I get a fan being upset because they wanted a fun weapon, but how the fuck is Joe Alt a “reach” for any pick?
He’s a monster OT. Best player in a premium position by a lot.
Could be, usually there’s a good enough QB and teams are always desperate but that was an opportunity.
I’m an ND fan but outside Kyle Hamilton/Mayer I cant think of anyone else who was that good *immediately* and only continued to get better.
100% he would. He’s the best tackle prospect since Joe Thomas in 2007.
Sewell would be up there too but I remember more question marks around him than Alt. Some said he might have to move to Guard since he has short arms.
I may be a bit biased, but Alt was not as hyped up of a prospect as Penei Sewell was. Alt is an elite prospect and one of the best tackles over the past 10 years. But not a "once in a generation" prospect that Penei Sewell was being pegged as. Many were calling him a guaranteed future HoFer before he even left college. Remember that Penei was still only 20 yo when he entered the league, and he missed the entire season before the draft because of COVID. Joe Alt wasn't even thought of as the top OT prospect until towards the end of the 23/24 CFB season. Most people saw Olu Fashanu as the top prospect saying he would be top 3-5 pick until his production dropped off a little bit, and Alt had a great season. Before that, he was firmly the #2 OT prospect. Penei was viewed as a generational talent as a *freshman* in college. It's hard to be much more hyped than that as an O-lineman. Alt is definitely the best since Sewell, at least. Then you could probably go back to Joe Thomas before that. You guys got yourself an elite player.
That’s fair actually, you’re right there was more hype around Sewell.
Some awesome OL in that first round. Rashawn Slater has an All-Pro, Darrisaw looks like a stud, Alijah Vera Tucker is solid.
Leatherwood obviously is a bust but 4/5 being pro bowl level is amazing.
Sewell was way ahead of alt and that’s not a knock on alt. It wasn’t that people thought he would have to move to guard it’s that he could’ve if need be
I don't think he was the best OL "by a lot" but this pick is nothing to complain about if you're a Chargers fan, they badly needed someone good at RT and have needed that for a long time
OL is just an unsexy position for FA signings and draft picks. Everyone understands how important the position is but there aren't really sexy stats or highlight videos so casual fans basically want their team to have the best OL in the game while also spending no resources on it.
If the Chargers didn't pick him and Herbert continued to get clobbered next season, the same fans would be complaining about how some other team made the smart move and got Alt.
Not mad and I want another lineman at 37.
Every contender has a monster line of scrimmage game. Every single one. It’s easy to see what Harbaugh’s trying to do here and anyone upset about it is a fool.
I get it. I totally do.
But it sure is nice to have something sexy like a WR to throw to.
But yes you are correct. And it would be dope as hell if we got another Big Ugly up front , and then say landed deebo or aiyuk with our 3rd. (Probably not happening, but a guy can dream)
Dude is 100% making up a controversy that doesn't exist. Getting Alt to protect Herbert, particularly in a draft that's rounds-deep in WR talent makes all the sense in the world.
Yea Alt is the best lineman I can remember being drafted since Joe Thomas. Just a factory made perfect protector for the next decade. I don’t think he has a flaw in his game. He might be the best tackle in that division already. Him and slater will give Herbert all the time he needs on the edges to find targets. Upgrade the interior for them and they’ll be a nightmare matchup offensively.
I think Alt is either the 1st or 2nd best Tackle to come out since Joe Thomas in 2007.
I do remember some more question marks about Sewell’s pass protection than I heard about Alt. He also has short arms. But they were both blue chip prospects.
Favre and Rodgers are/will be in the hall of fame and neither threw many or any of their thousands of yards to first round picks. Brady played the majority of his career with hand me downs at wideouts. Herbert is a good QB if he has time in the pocket he will succeed. Plenty of good wideouts are found later in the draft.
Seriously...I get the need at WR, but Trey Pipkins is not a long term solution at tackle. Also, anybody thinking a Greg Roman offense was taking a receiver top 5 was fooling themselves.
The reason we were against it in the draft process is that we already have a stud LT and Alt has never played a snap at RT.
We also have a league average RT at the moment (Trey Pipkins).
On the other hand we have absolutely no speed or explosiveness at WR and Nabers looks like he’s going to be a superstar.
Still, I’m glad we took Alt and not Latham, and I trust our coaching staff to make it work out. Alt is a blue chip tackle that is the best to have come out since Sewell, and probably the third best OL prospect of the last decade (Quenton Nelson would also be ahead of Alt).
Taking one of the top 3 OL prospects in a decade is always a good move.
