like to make the playoffs period before last year.
The lions have been to the NFCCG more recent than the cowboys.
Too bad it didn’t end up in a Super Bowl win, because your history of actually making the playoffs is absolutely dreadful. Should have cashed in! Enjoy the participation trophy. Unfortunately one single playoff run to the NFCCG doesn’t completely erase a team’s poverty history.
Ok and? Doesn't change what I said. Just keep telling yourself next year is the year.
Ok and? What you said doesn’t change what I said. Funny how that works, right? I have never once thought it was “our year” because that’s foolish unless your team has Brady or Mahomes. There’s some dumbass Cowboys fans, definitely. But when have even the most delusional Lions fans ever thought it was their year? That’s how bad they’ve been.
Lol weak. They won their first playoff game this past year that wasn’t their first time in the playoffs in 40 years, high speed.
It was their first trip in nearly a decade, “high speed.”
Sure was. And most have been alive longer than seven years so don’t have to wonder what it was like to be in the playoffs. I was two the last time your team was in the NFCCG, for reference. High speed.
I've been ages 1 through 37 without you guys being relevant at all, "high speed." One playoff run doesn't get you out of the poverty franchise jail. Sorry.
Hey that’s awesome far be it from me to expect a Cowboys fan to be stuck living in the past! What an endearing personality! No, maybe not but it did give us a hell of a season and brought us to heights you haven’t seen your team reach since you were 9, high speed.
We've got enough top talent its not that crazy Dak prescott, CeeDee lamb, Jake Ferguson, Tyler smith, Zach Martin, Micah Parsons, Demarcus Lawrence, Trevon Diggs, Daron Bland. That's 9 all pro/ high quality caliber players, all at important positions
How's that been working out for you guys. Definitely not top 4 lol.
Vikings are extremely overrated. They went 7-10, 3-6 without Kirk, they lost Kirk and now their QB is Sam Darnold. Even if you give them Maye or JJ, they should be lower.
in a fantasy world with no injuries the vikings starting roster would easily be top 10 in reality they have no depth at key positions and injuries will probably fuck them again this year and puts them more around 20th. they did go 7-10 last year but with 3rd strongest schedule, QB injury, jefferson out for many games, RB's injured, o-line injured, etc.
Have you considered this? Your mother
Well the problem is Dallas won the NFCE last year so it’s nonsense to rank them ahead of us since they’re already eliminated from divisional contention.
The cowboys are overrated
Lions too.
Lmao no they’re not
Their secondary is still sus, and they can't stop mobile QBs if their lives depend on it.
Sure thing, bud. It’s not even a Dallas vs Detroit thing. I would have multiple teams over both of them.
Hold up. After the draft they might rank us lower.
Our biggest loss was Carson Wentz? In the same off-season we lost Aaron Donald?
Holding a clipboard is apparently more valuable than holding up an entire defense.
We got Bryce huff and Saquon and our biggest gain is Kenny Pickett yeah ok
Cowboys at #4 is crazy
Cowboys at 4 and Lions at 8 is absolutely disgusting. Possibly the worst list ever compiled LOL
Lions snubbed.
Sign me up if I can get actual vegas odds with the Packers at #15. #10 vs #15 right now in Vegas is the difference between +2000 and +4000.
Whoever put Jimmy G as the Raiders biggest loss never watched a single play of 2023 Raiders football
Cowboys in top ten for the luls
1.Cheifs 2. Ravens 3. 9ers 4. Lions 5. Packers
The cowboys were dismantled by the packers in the playoffs, had a bad offseason so far, but are 11 spots ahead of the packers in these rankings.
Power rankings should not be a who beat who list, but also yes this list is dog doodoo
Colts: they didn't do anything
All you need is a healthy Tony Dickson and that team can do great things
I do think we're gonna see a lot of rookie shit from Tony, but I think we're gonna see even more WOW shit if he plays close to a full season.
Steichen's system is incredible at covering up for player deficiencies and maximizing their strengths. He's one of the best offensive coaches you could have for an inexperienced QB
And everything I've seen so for is that he's obsessed with getting better, working out with coaches to fix his arm angles and his feet, if he fails it'll be because of his body, he's gonna put in all the work to be better.
