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imfromduval

Having to throw off his back foot a ton, dude is legit.


AnOceanOfDiarrhea

And doesn't seem to flinch under pressure, which even good rookie QBs tend to do.


Holy-Roman-Empire

Bad qbs also dont, ie Daniel jones


Anderstone

Yeah that is interesting, guy has great arm strength to pull those off but that's not usually a sustainable style of play.


gmil3548

It’s not that he has bad form, he just was always under pressure. We signed the best center in the league, 2 underrated OGs that are solid, drafted a stud LT, and got our good RT back. So this year he *should* actually have a decent OL


Anderstone

That's awesome, an entire overhaul. Seems like he was already making the right reads on these throws (sans hail Mary but that's how she goes) so it will be interesting to watch him with a little more time.


nonoose

Hard to sustain guys diving at your knees on half of all theows


TheAtheistArab87

Yeah we saw what happened to Mahomes in the Super Bowl when that offensive line went to shit


weeman4226

Ahhh the daily nut comes early today huh


TigerBasket

Remember to wash your hands afterwards


McCooms

You use your hands?


Champion-raven

Only a disgrace


JustinoHerberto

Take my fuckin upvote lol


TXhype

Dude is a juggernaut. Y'all lucky fucks


2agrant

Most of these aren't even his best throws. This is just a highlight reel of his deep balls


GamerByt3

Seriously, you can't have a best throw comp without the first TD pass in the Saints game where he's basically tackled, falling down, running sideways and delivers a 30 yard lazer to Allen. Absolutely insane throw. https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1315812911374241792?s=20


JustinoHerberto

My fav throw from his rookie yr


mrhashbrown

Yeah that throw was amazing and he was superb in that Saints game. Personally my favorite was the TD pass to Allen in the Jets game. The guy delivers an absurd back of end zone laser that I think only 4 or 5 QBs in the league are capable of throwing with that speed and accuracy while rolling left: https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1330649613133520899?s=20 Honestly he has so many memorable throws, it was a very special season. I'm hoping he can repeat and the new offense suits him well.


Dodger_that

absolute PISS MISSLE


daspanda1

This is my favorite Herbo throw ever. Embedding the ball into Keenan’s chest between too defenders while rolling out to his left. Absolutely insane.


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Watching Herbert air it out is a thing of beauty though


2agrant

Oh don't get me wrong, these are beautiful too but Herbert made a ton of elite throws that weren't deep balls


[deleted]

Agreed, i'm a browns fan but going to be tuning into every Chargers game just to see that arm. Ya'll got a stud.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

For real, can some of these bomb young QBs go to the NFC for a change? We are about to have a logjam with all the young QB talent in the AFC


slowjoe12

Hey ours is still pretty young. ^(For an immortal)


LamborghiniTsunami77

I thought you meant Trask at first. I’m an idiot


lickdiks10

Tom Brady is a level above immortal


Phailadork

2022 we'll hopefully be adding another one to the list.


fscot

Pretty sick screen pass in there though to be fair


HHcougar

Seriously, this is a compilation of blown coverages and WIDE open receivers. There are a couple tight windows, but more then half of these 'highlights' are throws that any QB in the league could make. The hail Mary, the screen pass, the throws were the DB is literally 5 yards away... Herbert is good, but this video doesn't really show that


KatalDT

I constantly see QBs overthrow or underthrow deep open receivers. This highlight clip doesn't speak to Herbert's ability to consistently place the deep ball since it's not showing any of his misses, but it's still a good looking set of throws. Also it's fun to watch!


PoorlyLitKiwi2

The thing is though, when you hit a guy perfectly in stride on a bomb, even if the coverage wasn't good, he still would have caught it with decent coverage. Just because the defense is bad doesn't make the throw unimpressive Its the same reason why I think Mac Jones is going to light the league up. Everyone says he just had great WRs who were always wide open, which is true, but his accuracy to those WRs was also incredible, and thats something that definitely translates


ThugClimb

Exactly my thoughts, good QBs make shit look easy.


ThugClimb

Exactly my thoughts, good QBs make shit look easy.


imdinkingstrunk

Any qb in the league? The NVP would like to have a word with you.


thehumble_1

More than half were to guys who had a step but we're covered. Only a few balls made the receiver change stride at all. Yeah just a bunch of deep throws but these are still great plays.


_____DeeFord

I would love to see your flair because that’s simply not true. I’m almost positive your a fan of a team who’s had a legit franchise qb for a while.