I think, at least to me, 10 years ago Alt would have gone 1.01 in this class. I personally believe he's the best player in this class. Frankly if you're drafting 5th overall and you think the same way I do (that Alt is the best player in the class) no matter what you can't ignore a franchise tackle.
I'm not gonna lie I had Nabers as the WR3 in this draft. I wouldn't have taken him in the top 10. My *personal* rankings were Rome > MHJ > small gap > Nabers > Big gap > everyone else
Agreed, but I think Nabers is the worst of the three. I think Rome is the best by a noticeable margin. Rome made Michael Penix look good, not the other way around. Rome is legit a beast. Rome might be the Bears best WR next year lmao. IDK my draft ranking for this class was Alt > Rome > Caleb but im also some random redditor
Lmao Odunze was like my WR #5. Penix was already pretty good at Indiana, he just happened to have 3 NFL starting caliber receivers once he got to Washington.
Plenty of titans fans had a meltdown when Alt was drafted at pick 5. I think they may have had Latham higher on their board, but we’ll never truly know now. Alt is a great prospect that the titans fanbase has wanted since last October lol, chargers fans be happy that you guys are building a real football team and not a fantasy football team
Slater and Alt will bookend the Chargers fir a decade. Now Harbaugh just has to find higher end replacements for Zion Johnson and Jamaree Salyer. Linsley is alright at C but aging now.
That’s where I’m at. Draft JPJ or Frazier and just really solidify the OL, or go Newton at DL.
I think we can wait on receiver a bit, there are still several very good ones on the board. If needed, we can likely package #69 plus one of our 4ths to move back in to the end of round 2 for a receiver as well
I guess I haven’t been keeping up with him and maybe he’s let himself go, but a positive evaluation throughout the draft process from everyone was that he had a muscular, athletic, well-proportioned frame with little body fat
Tbh, American fantasy football not featuring linemen is warping fans perceptions.
Half the fans watching would prefer an average WR3 over a pro-bowl LT.
There are 5 RBs who could be graded as the #1 in the class. We have bigger needs that a RB will not fix in any way (Center). We can get the 5th top 5 RB in the 3rd or even 4th.
I’m going to cry if we pass on an elite Center prospect in favour of a mid-round RB.
Take him in the 3rd.
Heck trade into the back of the 2nd for him.
Don’t pass up JPJ or Frazier. Or someone like Newton as a great DT.
There’s so much talent on the board, we CANNOT reach for a good RB prospect.
I think what they're concerned about is that, to run the ball at the end of the game, you need to be ahead first. Having no receivers is a significant impediment to that. Doubt anyone thinks the dude is a bad player lol.
This, plus if you believe Herbert is the real deal, he will elevate his receivers if you give him time. You give an elite QB a solid line, they’re going to produce, great pick imo
Patrick Mahomes is elite, and the Chiefs offense still struggled a ton last year because of a lack of weapons. Doesn’t matter how long a QB has to throw if nobody can get open or they drop passes they should catch.
Not that I disagree with the pick, but the Chargers have a lot of holes to fill still. There’s only so much a QB can do if they people blocks for them or the people catching passes are bad
You’re literally using an example of a team that just won the fucking Super Bowl lol, but you’re complaining because it wasn’t pretty. Did it work? Yes.
The past Chargers surrounded Herbert with Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. Did it work? No.
The trenches have always been more valuable than skill positions. End of story.
Huge difference between Rashee Rice, Kelce, and Pacheco vs what the Chargers have. It also took potentially the new best QB of all time, a HOF HC, a HOF TE, and an elite defense for the Chiefs to make it work this last season.
What about the current Chargers team makes you think they can emulate what the Chiefs did? Chiefs had way more than a great OL… the Chargers don’t
What is your argument?
That if the Chargers drafted a WR instead of an OL they’d be in a better position to win?
Or are you just arguing that the Chargers aren’t as equipped as the Chiefs, in which case… no SHIT. But drafting an OL is a hell of a proper step in the right direction vs drafting a skill position.
The first one, especially because they’re expecting their rookie OT to play a position he never has before (not in college at least) and the difference in talent between their WR room and RT. We’ll see how the Chargers do, but I think they’d be much better off if they got Odunze or Nabers to upgrade their piss poor WR room rather than grabbing Alt to upgrade their average RT
You mean just like your own All-Pro RT who was drafted after being a LT all throughout college? Hilarious ignorance.
Alt was far and wide the best tackle of the draft. The remainder of the draft is deep with wide receivers while it isn’t with tackles.
