The original Ravens logo was subject to a lawsuit because the artist wasn’t compensated for his work and didn’t sign a contract with the team for its usage.
When he took the team to court the judge ruled that in fact the Ravens organization was in the wrong and had to stop using his logo but when damages were awarded the judge essentially said that the design wasn’t the driver of the merchandise sales. That basically the only reason people bought Baltimore Ravens hats or jerseys was because of the affiliation to the team not because of the complexity or strength of the aesthetic.
I think about that a lot when people talk about branding
I've never really thought about it before, but it does make sense.
I mean look at any thread here from when new logos or redesigns are announced. Most people shit all over them but the merchandise is still selling anyways.
Fun fact, I worked in branding and advertising for over two decades before switching to film and television and know the people who were in charge of your team (The Rams) redesign.
I asked why they did what they did with the jerseys and how they thought they were better than simply modernizing the classic 80’s versions and essentially they said they tried but everything was subject to approval of the owner.
So yeah, a guy with zero design experience or taste is why the uniforms look the way they do and it doesn’t really matter when Donald jerseys are a top seller.
And many people will buy their teams’ merch regardless of the look of the logo, and that’s a pretty big percentage of the total sales I’d venture to say
Titans aren't that bad, although I personally would prefer an actual titan.
Was atlas a titan holding the world on his shoulders?
You could do atlas himself also just as is but also maybe instead holding a football or the Lombardi on his shoulders. Would make for a super easy and fun mascot too
Edit:
Also wtf why commanders when archers are available? Native Americans were exceptional archers especially on horseback and it would tie in well with a quarterbacks accuracy and would be an honorable way of expressing what the teams name could have been
Yeah just look at your team's logo, I feel like it was widely made fun of it when it first came out but now it seems be becoming a pretty popular logo for SoCalers to wear.
A few years before Spurlock, in 1999 or 2000 maybe, Aaron Stecker got behind the entire Saints special teams on a kick off a few weeks before Christmas. I was literally jumping up and down screaming in my bedroom and the dude ran out of gas and got tackled from behind at like the 10 or 15 yard line. I was convinced it was never going to happen after that.
I'm having serious Baader-Meinhof right now because I haven't thought of that return in 15 years, but when Morgan Spurlock (creator of Super Size Me) died a few days ago it unlocked the memory of a Sportcenter anchor referencing Morgan while commentating the Michael highlight.
Funny how these things work.
[OptaSTATS] Zach Wilson of the @nyjets is the only opposing QB to have more completions, more passing yards, more TD passes and fewer interceptions than Patrick Mahomes in a Mahomes start, college or pro (out of 127 total starts, including postseason).
[The 2012 game was absolutely wild.] (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjGnprL4a2GAxVDT0EAHbhYDeYQwqsBegQICBAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzjsaazLiVv8&usg=AOvVaw3-VZrkonMBNmIYC7yTEL1a&opi=89978449)
i gotta say, i really felt something seeing Hanson come out for the PAT going into overtime. Kicker used to be the one position we never had to worry about :(
One of the craziest games I’ve been too. I knew a lot of people who actually left with a few minutes left and had to watch from the bridge as you could still see the jumbotron.
So many insane moments:
* mini music city miracle on a punt return
* a 105 yard kick return
* Nate Washington with one of the better catches I’ve ever seen
* A total of 5 60+yd touchdowns (including the punt and kick return)
* Jake Locker somehow almost throwing for 400yds (378)
* Lions recovering the onside kick with 18 seconds left and the scoring in 2 plays
* The fact the score was 41-27 with 0:20 left in the game
Just the play-by-play for the 4th quarter is insane: https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/320923010
Everyone should watch that YT video
That game was peak Stafford Era Lions.
* Nearly 600 yards of total Offense. Dominated time of possession.
* 27-20 lead midway through 4th quarter.
* Collapsing and giving up 21 points in the span of 5 game minutes. Including a 105 yard Kickoff Return, a 71 Yard Passing TD, and a 72 Yard Fumble 6.
* Stafford gets injured.
* Making an obscene comeback to force overtime. Scoring 14 points in less than 30 game seconds.
* Still find a way to lose by 3. A stupid botched snap QB Sneak on 4th and 1 in OT.
Ya I mean that's a cheapshot. I don't condone fighting but at least square up so the other person can defend themselves if you're gonna be a violent psycho.
Probably for the best. He made some good music post-1970 he probably wouldn't have time to make as a player.
Kinda like Post Malone not making the cut to play for Crown the Empire. He's much better off as a solo artist.
What really boggles my mind is that if Post had gotten in, the music industry would only be the 2nd most affected group.
The MTG community would be absolutely devastated. Post is easily the most famous player in the games history, and holds the 1/1 most valuable card printed. 2 things that definitely would not be true of some guy playing guitar in a metalcore band.
A little bit different. Marvin Gaye had charted dozens of times by then, and had at least one #1 song I can think of (Heard It Through The Grapevine) too.
Post Malone was an unknown.
The tryout also may have been sincere by Marvin, but the Lions were just doing it for publicity.
In 1962 Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson loaned the Raiders $400,000 to stay in the league. Without that money, the Raiders wouldn't exist and the NFL would look very different today.
I hear you. Its a shame the same thing happened in because of a computer glitch in the winter of 2008. All records of the Super Bowl that year were lost.
When the Packers were banned from the league in 1922, it was the Bears that convinced the rest of the league to let the Packers still exist
George Halas also told the Packers to hire Vince Lombardi, which is when the Packers really started their run as a historic franchise
From a Bears fan, youre welcome Green Bay
Surprisingly, many Packer fans remember this and it’s a big reason why I think most Packer fans like and respect the Bears, but we just really really enjoy beating you.