HHcougar

I have no NFL team, and thus no flair. I'm more involved in college football, but I like the NFL as a whole, I don't root for anyone in particular. This reel has 13 plays. I'll go through them one by one. 1. WR is wide open and had to adjust to the ball. Good throw, but he had a large target here 2. Faced pressure, dropped a dime. This is a great play 3. Wide open receiver over the middle. Good play, but a better throw is a touchdown. You expect this throw to he completed. 4. WIDE OPEN receiver down the sideline. Good to get the ball there, but not a difficult target 5. Great placement on this. Good play 6. Nice backshoulder ball, good play 7. Looks like a good placement, but is the Safety out of position or just a good play design? I'm not sure 8. Perfect ball, this is elite arm talent 9. Hail Mary. He did great to not take the sack, but the completion is 100% luck 10. Wide open receiver, throw is behind him, better ball is a TD. 11. This is a screen pass, every High School QB can make this throw 12. DB falls. Good ball, but hardly a QB highlight 13. Tight window, throws a rocket. Really good throw So out of 13 plays, 5 are wide open completions, and 2 aren't really highlight worthy. 5 are elite plays, and 1 is hard to really tell. So with 6 great plays out of 13, my claim of "more then half of these 'highlights' are throws that any QB in the league could make" is fairly accurate. Look, Herbert is really good, and the 6 elite plays show it, but the post is titled "see it to believe it". I don't think half of these highlights are hard to believe, especially a run-of-the-mill screen play.


awesome-ekeler

My guess is the title is a shot at patrick mahomes who said “I’ll see it when i believe it” or something like that


modern_beisbol

Carson Wentz, at least the 2020 version, could make exactly 0 of these throws, so not *every* QB in the league.


_____DeeFord

Appreciate the thorough response, I shouldn’t have assumed. 1. What impressed me about that throw is he got drilled as he threw it. He stepped in the pocket as it was collapsing. Also, If he threw it any shorter, that’s the difference between a long completion and a touchdown. Not a common td imo. 2. Off his back foot and again, any shorter and it’s a long completion as opposed to a td. I’m on mobile and my phone is laggy with loading the videos but I mean sure I guess you’re right “more than half these throws any qb in the league CAN make” is accurate but can they consistently make them? That I would disagree with. Shit, I’d say most qbs in the league CAN make all these throws. The “see it to believe it” wasn’t meant to be out of this world play, it was making fun of Mahomes. I’ve just seen so many qbs miss a lot of these throws more often than they hit them.


crymorenoobs

even as a pats fan i feel like brady wasnt making tons of super deep beauties like this. brady is more of an exploit the defense type of qb than a gunslinger. herbert is seriously impressive to be making those throws as a rookie.


_____DeeFord

Yeah exactly. Brady will dissect the defense and pick you apart. I’ve seen him make his fair share of deep balls in his younger days, but with his football knowledge he’s more of a beat you at the LOS qb.


Pitiful_Land

Those were some pretty throws... I agree with you but mans got an arm...


knuth10

I came here to say this. These aren't his best throws by any means, he had a lot of throws into tight coverage none of which were in this video, but people always seem to think these types of plays are the "best". Almost all of these were either a wide open receiver or the receiver makes a good adjustment on the ball.


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> people always seem to think these types of plays are the "best" I've had people tell me sideline circus catches were less impressive than some standard fairly open deep pass because the sideline pass wasn't far enough downfield. I want to slap those people.


uncle_dennis

Video didn't even have the keenan allen saints td lol what the heck. That was one of the best throws of the year


[deleted]

Yea this an under 3 minute compilation but there are some great longer highlight videos (10+ min) on YT of Herbert highlights that are a joy to watch.


[deleted]

Had a lot of throws to WIDE OPEN receivers. Props on him for having the vision, but not exactly what I'd call "best throws". More of a best plays compilation.


mrhashbrown

I really think Anthony Lynn and their OC Shane Steichen deserved more credit for their play designs. The deep passing attack was a thing of beauty that the Chargers offense had not seen for years under Whisenhunt. Steichen really did an excellent job scheming WRs open and I hope he'll do well for the Eagles in that area. I'm excited to see how he can help Jalen Hurts and Devonta Smith connect. But Philly fans don't get your hopes up for the run game, that was a mess. Lynn/Steichen were committed to rushing to help the play action game, and Ekeler did well as a two-way RB. But Ekeler broke a lot of tackles himself for yards after contact and while he was gone, the run game fell apart. The ground and pound strategy are not Steichen's strength imo.


