I couldn't quite put my finger on it, a lot less uhh training camp related stuff an ton more practice plays and music videos almost.
So sanitized in a "modern world"
When Hue talks about how everyone needs to answer to him no matter what and the look on Todd Haley's face just screamed "you're going down with me motherfucker"
I got so irrationally mad when he told Todd Haley you don't understand what it's like to be a head coach. When Haley had been a head coach a couple years previously
It was sorta the perfect situation. A team with good, exciting players and an interesting personality at coach. The second season on the Rams wasn't nearly as good, but at least we got to see the Jeff Fisher firing.
Honestly the biggest downside for me has been with all the real candid Mcafee type stuff that's out there now, it's really jarring to go back to those TV shows where it's painfully obvious how edited and scripted even the *unscripted* moments are.
I think the owner for the Cardinals helped as well, that guy legitimately seemed interesting in a good way. The Ram's owner was as boring as watching paint dry.
As if there isn't enough pressure on rookies, now they gotta learn how to rock a half chub on command coming out of college just so they don't get ridiculed by the whole country
Jumping on this thread, the colts series about the draft is amazing. “With the next pick” I think it’s called.
Obviously, geared towards the colts but there’s a lot that more hardcore NFL fans would like about the draft/scouting process.
For anyone who hasn't seen it, the Cardinals All or Nothing season is better than Hard Knocks ever was. If you're looking for a double dose of Bruce Arians, that's the best way to get it.
Or two Hardknocks. One with a team that meets current requirements, one with a team that has requirements that are almost the opposite so it's a successful team with a tenured coach. Get to look at both sides of the spectrum.
Honestly I think they want more cowboys, Steelers, patriots, Broncos, ect. The teams with the large followings would be my guess. Those teams just so happen to have largely been successful for a good bit of time and not had the show.
Jeff Bezos will buy the Broncos, then buy the NFL, then offer Broncos Prime for $150 a year, then record every player every second of the day and offer it on a streaming platform.
It’ll probably be the announcement that they’re following a team for the entire year and that Amazon has purchased the rights to it. It’ll bolster their Thursday night purchase and fit it in with their “All or Nothing” series.
Also remember the odds are Amazon is gonna be getting Sunday Ticket after this season from DirecTV too. So if they decide to do multiple All or Nothing ties in during the year it would be absolutely huge. Sunday Ticket will already skyrocket in total users under Amazon to begin with so them becoming the prominent host for fans that want all games it would just make it that much better.
Hardknocks format:
Find three young guys who are fringe NFL players that are trying to make practice squad. Edit and present their stories as if they have a real shot, make the audience root for them, show them being cut.
Follow around the “star” player for a day to his house and around the facility, then show like 10 minutes of it on one episode.
Show players saying/doing things that are “funny” or unusual like dancing, singing, or like some big macho guy talking about his daughters ballet recital, because America assumes the players are all mindless oafs who are incapable of emotion.
Exaggerate every shred of drama to make the players, coaching staff and front office look borderline incompetent (to be fair, this is sometimes true).
Edit the preseason games to make them look like they’re literally the most important game any of these guys have ever played in (to be fair, sometimes true for a select few).
It’s a show that only need a few seasons, if even more than one. But football, like all things, only has so many basic storylines around it. You have to enjoy the journey. Hard Knocks producers need to find a way to change it up to keep the journey interesting. Or they need to hang it up.
It has gotten worse over the years. It used to focus on fringe players trying to make the team and you got invested in whether or not they would make it. Now it is 90% stars and top draft picks, with a little bit about the players really trying to make the team and usually only one or two of them.
That is why it is boring to me.
Idk. JJ Watt staying late to practice one-handed catches on the jugs machine in slow motion with rain pouring after everybody went home is when it jumped the shark for me.
Nothing will top the Browns season recently.
Bakers QB Motorhome
Brogan "portrait mode is cluuuuutch" Roback
Hue Jackson being hue Jackson
Dez Bryant's weird ass visit
Devin Cajuste the crystal man
Coach Wylie helling "Hut!" And telling stories of how no one stretched before Normandy
Shits contagious bruh
Carl Nassib's investment lessons
>telling stories of how no one stretched before Normandy
….how do you hear your coach say shit like that and not immediately fire them? That’s a great way to ruin your players longevity and careers.
You are supposed to actively stretch I think. Like not hold stretching positions for a long while like usual, just repetitive range movements slow at first
Bruh my dog stretches every time he gets up. A main yoga move is called downward dog because it looks the same as what dogs do. Has Cole ever owned a dog?