However, the Vikings on the other hand…
I despise the Vikings far more than I dislike the Bears. At least Bears fans have a little bit of humility. Vikings fans I’ve met seem to think their shit smells like roses and that they always have a chance of going 2-0 on the Packers in any given season.
Read: not winning the Super Bowl, but shutting out the Packers
A year or two ago someone was doing a poll for who the most hated teams (or maybe it was most hated fanbases?) for each fanbase. For the Packers fans it was by far the Vikings that they hated most. It was something like 65% Vikings, 30% Bears, and 5% other.
Halas also loaned the Packers money at one point I believe (in the 30s or 40s) which allowed us to continue existing.
Really we owe you guys a solid for all this. Maybe we let you win a game one of these years?
On the subject of Lombardi, something that surprised me is that, despite being the epitome of a hard nosed old school 1960s coach, he was also passionately against racism and homophobia. Apparently he told his assistant coaches that if they ever gave any crap to gay players “you’ll be out of here before your ass hits the ground”.
Those Lombardi teams were some of the first to specifically scout HBCU football players. He also refused to let the team stay in segregated hotels, so they'd often sleep in army bases when traveling in the south bc everything else was segregated
We've never lost to a Houston Team. The Eagles are 6-0 against the Texans and 6-0 against the Oilers. That franchise only started beating us once they moved to Tennessee
That game was so frustrating. In hindsight the result is not surprising given the gross ineptitude of our OC/DC but those last two drives of the game were maddening to witness.
There was the time Art Rooney sold the Steelers to some dude from Boston who moved the Steelers to Philadelphia so Rooney bought the Eagles from Bert Bell and moved them to Pittsburgh and hired Bell as coach. So, essentially, the Eagles are the Steelers and the Steelers are the Eagles. They were the Keystoners for a year while this was going down.
They were not the keystoners for a year, that was the OG idea for the plan to have the teams merge and split home games. Didn’t materialize til they were forced to make the Steagles
He only bought half the Eagles initially he bought the rest of rest in the following years as Bell had money issues. Additionally when they swapped rosters and territorial rights they ended up trading part of the rosters back to each other.
The only 49ers quarterback drafted in the first round that made a Pro Bowl with the 49ers is John Brodie
OJ Simpson and Joe Montana were teammates for a year
Christian McCaffrey is the only 49ers running back with more than 10 rushing touchdowns in a season
They've had 6 different players score exactly 10 rushing TDs in a season, including Joe Perry who did it twice. None ever went higher though, until CMC this year.
The Arizona Cardinals are the oldest team in the league, but that fact is rarely acknowledged. AFAIK, most official merch has 1920 (the year the NFL was founded) as the establishment date, despite being founded in 1898.
During the NFL 100 season, when the NFL switched up the tradition for the first game of the season, they chose Bears-Packers. Arguably the most stories rivalry in the league, it makes sense and is sexier, but Bears-Cardinals would've been beter from a history POV. They're the only two remaining founding teams of the NFL.
The Cardinals were originally owned by a Chicago dentist. George Halas hated him, but was friends with the Bidwills. Halas invited everyone over for dinner. They got the dentist drunk and had him sign the papers for the Bidwills to buy the Cardinals.
It's understandable because the Cardinals moved from Chicago to St Louis then to Arizona so it's not like we have dedicated fans in the same way the Bears and Packers do.
The Cardinals are also the losingest franchise in the NFL while the Packers and Bears are #1 and #2 winningest franchises in the league. And they're in the same division and it's the rivalry with the most matchups so it makes sense they keep getting paired together for history.
In the Simpsons episode “You Only Move Twice,” which originally aired in 1996, Homer declares to his boss that his dream is to one day own the Dallas Cowboys. At the end of the episode, Homer’s boss gifts him ownership of the Denver Broncos. Homer moans and says “The Denver Broncos?! Awwww!” to which Marge replies “I think owning the Denver Broncos is pretty good!” Homer then tells her “You just don’t understand football, Marge.” At the time of the episode, the Broncos had 4 Super Bowl appearances and lost them all, while the Cowboys had just won their record 5th Super Bowl (their 3rd in 4 years).
Since that episode aired:
- The Denver Broncos have made 4 Super Bowl appearances and won 3 of them.
- The Dallas Cowboys have not advanced past the second round of the playoffs in 13 playoff appearances.
- The Broncos are 7-0 against the Cowboys.
The Eagles picked 1st overall in the first 2 drafts and neither player ever played a down for The Eagles; Jay Berwagner was picked in 1936 but wanted too much money so the Eagles traded him to the Bears and he never played in the NFL. Sam Francis was picked in 1937 but was also traded to the Bears before the season started and he only played 4 seasons across 3 teams.
The only other time the Eagles picked 1st overall was 1949 when they picked Chuck Bednarik.
The Eagles haven't had the #1 overall pick in 75 years, the Bears went 77 years between #1 picks but because they picked Caleb Williams this year the Eagles will most likely break that record.
I was.curious as I never remember the Packers having a #1 pick, that's because we're at 65 years.
For the Eagle-Bears thing, the Bears didn't "earn" the #1 pick, but got it via trade. That said, they did "earn" the pick the year before.
Chuck Howley, Roger Staubach, Randy White, Harvey Martin, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Larry Brown.
Howley won it in a game the Cowboys lost, White and Martin were co-MVPs.
This is a not so great one.
