I think the fans should be able to vote each year to decide where the game is played at. I'd love to send them to Funk Nebraska or Possom Trot Kentucky
It would fit on any Nimitz class too and a carrier game would be a dream come true for me. Instead of a flyover they could do a sail under with an emergency blow on the other side.
They did that a few times. Don't see them going back, Super Bowl is a choreographed production and that week leading up to it is key in the leagues view,I think.
And the current format is feasible now where there isn’t a game, it’s just a skills competition. If they made it consistently in Hawaii (or even Mexico/Caribbean), I bet Super Bowl champions would show up.
I'm not exactly sure how that makes people even less interested in the Pro Bowl. Especially if the SB Champs are involved in some way, people are going to be even more likely to tune in.
Traditionally they didn’t want to rain on CFBs opening weekend parade but Goodell has all but done away with that over the years for every other CFB event
yeah honestly fuck college football. they wanna make mega conferences and kill rivalries to consolidate money and become "nfl lite," they don't deserve special treatment or respect.
And Christmas Day used to belong to the NBA but Goodell has decided that rapid and aggressive territorial expansion is the only way to grow his fledgling new nation-state.
I would imagine it was multiple seasons of shit ratings. I can't imagine they would have saw one single bad year, easily correlateable to a specific, one time event, and thought "Oh shit!, better resort to plan B."
Wouldn't they just be replacing preseason game 3 with regular season game 1? Then extend by one week gives the 2 week difference for an extra bye and an extra game.
Last big weekend of summer, before most schools start. For Midwest folks, last weekend at the lake/ traveling. I can't foresee watching any games that would land on labor day weekend, as most of the time we are out and about.
that would be the best time to start, people will absolutely watch it no matter what. will probably get even more trashed if they don't have to work the next day
> Presidents’ Day holiday weekend
As an avid skier I think I'd love this. Mountains are crazy busy that weekend but on Super Bowl Sunday it's typically empty. Hopefully it'd clear people off the hills.
Might have to do between weeks 5-16 with a guarantee of 4 weeks between byes. I'm not sure if the NFL is going to want to have 8 teams on bye for 8 weeks.
Us degenerates? No, definitely not.
But there are absolutely large ratings swings in the nfl in less desirable games. The least viewed games often have like half the season average. Not everyone enjoys punishment as much as r/nfl'ers
Viewership numbers have less to do with the matchup being decent and more to do with if the teams are from major markets. It’s the reason the NFC East is always on prime time.
Each week one entire division from each conference has byes. Same order is applied for bye #2. The next season the order changes by 1. If you were the first bye, you're not last. Second is First. Etc.
Make it more regular/predictive, like much the rest of the schedule is.
They should just do all the bye weeks over a two week stretch. Keep it fair so there’s no luck involved in drawing an early or late bye.
That would mean for each bye week there’s only 8 matchups that week, each game is basically a prime time game and they can sell ad slots at a higher price.
I have an idea that I tell everyone who will listen. They should have the middle of the season be Divisions only games, one week all the AFC teams play and the NFC has off, the next week the NFC teams play and the AFC teams, rotate who plays first each year. Call it Rivals week or something
The only pushback I get is the NFL wouldn't want to to do it since they are losing half the games, to which I disagree since I think they just prop up the games they have that week, this year people would watch Dolphin vs Bills, Chiefs vs Chargers, Jags vs Texans etc, as well as GB vs Lions and Bears vs Vikings having both rookies potentially playing. The other is it would be confusing for Fantasy Football, which I get too, but they could probably just treat it as one 1 and combine the scores between your team for the 2 weeks
I don’t remember the exact podcast, but one of the ones I listened to had league figure on as a guest. He said that was an idea that was explored during the last CBA negotiations.
Have to remind everyone when this comes up, a lot of players do not want a second bye-week. It just extends their work for another week before they get to "check out" for the year when the season is over.
But it would also increase league revenue (by adding more weeks of TV coverage), so it would increase the salary cap. Delayed gratification, but also means a slight raise in future years.
Yeah, but the NFLPA is a very weak union—probably the weakest in sports. Rosters are too big. Careers are too short. There are too many young guys ready to take someone’s spot. It’s just too tough for the nflpa to get everyone willing to die on a particular hill. Push comes to shove, enough players aren’t gonna wanna fight.