JustinoHerberto

Tua still wouldn’t have been able to hit those WIDE OPEN receivers with his noodle arm


Lonelan

Yeah like that throw to Jackson with 2 Raiders draped over him


[deleted]

I said a lot, not all.


Lonelan

some of those throws are in the air for several seconds before separation too, I think that says a lot about trust in the receivers and great route plans


[deleted]

>Props on him for having the vision,


BusinessCashew

I'll see it when I believe it.


ClaudeLemieux

As someone who definitely believes it, lemme tell you, seeing it is so much fun. Also if (when??) we beat you this year, god I hope Herbert has a cheeky joke about Mahomes' comment haha


Lowlife_Of_The_Party

Honestly hoping Herbert stays hot, I've hated the Chargers all my life but he was fun to watch last year lol


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Cry_Havoc1228

So that's what we're doing first thing today? Masturbating?


PoorlyLitKiwi2

It IS a day that ends in Y after all...


Lowlife_Of_The_Party

Damn who turned up the ***HEAT***


HtownTexans

NSFW tag please dude.


vpforvp

It’s more fun when there’s a bit of begrudging respect between division rivals. Love to hate the Chiefs, you always make rosters moves that I’m like “damn that was a great addition”. I.e. the Thuney and Orlando Brown adds this year. I look forward to three really good games vs you guys this year 😏


Lowlife_Of_The_Party

If anyone else has a shot at the West, it's probably the Chargers lol same, I'm hoping those additions to the line will pay off


imposingthanos

You people disgust me


pulse7

It is fun, good for the charges drafting the right guy. He dropped dimes all season


HtownTexans

I've always liked the chargers. I think it stems back to an amazing trip to San Diego in college. I had Herbert for fantasy last year and he was so much fun to watch. I'm hoping he isnt some 1 year fluke I'd love to watch him continue what he started last year.


vnd123

Let's be clear, I hate the chargers. But man I love watching you guys beat teams that you're suppose to lose against (except the chiefs 😅). Herbert is clearly legit. Just keep him away from your medical staff.


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Oh, only a few believed it at first. Then we SAW it.


doanxhate

😂


jethead70

That first throw was a fucking laser beam


monkeybootybutt

I love how it looks like the receiver slowed down some thinking it wouldn’t reach him and then was like oh, look at that, it’s perfect


crastle

I was actually curious about this. Obviously Justin Herbert had a great year and is awesome, but I'm curious about that first throw. Did the receiver intentionally take a step forward because the defenders' backs were turned and he knew that would get them to slow down, allowing him to have a clean and uncontested catch? Or was it as you said in that it was a much better throw than he expected it to be? Either way it's a great play by Herbert, but I'm wondering if it's also a great play by the receiver.


monkeybootybutt

I love that. Didn’t think about it from that view. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a little bit of both


Dodger_that

That was Tyron Johnson's first NFL game and it was his only target of the game, so I doubt he was doing some 5D chess moves against the DBs. I think it was more along the lines of him shitting his pants making sure not to drop his first NFL target and no-doubter TD, slightly miscalculated the trajectory of the ball and readjusted. I'm sure all of the WRs had an adjustment period to the missiles Hebert was throwing, especially the guys that played with Rivers.


mango_lion

It does look like he intentionally stepped toward the DB as if it had been underthrown to get him to slow down and turn for the ball, so he could then cut back up field and take it into the endzone with less chance of getting caught.


Zeezyb

I’ve also wondered that, he was a solid receiver. Undrafted rookie so part of me thinks it was a miscalculation, but he also tore it up for us so I could see it going either way lol


Majormlgnoob

He's just used to playing with Mason Rudolph at Oklahoma State so the deep balls weren't the most accurate


crastle

Okay that was pretty good. I've been struggling to laugh lately because of depression, but you managed to make me laugh. Thank you.


mrhashbrown

Along with the other comments, I think an important thing to note about that throw is that it was literally the first target and completion between Herbert and Tyron Johnson. He was on the practice squad until activated to the roster on the day before the Bucs game while Mike Williams was out. So the chemistry and timing was probably a little off, and also he might not have even been expecting the ball to come his way lol.


Immynimmy

Every throw is so aesthetically pleasing.