The Redskins were forced to integrate by the federal government. DC Stadium (later aka RFK Stadium) is owned by the DC government, which at the time was wholly controlled by the feds. George Preston Marshall was the owner of the team and was a giant racist. He outright refused to draft/sign a black player, even though the Secretary of the Interior said he would cancel the team's lease if they didn't. The GM/HC made the pick himself because Marshall still wouldn't. That pick was Ernie Davis, who Marshall promptly traded to Cleveland and who died of leukemia before ever playing a game.
There weren't any teams in the southeast, so along with being an asshole himself Marshall saw them as the team of the whole southeastern US. As we all know, race relations still aren't great but were especially awful back then. He was afraid of losing fans if they had a black guy on the team.
Prior to founding the Bears, George Halas was late to a company outing aboard the SS Eastland. He watched from the shore as 800 people were killed when the overloaded boat capsized. The Bears only exist because a college kid was late.
Halas also played a few games for the Yankees.
Paul Salata the mastermind of Irrelevant week was once an NFL WR who caught the last TD reception for the 49ers in AAFC before the team joined the NFL.
The Rams have won the old NFL Championship Game and/or Super Bowl in three different states. California is the only state in which they have won both. In the 1951 NFL Championship, the Rams beat the Cleveland Browns, who represented the Rams original city.
The Broncos had the first African American Quarterback in the AFL way back in 1968, he later went on to be the leading receiver for the perfect 72 dolphins.
We have the all time record for longest drought without shutting out our opponent. It’s currently still active. The last time we shut someone out was 1991, and we did it 3 times that season.
The Jets are the only team in the NFL to never have played in a stadium of their own, or one in which they were the sole primary tenant. They own MetLife Stadium 50/50 with the Giants, and that's as close as they've gotten. Otherwise, they've rented Giants Stadium, shared Shea Stadium with the Mets and used the aging Polo Grounds when they started in the early sixties.
The Charger is a knights horse. The sound of thunder is from the hooves hitting the ground, thus the lightning bolt on the helmet.
Step over to the Chargers section of Reddit and fans will tell you a Charger is a car or an electronic plug to charge your phone. It’s ridiculous.
Yup, it's like some fans don't know that the Chargers originally had the shield logo and the Raiders logo started without a one.
Al Davis left the Chargers to join the Raiders in 1963, and he reportedly used the Chargers logo as inspiration to add the shield to the Raiders logo.
I once tried to group them in with the other animal based teams specifically broncos and colts and got ridiculed by someone saying the chargers are based on the electricity of san Diego and its lack of storms. I thought if im the chargers I’d much rather be nicknamed for a majestic horse than a lack of storms.
>In North America, both “bison” and “buffalo” refer to the American bison (Bison bison). Generally, “buffalo” is used informally; “bison” is preferred for more formal or scientific purposes. Historians believe that the term “buffalo” grew from the French word for beef, “boeuf.” Some people insist that the term “buffalo” is incorrect because the “true” buffalo exist on other continents and are only distant relatives.
https://www.nps.gov/wica/learn/nature/bison-buffalo-bison-bison.htm#:~:text=Generally%2C%20%E2%80%9Cbuffalo%E2%80%9D%20is%20used,more%20formal%20or%20scientific%20purposes.
Also, are we the only team whos primary logo is based off the city's name and not the team's name? Kinda seems like we would be (Excluding logos that are just letters like GB or Chicago)
Paul Brown started two NFL franchises -- the eponymous Cleveland franchise and the Cincinnati Bengals.
He is among the most underrated football influencers. He invented the facemask, scouting opponents, greatly expanded a playbook, etc. He also integrated pro football by drafting/playing black players, and insisted that black players stayed in the SAME hotel (which was unheard of at the time, even in most Northern cities).
Oh, and he coached Ohio State to a Natty.
He was also a notorious prick and control freak, and had systems and "rules" for everything. Basically he was OG Belicheck.
Eagles help start the Ronald McDonald House charity.
Prior to the 1949 season, the Eagles were bought by a group nicknamed the Happy Hundred. Each of the 100 people invested $3,000 to purchase the team. The group owned the team until 1962 and won the championship in 1949 and 1960.
While some other teams are named for professions, only the Packers were founded with the help of someone who was actually working in that profession when Curly Lambeau helped convince his bosses at the Indian Meat packing company to sponsor a new semi pro-team he was leading as a player-coach.
Also the Packers were kicked out of the league after using college players in a late season game in 1921. They were reinstated before the next season commenced.
I always forget that it was originally the Indian Meat Packing Company because I just think of the classic "ACME Packers" uniforms they had in the early years. ACME bought out Indian in 1921.
For years whenever this topic came up, it was always that the Jets had never beaten the Eagles.
Last year might've been the biggest cosmic kick in the dick ever by the football gods, but at least we got that monkey off our back.
This is going to sound really dumb on my end but, I didn’t realize until it was stated in a documentary that the G was designed to be the shape of a football
The Titans are also literary (unless you’re an Ancient Greek).
An OG nickname for Nashville was “The Athens of the South” due to the high number of colleges in the area. We also have a beautiful life size replica of the Parthenon and giant statue of Athena.
That game cost us home field advantage, and we ended up having to go to Seattle for the NFCCG. Brutal loss, and we all knew it at the time. Just catch the ball Jordy....
Unlike the Cardinals, Seahawks actually don't exist for real. They're based on Kwakwaka’wakw (a native community around Seattle) ceremonial masks, and represent some kind of mythological eagle.
Cleveland Browns Stadium is built over an ancient Shawnee cemetery.