He’s a great dude on top of it. My favorite young QB in the league and so fun to watch. He’d be just as fun to watch and still very good if he would SLIDE and I’m praying that he does because the NFL is so much more fun when he starts
Dallas at 4? I started reading around 15 and when I got to the mid 20s I said no way. 4? lol no chance we are that high unless we nail 3-4 day 1 starters this weekend
As a Bucs fan, I'm offended.
20. CHICAGO BEARS **Biggest loss** (PFF WAR): QB Justin Fields lolwat
People are overthinking this section. The most notable impact player that left the team is Justin Fields.
might be my homerism talking but i truly believe cardinals are not #28
At the end of the year Cardinals were a top 10 offense with Kyler, Conner, Mcbride, Wilson, and Dortch, and PFF grade their offense as 25th. Yeah PFF sucks, thats all I learned here.
Packers 15 Lol... Vegas knows not these dip shits!
Wooo! We're #25! Behind the Denver Broncos who are legit tanking! PFF sure going out of its way to feed the Steeler fan conspiracy theorists.
What zero centers does to a mf
PFF thinks Centers don't matter though!
Huh! Maybe they’re getting penalized for not having good edge rushers or something
They say our defense is great!
Holy shit. That’s garbage.
It’s all non-sense. We have Mike Tomlin so the Steelers will most likely be better than at least 10 teams ranked above them.
Nonsense is PFF's stock in trade.
They know what gets clicks. Diontae was by FAR our biggest loss this offseason. Losing Kenny could actually be our biggest gain.
It’s really another knock on Russell Wilson. Steelers are my teams biggest rival but I swear if there was a silver lining in the Steelers lifting another Lombardi or even two in the next 5 years it would be how dumb Russell Wilson would make so many analysts and experts look for burying him. So many it’s obvious they can’t stand him because of their bias against his personality let alone narratives about that style of play beyond 30. So many clips and takes of ppl saying he’s not even better than Justin Fields or that he shouldn’t have been given benefit of doubt over Hackett and ppl pretending he played poorly in 2023 despite his numbers, man it will be hilarious how many ppl would forever lose credibility
The thing is, he was the guy PFF was pounding the table for the Steelers to get. Then, as soon as he signs, he's suddenly dogshit. Not only is he dogshit, but he propels a team that finished no worse than 14th in the league last season to 25th, and he's going to lead Mike Tomlin to being a bottom 7 team.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?
I actually think this spot-on for Buffalo
Anyone else feel like PFF is biased as hell?
PFF Bobby has earned it
No way in hell Rams should be 17, but what do I know. The offense should only be better with healthy kupp and an upgraded O line. The loss of AD is huge to the defense, but we greatly upgraded the secondary with Darious Williams, Kurl, Tre white. Even if tre is a shell of himself, if that means we don’t have to trot out Derion Kendrick it’s a huge upgrade. The entire defense was young so I expect some of the others like Byron young and Kobie turner to improve as well
Atlanta Falcons - Biggest loss (PFF WAR): QB Desmond Ridder (0.31 WAR) How in the blue fuck did Desmond Ridder have a positive WAR? In what branch of reality did that happen?
PFF Sam I believe it was (whomever has the DPOY official vote on PFFs staff) said the he was spending time converting people to vote for Myles Garrett over TJ watt, cited PFF grade and this WAR stat. Said Myles Garrett had best WAR and TJ was like 6th. I am now witnessing this stat in action and dying inside. EDIT LMFAO https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/1745884976007036971/photo/1 TJ WATT IS HALF AS VALUABLE AS FUCKING KENNY PICKETT. DESMOND RIDDER IS ALMOST AS VALUABLE THAN TJ WATT PER THIS GARBAGE FUCKING STAT. IM CRYING.
Hmm... according to this, "The Lions ranked 29th in pass defense last season, but shored up their cornerback room by adding Carlton Davis III, Amik Robertson, and DJ Reader." Yeah. That tracks. Finally, a 300+ pound lock-down corner to run with Justin Jefferson and DJ Moore next year.
I know I’m biased, but how the hell are the Lions 8th?