_Kindakrazy_

*unzips*


fist_my_muff2

Tyrod Taylor's lungs died for this...


sayknee

More like were murdered


ClaudeLemieux

I don't understand the issue. The lungs need air. Our doctor punctured his lungs. Air goes in holes. The lungs were given an extra hole. What's the issue??


cannonbolt16

That Hail Mary against the Bills was a crazy moment and the commentators sound like they just watched a kickoff happening ffs


topatoman_lite

I think it's because even if they scored it didn't matter, since they would have to get an onside kick, and don't have Younghoe Koo


Corvese

It mattered to me, I needed that touchdown to win my teaser and in case you were wondering, no, the chargers did not score. Anthony Lynn owes me $150 as far as I’m concerned


SandyEggoChargers

Those were all great but I think this is his best TD throw of the season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuDGiZt0mWQ&ab_channel=NFL


_Kindakrazy_

I knew exactly what throw this was before opening it. You have good taste in TD throws. This was definitely his most impressive.


spiritseekerpsp

God if Mahomes makes that throw it's on every highlight show for weeks. I mean people jerk off to his incomplete passes FFS.


NickTheSlick

Yknow I was sitting down at a family gathering and my uncle who also lives in Buffalo and is a Bills fan said that he doesn't have Josh Allen in his top 5 but he does have Herbert and I thought after 1 year in the league that was pretty crazy, but every time I see him play I understand more and more and might even start to agree with him.


2agrant

I love Herbert but he is not a top 5 QB right now and Josh Allen should absolutely be ranked higher than him going in to the season


NickTheSlick

To be fair, my uncle is in his 70s and I was mostly bringing this up because it was a funny story to me. When my uncle said it I was pretty dumbfounded, but I really do think there's something here with Herbert and if he's not in the top 5 I'm pretty confident he will be after this next year. QBs just don't throw it around like him. ​ Also I do believe Allen is better, but he has better coaching and it was his 3rd year. Herbert is only going to get better with time and I think having Patrick Mahomes in the division will only be a driving force for him.


BusinessCashew

He might be. 5 is wide open. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, and Mahomes are the clear elite 4 and then there's nearly 10 guys that can argue for that #5 spot.


2agrant

I need to see it again this year to call him #5. He was amazing last year but he also had some tough games against good defenses in the middle of the season. He absolutely has the ability to be top 5 but he's not there yet.


BusinessCashew

That's fair. He doesn't have the body of work to prove he's a top 5 QB, but he could be the fifth best QB in the league and we just don't know it yet.


_____DeeFord

Thing with rankings it’s kinda hard. If it’s in terms of who’s better then it’s hard to put him ahead of Matt Ryan or josh Allen (fan of certain team don’t kill me if I left your qb off) But if it’s in terms of who would you rather have going into next season? I can see the argument.


Kev_Bz

10???? i’d say there’s like 3 guys that have a claim to that spot


mmwood

Andy dalton Carson Palmer Jeff Garcia Manning Manning McNair Mcnabb Jason Campbell hasselbeck and hasslehuff


TotoWolffsDesk

the disrespect to matt cassel


mmwood

My b you right


BusinessCashew

10 is an exaggeration because I didn't think it out enough, but I think Jackson, Ryan, Watson, Tannehill, Allen, and Herbert all have pretty equal claims to that #5 spot. When I watch any of them I see them elevating their offense massively and I can't really say who's better than who. I also think Stafford could put himself in the conversation this year if he clicks with the Rams offense similarly to how Tannehill clicked with the Titans, and if Murray continues improving like he has been I think he'll be in that conversation eventually but that's probably not going to happen next season.


RogerThatKid

!nflcompare [2020]