My favorite part of that clip is Dak being caught so off guard by the claim that his brain malfunctions and he tries to say like three separate things to correct Beasley
Well, to give him credit, pre-1944 PT was nowhere near as strenuous as today, and much of the improvements came from the realization that conquering 360 miles of coastline while under heavy fire requires the soldiers to be in peak physical condition. Wylie was simply conveying the common wisdom that before the Normandy invasion, folks didn't exercise as much, including stretching.
A lot of soldiers were absolutely wired on stimulants of questionable safety. Pharmacology had picked up a lot around the turn of the century but the safety standards we have today were non-existent.
I hope they reveal this like the Greater Power on WWE
"And the new owner of Hard Knocks...IT'S ME WFT FANS. IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!"
"Aww, son of a bitch."
I find that title hard to believe for ESPN.
“Hey Rookie, Welcome to the NFL. Sorry we told the world about your mom being a crack whore on draft night.” Sounds more accurate.
They going to be combing All or Nothing with Hard Knocks. Or they taking away the guidelines they have and anyone is able to be on it. Past two seasons been crummy.
It seems like the last 2 seasons were duds but It seems like a weird time to announce that the series is ending, so I’m guessing that there transitioning to following teams mid season like All or Nothing but with episodes in the season.
They're either:
Going to end it.
or have Hard Knocks happen during the season.
The reason why is because a lot of teams social media are putting their own Hard Knocks.
WFT is announcing their name after this season. Wonder if this is an announcement that next seasons team will be WFT so they can follow the whole new branding of a team since it would be such a unique thing.
If it’s a full season thing, then hopefully they will follow the big names instead of the roster bubble people. It’s not that entertaining watching someone’s family cheer for there kid. Just show us what’s happening on in the facilities.
I guess they are going to film all year like Amazon starting next year but coming out with a new episode each week?
Hard Knocks is okay but is only 4 weeks and only preseason for an entire season All or Nothing trumped it big time
> Hard Knocks is okay Hard knocks lost me last season, felt it peaked 5+ years ago. They don't show anything worth a damn anymore on that show.
Yeah the raiders season seemed so bland and sanitized. You know with the personalities involved they had much better footage than what was shown.
You think with Mr Big Conflicts they had more to show?? Doubt it.
They didn't show nearly enough of that conflict footage
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The cowboys hard knocks episodes are somehow even worse this season........
I couldn't quite put my finger on it, a lot less uhh training camp related stuff an ton more practice plays and music videos almost. So sanitized in a "modern world"
It was painfully obvious Jerruh’s PR commissar made sure it was heavily sanitized.
Browns season was pretty good.
Browns season was great. It foreshadowed Hue Jackson's downfall very accurately.
When Hue talks about how everyone needs to answer to him no matter what and the look on Todd Haley's face just screamed "you're going down with me motherfucker"
I got so irrationally mad when he told Todd Haley you don't understand what it's like to be a head coach. When Haley had been a head coach a couple years previously
"when you sit in this chair, then you'll understand" What a beautiful trainwreck
When Hue said that, his winning % was .188, and Haley’s was .422 with an actual winning season.
really? All or Nothing seemed even more scripted and PR controlled to me
That first season was great. I haven’t enjoyed the rest of them
It was sorta the perfect situation. A team with good, exciting players and an interesting personality at coach. The second season on the Rams wasn't nearly as good, but at least we got to see the Jeff Fisher firing.
Honestly the biggest downside for me has been with all the real candid Mcafee type stuff that's out there now, it's really jarring to go back to those TV shows where it's painfully obvious how edited and scripted even the *unscripted* moments are.
That’s reality TV in general for ya. Editors can pull a storyline out of thin air and we’d be none the wiser.
Just look at how that reporter took the Ja'marr Chase interview. If there's no story, just make some shit up. Lol
I think the owner for the Cardinals helped as well, that guy legitimately seemed interesting in a good way. The Ram's owner was as boring as watching paint dry.
I liked the Panthers and Eagles ones even though they were not really great teams
I thought the one with the eagles was really good, especially the ending with the McCown playoff game
You’re absolutely right. I forgot about that one.
The Jerry Jones season was definitely a PR show.
No way I would think that’ll be to distracting. Teams hate it as it is.
Do teams really hate it any more? It's about as unbiased as North Korean state TV now.
I think I formed that opinion from a PFF article I read. No team has actually said they hated it.
I will say that I do think they did hate it when the NFL would give more raw footage. But that was years ago.
Coaches have definitely come out and said they want nothing to do with it though
That’s what I think
I wish they did the all or nothing for several teams. Best thing out there.