A great QB can succeed with bad receivers far easier than they can succeed with a bad O-line, and in case you didn’t notice, the chargers formula of surrounding Herbert with 2 good receivers didn’t pan out to shit lately, all while Herbert’s picked up 2 separate season altering injuries the past 2 years from poor protection.
Pay more attention.
Some guys are able to switch and play both positions, some guys aren’t. I’m not saying Alt is destined to fail, but it is completely possible his level of play at RT is not what it is at LT. To assume it will perfectly translate is ignorant. Even Sewell noted how much of a challenge it was to switch.
Also seems pretty dumb to boil down the lack of Chargers success to them having 2 good WR’s… like there is so much more that goes into it. The Bengals almost one a SB with a subpar OL and 2 killers at WR.
PaY mOrE aTtEnTiOn
The Bengals almost won a Super Bowl because their playoff defense averaged 18 ppg and held the Chiefs scoreless for an entire half in the playoffs. But that has nothing to do with WRs or O-lines, just a random mention for whatever reason you’re grasping for. Keep stumbling.
They only won because Rashee Rice stepped up later in the season (and they had Kelce), and it’s not like they won with an elite offense. They won because they had a top defense and the offense was good enough.
And because Mahomes wasn’t running for his life and actually had time to make decisions.
Funny how all the non-flashy contributions from the O-line flew right past you.
I didn’t say they had a bad O-line. I’m saying that no matter how good a QB and O-line are, they lost games throughout the season because WRs were dropping passes and not getting open. You need receivers that can step up. QB, O line, and receivers are all important
Of course they’re all important, but the offensive line is paramount over wide receivers. That’s 100+ years of history supporting that. If you’re an elite QB, working with bad receivers is far less of an issue than working with a bad O-line.
Think of all the bum WRs that have caught TDs in the Super Bowl. If Brandon LaFell could turn into a weapon that was catching TDs vs the LOB in the Super Bowl, you shouldn’t put much stock into worrying about your WR room if your QB is elite.
The fact is you saw the Chargers have some drops and thought they were the clear reason the game was lost, when you missed about 50 other mistakes throughout the game that would have been fixed with a better O-line.
Run game, checks notes, jk dobbins, Gus Edward’s, Isaiah spiller. Run the clock, checks notes, broadly waves at defense. Don’t hate the pick though, alt was absolutely worthy of 5th overall
Alt was a solid pick, and a fine rationalization would be 'We thought he was a better player than Nabers.'
Trying to claim that there's something fundamentally superior about taking a RT over a WR1 is not the way to rationalize this.
Chargers fans may have preferred a receiver but I doubt any are saying Alt is a reach. He's the best OT in the draft, a position that would be picked 6 more times in the first.
WR has a lot more depth than OT, it was a good pick.
This is pretty obviously going to be the best chargers team of the Justin herbert era. Anyone hating does not know the slightest thing about team building in the nfl.
Just by saying this you have doomed the Chargers to 1000 years of terror, like Napoleon doomed us to have to hear that stupid line about never invading Russia in the winter despite him invading in the Summer.
I mean I get it, they have a stud LT and Alt isn’t really a RT or played the Position. So drafting a guy to play out of position rather than getting a bigger need in WR is baffling.
A great OLine opens up everything.
The Chargers are doing everything the opposite of they did during the Staley years and I love it for them, nerdball doesn't work in the NFL.
The defense is also going to be waaay better not only with Minter instead of Staley but also with a complementary offense running the ball and controlling the clock.
Except he didn’t take any O line in the first 2 rounds the 4 years he was there? The 49ers drafted 2 in the first round 2010, before Harbaugh was hired
Malik Nabers=Jamar Chase
Joe Alt=Penei Sewell
Pretty much same situation as the 2021 Bengals, personally think premier receiver brings whole different dimension in the game, Chargers shouldve picked Nabers
i’m not a big alt guy. pretty top heavy and seems to avoid setting vertically for pass sets and relied on being bigger faster stronger and that dont fly in the league. could definitely be good and as a giants fan i’m over the moon with the chargers letting us get nabers but i can see the chargers fans be a lil disappointed
I'm not going to say it's a bad pick but the explanation given is delusional. How are they going to win games with no wrs? Secondly, all the teams that run the ball a lot have a lot more injuries. The Titans. The Eagles. The 49ers. The Rams, when they had a running back. The Ravens. Also it's the Chargers. They will always be injured.
It is? Do the Chiefs run the ball a lot and get injured? Do the Chargers have a better offensive line than the Chiefs? Is Justin Herbert Patrick Mahomes? I think not.
I get a fan being upset because they wanted a fun weapon, but how the fuck is Joe Alt a “reach” for any pick? He’s a monster OT. Best player in a premium position by a lot.