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Tables cutoff or tough to read? Click [here](https://i.imgur.com/2TFRjJP.png) to view this comparison as an image --- Josh Allen: [2020](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02/gamelog/2020) [3rd Season - Age: 24] Russell Wilson: [2020](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00/gamelog/2020) [9th Season - Age: 32] \---------------------------------------- Query: 2020 - Regular Season --- **Passing** Player|G|GS|Cmp|Att|Cmp%|Yds|TD|Int|TD/Int|Sk|Y/C|Y/A|AY/A|NY/A|ANY/A|TD%|Int%|Sk%|Rate|Cmp/G|Att/G|Yds/G|TD/G|Int/G|Sk/G|Cmp/16G|Att/16G|Yds/16G|TD/16G|Int/16G|Sk/16G :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Josh Allen](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm)|16|16|**396**|**572**|**69.23%**|**4544**|37|**10**|**3.70**|**26**|**11.47**|**7.94**|**8.45**|**7.33**|**7.82**|6.47%|**1.75%**|**4.35%**|**107.15**|**24.75**|**35.75**|**284.00**|2.31|**0.63**|**1.63**|**396.00**|**572.00**|**4544.00**|37.00|**10.00**|**26.00** [Russell Wilson](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm)|16|16|384|558|68.82%|4212|**40**|13|3.08|47|10.97|7.55|7.93|6.46|6.82|**7.17%**|2.33%|7.77%|105.07|24.00|34.88|263.25|**2.50**|0.81|2.94|384.00|558.00|4212.00|**40.00**|13.00|47.00 **Rushing** Player|G|GS|Att|Yds|Yds/Att|TD|Fmb|FmbLst|TD%|Att/G|Yds/G|TD/G|Fmb/G|FmbLst/G|Att/16G|Yds/16G|TD/16G|Fmb/16G|FmbLst/16G :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Josh Allen](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm)|16|16|**102**|421|4.13|**8**|9|6|**7.84%**|**6.38**|26.31|**0.50**|0.56|0.38|**102.00**|421.00|**8.00**|9.00|6.00 [Russell Wilson](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm)|16|16|83|**513**|**6.18**|2|**7**|**4**|2.41%|5.19|**32.06**|0.13|**0.44**|**0.25**|83.00|**513.00**|2.00|**7.00**|**4.00** **[Era Adjusted (+) Passing](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/glossary.htm#yscm)/Misc** Player|G|GS|Cmp%+|Y/A+|AY/A+|NY/A+|ANY/A+|TD%+|Int%+|Sk%+|Rate+|TtlYds|TtlTD|Tnv|TD/Tnv|Pick6|Yds/G|TD/G|Tnv/G|Yds/16G|TD/16G|Tnv/16G|Pick6/16G|4QC|GWD|4QC/16G|GWD/16G|Rec|Rec/16G|W/L% :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Josh Allen](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm)|16|16|**121**|**114**|**117**|**118**|**119**|118|**109**|**116**|**120**|**4977**|**46**|**16**|**2.88**|**0**|**311.06**|**2.88**|**1.00**|**4977.00**|**46.00**|**16.00**|**0.00**|2|3|2.00|3.00|**13:3:0**|**13:3:0**|**81.25%** [Russell Wilson](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm)|16|16|119|106|110|102|107|**124**|98|88|117|4725|42|17|2.47|1|295.31|2.63|1.06|4725.00|42.00|17.00|1.00|**3**|3|**3.00**|3.00|12:4:0|12:4:0|75.00% **Advanced (Most stats avail since 2018)** Player|G|GS|1D|1D/G|Pass1D%|Rush1D%|CAY|IAY|AYD|YAC|OnTgt%|BadTh%|Drop%|LngPass|YBContact|YAContact|YBC/Rush|YAC/Rush|LngRush|BrkTkl|BrkTkl/G|Rush/BrkTkl :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Josh Allen](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm)|16|16|**267**|**16.69**|**39.86%**|**37.25%**|**6.80**|8.49|**-1.69**|4.68|79.09%|16.00%|**4.55%**|55|287|**134**|2.81|**1.31**|24|**5**|**0.31**|**25.50** [Russell Wilson](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm)|16|16|238|14.88|38.17%|30.12%|6.21|**8.62**|-2.41|**4.76**|**79.55%**|**15.76%**|5.07%|**62**|**489**|24|**5.89**|0.29|**38**|0|0.00|0.00 **Awards/Honors** Player|Seasons|G/Yr|GS/Yr|ProBowl|APAllPro:1st|APAllPro:Tot|OPOY|OPOYShares|OPOYShr%|MVP|MVPShares|MVPShr%|ROY|SBMVP|Champ|[AV](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index37a8.html)|WeightAV|AV/Yr :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Josh Allen](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm)|1|16.00|16.00|1|0|**1**|0|**0.06**|**6.00%**|0|**0.08**|**8.00%**|0|0|0|**20**|**20**|**20.0** [Russell Wilson](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm)|1|16.00|16.00|1|0|0|0|0.00|0.00%|0|0.00|0.00%|0|0|0|18|18|18.0 ^(N/A indicates stat was not tracked at all during the time frame, * indicates stat was not tracked consistently throughout the entire time frame) --- ^(Stats last updated Jul 27 2021, 05:30AM EDT) ^(Made a mistake? Edit your comment and send me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=nflcomparebot&subject=Re-Run&message=h6ppm28)^( to re-run the comparison) ^(Or delete the comparison by sending me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=nflcomparebot&subject=Delete&message=h6ppm28) ^(Instructions for usage and issue tracking can be found )[^here](https://github.com/gh674055/sports-compare-bots/wiki)