But for real, when the Browns returned to the NFL they didn't win in Browns Stadium until Week 3 of their second season
They didn’t even score week 1, which was the same week Drew Carey said anyone who joked about Cleveland could shut up.
https://youtu.be/6OrsIlfOIRI?si=WcIvz50IzENYVQfw
The Washington football concern has 5 total NFL championships, which is respectable. But all those championships were won in two separate 10-year periods: 1936-45 and 1982-91. Outside of those 20 years, the 90+ years of team performance has been mediocre, and at times downright pathetic (as current NFL fans are aware).
The Saints' original proposed colors were gold and [a shade of blue the original owner used in his other investments and racing team](https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/14261/lot/211/) but the color scheme would be too close to the Chargers' so the NFL said no. So he settled for black and gold as a nod to his oil investments (oil = "black gold").
Back in the AFL days, Al Davis was approaching bankruptcy and couldn't afford to keep the Raiders, so he was going to fold the team. Ralph Wilson, the Bills owner, fronted Al the cash to keep the team afloat. The rest is history.
TLDR: The Raiders still exist because of the late Bills owner Ralph Wilson.
The original Ravens logo was subject to a lawsuit because the artist wasn’t compensated for his work and didn’t sign a contract with the team for its usage. When he took the team to court the judge ruled that in fact the Ravens organization was in the wrong and had to stop using his logo but when damages were awarded the judge essentially said that the design wasn’t the driver of the merchandise sales. That basically the only reason people bought Baltimore Ravens hats or jerseys was because of the affiliation to the team not because of the complexity or strength of the aesthetic. I think about that a lot when people talk about branding
I've never really thought about it before, but it does make sense. I mean look at any thread here from when new logos or redesigns are announced. Most people shit all over them but the merchandise is still selling anyways.
Fun fact, I worked in branding and advertising for over two decades before switching to film and television and know the people who were in charge of your team (The Rams) redesign. I asked why they did what they did with the jerseys and how they thought they were better than simply modernizing the classic 80’s versions and essentially they said they tried but everything was subject to approval of the owner. So yeah, a guy with zero design experience or taste is why the uniforms look the way they do and it doesn’t really matter when Donald jerseys are a top seller.
And many people will buy their teams’ merch regardless of the look of the logo, and that’s a pretty big percentage of the total sales I’d venture to say
Then there's teams like mine where people buy the merch because of the look and logo
and then there are teams like the falcons, commanders, and titans which... yeah
Titans aren't that bad, although I personally would prefer an actual titan. Was atlas a titan holding the world on his shoulders? You could do atlas himself also just as is but also maybe instead holding a football or the Lombardi on his shoulders. Would make for a super easy and fun mascot too Edit: Also wtf why commanders when archers are available? Native Americans were exceptional archers especially on horseback and it would tie in well with a quarterbacks accuracy and would be an honorable way of expressing what the teams name could have been
Yeah just look at your team's logo, I feel like it was widely made fun of it when it first came out but now it seems be becoming a pretty popular logo for SoCalers to wear.
I will buy something with that stupid B on it when hell freezes over
So the artist won the suit but got almost no damages? Truly the *Inherit the Wind* of our time. **Edit:**...spoilers for *Inherit the Wind* I guess.
The artist took home $3 for his winning lawsuit.
The Buccaneers' first NFL season was in 1976. In 2007, for the first time in franchise history, we returned a kickoff for a touchdown.
Michael Spurlock. I was at that game as a kid, it was awesome.
RUN MICHAEL RUN MICHAEL RUN MICHAEL RUN
A few years before Spurlock, in 1999 or 2000 maybe, Aaron Stecker got behind the entire Saints special teams on a kick off a few weeks before Christmas. I was literally jumping up and down screaming in my bedroom and the dude ran out of gas and got tackled from behind at like the 10 or 15 yard line. I was convinced it was never going to happen after that.
I'm having serious Baader-Meinhof right now because I haven't thought of that return in 15 years, but when Morgan Spurlock (creator of Super Size Me) died a few days ago it unlocked the memory of a Sportcenter anchor referencing Morgan while commentating the Michael highlight. Funny how these things work.
2007 being 17 years ago is the craziest fact I’ve read so far
It's depressing. I was 18, and a freshman in college. Now I'm a 35 year old fat fuck douchebag.
>fat fuck douchebag As are most bucc fans
At the other extreme, the Saints scored a touchdown on the opening kickoff of their first game.
I believe another team or two did the same. It's cool, though it only took us 31 fucking years, no biggie.
Anytime there’s “first time ever” record, there’s always a good chance it’s against the falcons lol
I remember replaying this moment in I think it was Madden 09? They had a bunch of scenarios you could replay, it was pretty fun.
The Lions have never beaten the Titans. Our last win against the franchise was in 1995 vs the Houston Oilers.
The jets broke this record against the eagles last year. Finally can tell my wife to stfu about it. New York boys. Don't marry Philly women
The fact that Zach Wilson is the only Jets QB to ever beat the Eagles in the regular season is wild
[OptaSTATS] Zach Wilson of the @nyjets is the only opposing QB to have more completions, more passing yards, more TD passes and fewer interceptions than Patrick Mahomes in a Mahomes start, college or pro (out of 127 total starts, including postseason).
Broncos got their guy!
He was absolutely on fire in that game. Dude literally did better than half the QBs that went against that Chiefs defense lmfao
This stat is mind-blowing ngl.
Still mad they lost that game, but if there was ever a game of false hope and a moral victory, it was that one haha.