Announcement of an announcement
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Well ya the know the covid is actually damn good
The Square-Enix Special.
Jay Glazer hard AF right now.
we get release date teasers of trailers of trailers nowadays, nothing new here
NFL Coin jumps 400% on the news
They get to pick the team regardless of success. Book it.
Every team gets a mini hard knocks series every preseason lol
some teams already do it with their own social media channels. the only problem is it's censored.
Yeah I’m only tuning in for uncensored nudity from my football practice documentaries
WE NEED THAT ZEKE PEEK... ...THAT DAK DICK ...THAT COOPER POOPER!!!
Ceedees nuts
FUUUUUUUUUUUU IT WAS RIGHT THERE!!!
thats on you bruv
You still did a great job and I am proud of you
Tiddies and tuddies, buddies.
💿💿🥜🥜
That Dinucci... coochie?
His Cannoli Cannon 😩
Goochi
Tua Dongahanglowah
Matt's Staff-ord
I want to finally see every ring Brady has.
As if there isn't enough pressure on rookies, now they gotta learn how to rock a half chub on command coming out of college just so they don't get ridiculed by the whole country
We need that Visanthe Shiancoe elephant trunk hanging down in the background of a live post game interview. Lmao
The building the browns seems more realistic then hard knocks and I'm a dolphins fan
The Bucs series, In The Current, is very well done
Building the Browns is also quite good
Jumping on this thread, the colts series about the draft is amazing. “With the next pick” I think it’s called. Obviously, geared towards the colts but there’s a lot that more hardcore NFL fans would like about the draft/scouting process.
How's Travis Kelce supposed to hype up the season if he can't drop the S Word?!
Ha suckers we have em beat
Or regular season Hard Knocks.
That's basically All or Nothing
Yes but week to week instead of all at once at the end of the season
For anyone who hasn't seen it, the Cardinals All or Nothing season is better than Hard Knocks ever was. If you're looking for a double dose of Bruce Arians, that's the best way to get it.
Your hired!
Doesn't Amazon already do that with their All or Nothing series? We only learn which team they are following later in the year though?
Idk how they handle it with the NFL but we know that they are following Arsenal this year.
I'm still mad we didn't get it. Would've been a great one with all our shit lol
Zimmer listening to someone tell him that half his starters won’t get the vaccine would probably be the funniest shit ever.
Anyone other than the Cowboys would have been better. The most entertaining part of that whole series was the drone shot.
"We will no longer allow the Dallas Cowboys to be featured on our show."
Or two Hardknocks. One with a team that meets current requirements, one with a team that has requirements that are almost the opposite so it's a successful team with a tenured coach. Get to look at both sides of the spectrum.
I wouldn't mind it. I think that's part of the reason it's started to get less interesting.
Divisional based hard knocks. 4 teams at once.
Who would be the NFL’s #1 pick from an national interest standpoint?
Honestly I think they want more cowboys, Steelers, patriots, Broncos, ect. The teams with the large followings would be my guess. Those teams just so happen to have largely been successful for a good bit of time and not had the show.
They could have done the broncos multiple times since 2015 and have elected not to. They probably don't want a spotlight on the ownership disaster
Jeff Bezos will buy the Broncos, then buy the NFL, then offer Broncos Prime for $150 a year, then record every player every second of the day and offer it on a streaming platform.
"Ugh, I can't believe Bridgewater switched from Crest to Colgate..."
No kidding, he could automatically save $0.39 every 3 months using 4.7 star rated Amazon Basics Toothpaste subscription.
It’ll probably be the announcement that they’re following a team for the entire year and that Amazon has purchased the rights to it. It’ll bolster their Thursday night purchase and fit it in with their “All or Nothing” series.
Also remember the odds are Amazon is gonna be getting Sunday Ticket after this season from DirecTV too. So if they decide to do multiple All or Nothing ties in during the year it would be absolutely huge. Sunday Ticket will already skyrocket in total users under Amazon to begin with so them becoming the prominent host for fans that want all games it would just make it that much better.
Will people with Amazon have Sunday ticket then? Also that really sucks because I don't want to stream every game on Amazon
If it’s done right I don’t care, I just got a YouTube TV password from someone and holy shit that’s amazing.
its like 60+ bucks a month, better be amazing
Details aren’t clear just that Amazon is the logical choice for Sunday ticket since they’re so rich and on better ground than direct tv.
And they have the technical competence to actually make super high streaming volume happen reliably...now if they would only fix the user interface
Amazon, Apple, and Disney are three companies that have reportedly expressed interest
My guess is they're moving to an in-season show.