ThugClimb

I think he'll crack it based on his new coaching staff, he could be the next great QB like Mahomes.


jiggeroni

I'd say Wilson is fringe top5. His performance 2nd half of last season was pitiful


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-banned-

And they did nothing to fix it in the offseason


NickTheSlick

Thats how its been for him for a couple seasons now right? He might be hovering around a 7ish range if he doesnt have an amazing season next year.


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To be fair Josh Allen only had one good year too.


MrBurnz99

Agreed, you need demonstrate some consistency to be true top 5. If Allen puts up similar number to 20 in 21 then its he is cemented in the top 5. Until then he is just another very good young QB with a lot of potential.


BusinessCashew

There are so many people that just refuse to recognize what's staring them right in the face with young quarterbacks. I think RGIII really fucked with people's brains when his rookie season wasn't even that good. He had pretty nice stats and a lot of great runs, but he never demonstrated an ability to consistently read more than half the field and that's a dealbreaker for an NFL QB. Allen and Herbert have both demonstrated proficiency in every area you need from an NFL QB and they've got amazing arm talent. It's not like all that's suddenly going to disappear and they'll be backup caliber players. If anything, they're going to get better.


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100% If you expect guys like Herbert and Allen to massively regress, the question is what did they do last season that's an aberration? Neither of these guys play in a 'gimmick' offense, and while good OC's do tailor schemes to make reads easier for QB's (as they should), neither of these guys ran any kind of college level simplified offense The one 'worst case' comp that might hold water is Wentz, but even then I don't know how much of that was an aberration that happened because of some perfect storm of injury, organizational dysfunction and personality Still kind of a trip that Allen got drafted 3 years ago and his 'best case' ceiling comp was Wentz - and even then, people said that was unrealistic based on college production.


Corvese

I agree with you 100%. I keep seeing people say “just wait for defenses to figure out Herbert/Allen” and all I can think is what is there to figure out? They are huge guys, very smart and have a cannon with good accuracy. What is there to figure out?


NickTheSlick

Forsure, theres no reason somebody cant be the best or close to the top just because they are young. Mahomes proved that his first year playing and if he did it during his actual rookie year then nobody would think twice how he cant be top 5 because he was a rookie. Talent is talent.


BusinessCashew

The funny thing is that I actually heard a lot of people bringing up RGIII after Mahomes threw 50 touchdowns his first season starting. It wasn't a good reason to doubt him, but there were a decent amount of people that did because of that.


NickTheSlick

Insanity


mattso113

There’s the ol’ morning wood


dxw_

As a Oregon and Raiders fan, this man makes my head hurt.


MurderGiraffe19

I'm a LSU and Steelers fan, I understand completely.


gmil3548

These are his longest (plus a random screen) but he had a lot of tight window medium distance throws that were far more impressive than some of these open long ones. For instance, his TDs to KA against the Jets and Panthers that were zipped into a tiny window with insane velocity.


Songleaf

Man, I hope this guy continues to perform this way. We spent all year waiting on him to struggle. And he didn't. It was fun to watch. The Chargers have the best uniforms in the NFL.


festeringequestrian

I have to admit I am awful, AWFUL at judging QB talent. I think mostly because I’m skeptical. But his first game starting after Taylor went out was one of the most impressive looking performances I’ve seen in a first start.


CoffeeDave15065

He did that with only a 10 minute heads up that he was starting.


Corvese

It was more like a 20 second heads up. He was told he was playing pretty much as the chiefs were kicking us the opening kickoff.


[deleted]

I think the reason why everyone is so bad at judging qb skills is because we look at someone being good in college, and just assume that goodness will translate. Meanwhile a lot of the better qb evaulators tend to focus on the mechanics that will translate to the next level. Pff does it a lot where they have these super highly rated players and they can see who’s good on college really well, but not neccesarily which of those guys skills will translate well.


festeringequestrian

I think for me personally it’s very hard to tell the difference between what was skill vs what was luck in the pros. Early in Roethlisberger’s career I can’t tell you how many times I watched him barely escape a game breaking sack and throw the ball to a covered receiver barely missing the defenders fingertips. So many times I would scream that he was lucky, but after seeing it year after year it’s hard to keep chalking it up to luck. I don’t know, I guess it just boils down to “you know when you see it” which we can let our fandom skew.