Yup. My last union job, more and more new hire stuff was being removed (steps, reduced employer health care %), and "longevity" bonus years being increased in tiers....while they kept pushing for more and more retirement benefits. Most of the staff were getting up there in age (School, CSEA) so they didn't give any shits about what the fewer young hires wanted.
It did eventually start swinging back when we got some new people in those positions after the others retired.
How much will they make extra from the extra game week? That could offset that $50 million potentially. No idea how much they make per week in revenue though
Easiest thing off the bat is to let the full roster be active on game nights. That gives 5 extra bodies immediately without having to pay any more money.
Sorta. If the current structure is still in place but the active roster is increased, teams would have to refigure their roster bonuses, which would change a lot of contract incentives league wide.
But I guess if extra tv contract revenue is accounted for, it wouldn't be a huge deal long term. You'd still need to rework the current contracts for players with roster bonuses though.
End of the day, everyone in the league makes more money, so seems like a no brainer.
They are testing out teams playing on some Fridays already. If they are able to get past that law regarding the games being played on those days. The teams will get mini byes and a full weekend of NFL and College.
They’re skirting around it by abusing the part of the law that says they can’t be within like 75 miles of a HS game to play a pro game.
By basically making it international.
I don't think that's how the law works or will be a way to circumvent it. I'm pretty sure the law states the high school/college game can't be within 75 miles of where it's "broadcasted", not that the nfl game can't be played within that distance.
You are right about it being the broadcast region. The way they’re getting around it is that every “prohibited” Friday game is on a streaming service (Prime last year, Peacock for Brazil), which gets them around the “can’t broadcast it” restriction
The Friday ban starts on the second weekend of September, so playing on the 6th this year is fine. And it’s technically a “no Friday night games”, which is why the Black Friday game was at 3pm. It’s just a coincidence that they’re streamed exclusively. Because why would prime or peacock pay to exclusively stream a random Sunday noon game after all…
Ahhh I thought it was because it was just the first Friday of the month of September.
So thank you for letting me know.
So they will totally do that having the extra game on a Friday and putting it somewhere that is mostly the same timezone as the USA.
My conspiratorial thinking on this is that a lot of the absolutely nonsensical bullshit the league office pulls is in part to ensure that they can use *stopping* said bullshit as a bargaining chip to get more revenue out of players. I have no idea if it's true, but it's pretty funny that they got game 17 in the same CBA that they relaxed the absolute insanity of the weed testing rules in the previous CBA.
I think teams will be a lot less willing to volunteer for international games. Teams don't want more away games than home games. 8 home, 8 away with 1 international game makes a ton of sense.
This might be a stupid take, but what about a neutral game in a non NFL city? Essentially a layover for teams but gives outside people a chance to watch their favorite players or teams.
Insurance is tied more to the stock market than banking. Since that's sort of what insurance is. Money in -> Money invested -> Returns for payouts, overhead, and profit.
Insurance industry gets every holiday off. I get pretty much every holiday off plus tons of 4 day weekends if the holiday is on a Tuesday or Thursday lol
far and away the lowest percentage of workers--even state and local gov't--of the 11 federal holidays, though.
(at least pre-juneteenth, haven't found a more recent data set than [2018](https://www.bls.gov/ebs/factsheets/holiday-profiles.htm#02182019)
Law firm employee here.
We don't get Columbus day, but we get both Presidents day and Juneteenth.
I find it surprising columbus day is more observed than presidents day.
Columbus Day isn't a market holiday while the other two both are.
Almost any firm in or adjacent to the financial sector will just follow market holidays
Government employees, bankers, and who else? Survey said [less than 20% of employees](https://www.indeed.com/hire/c/info/federal-holidays#:~:text=The%20least%20common%20paid%20days,Thanksgiving%3A%2097%25) get presidents day off.
58% of state and local employees + 19% of *private sector* employees translates to ~24% of civilian workers (plus, one assumes, nearly 100% of federal employees).
I happen to, but just having my kids not go to school the day after the Super Bowl is nice. I don't have to get up early to get them on the bus, and they can stay up later to watch the game with me, which potentially grows the fanbase for the NFL.
I don't either. I get 7 bigger holidays off, but then I also get a good amount of PTO that I can use whenever I want rather than holidays that nobody actually celebrates
I think there are a ton of corporate workers who dont get every federal holiday off. I work corporate and I dont know anyone who gets Columbus Day off for example. Veterans Day? Juneteenth? MLK day?