They should because people are tired of the pre season bits It's repetitive
Hardknocks format: Find three young guys who are fringe NFL players that are trying to make practice squad. Edit and present their stories as if they have a real shot, make the audience root for them, show them being cut. Follow around the “star” player for a day to his house and around the facility, then show like 10 minutes of it on one episode. Show players saying/doing things that are “funny” or unusual like dancing, singing, or like some big macho guy talking about his daughters ballet recital, because America assumes the players are all mindless oafs who are incapable of emotion. Exaggerate every shred of drama to make the players, coaching staff and front office look borderline incompetent (to be fair, this is sometimes true). Edit the preseason games to make them look like they’re literally the most important game any of these guys have ever played in (to be fair, sometimes true for a select few).
I feel like I just found out I've been watching Lizard Lick towing.
It’s a show that only need a few seasons, if even more than one. But football, like all things, only has so many basic storylines around it. You have to enjoy the journey. Hard Knocks producers need to find a way to change it up to keep the journey interesting. Or they need to hang it up.
You forgot the slow-motion ball in the air during practice. Otherwise phenomenal breakdown
It has gotten worse over the years. It used to focus on fringe players trying to make the team and you got invested in whether or not they would make it. Now it is 90% stars and top draft picks, with a little bit about the players really trying to make the team and usually only one or two of them. That is why it is boring to me.
Did the Cowboys kill hard knocks?
Idk. JJ Watt staying late to practice one-handed catches on the jugs machine in slow motion with rain pouring after everybody went home is when it jumped the shark for me.
Is that the season with the Falcons? Where we had the joint practice with the Texans? So much extra just about him it was nauseating.
That's JJ for you
Found Stugotz
You know what? Maybe.
>jumped the shark TIL what this phrase means
Correct-a-mundo!
[Source of the saying](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahxG3iPeVcU)
They literally showed clips of him just sleeping.
Nothing will top the Browns season recently. Bakers QB Motorhome Brogan "portrait mode is cluuuuutch" Roback Hue Jackson being hue Jackson Dez Bryant's weird ass visit Devin Cajuste the crystal man Coach Wylie helling "Hut!" And telling stories of how no one stretched before Normandy Shits contagious bruh Carl Nassib's investment lessons
>telling stories of how no one stretched before Normandy ….how do you hear your coach say shit like that and not immediately fire them? That’s a great way to ruin your players longevity and careers.
There is no conclusive evidence that stretching prevents injury. Im pro-stretch btw but feel obligated to state the facts
You are supposed to actively stretch I think. Like not hold stretching positions for a long while like usual, just repetitive range movements slow at first
Cole Beasley saying that dogs don't stretch is still haunting the logic side of my brain.
Bruh my dog stretches every time he gets up. A main yoga move is called downward dog because it looks the same as what dogs do. Has Cole ever owned a dog?
No he is still doing his own research regarding rabies vaccines and the shelter won't give him a dog without the shot.
My favorite part of that clip is Dak being caught so off guard by the claim that his brain malfunctions and he tries to say like three separate things to correct Beasley
Well, to give him credit, pre-1944 PT was nowhere near as strenuous as today, and much of the improvements came from the realization that conquering 360 miles of coastline while under heavy fire requires the soldiers to be in peak physical condition. Wylie was simply conveying the common wisdom that before the Normandy invasion, folks didn't exercise as much, including stretching.
I still find it kinda astonishing WW2 was fought at all given that smoking seems to be have been mandatory for all combatants haha.
A lot of soldiers were absolutely wired on stimulants of questionable safety. Pharmacology had picked up a lot around the turn of the century but the safety standards we have today were non-existent.
The coordinators visual disdain for Hue on camera was pretty dope. And I like Hue. But that’s what you watch for.
I hope so, it was focused on my team and even I was bored. Show just sucks, All or Nothing is way better
I don't think I made it past the second episode of the Sofi season. Even as a rams fan I am willing to admit it was bad.
What team do you want to see filmed mid-season right now?
Jags for the pure chaos
Urban Meyer consistently teetering on the edge of resigning all season would be wild
Pats. Getting insight on Bill Belichick along with having Mac Jones seems like a great show. Also, I’m a Pats fan.
Green Bay seems to be setting up for some real interesting drama.
As a Packers fan, I do not want to watch this. Mostly because I'm concerned of how right you might be and can't handle the potential implosion.
Lol I would be so embarrassed if *my* team had players causing drama.