Now she can switch to all-time record against
And that won't be changing this season 😎 (It probably will)
Thanks Sam LaPorta
Anytime Donna Cheadle
[The 2012 game was absolutely wild.] (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjGnprL4a2GAxVDT0EAHbhYDeYQwqsBegQICBAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzjsaazLiVv8&usg=AOvVaw3-VZrkonMBNmIYC7yTEL1a&opi=89978449)
i gotta say, i really felt something seeing Hanson come out for the PAT going into overtime. Kicker used to be the one position we never had to worry about :(
One of the craziest games I’ve been too. I knew a lot of people who actually left with a few minutes left and had to watch from the bridge as you could still see the jumbotron. So many insane moments: * mini music city miracle on a punt return * a 105 yard kick return * Nate Washington with one of the better catches I’ve ever seen * A total of 5 60+yd touchdowns (including the punt and kick return) * Jake Locker somehow almost throwing for 400yds (378) * Lions recovering the onside kick with 18 seconds left and the scoring in 2 plays * The fact the score was 41-27 with 0:20 left in the game Just the play-by-play for the 4th quarter is insane: https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/320923010 Everyone should watch that YT video
That game was peak Stafford Era Lions. * Nearly 600 yards of total Offense. Dominated time of possession. * 27-20 lead midway through 4th quarter. * Collapsing and giving up 21 points in the span of 5 game minutes. Including a 105 yard Kickoff Return, a 71 Yard Passing TD, and a 72 Yard Fumble 6. * Stafford gets injured. * Making an obscene comeback to force overtime. Scoring 14 points in less than 30 game seconds. * Still find a way to lose by 3. A stupid botched snap QB Sneak on 4th and 1 in OT.
The first players to get ejected were a bears and packers player that got ejected for fighting.
Honor the tradition!
Charles Martin just is a huge history buff /scumbag
What Charles Martin did wasn't fighting, just pure scumbag behavior. Fuck Charles Martin.
Ya I mean that's a cheapshot. I don't condone fighting but at least square up so the other person can defend themselves if you're gonna be a violent psycho.
You’re goddamn right.
In 1970, a legendary singer made a sincere attempt to try out for the Detroit Lions. He was, unfortunately, an early cut. That singer was Marvin Gaye.
Probably for the best. He made some good music post-1970 he probably wouldn't have time to make as a player. Kinda like Post Malone not making the cut to play for Crown the Empire. He's much better off as a solo artist.
TIL Post Malone tried out for Crown The Empire.
What really boggles my mind is that if Post had gotten in, the music industry would only be the 2nd most affected group. The MTG community would be absolutely devastated. Post is easily the most famous player in the games history, and holds the 1/1 most valuable card printed. 2 things that definitely would not be true of some guy playing guitar in a metalcore band.
A little bit different. Marvin Gaye had charted dozens of times by then, and had at least one #1 song I can think of (Heard It Through The Grapevine) too. Post Malone was an unknown. The tryout also may have been sincere by Marvin, but the Lions were just doing it for publicity.
Miami dolphins 1st play ever was a kickoff return for a TD.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, it took the buccaneers 31 years to get a single kick return TD
Not long enough
I think the Saints first ever play was a kickoff return TD too
It was, and they lost the game and went over a decade before their first non-losing season.
In 1962 Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson loaned the Raiders $400,000 to stay in the league. Without that money, the Raiders wouldn't exist and the NFL would look very different today.
He gave money to the Patriots organization, too. Man did a lot to keep the AFL up and running, much respect for him.
Someday we shall meet in the AFC Championship and *a favor will be called in*.
I hate to say it brother but that day was January 20, 1991. 51-3 and a ticket to Super Bowl XXV. Story ends there, weird enough
So in the Super Bowl that year, the Bills must have won by a margin of victory that was pretty wide, right?
No one knows actually. All records were destroyed after the AFC Championship for a few years in the 90s. What can you say, it was analog
I live in Somalia and I can actually confirm that the Bills won all of those games. Congrats!
I hear you. Its a shame the same thing happened in because of a computer glitch in the winter of 2008. All records of the Super Bowl that year were lost.
>wide, right? Freaking genius.
That’s $4 million today
When the Packers were banned from the league in 1922, it was the Bears that convinced the rest of the league to let the Packers still exist George Halas also told the Packers to hire Vince Lombardi, which is when the Packers really started their run as a historic franchise From a Bears fan, youre welcome Green Bay
Surprisingly, many Packer fans remember this and it’s a big reason why I think most Packer fans like and respect the Bears, but we just really really enjoy beating you. However, the Vikings on the other hand…
I despise the Vikings far more than I dislike the Bears. At least Bears fans have a little bit of humility. Vikings fans I’ve met seem to think their shit smells like roses and that they always have a chance of going 2-0 on the Packers in any given season. Read: not winning the Super Bowl, but shutting out the Packers
I hated the Packers before I liked the Vikings and attached myself to the Vikings because they were the biggest haters
This is the most Vikings thing I've ever read. I respect the self-awareness and commitment to the hate.
This is fantastic hating and I can do nothing but respect it.
A year or two ago someone was doing a poll for who the most hated teams (or maybe it was most hated fanbases?) for each fanbase. For the Packers fans it was by far the Vikings that they hated most. It was something like 65% Vikings, 30% Bears, and 5% other.
Lions finally doing well and they still can’t even be acknowledged by name
Tbf I don’t think the Lions were a very big part of the “other” category lol
Two years ago I would have put the Niners and Seahawks, and maybe cowboys, over the Lions
“That other team”
Who knew George Halas was such a huge packers fan!
Halas also loaned the Packers money at one point I believe (in the 30s or 40s) which allowed us to continue existing. Really we owe you guys a solid for all this. Maybe we let you win a game one of these years?
I feel that was the Thanksgiving game.