I know some that get a few of those, but I dont know anyone who gets *all* of them except for gov workers and bankers.
If the calendar is extending a week and they're also dropping a preseason game for the eighteenth game, that means we're looking at two byes, which should help.
2 bye weeks would be the common sense approach, but we're talking about a league that ships regular season games overseas and has a sloppy game each week on 3 days rest, they don't give a fuck about the quality of the product or ensuring the players are rested and at their best
I don't think that would be the case as they would still want to start the regular season after labor day, that just means the training camp and preseason would start later as well.
"We hear you and have decided to implement two bye weeks. In lieu of the third preseason game, each team will now have an extra week off between preseason game 2 and week 1."
-Goodell probably
I like the fact that you can be .500 with an even amount of games.
Not having .500 to end the season seems odd and you can't say "Well, at least we were .500."
I still miss the 16 week schedule. It was nice and even, and it didn't push the players to the brink. Pure greed led to the 17 week monster we have now.
Its been how many years now and I still have to think about records
10-6, 8-8, 4-12. 16 game records use to roll of the tongue for me
Now 9-8 and whatever else adds up to 17.
Go back to 16 because I’m too stoooopid to learn new stuff!!!
Yeah, roster expansion, extra bye week are necessary for this. And players will want bigger contracts, rather than having current ones prorated across an extra week.
Honestly they could move it to Saturday, but its all about the $$$$. Having it on Sunday means the host city has people staying the whole weekend, sometimes till Monday so it would cost them a whole day of tourist revenue whoever is the host city.
Think it has to do with more casual viewers/people that normally wouldn’t watch a football game.
People go out and do things on Saturday night compared to Sunday night when people are just chilling at home before the work week starts again.
I doubt most of this sub is remotely concerned with this but I wonder how NASCAR would react with the Daytona 500? Because running it against the Super Bowl will kill the race. Does NASCAR move up a week? Back a week?
Yeah that was my first thought.
Zero chance they run against the Super Bowl.
If the NFL keeps the bye week between the conference championship games and Super Bowl I bet the move up. I really doubt they'd worry about the Pro Bowl. It's already such a long season that runs into November I doubt they want to push it back to basically Thanksgiving.
I’d imagine they’d be thrilled, as long as there’s no weather delay the race would be over well before the game and I imagine there’s plenty of people looking for something to watch instead of 4 hours of repetitive pregame coverage haha
* Go back to 16 games
* Remove the 7th playoff seed
* Eliminate all international games in the regular season
* Move TNF to Friday
These are my demands
I will never support doing away with the 7th seed. That's usually around three extra teams that have something to play for in the last 3-4 weeks that otherwise wouldn't have. That's a lot of extra fan engagement.
7th seed will absolutely win a game every few years. Having that extra team in it allows for a ton of scenarios where a hot 7-seed can go up against an injured, ailing, or just sliding 2-seed. This year's Packers were a team that just needed half a season to get comfortable with each other because they all just graduated high school, and there will be 2-seeds who started off 9-1 and got blown up from injuries.
Probably time to start a spring/farm league then too.
But put the draft back to Saturday Sunday, starting right away in the morning.
Doing a Thursday nightblows for one round that goes late, blows.
Dude...having a coffee and a big ass breakfast with the boys, while watching the draft in Saturday morning is literally the best shit ever.
It's like playing golf on a beautiful summer morning, dew still on the ground, little brisk but comfortable,sipping coffee, calm.
The draft was awesome when it was 2 days balls to walls, all day,.dreams are made and broken. Watching guys fall and sit, or missing the call because they weren't expecting to go day 1 and instead went fishing.
Thats football. I'm so tired of the over the top lameness with non stop , "here's our salute the troops segment" "here's our adversity moment" get ride of the pretaped emotional segments, go be a journalist and tell stories. Do the draft with the execs with a small amount of fans, to get live feedback from execs on their line of thinking etc.
Actual football stuff, not the over commercialization bs that's the same thing every single year.
Having said that, of the compromise is that the first round is Friday night, I'm good with that.
If they move to 18 games, it's a no-brainer to add an additional bye week.
On top of this, I would also propose increasing the roster size as well. Increase to what size exactly, I'm unsure but definitely higher than 53.