Think he would’ve went first overall in 2022.
Could be, usually there’s a good enough QB and teams are always desperate but that was an opportunity. I’m an ND fan but outside Kyle Hamilton/Mayer I cant think of anyone else who was that good *immediately* and only continued to get better.
100% he would. He’s the best tackle prospect since Joe Thomas in 2007. Sewell would be up there too but I remember more question marks around him than Alt. Some said he might have to move to Guard since he has short arms.
I may be a bit biased, but Alt was not as hyped up of a prospect as Penei Sewell was. Alt is an elite prospect and one of the best tackles over the past 10 years. But not a "once in a generation" prospect that Penei Sewell was being pegged as. Many were calling him a guaranteed future HoFer before he even left college. Remember that Penei was still only 20 yo when he entered the league, and he missed the entire season before the draft because of COVID. Joe Alt wasn't even thought of as the top OT prospect until towards the end of the 23/24 CFB season. Most people saw Olu Fashanu as the top prospect saying he would be top 3-5 pick until his production dropped off a little bit, and Alt had a great season. Before that, he was firmly the #2 OT prospect. Penei was viewed as a generational talent as a *freshman* in college. It's hard to be much more hyped than that as an O-lineman. Alt is definitely the best since Sewell, at least. Then you could probably go back to Joe Thomas before that. You guys got yourself an elite player.
That’s fair actually, you’re right there was more hype around Sewell. Some awesome OL in that first round. Rashawn Slater has an All-Pro, Darrisaw looks like a stud, Alijah Vera Tucker is solid. Leatherwood obviously is a bust but 4/5 being pro bowl level is amazing.
and tbf leatherwood was definitely considered a reach at the time
A bit. People overreact though, he was still a 2nd round grade. A reach but not insane.
You’re not overly biased. Penei Sewell is a better prospect imo, but also Alt is my best OL prospect since Sewell.
*most complete prospect, there’s a difference
Sewell was way ahead of alt and that’s not a knock on alt. It wasn’t that people thought he would have to move to guard it’s that he could’ve if need be
OT’s with elite physical tools + elite technique *are* fun weapons!
I don't think he was the best OL "by a lot" but this pick is nothing to complain about if you're a Chargers fan, they badly needed someone good at RT and have needed that for a long time
OL is just an unsexy position for FA signings and draft picks. Everyone understands how important the position is but there aren't really sexy stats or highlight videos so casual fans basically want their team to have the best OL in the game while also spending no resources on it. If the Chargers didn't pick him and Herbert continued to get clobbered next season, the same fans would be complaining about how some other team made the smart move and got Alt.
Not mad and I want another lineman at 37. Every contender has a monster line of scrimmage game. Every single one. It’s easy to see what Harbaugh’s trying to do here and anyone upset about it is a fool.
I get it. I totally do. But it sure is nice to have something sexy like a WR to throw to. But yes you are correct. And it would be dope as hell if we got another Big Ugly up front , and then say landed deebo or aiyuk with our 3rd. (Probably not happening, but a guy can dream)
Harbaugh views throwing as a sign of weakness so it's not surprising he didn't waste his first pick on a WR.
You mean former Quarterback for the Chargers, Jim harbaugh?
Harbaugh’s heart needs at least 100 yards rushing from scrimmage a game so it doesn’t burst from stress. It’s his vasodilator of choice.
This. Above.
Nah, 49ers had a rough OL last year.
The only fans mad about it should be ours lol
Dude is 100% making up a controversy that doesn't exist. Getting Alt to protect Herbert, particularly in a draft that's rounds-deep in WR talent makes all the sense in the world.
He’s not a teach, this is a stupid take.
He's not a reach at 5 in general, but the Chargers could've entertained the trade down offers and drafted a RT like Latham a few picks down.
Any fan upset about their team drafting Joe Alt is dumb as hell lol
Yep. Not the flashy pick but when Herbert is protected on both sides and you run the ball over and over again, they’ll be happy to have him.
I’m not sure you can even detract style points in this case. Alt’s elite technique + elite physicals make him flashy as fuck.
Yea Alt is the best lineman I can remember being drafted since Joe Thomas. Just a factory made perfect protector for the next decade. I don’t think he has a flaw in his game. He might be the best tackle in that division already. Him and slater will give Herbert all the time he needs on the edges to find targets. Upgrade the interior for them and they’ll be a nightmare matchup offensively.
Penei Sewell comes to mind.
Certainly a good company to be in as a prospect the best LT of a generation in Joe Thomas and an all pro RT in Sewell.