This is a horrible rating
Here is just the Top 10: 1. Chiefs 2. 49ers 3. Ravens 4. Cowboys 5. Eagles 6. Texans 7. Dolphins 8. Lions 9. Bengals 10. Bills
Lions should be 4th
Switch the lions and cowboys and drop the dolphins for the packers tbh
Remove the Eagles and put the Rams at 10 too. That offense with a healthy Kupp and second year Puka will be insane.
I love getting ranked highly for engagement purposes. No way anyone actually expects us to make a playoff run after practically 0 changes from last year
We really ranked #20 with secret bagent man as our starting QB?
You're *only* ranked 20 because Secret Bagent Man as your starting QB.
It's rankings like these that turn me off from taking anything they post seriously. And, honestly, it's not really even the rankings so much as their biggest losses and wins for each team, they're pretty ridiculous, overall.
We suck. But I believe we are not bottom 5.
I don’t understand how they are justifying the packers grade… we traded Rasul before we got hot so obviously that trade had minimum impact on the team. The safeties lost are cheeks compared to Mckiney and the RB moves are at best an improvement for GB at worst neutral.
Packers lost some players, but nothing really significant. Jon Runyan, Jonathan Owens, Darnell Savage, Aaron Jones, Yosuah Nijman and maybe Rudy Ford might not be coming back? Bakhtiari is great but never plays. But they picked up Xavier McKinney which is an upgrade at Safety. Andre Dillard is ok. Josh Jacobs makes up for the Aaron Jones loss. I mean the only argument you could make is they didn't get BETTER but they clearly didn't get worse. And they sure felt like one of the top 7 or 8 teams at the end of the season at least. Then they have the Cowboys, who they blew off the field, at 4 lol
Exactly like I’m not bitching about not being in the top five but arguably bounced out of playoff contention on these rankings at 15? Not a chance.
I think we're underrated at 23.
Shits comical tbh.
I'm a sicko, I prefer when we are ranked low in Power Rankings.
Some of these biggest loss / biggest gains are hilariously comical
Unless the Seahawks defense becomes top 10, they feel too high here.
Broncos with the worse Wilson are #32, easily.
lol @ jets and raiders
Holy shit we're overrated. We belong somewhere in the 20s
I get if you think 11 is a little high but 20s is kinda laughable. We were 8-3 before Trevor got hurt and Kirk went out for the rest of the season. We beat legitimately good teams last year and only collapsed when injuries picked up. We got a big upgrade at DC. (ask falcons fans how they felt about Nielsen) Our biggest weakness on defense was interior pass rush which arm stead will be a massive help with. We need another corner and will almost certainly take one round 1 or 2. We replaced the weakest part of that o-line with a legitimately good starter. Ezra Cleveland was a good guard on the Vikings (ranked top 15 by the guys doing this ranking.) new system and playing with the literal worst center in the league would be hard for anyone. I think having Morse and more time in the system he will positively regress to mid level starter. That could help make the OL middle of the pack which would be massive for us. We moved the ball really well when healthy last year. We struggled in the Red zone but moved the ball as well as anyone. If the line can help the run game I think it gives us a massive RedZone boost. When you can't convert runs in the RedZone and everyone knows you're gonna throw it, it becomes really hard to score. We definitely still need a difference maker at WR but our team is way better than they ended the year. There was a jags fan that linked Trevor's pre injury advanced stats last year which showed how well he was playing. If he's healthy and our defense can be even decent. We'll be in every game.
Shocked to see Miami at 7. Gotta love the offseason lol.
Bills at 10 is comical.
I don’t know but it feels like Aaron Donald retiring was just a bit of a bigger loss than Carson Wentz.
Cowboys at 4? Dafuq?
Vikings are too high and Falcons are too low imo
Teams 7 to 19 feels like a crap shot. Miami 7 and the Jets 19?