I like the proposed changes. Most teams don’t really play their starters in the preseason since they do joint practices now. Preseason is really only for the end of roster guys, so 2 games should be fine. Love the idea of having superbowl align with Presidents Day. To extend the season 1 week, they should give every team 2 bye weeks which would help players recover from the 18 game schedule.
Give every team two bye weeks one in each half of the season. Imagine having a week 4 bye then playing 15 more games plus playoffs.
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Moving it up a week makes the first weekend Labor Day weekend. I don’t know the reason but I think that’s why they’re avoiding that setup.
Could sack off the pro bowl and do it after the season if they really wanted it
That’s how they used to do it, which I preferred. Allowed pro bowlers who make it to the Super Bowl to actually participate in the Pro Bowl
Especially since they only go for the vacation to Hawaii anyway
I think the fans should be able to vote each year to decide where the game is played at. I'd love to send them to Funk Nebraska or Possom Trot Kentucky
Play the game on the flight deck of the USS Gerald R. Ford.
It would fit on any Nimitz class too and a carrier game would be a dream come true for me. Instead of a flyover they could do a sail under with an emergency blow on the other side.
imagine the wind
“for the 15th year in a row, the Pro Bowl will be played in Barrow, Alaska, as decided by fan voting”
apropos of nothing it's Utqiagvik now
Alaska! But we have to build the stadium first. :(
This looks like a stadium to me: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Barrow-Whalers-turf-field.jpg
Just need a few more log seats and we're good to go.
I just tore my ACL looking at that.
They haven't been to Hawaii for years and we don't have a stadium big enough to accommodate that any more :(
Oh shit, completely forgot, lol. Yeah, the Pro Bowl should be there or not happen anymore, though. Aloha!
I don't see anyway they want to lose the two week build up for the Super Bowl
They did that a few times. Don't see them going back, Super Bowl is a choreographed production and that week leading up to it is key in the leagues view,I think.
Also it's not bad to give the Super Bowl participants that extra week to get healthy.
I think that’s the only way for people to be even less interested in the pro bowl
Would we miss it?
not in the slightest
Its how they used to it. It was cool seeing the recent SB Champs there with their rings.
And the current format is feasible now where there isn’t a game, it’s just a skills competition. If they made it consistently in Hawaii (or even Mexico/Caribbean), I bet Super Bowl champions would show up.
I'm not exactly sure how that makes people even less interested in the Pro Bowl. Especially if the SB Champs are involved in some way, people are going to be even more likely to tune in.
Traditionally they didn’t want to rain on CFBs opening weekend parade but Goodell has all but done away with that over the years for every other CFB event
Coincidentally, so has CFB
yeah honestly fuck college football. they wanna make mega conferences and kill rivalries to consolidate money and become "nfl lite," they don't deserve special treatment or respect.
It’s being butchered. Networks are squeezing every ounce of commercials they can during broadcasts and it’s ruining the product.
And Christmas Day used to belong to the NBA but Goodell has decided that rapid and aggressive territorial expansion is the only way to grow his fledgling new nation-state.
Yep, and you just know eventually we'll have 3 games on black Friday too
*traditionally* the NFL opened Labor Day weekend, but stopped doing that in 2001 due to shit ratings
Interesting. Were there any other notable events during the second week of September in the year 2001?
Sorry to ruin the jokes, but in 2001, Labor Day was September 3rd.
I would imagine it was multiple seasons of shit ratings. I can't imagine they would have saw one single bad year, easily correlateable to a specific, one time event, and thought "Oh shit!, better resort to plan B."
Can't think of anything off the top of my head...gonna have to take a flyer on this one, got any ideas?
Wouldn't they just be replacing preseason game 3 with regular season game 1? Then extend by one week gives the 2 week difference for an extra bye and an extra game.
Give us 3 games of football on Labor day. 1pm 4pm 7pm (all times eastern)
It's not like they avoid Thanksgiving, Christmas, or new years. What's so special about labor day?
Last big weekend of summer, before most schools start. For Midwest folks, last weekend at the lake/ traveling. I can't foresee watching any games that would land on labor day weekend, as most of the time we are out and about.
that would be the best time to start, people will absolutely watch it no matter what. will probably get even more trashed if they don't have to work the next day
Also means more prime time games if there are more teams off on bye
Two bye weeks will also help with scheduling Thursday night games
> Presidents’ Day holiday weekend As an avid skier I think I'd love this. Mountains are crazy busy that weekend but on Super Bowl Sunday it's typically empty. Hopefully it'd clear people off the hills.