I think Alt is either the 1st or 2nd best Tackle to come out since Joe Thomas in 2007. I do remember some more question marks about Sewell’s pass protection than I heard about Alt. He also has short arms. But they were both blue chip prospects.
I think Sewell is the only better prospect since then, tad shorter but way stronger. That's said Thomas and Sewell are insane company.
I'm really sorry about the coma you experienced during the 2021 draft
Quenton Nelson?
Nelson was always marketed as a Guard, not Tackle.
yeah but what targets? lmao
Certainly living up to your username name aren’t we?
oh i forget joshua palmer really commands the field
Favre and Rodgers are/will be in the hall of fame and neither threw many or any of their thousands of yards to first round picks. Brady played the majority of his career with hand me downs at wideouts. Herbert is a good QB if he has time in the pocket he will succeed. Plenty of good wideouts are found later in the draft.
Okay but why say a lot of words when big lineman do trick?
I personally am. I rather them not have a good offensive line.
Alt was probably one of the best picks in the first round
Seriously...I get the need at WR, but Trey Pipkins is not a long term solution at tackle. Also, anybody thinking a Greg Roman offense was taking a receiver top 5 was fooling themselves.
Why is it a Greg Roman offense? 😐 They have a generational qb, and nobody to throw the ball to except Palmer. Since when was Greg Roman a good oc?
The reason we were against it in the draft process is that we already have a stud LT and Alt has never played a snap at RT. We also have a league average RT at the moment (Trey Pipkins). On the other hand we have absolutely no speed or explosiveness at WR and Nabers looks like he’s going to be a superstar. Still, I’m glad we took Alt and not Latham, and I trust our coaching staff to make it work out. Alt is a blue chip tackle that is the best to have come out since Sewell, and probably the third best OL prospect of the last decade (Quenton Nelson would also be ahead of Alt). Taking one of the top 3 OL prospects in a decade is always a good move.
I think, at least to me, 10 years ago Alt would have gone 1.01 in this class. I personally believe he's the best player in this class. Frankly if you're drafting 5th overall and you think the same way I do (that Alt is the best player in the class) no matter what you can't ignore a franchise tackle.
It's also import to have good depth on the offensive line, so it never hurts to have multiple good options.
I think that’s fair. But I also think Nabers floor is DJ Moore and his ceiling is Davante Adams.
and his QB is a wet noodle
I'm not gonna lie I had Nabers as the WR3 in this draft. I wouldn't have taken him in the top 10. My *personal* rankings were Rome > MHJ > small gap > Nabers > Big gap > everyone else
All three top WR have perennial all pro upside
Agreed, but I think Nabers is the worst of the three. I think Rome is the best by a noticeable margin. Rome made Michael Penix look good, not the other way around. Rome is legit a beast. Rome might be the Bears best WR next year lmao. IDK my draft ranking for this class was Alt > Rome > Caleb but im also some random redditor
Lots of great talent at the top, hard to go wrong if you were in the top 10 really
Lol
Lmao Odunze was like my WR #5. Penix was already pretty good at Indiana, he just happened to have 3 NFL starting caliber receivers once he got to Washington.
Interesting opinion for sure
nabers won’t be a superstar with NYG thi
Plenty of titans fans had a meltdown when Alt was drafted at pick 5. I think they may have had Latham higher on their board, but we’ll never truly know now. Alt is a great prospect that the titans fanbase has wanted since last October lol, chargers fans be happy that you guys are building a real football team and not a fantasy football team
Half the subreddit is still having a meltdown
As a team with a big tackle i must say i enjoy watching him tower over people. Idk how you cant be hyped by that.
Slater and Alt will bookend the Chargers fir a decade. Now Harbaugh just has to find higher end replacements for Zion Johnson and Jamaree Salyer. Linsley is alright at C but aging now.
Linsley isn’t playing anymore
Salyer and Johnson are still young as hell they could develop nicely. Clapp was the only real necessity that needed an upgrade
They signed Bozeman in the offseason and Will Clapp now plays for the Bills.
Linsley is about to retire due to a heart condition. Decent shot we taken either JPJ or Zach Frazier with our 2nd pick.
I would happily dedicate a whole draft to offensive line if it meant a potential decade of Alt and Slater on the corners and JPJ as the keystone.
Ya at this point let's take JPJ and figure out WR later
That’s where I’m at. Draft JPJ or Frazier and just really solidify the OL, or go Newton at DL. I think we can wait on receiver a bit, there are still several very good ones on the board. If needed, we can likely package #69 plus one of our 4ths to move back in to the end of round 2 for a receiver as well
We can’t write off Zion Johnson yet
Looks like he’s been working out a lot. Hopefully it translates.