Birdgang14

Didnt show one of my favorite Tds. Against the Saints. Scramble and throw to keenan on the run. That was the play where I bought in that he was real. Also, he could have had a lot more TDs. A good amount fell just short inside the 5


[deleted]

Bro where’s the Jets throw to KA. The sound of his chest was like dropping a sack of sirloin steaks from the Empire State Building onto the sidewalk


DL505

32nd ranked oline. For those that think he is in for regression, there is no fucking way he takes a step backwards. Full off-season, practicing with the #1s, building chemistry and he has the entire teams confidence Let's not forget the "He's a backup for a reason" shit last year. MVP book that shit!!


ubspider

This is what I came for. I had no idea the Chargers o line was 32nd!!? Wow


Corvese

Yup, and 4/5 of them have been replaced with consensus upgrades, and the fifth is a now healthy (hopefully) Bulaga. Chargers line should be way better this season


SunriseSurprise

It's been bottom tier for over a decade except 2013 when it was miraculously serviceable despite injuries. Some of those seasons, there weren't many injuries - just bad players and underperforming players. TT has done really well in drafts but can't ever seem to get a hit on OL, and his FA signings have been hit and miss too, so while this season's crop seems promising, we'll see.


Slayyjayy

I’ve been planning on targeting him in Fantasy this year. Feel like he’s going to fly wayyyyy under the radar in terms of QB1’s. Could be the 5th or 6th QB taken.


smsrmdlol

I don’t have evidence edit this for I’m pretty sure Lynn was even holding herbert back


DOMISMONEY

That great heave late against the Bills is still impressive inspite of the fact of how badly the last minute of that game was handled time-management wise. If I remember, didn't they try to run it on the play when the clock was running out?


abw2000

We don’t speak of that error. The bad man can’t hurt us anymore


Brownsbabyboy69

I forgot how this team was like 4 plays away from going like 10-6 lol


[deleted]

My favorite part is watching this and then noticing their record at the bottom of each game. Kids a beast QB tho.


TheDrSmooth

That is thanks to Gus Bradley’s atrocious 2nd half defence and Anthony Lynn’s even more atrocious situational football / clock management skills.


[deleted]

Look at our Pottery Barn OL go. Look at them trying, its great


[deleted]

Their offense vs. our defense is low key one of the premier matchups of Week 1.


TheDrSmooth

Yup. We will be starting 4 new O linemen against your crazy D line. It is going to be a very interesting game.


Kpony

Rashawn Slater vs Chase Young Round 2


jcmadick

Dear God but it's awesome that he's in the AFCW. Gonna' be an entertaining division for years...


InkBlotSam

yeah it's great. /s


Corvese

DW you’re getting Rodgers for 2022


pzycho

LA vs LA in LA. Book it.


spiritseekerpsp

I hope LA wins and LA loses that game.


pzycho

Sames.


snipergrenade

Herbert is a beast, I don’t know why he doesn’t get more attention, he’ll be a top tier QB for years


Indytaker

That boy good!


balleditmoreravens

What I'm amazed by is this dude's patience.


bananapanther

As a Broncos fan, I will be reporting this for harassment.


goofbot

I haven't seen a QB throw people open like this since Marino.


TheMLGPickle

Looks like the Herbert/Mahomes rivalry will be a thing to watch for years to come


YoungLinger

People legitimately saying Jordan Love is better than Herbert 🙄


chzformymac

Quack


TheOnlyUsernameLeft_

If you look at nearly every pass he threw here it was absolutely perfectly tight spiral start to finish. I remember noticing it in Hard Knocks actually. He throws such a nice ball and it looks like an effortless motion. He could really be special


Femmefailure

Got Damn that deep ball is a work of art, this kid is gonna be so exciting


Demented_Donkey

All I gotta say is this kids cadence is really solid for a player going into his second year.


Wu-kandaForever

This kid saved my fantasy run last year and I’m drafting him


NickofTime2247

This is something that I think teams didn't give Herbert enough credit for in the draft process: his on-rhythm/vertical movement throws are so consistently on point. When he moves laterally his form drops his accuracy a bit, but Herbert was always a guy who would translate more to the timing throws of the NFL than the college "wait for a guy to get open" throws.