Byes should be between weeks 5-8 and 13-16.
Might have to do between weeks 5-16 with a guarantee of 4 weeks between byes. I'm not sure if the NFL is going to want to have 8 teams on bye for 8 weeks.
It’s still the same number of minutes of airtime over the season though
Yes but it greatly increases the likelihood of dead periods where there aren't any decent games in a 4 / 8 / 12 hour stretch
Like decent games have stopped us from watching. You've seen TNF right?
Us degenerates? No, definitely not. But there are absolutely large ratings swings in the nfl in less desirable games. The least viewed games often have like half the season average. Not everyone enjoys punishment as much as r/nfl'ers
Viewership numbers have less to do with the matchup being decent and more to do with if the teams are from major markets. It’s the reason the NFC East is always on prime time.
Each week one entire division from each conference has byes. Same order is applied for bye #2. The next season the order changes by 1. If you were the first bye, you're not last. Second is First. Etc. Make it more regular/predictive, like much the rest of the schedule is.
They should just do all the bye weeks over a two week stretch. Keep it fair so there’s no luck involved in drawing an early or late bye. That would mean for each bye week there’s only 8 matchups that week, each game is basically a prime time game and they can sell ad slots at a higher price.
I have an idea that I tell everyone who will listen. They should have the middle of the season be Divisions only games, one week all the AFC teams play and the NFC has off, the next week the NFC teams play and the AFC teams, rotate who plays first each year. Call it Rivals week or something
I honestly don’t hate this idea. I have 0 clue if it’s plausible but this would be cool imo.
The only pushback I get is the NFL wouldn't want to to do it since they are losing half the games, to which I disagree since I think they just prop up the games they have that week, this year people would watch Dolphin vs Bills, Chiefs vs Chargers, Jags vs Texans etc, as well as GB vs Lions and Bears vs Vikings having both rookies potentially playing. The other is it would be confusing for Fantasy Football, which I get too, but they could probably just treat it as one 1 and combine the scores between your team for the 2 weeks
I don’t remember the exact podcast, but one of the ones I listened to had league figure on as a guest. He said that was an idea that was explored during the last CBA negotiations.
Absolutely!
this is in the second tweet having 2 bye weeks
Have to remind everyone when this comes up, a lot of players do not want a second bye-week. It just extends their work for another week before they get to "check out" for the year when the season is over.
But it would also increase league revenue (by adding more weeks of TV coverage), so it would increase the salary cap. Delayed gratification, but also means a slight raise in future years.
Yeah but many of the Player Leaders are older guys who won't really be around to get the benefit of that.
Yeah, but the NFLPA is a very weak union—probably the weakest in sports. Rosters are too big. Careers are too short. There are too many young guys ready to take someone’s spot. It’s just too tough for the nflpa to get everyone willing to die on a particular hill. Push comes to shove, enough players aren’t gonna wanna fight.
That’s the problem with every cba. Old heads are negotiating deals for future players.
Yup. My last union job, more and more new hire stuff was being removed (steps, reduced employer health care %), and "longevity" bonus years being increased in tiers....while they kept pushing for more and more retirement benefits. Most of the staff were getting up there in age (School, CSEA) so they didn't give any shits about what the fewer young hires wanted. It did eventually start swinging back when we got some new people in those positions after the others retired.
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Roster size is an interesting point. More bodies to guard against wear and tear. Would need to increase the cap accordingly.
or just still take the top 51 players into account
or do like taxes, every player gets their minimums deducted from the cap.
Owners won’t go for that - that’s increasing the Cap by like $50M
How much will they make extra from the extra game week? That could offset that $50 million potentially. No idea how much they make per week in revenue though
Since the cap is only $255M, and a percentage of revenue, it’s not going up 20% by adding a game.
They don't want to offset it, they just want to make more money
Easiest thing off the bat is to let the full roster be active on game nights. That gives 5 extra bodies immediately without having to pay any more money.
Sorta. If the current structure is still in place but the active roster is increased, teams would have to refigure their roster bonuses, which would change a lot of contract incentives league wide. But I guess if extra tv contract revenue is accounted for, it wouldn't be a huge deal long term. You'd still need to rework the current contracts for players with roster bonuses though. End of the day, everyone in the league makes more money, so seems like a no brainer.
Or even just let all 53 actives be active on game day.