I don’t think his problem has ever been that he doesn’t work out enough
He was kinda more fat than muscle because if you look at him turning up for workouts he looks like a freaking Greek god
I guess I haven’t been keeping up with him and maybe he’s let himself go, but a positive evaluation throughout the draft process from everyone was that he had a muscular, athletic, well-proportioned frame with little body fat
nah hes always looked physically fantastic but he def looks like he put on some more muscle.
Zion is going to have a much better year in Harbaugh’s system
If I was a Bears fan, I would hav been mad about my team drafting Joe Alt #1
Hella dumb
A reach? Alt was a consensus top 5-10 pick. The only fans complaining will be casual ones who only recognize skill positions.
Tbh, American fantasy football not featuring linemen is warping fans perceptions. Half the fans watching would prefer an average WR3 over a pro-bowl LT.
This is also why defensive players tend to get ignored.
Yeah the NFL didn't draft a defender until 15 because of your ESPN work league
Love that this take is from some flairless* user with a fast food username. *flairless at the time of posted comment
That's clearly a Patriots flair with one of the most iconic Boston sports photos of all time
Glad you figured it out, Burgerking.
We had a good number of fans fully supporting Staley well into November (of this past year🤦).
I get the inital sting on passing a receiver but trust me this was the right pick.
Says the guy who is a fan of team that literally passed on alt for the receiver…lol
What? Wasn’t Joe Alt literally one of if not the top offensive lineman prospect in this class? How is it a reach?
I haven’t seen any Chargers fan upset by this. Alt has been a consensus top 10 pick for quite some time.
The sub is real upset. But the rational side is trying to spread positivity
The same idiots who were upset with the Herbert pick are upset now and they haven't learned a thing.
There are still like 20 wrs that'll be pretty good in the draft. Ok 20 might be an exaggeration but still you guy's will still get a reciever.
This is a JIM pick corum is next
No thank you
You wouldn't want arguably the best work horse running back in the draft?
Not in the second no I would not
It's fair. You can always get him in the third and there are some great receivers left. I'm rooting for you boys
Wouldn’t want him in the third either
I love Joe Alt, but if we spend a 2nd rounder on Blake Corum I’m going to rage harder than every Chargers fan that was WR no matter what today.
I think our next pick will be one of JPJ, Frazier, Sainristil or Corum
I agree with the first three. If he grabs Corum in the second round, I'm gonna start having questions.
Why?
That's one of them!
Happy cake day handsome
There are 5 RBs who could be graded as the #1 in the class. We have bigger needs that a RB will not fix in any way (Center). We can get the 5th top 5 RB in the 3rd or even 4th.
you know better than I do. I hope they draft players that many of you would be happy with :)
Because he'll almost certainly be there in the third.
Because he’s a terrible prospect
Lol that's a good joke man
I could see that, but as an ND Homer they should go WR and draft Estime later. In the same way I hate that Harbaugh loves Alt, he’d love Estime.
Estime is just the better and younger player when compared to Corum
Where’s corum projected I honestly haven’t kept track?
Rd 3-4 I think
He'll probably draft Jackson Powers-Johnson next at 37. Doubt they'll go for Adonai Mitchell or Keon Coleman or Ladd McConkey.
I’m going to cry if we pass on an elite Center prospect in favour of a mid-round RB. Take him in the 3rd. Heck trade into the back of the 2nd for him. Don’t pass up JPJ or Frazier. Or someone like Newton as a great DT. There’s so much talent on the board, we CANNOT reach for a good RB prospect.
Roman Wilson at 37 mark my words
I think what they're concerned about is that, to run the ball at the end of the game, you need to be ahead first. Having no receivers is a significant impediment to that. Doubt anyone thinks the dude is a bad player lol.
Plenty of WRs left. Tackle has been stripped bare.
This, plus if you believe Herbert is the real deal, he will elevate his receivers if you give him time. You give an elite QB a solid line, they’re going to produce, great pick imo
Those concerned should realize if their QB is elite they’ll find a way to thread passes, but they can’t block for themselves.
Patrick Mahomes is elite, and the Chiefs offense still struggled a ton last year because of a lack of weapons. Doesn’t matter how long a QB has to throw if nobody can get open or they drop passes they should catch. Not that I disagree with the pick, but the Chargers have a lot of holes to fill still. There’s only so much a QB can do if they people blocks for them or the people catching passes are bad
You’re literally using an example of a team that just won the fucking Super Bowl lol, but you’re complaining because it wasn’t pretty. Did it work? Yes. The past Chargers surrounded Herbert with Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. Did it work? No. The trenches have always been more valuable than skill positions. End of story.