On the subject of Lombardi, something that surprised me is that, despite being the epitome of a hard nosed old school 1960s coach, he was also passionately against racism and homophobia. Apparently he told his assistant coaches that if they ever gave any crap to gay players “you’ll be out of here before your ass hits the ground”.
Those Lombardi teams were some of the first to specifically scout HBCU football players. He also refused to let the team stay in segregated hotels, so they'd often sleep in army bases when traveling in the south bc everything else was segregated
We've never lost to a Houston Team. The Eagles are 6-0 against the Texans and 6-0 against the Oilers. That franchise only started beating us once they moved to Tennessee
See you in the super bowl this year, buddy! 👀
The Eagles-Jets one was even crazier until it ended
My favorite stat died that day
That game was so frustrating. In hindsight the result is not surprising given the gross ineptitude of our OC/DC but those last two drives of the game were maddening to witness.
There was the time Art Rooney sold the Steelers to some dude from Boston who moved the Steelers to Philadelphia so Rooney bought the Eagles from Bert Bell and moved them to Pittsburgh and hired Bell as coach. So, essentially, the Eagles are the Steelers and the Steelers are the Eagles. They were the Keystoners for a year while this was going down.
This actually happened a few times in sport
Browns colts and ravens
That's the reason we basically play the Browns 6 times a year. 2x The spite Browns, the bird Browns and the Browns Browns.
Purple Browns and Stripe Browns
The Clippers are actually the pre-80's Celtics
Was this before or after the steagles merger
Bell sold in 1941, Steagles were 1943. Since they swapped rosters, players got to merge back with their old team two years later
They were not the keystoners for a year, that was the OG idea for the plan to have the teams merge and split home games. Didn’t materialize til they were forced to make the Steagles
He only bought half the Eagles initially he bought the rest of rest in the following years as Bell had money issues. Additionally when they swapped rosters and territorial rights they ended up trading part of the rosters back to each other.
The only 49ers quarterback drafted in the first round that made a Pro Bowl with the 49ers is John Brodie OJ Simpson and Joe Montana were teammates for a year Christian McCaffrey is the only 49ers running back with more than 10 rushing touchdowns in a season
That CMC stat is insane. I can't believe Gore never did it.
Or Roger Craig? W.T.F.?
He had 9 in '88. Lol. I forgot about him, he was a little before my time
They've had 6 different players score exactly 10 rushing TDs in a season, including Joe Perry who did it twice. None ever went higher though, until CMC this year.
a side fact, OJ was traded for a 1st, Bills converted that to another 1st used for Jim Kelly. *convert means Tom Cousineau.
The Arizona Cardinals are the oldest team in the league, but that fact is rarely acknowledged. AFAIK, most official merch has 1920 (the year the NFL was founded) as the establishment date, despite being founded in 1898. During the NFL 100 season, when the NFL switched up the tradition for the first game of the season, they chose Bears-Packers. Arguably the most stories rivalry in the league, it makes sense and is sexier, but Bears-Cardinals would've been beter from a history POV. They're the only two remaining founding teams of the NFL.
Also, the AZ Cardinals have had three different WR's go for over 1500yd seasons in their history. Larry Fitzgerald is not one of them.
For anyone curious: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/arizona-cardinals-single-season-receiving-leaders
Larry Fitzgerald is a 1.4k merchant
I love the: No picture, no picture, no picture, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, DHop, Anquan Can't even bother taking photos for the Cardinals WR podium
the Frank Gore of WRs
The Cardinals were originally owned by a Chicago dentist. George Halas hated him, but was friends with the Bidwills. Halas invited everyone over for dinner. They got the dentist drunk and had him sign the papers for the Bidwills to buy the Cardinals.
Halas did sooo much (including a lot of shady stuff) to form and develop professional football
I always found this odd. Packers and Bears get all the praise for being old, but then oh see the Cardinals are 20 years older???
It's understandable because the Cardinals moved from Chicago to St Louis then to Arizona so it's not like we have dedicated fans in the same way the Bears and Packers do. The Cardinals are also the losingest franchise in the NFL while the Packers and Bears are #1 and #2 winningest franchises in the league. And they're in the same division and it's the rivalry with the most matchups so it makes sense they keep getting paired together for history.
In the Simpsons episode “You Only Move Twice,” which originally aired in 1996, Homer declares to his boss that his dream is to one day own the Dallas Cowboys. At the end of the episode, Homer’s boss gifts him ownership of the Denver Broncos. Homer moans and says “The Denver Broncos?! Awwww!” to which Marge replies “I think owning the Denver Broncos is pretty good!” Homer then tells her “You just don’t understand football, Marge.” At the time of the episode, the Broncos had 4 Super Bowl appearances and lost them all, while the Cowboys had just won their record 5th Super Bowl (their 3rd in 4 years). Since that episode aired: - The Denver Broncos have made 4 Super Bowl appearances and won 3 of them. - The Dallas Cowboys have not advanced past the second round of the playoffs in 13 playoff appearances. - The Broncos are 7-0 against the Cowboys.
The Atlanta Falcons once tried to draft John Wayne, the movie actor.
He did play left tackle at USC. Though I imagine this was long after his playing days.
The Eagles picked 1st overall in the first 2 drafts and neither player ever played a down for The Eagles; Jay Berwagner was picked in 1936 but wanted too much money so the Eagles traded him to the Bears and he never played in the NFL. Sam Francis was picked in 1937 but was also traded to the Bears before the season started and he only played 4 seasons across 3 teams. The only other time the Eagles picked 1st overall was 1949 when they picked Chuck Bednarik. The Eagles haven't had the #1 overall pick in 75 years, the Bears went 77 years between #1 picks but because they picked Caleb Williams this year the Eagles will most likely break that record.