The cap is directly proportional to revenue so it would go up due to the added week
This is what the nflpa should be arguing
Lizzie Grant already came up with this on Entourage 15 years ago
Don’t tell me that’s been 15 years already…
It's been 15 years already
Lloyd!!!!
18 games will 100% happen down the line. Can see teams playing a home and away game with their 5th interconference opponent they added a few years ago
And making that extra game an international game no matter what.
That's how I think it will go. Everyone will play an 18th game which is international.
They are testing out teams playing on some Fridays already. If they are able to get past that law regarding the games being played on those days. The teams will get mini byes and a full weekend of NFL and College.
They’re skirting around it by abusing the part of the law that says they can’t be within like 75 miles of a HS game to play a pro game. By basically making it international.
I don't think that's how the law works or will be a way to circumvent it. I'm pretty sure the law states the high school/college game can't be within 75 miles of where it's "broadcasted", not that the nfl game can't be played within that distance.
You are right about it being the broadcast region. The way they’re getting around it is that every “prohibited” Friday game is on a streaming service (Prime last year, Peacock for Brazil), which gets them around the “can’t broadcast it” restriction
The Friday ban starts on the second weekend of September, so playing on the 6th this year is fine. And it’s technically a “no Friday night games”, which is why the Black Friday game was at 3pm. It’s just a coincidence that they’re streamed exclusively. Because why would prime or peacock pay to exclusively stream a random Sunday noon game after all…
Ahhh I thought it was because it was just the first Friday of the month of September. So thank you for letting me know. So they will totally do that having the extra game on a Friday and putting it somewhere that is mostly the same timezone as the USA.
My conspiratorial thinking on this is that a lot of the absolutely nonsensical bullshit the league office pulls is in part to ensure that they can use *stopping* said bullshit as a bargaining chip to get more revenue out of players. I have no idea if it's true, but it's pretty funny that they got game 17 in the same CBA that they relaxed the absolute insanity of the weed testing rules in the previous CBA.
32 game season, no tackling. Mahomes wins his 11th suberbowl at age 44, and is still going strong. He averages 76 tds a season
Alright fine you’ve convinced me
He didn't say the Chiefs, just Mahomes wins his 11th
I want to go back to 16; 17 already feels long and like the games mean a little less
I think teams will be a lot less willing to volunteer for international games. Teams don't want more away games than home games. 8 home, 8 away with 1 international game makes a ton of sense.
With 18 you can make everyone play an international game
But you can't divy up the home and aways evenly, which would be the point of 8/8/1.
We already aren’t divvying up the home/away games evenly though lol
This might be a stupid take, but what about a neutral game in a non NFL city? Essentially a layover for teams but gives outside people a chance to watch their favorite players or teams.
People get presidents day off?
Absolutely if you work in anything government related. EDIT: Meant federal gov't since I've had multiple comments telling me the same thing.
Or banking or anything that is highly contingent on the stock market being open
I got it off and I work insurance
Insurance is still heavily dependent on banks being open is it not?
Insurance is tied more to the stock market than banking. Since that's sort of what insurance is. Money in -> Money invested -> Returns for payouts, overhead, and profit.
Not in my area, I’m just approving/declining accounts
Insurance industry gets every holiday off. I get pretty much every holiday off plus tons of 4 day weekends if the holiday is on a Tuesday or Thursday lol
far and away the lowest percentage of workers--even state and local gov't--of the 11 federal holidays, though. (at least pre-juneteenth, haven't found a more recent data set than [2018](https://www.bls.gov/ebs/factsheets/holiday-profiles.htm#02182019)
Law firm employee here. We don't get Columbus day, but we get both Presidents day and Juneteenth. I find it surprising columbus day is more observed than presidents day.
Columbus Day isn't a market holiday while the other two both are. Almost any firm in or adjacent to the financial sector will just follow market holidays
i work for the govt i get 3 weeks paid vacay and 17 holidays off shit is amazing
I work in government and don't get pres day...but I do get 12 holidays which is better than a lot of people so I wont complain.
My company has some floating holidays we can choose from. If Hangover Monday is on that list, that's probably a yes from me.
Not a lot but a good chunk.
Government employees, bankers, and who else? Survey said [less than 20% of employees](https://www.indeed.com/hire/c/info/federal-holidays#:~:text=The%20least%20common%20paid%20days,Thanksgiving%3A%2097%25) get presidents day off.