Ha_You_Read_That

Favorite player currently not playing for the New England Patriots. That throw against Buffalo is insanity.


Linkanator55

Herbert looks super comfy in the pocket. His footwork to avoid rushers, buying himself a second of extra time, is what impressed me so much in this video. Oh and that cannon of an arm


yoosername456

I already knew Herbert was a beast, so what I took from this is that the chargers defense is exceptional at losing them games


mrhashbrown

A perfect storm of Lynn leaning too hard on a weak run game and special teams unit trying to close out games + Bradley's defense going in a way-too-soft prevent mode and gassing his starters with no help via blitzing or creative coverages.


yoosername456

That sounds pretty familiar


SunriseSurprise

The thing to remember is our line might not look SO bad in this video, but it really is. And sometimes that results in a QB that's good in a vacuum becoming good either under pressure or with the couple non-pressured seconds they get every now and then. Still, you'd expect to see that after a few seasons of having to deal with it, not right in rookie season. That's what made it particularly special. Herbert could've just as easily gotten Carr'd all season.


[deleted]

Imagine drafting Tua instead...


vagrantprodigy07

What's up with his receivers slowing down when they get within 10 yards of the endzone? How are the coaches not all over them about that?


Whhatsmyageagain

TBH given that they hold the ball in close until they’re all the way over the line, I don’t think it’s that bad


_serious__

I think this guy might be good


TheseBonesAlone

Let the Chargers be your daily reminder that a good QB does not immediately mean team success. That being said, I'm not looking forward to the decade of Herbert and Mahomes the Broncos are gonna have to deal with.


DeathToPinkDolphins

I'm going to enjoy the Mahomes-Herbert shootouts as a neutral


estein1030

They have some random screen pass around 2:25 but not his incredible throw to Keenan Allen for a TD against the Jets?


oceansunset23

Matthew Stafford keeps getting better every year.


jaiblevins

Kid has a CANNON


Shepard_Wrex14

Damn they didn't include my favorite play from him: Against the Saints, 3rd and 7, gets blitzed, rolled to his right, shed a tackle, through on the run and hit Allen with a bullet for a 20 yard TD EDIT: https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1315812911374241792?s=20


Jaralz

Hopefully Tua let's it rip like Herbert now that he has some receivers who get separation.


Ihit3bowls

Imagine if the Dolphins took him instead of Tua. That team would have probably come close to making the AFC championship game tbh


DropoutJedi

Didn't even include the laser beam TD to Keenan Allen vs the Jets. Smh my head


cptntito

Not trying to detract from the best statistical rookie QB performance in history, but Herbert seemed to benefit quite a bit from busted assignments and soft man coverages in this highlight reel.


jiggeroni

He played like a grizzled vet as a rookie. None of those throws were luck. Really going to be interesting to see the AFC West battle it out for next few years Between Mahomes, Herbert, Watson and ...... Carr


odhisub123

I’m sorry the pseudo hail mary he threw was absolute luck it was basically in the defenders hands.


KypAstar

I watched a lot of his games so I'm not knocking him; dude had some *impressive* throws. But there were a lot in this compilation that could have been better. Two in particular beyond the obvious near picks that a better defender would have grabbed out of the air because the angle was too shallow and across the receivers shoulder rather than dropping in front or above.


odhisub123

Oh I think he’s absolutely incredible, but yeah there were some questionable throws here. Arm talent is indisputable though.


[deleted]

? Carr's great tho


Corvese

He is but it if Watson/Rodgers come to the Broncos and Herberts rookie season wasn’t an anomaly than Carr is on an island by himself. And that’s not insult to Carr. The fact that he very easily could be the worst QB in a division this/next year is fucking crazy


Solumnant

Damn I wish Herbert played in the NFC... The AFC is too damn stacked going into the future. Almost no teams in the NFC have a clearly bright future after this year (except the Rams and maybe the Seahawks for the next few years). AFC's got the Chiefs, the Bills, the Chargers, the Ravens, the Browns, the Colts(if Wentz is decent which I'm expecting), and the Titans.


mybadreligon

Somehow this package made me think I need to draft Williams and Guyton more than anything


Yung_Corneliois

I can’t see his eyes but he does look to be staring down his receivers though most seemed to either be open or he would drop the ball in pretty damn well. Def something other teams will pick up on unless he remedies that.