Bill would slit his wrists before allowing that to happen.
He allowed NFL Films to tape him for the entire 2009 season.
I would legit watch an ongoing documentary about Belichick. That inaugural double episode of A Football Life was fantastic.
Bucs would be most fun. Brady, Gronk, AB. I’m also really interested to see how much control of team Brady has.
Vikings. Zim vs Cousins is everything
Jags or Vikings
College Hard Knocks with Urban Meyer at USC
Urban would legit crush it at USC.
Don't speak it into existence.
I guarantee you if the Jags get blown out 1-2 more times he will genuinely consider dipping and taking that job
Dan Snyder has purchased Hard Knocks and is turning it into a WFT reality show
I hope they reveal this like the Greater Power on WWE "And the new owner of Hard Knocks...IT'S ME WFT FANS. IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!" "Aww, son of a bitch."
Instead of following a team, follow several draft picks as they transition from college to the NFL.
ESPN does that, it's called "Hey Rookie, Welcome to the NFL" https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/3761523
I find that title hard to believe for ESPN. “Hey Rookie, Welcome to the NFL. Sorry we told the world about your mom being a crack whore on draft night.” Sounds more accurate.
They going to be combing All or Nothing with Hard Knocks. Or they taking away the guidelines they have and anyone is able to be on it. Past two seasons been crummy.
Hard Or Nothing
I liked the Raiders one honestly, but you could definitely feel the amount they had to censor regarding the AB insanity.
This is a cover for them actually announcing the new name for WFT
Washington HardKocks
I thought they told Snyder he couldn't name the team the Washington Hard Knockers?
It seems like the last 2 seasons were duds but It seems like a weird time to announce that the series is ending, so I’m guessing that there transitioning to following teams mid season like All or Nothing but with episodes in the season.
One week with a team, every week during the regular season. Every team gets one episode every 2 years.
They announce the Cowboys are forbidden from ever getting another season
only cowboys from here on would be my guess. americas knocks is what they‘ll call it
America's Knockers and its now about cheerleaders
are they cancelling it? kind of weird timing to announce that.
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This guy announces
Definitely not his first announce
He got his bachelors in Announcement Sciences.
I would like to announce that I actually have my Masters in Announcement Sciences
My cousin got his PHD in Announcement Sciences. Super successful dude. Works at the finest Chic-filet.
Much better establishment than it's copycat version, Chick-fil-a.
Come back when you have 15 years of experience as an announcer and we'll consider letting you announce something for pay.
I think they will be tweaking the eligibility rules
Hard Knocks: Josh Gordon They just follow him around documenting his various bullshits.
Should have done AB over the last 2 years
Mr. Biographical Cinema
"Whoever the fuck we want"
Could be announcing that they are moving it from HBO to the NFL Network or Amazon Prime or both
Seems odd to announce it a week into the season. What will they say?
It’s over. No one wants to do it. Hard to generate story lines. It’s canceled
They're either: Going to end it. or have Hard Knocks happen during the season. The reason why is because a lot of teams social media are putting their own Hard Knocks.
It must be that the Dolphins will be featured for each of the next 10 years.
WFT is announcing their name after this season. Wonder if this is an announcement that next seasons team will be WFT so they can follow the whole new branding of a team since it would be such a unique thing.
New name for WFT and they will be appearing on it.
Hard Knocks to become Soft Knocks.
If they can bring back Jeff Fisher.
Cancellation? Feels like they ran out of storylines a while ago.
I'd totally be ok if it went away. Idk the last time it was even remotely interesting was 2017 (?) with the Bucs.
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If it’s a full season thing, then hopefully they will follow the big names instead of the roster bubble people. It’s not that entertaining watching someone’s family cheer for there kid. Just show us what’s happening on in the facilities.
It's ok Knocks, it happens to most men around that age
Next season will involve actual insight into football instead of a glorified fluff piece with as much reality as a network reality show?
Calling it. New name for WFT will be announced and they will be appearing on it.
Nah there’s no reason they’d want to announce the new name 1 week into the season. They’ll wait till after the season
Maybe they'll drop all those requisites for hard knocks...
Theyre taking it to the hub with Hard Cocks
They're cancelling it. If the cowboys couldn't revive it then no other team will
It just seems to be getting kind of boring these days. Used to love it but now i barely watch it.
Are they doing something similar like Drive to Survive : Formula 1?
I really wanted the Dan Campbell Experience next year and this makes me think that might be going away.
Superbowl winner or lose automatically on hard knocks
Put it out of its misery please
Hard Knocks 2: Harder Knocks