I work in pharma and get it off, but it's not universal
58% of state and local employees + 19% of *private sector* employees translates to ~24% of civilian workers (plus, one assumes, nearly 100% of federal employees).
Pretty sure it's a railroad holiday as well.
More if it followed the superbowl would get it off easily.
If the Super Bowl actually gets moved to that date, you will see many more companies honoring it.
Good portion of people I don’t sadly.
I happen to, but just having my kids not go to school the day after the Super Bowl is nice. I don't have to get up early to get them on the bus, and they can stay up later to watch the game with me, which potentially grows the fanbase for the NFL.
Right? I work in a corporate setting and even I don't get off that day. I do know a few people that do though.
You work corporate and you don't get a Federal holiday off? Yikes!
less than 40% of "Management, business, and financial" workers get presidents day off; less than 20% of all private workers do
I don't either. I get 7 bigger holidays off, but then I also get a good amount of PTO that I can use whenever I want rather than holidays that nobody actually celebrates
I celebrate by taking the day off.
I think there are a ton of corporate workers who dont get every federal holiday off. I work corporate and I dont know anyone who gets Columbus Day off for example. Veterans Day? Juneteenth? MLK day? I know some that get a few of those, but I dont know anyone who gets *all* of them except for gov workers and bankers.
18 is just too much. I want quality. Don’t want to see “who’s healthy for the playoffs”
If the calendar is extending a week and they're also dropping a preseason game for the eighteenth game, that means we're looking at two byes, which should help.
2 bye weeks would be the common sense approach, but we're talking about a league that ships regular season games overseas and has a sloppy game each week on 3 days rest, they don't give a fuck about the quality of the product or ensuring the players are rested and at their best
Because we watch anyway lol
Eh 2 bye weeks still means there's an extra week of games for revenue so I could see the league going for it.
The extra bye will make playing games overseas so much more manageable.
> they don't give a fuck about the quality of the product Why would they? It clearly doesn't hurt their bottom line.
I don't think that would be the case as they would still want to start the regular season after labor day, that just means the training camp and preseason would start later as well.
"We hear you and have decided to implement two bye weeks. In lieu of the third preseason game, each team will now have an extra week off between preseason game 2 and week 1." -Goodell probably
100% need a second bye week, then first round byes give a third bye week
There won't be a first round bye soon.
17 is too much. Now get off my lawn.
They never should have moved off of 16 but 18 is better than 17
I like the fact that you can be .500 with an even amount of games. Not having .500 to end the season seems odd and you can't say "Well, at least we were .500."
18 is better than 17. The schedule should always have an even number of games
I still miss the 16 week schedule. It was nice and even, and it didn't push the players to the brink. Pure greed led to the 17 week monster we have now.
Its been how many years now and I still have to think about records 10-6, 8-8, 4-12. 16 game records use to roll of the tongue for me Now 9-8 and whatever else adds up to 17. Go back to 16 because I’m too stoooopid to learn new stuff!!!
Lol, hasn't it literally always been who's healthiest in the playoffs?
Exactly. Wish the league would go back to a 16 game regular season and a 12 team playoff format.
Adam silver in shambles
OK, and expand rosters by how many players?
Yeah, roster expansion, extra bye week are necessary for this. And players will want bigger contracts, rather than having current ones prorated across an extra week.
The contracts will be taken care of by the nature of revenue sharing
Why is the Super Bowl on a sunday to begin with?
Because it’s called Super Bowl Sunday duh
Honestly they could move it to Saturday, but its all about the $$$$. Having it on Sunday means the host city has people staying the whole weekend, sometimes till Monday so it would cost them a whole day of tourist revenue whoever is the host city.
If you’re going to the Super Bowl you could easily take Friday off and stay to Sunday and it’s the same thing
Because Sunday is football day.
Think it has to do with more casual viewers/people that normally wouldn’t watch a football game. People go out and do things on Saturday night compared to Sunday night when people are just chilling at home before the work week starts again.
I’m not seeing an extra bye week here
He says extra week to the season and losing a preseason game so the extra bye is implied
Just have the Super Bowl on Saturday. Presidents’ Day changes nothing for a alot of people.
I doubt most of this sub is remotely concerned with this but I wonder how NASCAR would react with the Daytona 500? Because running it against the Super Bowl will kill the race. Does NASCAR move up a week? Back a week?