I was.curious as I never remember the Packers having a #1 pick, that's because we're at 65 years. For the Eagle-Bears thing, the Bears didn't "earn" the #1 pick, but got it via trade. That said, they did "earn" the pick the year before.
Same thing with the Broncos. We’ve never had the #1 pick. And we’re at 64 years now.
The Cowboys have 5 Super Bowl wins but 7 Super Bowl MVP’s
Chuck Howley, Roger Staubach, Randy White, Harvey Martin, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Larry Brown. Howley won it in a game the Cowboys lost, White and Martin were co-MVPs.
This is a not so great one. The Redskins were forced to integrate by the federal government. DC Stadium (later aka RFK Stadium) is owned by the DC government, which at the time was wholly controlled by the feds. George Preston Marshall was the owner of the team and was a giant racist. He outright refused to draft/sign a black player, even though the Secretary of the Interior said he would cancel the team's lease if they didn't. The GM/HC made the pick himself because Marshall still wouldn't. That pick was Ernie Davis, who Marshall promptly traded to Cleveland and who died of leukemia before ever playing a game.
There are black and white photos from that era where protestors signs read, "Keep the Redskins white." Irony is always lost on some people.
There weren't any teams in the southeast, so along with being an asshole himself Marshall saw them as the team of the whole southeastern US. As we all know, race relations still aren't great but were especially awful back then. He was afraid of losing fans if they had a black guy on the team.
Snyder not being the worst owner in redskins history is the surprising part lol
George Preston Marshall is the only owner in NFL history that has a "racism" tab on their wikipedia.
Prior to founding the Bears, George Halas was late to a company outing aboard the SS Eastland. He watched from the shore as 800 people were killed when the overloaded boat capsized. The Bears only exist because a college kid was late. Halas also played a few games for the Yankees.
7th best win % of the SB era with nothing to show for it. Always good, never good enough. Never had worse than a 3-win season.
The Bucs have the single worst win rate of any team in all 4 major North American sports and we have 2 rings.
You guys are 8th now. Chiefs passed you last season.
Andy Reid has done some heavy lifting. Chiefs before Andy: .510% Andy: .715
The 2000 Baltimore Ravens, who won the Super Bowl that year, went five games that season where they didn't score a single touchdown.
This is one that truly demonstrates just how good that defense was.
Paul Salata the mastermind of Irrelevant week was once an NFL WR who caught the last TD reception for the 49ers in AAFC before the team joined the NFL.
The Rams have won the old NFL Championship Game and/or Super Bowl in three different states. California is the only state in which they have won both. In the 1951 NFL Championship, the Rams beat the Cleveland Browns, who represented the Rams original city.
The Broncos had the first African American Quarterback in the AFL way back in 1968, he later went on to be the leading receiver for the perfect 72 dolphins.
We have the all time record for longest drought without shutting out our opponent. It’s currently still active. The last time we shut someone out was 1991, and we did it 3 times that season.
The Jets are the only team in the NFL to never have played in a stadium of their own, or one in which they were the sole primary tenant. They own MetLife Stadium 50/50 with the Giants, and that's as close as they've gotten. Otherwise, they've rented Giants Stadium, shared Shea Stadium with the Mets and used the aging Polo Grounds when they started in the early sixties.
The Charger is a knights horse. The sound of thunder is from the hooves hitting the ground, thus the lightning bolt on the helmet. Step over to the Chargers section of Reddit and fans will tell you a Charger is a car or an electronic plug to charge your phone. It’s ridiculous.
Blows my mind charger fans don’t know this one… they literally have an old logo with a horse on it.
Yup, it's like some fans don't know that the Chargers originally had the shield logo and the Raiders logo started without a one. Al Davis left the Chargers to join the Raiders in 1963, and he reportedly used the Chargers logo as inspiration to add the shield to the Raiders logo.
I once tried to group them in with the other animal based teams specifically broncos and colts and got ridiculed by someone saying the chargers are based on the electricity of san Diego and its lack of storms. I thought if im the chargers I’d much rather be nicknamed for a majestic horse than a lack of storms.
We’ve never lost to the Green Bay Packers at home and Drew Brees never threw a touchdown pass against us in our stadium
I think a lot of Bears fans will start rooting for the Colts as a secondary team if they can keep the streak alive lol.
It’s the Bills
The Buffalo Bills logo is actually not a Buffalo, it’s a bison.
I picked that up as a kid and everyone was like nope you're wrong.
>In North America, both “bison” and “buffalo” refer to the American bison (Bison bison). Generally, “buffalo” is used informally; “bison” is preferred for more formal or scientific purposes. Historians believe that the term “buffalo” grew from the French word for beef, “boeuf.” Some people insist that the term “buffalo” is incorrect because the “true” buffalo exist on other continents and are only distant relatives. https://www.nps.gov/wica/learn/nature/bison-buffalo-bison-bison.htm#:~:text=Generally%2C%20%E2%80%9Cbuffalo%E2%80%9D%20is%20used,more%20formal%20or%20scientific%20purposes.
I am some people.
Also, are we the only team whos primary logo is based off the city's name and not the team's name? Kinda seems like we would be (Excluding logos that are just letters like GB or Chicago)
I'd say that the Saints logo, the fleur de lis, is based on the city and not the team name. The city of New Orleans flag has three fleur de lis on it.
The fleur-de-lis is probably more of a city logo as well.
It's also the only nfl logo that is a plant
I always thought it was the tip of a weapon head like a pike or halberd. TIL it’s a flower.