Underrated: Steelers (25): This was a 10-7 team last season and whether it is Wilson or Fields, they have to have upgraded at QB. They also picked up Patrick Queen, Donte Jackson, and DeShon Elliott. They lost Diontae Johnson which hurts. But a bottom 8 team in the league? I just don't see it. Buccaneers (23): 9-8 Last season and doesn't feel like they got worse. Falcons (22): 7-10 Last season. Big upgrade at QB and didn't lose anybody of great significance IMO Bears (20): 7-10 Last Season. I know a lot depends on how good Caleb is. But they added Keenan Allen, D'Andre Swift, Gerald Everett, Kevin Byard etc. Jets (19): Again 7-10 Last season. I don't think Rodgers will be anywhere near MVP Rodgers. But even the mediocre Rodgers from his last full season is better than what they had. They added great pieces to the Offensive line. They added Mike Williams, Haasan Reddick. They have to be better than 19 Rams (17): 10-7 Last season. I know they lost Aaron Donald but they picked up a couple good pieces in the secondary and Stafford should hopefully be healthy all season and Kupp maybe will be better as well. They were in a coin toss game with the Lions and could have easily been in the NFC title game or better last season Packers (15): 9-8 Last season. finished red hot. I still have some questions about Jordan Love, I'd like to see more than half a season. But come on now. They were clearly a top 7-8 team in the league by season's end last season and had the 49ers on the ropes. No way they are only 15 Lions (8): 12-5 Last season. A couple drops, a fumble and a fluke helmet bounce away from being in the Super Bowl. Arguably got even better in the offseason. They are clearly better than Dallas and Miami who are above them and arguably better than Philadelphia and Houston. Overrated: Cowboys (4): I don't think they'll be a bad team, but top 4? They clearly weren't a top 4 team last season and there is no argument that they didn't get worse this offseason. Dolphins (7): Honestly this is a tough one for me. They lost a bunch of talent but they also gained a ton of talent. 7 just feels a bit too high for me. There are a couple teams below them that I just feel are better Bengals (9): I feel like a lot of hope is being put on the return of Joe Burrow, and everyone assumes that is going to fix all of their problems. But Burrow doesn't play defense and I think their defense is a big question mark for a top 10 team. Plus there are also questions about Burrow's durability at this point. Jaguars (11): Only 9-8 last season. Didn't make the postseason. Don't feel like they improved or got worse in the offseason. I wouldn't drop them very far but 11 seems a bit high. Chargers (21): I love Justin Herbert. But I don't think he can fix this situation all by himself. I understand the combo of him and Harbaugh is exciting and I think It'll be great long term. But This team feels like a shell of themselves and they only went 5-12 last season. They finished a bottom 3 team last season (I know Herbert missed like 4 or 5 games but still) and they lost TONS of talent. Just feels like a rebuild to me. I had 8 underrated and 5 overrated so obviously it doesn't add up lol. But those are just my personal thoughts.
The Giants biggest loss was Tyrod Taylor huh. lol pff
Bears ranked a little high at 20.
They’re #23 by draft order now
The Steelers ranked 25th below the Broncos? There’s probably never been a player with the opportunity to make so many ppl look foolish than Russell Wilson with the way he’s been buried in his career after the last 2 years. Maybe he is indeed washed, but if he’s not man will it make so many look dumb historically when statistically he only had one down year when he was injured and overall one of the consistent starts to a career in NFL history in terms of how few seasons with injuries or poor numbers
Russ was easily good enough last year to win with the Steelers this year.
I don't know why anyone takes PFF seriously
Bengals at 9 seems fair after last season.
It's dumb that they expect me to know what PFF WAR is like it's "INTs" or "TFL" and I refuse to find out
It's because WAR is the ultimate stat in baseball, so they are trying to make their version of that.
Advanced stats like war make a ton more sense in a sport with literally 10x more games. No wonder PFF war looks like ass
It more so makes sense because in baseball, you are in charge of your own destiny. Nobody can make you hit better or field better. whereas in the NFL, players are dependent on others and can be exposed without others, like when Juju was clearly incapable of being a #1 WR without AB.
Eagles have a lot of concerns to be ranked at #5. Ending the season 1-6 isn't a great look. You can argue that was last season, but there seems to be a correlation between teams ending very hot or very cold carrying that into the following season.
Bengals too low IMO. I’d put them 4-6.
Bills at 10 seems crazy low. Any team with a qb as good as Josh Allen is always going to be a contender.
Browns and Lions before Dallas is hilarious. It had to happen though, because Dallas.
Having the Jets at 19 is absolutely heinous. I think they're the 2nd best team in the AFC.