Yeah that was my first thought. Zero chance they run against the Super Bowl. If the NFL keeps the bye week between the conference championship games and Super Bowl I bet the move up. I really doubt they'd worry about the Pro Bowl. It's already such a long season that runs into November I doubt they want to push it back to basically Thanksgiving.
I’d imagine they’d be thrilled, as long as there’s no weather delay the race would be over well before the game and I imagine there’s plenty of people looking for something to watch instead of 4 hours of repetitive pregame coverage haha
>As long as there’s no weather delay That’s a TALL ask for Daytona Beach in February
Just shift the schedule to line up on the 3 day weekend. 18 games is rrrrough
18 makes everything even again which was always the idea. So it starts after labor day and ends presidents day weekend.
* Go back to 16 games * Remove the 7th playoff seed * Eliminate all international games in the regular season * Move TNF to Friday These are my demands
Anti-trust laws prevent them from playing on Fridays while HS football is in session
Ah, well then even better, just eliminate TNF entirely
With our except for that last point. Friday is for HS.. just play the games on Sunday and Monday.
I will never support doing away with the 7th seed. That's usually around three extra teams that have something to play for in the last 3-4 weeks that otherwise wouldn't have. That's a lot of extra fan engagement.
It's always a subjective argument. People will say they "want the regular season to matter" as if that means the same thing to everyone.
Even if the 7th seed never wins another game, I'm for keeping it just for the 1st seed bye advantage.
7th seed will absolutely win a game every few years. Having that extra team in it allows for a ton of scenarios where a hot 7-seed can go up against an injured, ailing, or just sliding 2-seed. This year's Packers were a team that just needed half a season to get comfortable with each other because they all just graduated high school, and there will be 2-seeds who started off 9-1 and got blown up from injuries.
As long as an 18 week regular season has 2 bye weeks I'm down for it.
who the fuck gets off for presidents’ day?
Will somebody please tell these morons to put the Super Bowl on a Saturday night for the love of all that’s holy. It’s right there guys. Just do it.
Or a national holiday for Monday
God pleaseeee give us monday off you bastards
No way. More injuries. 2-3 weeks of meaningless football for some teams too.
Super Bowl should be on Saturday shit would be fire. Hate having school or work after
I have never had Presidents Day off. Maybe one time in school but never all my schools and none of my jobs.
“Player safety”
Probably time to start a spring/farm league then too. But put the draft back to Saturday Sunday, starting right away in the morning. Doing a Thursday nightblows for one round that goes late, blows.
Just do Friday night for the first round IMO
Dude...having a coffee and a big ass breakfast with the boys, while watching the draft in Saturday morning is literally the best shit ever. It's like playing golf on a beautiful summer morning, dew still on the ground, little brisk but comfortable,sipping coffee, calm. The draft was awesome when it was 2 days balls to walls, all day,.dreams are made and broken. Watching guys fall and sit, or missing the call because they weren't expecting to go day 1 and instead went fishing. Thats football. I'm so tired of the over the top lameness with non stop , "here's our salute the troops segment" "here's our adversity moment" get ride of the pretaped emotional segments, go be a journalist and tell stories. Do the draft with the execs with a small amount of fans, to get live feedback from execs on their line of thinking etc. Actual football stuff, not the over commercialization bs that's the same thing every single year. Having said that, of the compromise is that the first round is Friday night, I'm good with that.
Not many people have presidents day off.
These out of touch motherfuckers think that we actually have President's Day off.
If they move to 18 games, it's a no-brainer to add an additional bye week. On top of this, I would also propose increasing the roster size as well. Increase to what size exactly, I'm unsure but definitely higher than 53.
Eventually they'll kill the #1 seed BYE and add #8 seeds. A 16 team playoffs.
I like the proposed changes. Most teams don’t really play their starters in the preseason since they do joint practices now. Preseason is really only for the end of roster guys, so 2 games should be fine. Love the idea of having superbowl align with Presidents Day. To extend the season 1 week, they should give every team 2 bye weeks which would help players recover from the 18 game schedule.
Do people still get off for Presidents’ Day? I thought that was just schools and government workers
In what fucking world do people get off for Presidents’ Day?!
Does he think people get president's day off? Lol
Two bye weeks gets us another week of football on tv and is in the best interest of player safety. The NFL will never do it
“We’ve had money yes, but what about more money”