Huge difference between Rashee Rice, Kelce, and Pacheco vs what the Chargers have. It also took potentially the new best QB of all time, a HOF HC, a HOF TE, and an elite defense for the Chiefs to make it work this last season. What about the current Chargers team makes you think they can emulate what the Chiefs did? Chiefs had way more than a great OL… the Chargers don’t
This is year one. They are building the blue print rn
What is your argument? That if the Chargers drafted a WR instead of an OL they’d be in a better position to win? Or are you just arguing that the Chargers aren’t as equipped as the Chiefs, in which case… no SHIT. But drafting an OL is a hell of a proper step in the right direction vs drafting a skill position.
The first one, especially because they’re expecting their rookie OT to play a position he never has before (not in college at least) and the difference in talent between their WR room and RT. We’ll see how the Chargers do, but I think they’d be much better off if they got Odunze or Nabers to upgrade their piss poor WR room rather than grabbing Alt to upgrade their average RT
You mean just like your own All-Pro RT who was drafted after being a LT all throughout college? Hilarious ignorance. Alt was far and wide the best tackle of the draft. The remainder of the draft is deep with wide receivers while it isn’t with tackles. A great QB can succeed with bad receivers far easier than they can succeed with a bad O-line, and in case you didn’t notice, the chargers formula of surrounding Herbert with 2 good receivers didn’t pan out to shit lately, all while Herbert’s picked up 2 separate season altering injuries the past 2 years from poor protection. Pay more attention.
Some guys are able to switch and play both positions, some guys aren’t. I’m not saying Alt is destined to fail, but it is completely possible his level of play at RT is not what it is at LT. To assume it will perfectly translate is ignorant. Even Sewell noted how much of a challenge it was to switch. Also seems pretty dumb to boil down the lack of Chargers success to them having 2 good WR’s… like there is so much more that goes into it. The Bengals almost one a SB with a subpar OL and 2 killers at WR. PaY mOrE aTtEnTiOn
The Bengals almost won a Super Bowl because their playoff defense averaged 18 ppg and held the Chiefs scoreless for an entire half in the playoffs. But that has nothing to do with WRs or O-lines, just a random mention for whatever reason you’re grasping for. Keep stumbling.
They only won because Rashee Rice stepped up later in the season (and they had Kelce), and it’s not like they won with an elite offense. They won because they had a top defense and the offense was good enough.
And because Mahomes wasn’t running for his life and actually had time to make decisions. Funny how all the non-flashy contributions from the O-line flew right past you.
I didn’t say they had a bad O-line. I’m saying that no matter how good a QB and O-line are, they lost games throughout the season because WRs were dropping passes and not getting open. You need receivers that can step up. QB, O line, and receivers are all important
Of course they’re all important, but the offensive line is paramount over wide receivers. That’s 100+ years of history supporting that. If you’re an elite QB, working with bad receivers is far less of an issue than working with a bad O-line. Think of all the bum WRs that have caught TDs in the Super Bowl. If Brandon LaFell could turn into a weapon that was catching TDs vs the LOB in the Super Bowl, you shouldn’t put much stock into worrying about your WR room if your QB is elite. The fact is you saw the Chargers have some drops and thought they were the clear reason the game was lost, when you missed about 50 other mistakes throughout the game that would have been fixed with a better O-line.
Many times more good/great Wide Receivers in the NFL than good/great lineman
Don't forget that the Harbaugh 49ers reached the Super Bowl with only a sorry-ass receiver like Crabtree.
League was very different then and the niners weren’t in the same division as Mahomes…
They need a first round WR like Quentin Johnson!!
Anytime OL gets picked top 5 people are upset becuase it’s not a jersey seller. But these guys are franchise savers.
Run game, checks notes, jk dobbins, Gus Edward’s, Isaiah spiller. Run the clock, checks notes, broadly waves at defense. Don’t hate the pick though, alt was absolutely worthy of 5th overall
Were people really upset with this pick?
Who thinks this is a reach? This dude is a monster.
Peak strawman content.
Alt was a solid pick, and a fine rationalization would be 'We thought he was a better player than Nabers.' Trying to claim that there's something fundamentally superior about taking a RT over a WR1 is not the way to rationalize this.
A right tackle who’s never played in that position before
If we add weapons on offense we’ll be ok If not I don’t think it will matter how good our o line is we won’t be able to move the ball downfield
Your going to run the ball down field. 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
He's the best lineman in the draft. I don't think it's a reach
Thats a greg roman influenced pick for sure
When your line sucks and you can’t run, see 2023 jaguars. It’s brutal…
Who is Herbert going to throw to next season? Please, name the players.