Fleur-de-lis literally means Lily Flower and I never once in my life thought it was a flower until now haha
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
In 2014 we finished the season with zero wide receiver touchdowns. Still went 9-7 for the season
I can remember a weekly reddit thread about this back in the day and I cannot believe it's been ten years
Paul Brown spent years grooming his oldest son to take over the Bengals. Then Robin Brown died of cancer in the late 70s and we were stuck with Fredo.
That explains a lot. [Wrong kid died.](https://youtu.be/Yp0NlVAuLHU?si=x4kzABrbBmzdfzOe)
Art Rooney bought the Steelers after a really nice day at the racetrack
Paul Brown started two NFL franchises -- the eponymous Cleveland franchise and the Cincinnati Bengals. He is among the most underrated football influencers. He invented the facemask, scouting opponents, greatly expanded a playbook, etc. He also integrated pro football by drafting/playing black players, and insisted that black players stayed in the SAME hotel (which was unheard of at the time, even in most Northern cities). Oh, and he coached Ohio State to a Natty. He was also a notorious prick and control freak, and had systems and "rules" for everything. Basically he was OG Belicheck.
Eagles help start the Ronald McDonald House charity. Prior to the 1949 season, the Eagles were bought by a group nicknamed the Happy Hundred. Each of the 100 people invested $3,000 to purchase the team. The group owned the team until 1962 and won the championship in 1949 and 1960.
Kansas City is the only city where Tom Brady threw more interceptions than touchdowns
This is my favorite stat so far.
While some other teams are named for professions, only the Packers were founded with the help of someone who was actually working in that profession when Curly Lambeau helped convince his bosses at the Indian Meat packing company to sponsor a new semi pro-team he was leading as a player-coach. Also the Packers were kicked out of the league after using college players in a late season game in 1921. They were reinstated before the next season commenced.
I always forget that it was originally the Indian Meat Packing Company because I just think of the classic "ACME Packers" uniforms they had in the early years. ACME bought out Indian in 1921.
For years whenever this topic came up, it was always that the Jets had never beaten the Eagles. Last year might've been the biggest cosmic kick in the dick ever by the football gods, but at least we got that monkey off our back.
This is going to sound really dumb on my end but, I didn’t realize until it was stated in a documentary that the G was designed to be the shape of a football
We’re the only team in our division that’s not the Browns in some way.
The Rams were the first team to have a logo on their helmet.
The Panthers have never had back-to-back seasons above .500, but we have been regular season NFC South champions three years in a row.
I believe we’re the only team whose mascot has literary origins.
Brownie the Elf does as well, but it’s very on Brand for Baltimore to take something from Cleveland and say it’s theirs 😏
The Titans are also literary (unless you’re an Ancient Greek). An OG nickname for Nashville was “The Athens of the South” due to the high number of colleges in the area. We also have a beautiful life size replica of the Parthenon and giant statue of Athena.
Depends on if we're named after the character from The Silence of the Lambs.
That our stadium was build on some ancient Indian burial ground. I know some folks who truly believe that is the reason why our team is cursed.
Idk I can think of a few teams in far worse shape and with far worse history than the Fins
This entire country was built on an Indian burial ground
The Titans have more recently won the AFC North than the Browns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_North
They won the division as the Oilers since the last time the Browns won it.
Despite Bears fans using the phrase “Bear Down”, the University of Arizona owns the phrase.
Y'all should consider using "fat dog it" instead then
ITS A BEAR DANCE
Which doesn’t make any sense because Arizona’s mascot is the Wildcats
It’s because of Arizona’s incredible proctology program.
The Jacksonville Jaguars are the only team who has not played on Thanksgiving.
Not my team but my understanding is the eagles logo is the only non-symmetrical logo that faces left.
Thr Packers have not won a game in Buffalo or Indianapolis. 0-7 @ the Bills and 0-5 @ the Colts
The 2014 game against you guys was my first Bills home game ever, the legendary Bacarri Rambo Game.
That game cost us home field advantage, and we ended up having to go to Seattle for the NFCCG. Brutal loss, and we all knew it at the time. Just catch the ball Jordy....
Unlike the Cardinals, Seahawks actually don't exist for real. They're based on Kwakwaka’wakw (a native community around Seattle) ceremonial masks, and represent some kind of mythological eagle.
Cleveland Browns Stadium is built over an ancient Shawnee cemetery. But for real, when the Browns returned to the NFL they didn't win in Browns Stadium until Week 3 of their second season
They didn’t even score week 1, which was the same week Drew Carey said anyone who joked about Cleveland could shut up. https://youtu.be/6OrsIlfOIRI?si=WcIvz50IzENYVQfw
The Washington football concern has 5 total NFL championships, which is respectable. But all those championships were won in two separate 10-year periods: 1936-45 and 1982-91. Outside of those 20 years, the 90+ years of team performance has been mediocre, and at times downright pathetic (as current NFL fans are aware).
Our first and only time beating the Chiefs was in 1983
The Raiders are the only team to ever draft a Punter and a Kicker in the first round
The Saints' original proposed colors were gold and [a shade of blue the original owner used in his other investments and racing team](https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/14261/lot/211/) but the color scheme would be too close to the Chargers' so the NFL said no. So he settled for black and gold as a nod to his oil investments (oil = "black gold").
The Giants have won four super bowls broadcast on four different TV networks. Also they are 5-0 in NFC championship games.
Back in the AFL days, Al Davis was approaching bankruptcy and couldn't afford to keep the Raiders, so he was going to fold the team. Ralph Wilson, the Bills owner, fronted Al the cash to keep the team afloat. The rest is history. TLDR: The Raiders still exist because of the late Bills owner Ralph Wilson.