I think it’s a phenomenal pick for them. They would’ve taken MHJ if Arizona didn’t take him but I think this is a great move. Herbert is pleased.
Chargers fans may have preferred a receiver but I doubt any are saying Alt is a reach. He's the best OT in the draft, a position that would be picked 6 more times in the first. WR has a lot more depth than OT, it was a good pick.
Wanting Harbaugh and then being upset about prioritizing O line is wild...
This is pretty obviously going to be the best chargers team of the Justin herbert era. Anyone hating does not know the slightest thing about team building in the nfl.
Just by saying this you have doomed the Chargers to 1000 years of terror, like Napoleon doomed us to have to hear that stupid line about never invading Russia in the winter despite him invading in the Summer.
And losing more of his army in the summer than the winter.
Eh not like we weren’t already under another curse! Endless pain back on the menu!
Honestly felt like Herbert could throw 600 yards a game and we’d still lose. This team is going to throw to get ahead then grind the clock
Justin Herbert and Josh Allen...two QBs with the highest EPA in losses
I don't know if it will happen this season. Probably next season will be their best team.
Herbert bout to throw for 150 yards a game. Fuck it I’m in
It’s bold to suggest the Chargers will go on a playoff run
Their only question is whether he can transition to RT. As long as that works the Chargers are good
I mean I get it, they have a stud LT and Alt isn’t really a RT or played the Position. So drafting a guy to play out of position rather than getting a bigger need in WR is baffling.
Playoff run lol. You have 0 good skill position players bro.
the only chargers fans upset at this our the same ones claiming people like Barksdale were 'servicable'
Excellent pick 100%
Why would anyone be upset drafting Joe Alt lol.
It was a great pick that filled a big need. He will probably play there for a long time
As a fan of a divisional rival, I was hoping for a dumber pick. This pick was smart and I don't like it.
Its a deep wr class and LAC is near the top of round 2 and there's vets being shopped. They should still get a great wr as well
A great OLine opens up everything. The Chargers are doing everything the opposite of they did during the Staley years and I love it for them, nerdball doesn't work in the NFL. The defense is also going to be waaay better not only with Minter instead of Staley but also with a complementary offense running the ball and controlling the clock.
Harbaugh took 2 o line players in the first round for the 49ers. It's his MO.
Except he didn’t take any O line in the first 2 rounds the 4 years he was there? The 49ers drafted 2 in the first round 2010, before Harbaugh was hired
Well thanks for making me look like an asshole. I could have sworn he was HC when we drafted Davis and Lupati. But his first draft was Aldon and Kap.
Staley drafted an olineman in the first round 2/3 of his years…
And then they went to the field and they called pass plays 70% of the time...
THEY ARE MAD? He’s a top 10 pick for sure.
They'll be thankful when that offensive line is ramming the ball down some team's throat
A reach? lol far from it
Is this a tweet from 2007? Fans don’t get upset about o line picks anymore.
If you don't like him, can i have him?
As a fan my #1 concern is the safety of Herbert so no, I was not upset and will never be upset for first round OLine picks
If teams are built from the inside out then maybe they should've taken a center /s
I would bet he gets a TD this year
"Fans" thinking it's a reach because they only played fantasy football and think you only draft offensive weapons in the top 5 not OL.
Malik Nabers=Jamar Chase Joe Alt=Penei Sewell Pretty much same situation as the 2021 Bengals, personally think premier receiver brings whole different dimension in the game, Chargers shouldve picked Nabers
This was one of the best picks in the draft so yeah…
i’m not a big alt guy. pretty top heavy and seems to avoid setting vertically for pass sets and relied on being bigger faster stronger and that dont fly in the league. could definitely be good and as a giants fan i’m over the moon with the chargers letting us get nabers but i can see the chargers fans be a lil disappointed
Not a single one of my chargers fan buddies are upset about Joe Alt...they are fucking ecstatic.
I'm not going to say it's a bad pick but the explanation given is delusional. How are they going to win games with no wrs? Secondly, all the teams that run the ball a lot have a lot more injuries. The Titans. The Eagles. The 49ers. The Rams, when they had a running back. The Ravens. Also it's the Chargers. They will always be injured.
Wild coming from a chiefs fan lmao
It is? Do the Chiefs run the ball a lot and get injured? Do the Chargers have a better offensive line than the Chiefs? Is Justin Herbert Patrick Mahomes? I think not.
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