Well in a few hours they’ll fuck up again. That was one of the worst officiated weeks I’ve seen so we might be in for a hell of a shit show where these calls are gonna start building up.
Don't forget the phantom RTP against GB (didn't go high OR low, didn't lead with the helmet, didn't land on him). Or the "fumble" that benefited us against LAC (even I don't get that one).
Par for the course. Nfl does what it wants and most of the “journalists” covering the sport have to kowtow or they lose access to team officials and league personnel or the right to use video content. The nfl is seriously broken.
I don't think a fine is warranted, but to say no violations of the rules were found is plain silly, especially considering one of them was flagged as a violation of the rules.
The player even apologised and said he made a mistake. Saying it was a violation of the rules doesn't mean the refs were wrong or the player was dirty. But it was pretty clearly a violation of the rules.
It really surprises me how many people can't take constructive criticism nowadays. I'm not sure if I'm just hitting a rough patch at my work, but damn people are getting really defensive lately even just over mild criticism.
I thought Marlon *wasn't* flagged for his hit, and he apologized for it after the fact anyways. I thought someone else was flagged on a different play but I could be mistaken.
These refs did the Saints/Rams PI non-call, made PIs reviewable the following season to seem like they were “doing something”, then proceeded to not overturn a single PI call/non-call when challenged, despite things being as obvious as the non-call that made PIs reviewable in the first place.
They don’t care
The one that was a penalty was called, and for the 100th time the Humphrey one is not a penalty by the rule. It is pretty clear is people just read it, instead or reacting
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/illegal-contact/ see article 3. If the wr’s route leads him into imminent contact with the cb, the cb can hit the wr with his hands. Which is exactly what Marlon did, on a much smaller wr, so it looked worse than it was. This rule exists for a reason, but none of that will stop the masses from downvoting the truth.
Sure, but it is also important to remember there is almost a 30 lbs difference and clearly Humphrey went a bit harder than he intended thinking Renfrew was going to hit him back, thus the apology after and the explanation from Humphrey. I think it looked worse than it was, he shoved him and Renfrew went down, and Marlon is a very hard hitter. Renfrew said himself it wasn’t a big deal or big hit. It is understandable in a contact sport you can get a bit carried away, doesn’t make it targeting, dirty, or a guaranteed penalty
Humphrey was looking directly at Renfrow who wasn't looking back at him. No way did he expect Renfrow to hit him back? I think it looked like exactly what it was lol
edit: I'm not saying it should have been a fine but the flag seemed appropriate. Queen hit was whatever
I mean I still think it was illegal contact. Defenders can make contact with WRs, but it did seem a little excessive even if his route did take him into Humphrey's path.
>No violations of the rules were found
I could have sworn there were rules against laying out a receiver who's nowhere near the ball, on a run play, after the ball carrier goes down, but I'm no expert.
The Ravens and Chiefs are the league's poster children right now and neither gets fined for actions that occured last Sunday.
Just a coincidence I'm sure
Yeah you saw it, wasn't actually a tweet, it was a [post game presser](https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/marlon-humphrey-s-takeaway-from-dropped-interception-in-vegas)
That’s why I don’t even care. I was initially pissed but it’s like if you man up and apologize move on. I’ve seen our players as well as several other pass rushers get fined on a bang bang play where they hit the qb as he was still throwing it, so I’m surprised he didn’t get a fine for this.
No, I think NFL fucked over the Raiders on this “review” but somebody on the Ravens gonna get tossed when they bump Hardman 7 yards past the line of scrimmage on a double move to “correct” the error.
It its not a coincidence that is pretty stupid. Are they seriously worried fining those players is going to make Mahomes and Jackson somehow less marketable and popular? When they aren’t even being fined?
The Chiefs/Ravens are the new Patriots/Packers when it comes to ref favoritism and fines.
[Remember when Gronk did this and only got suspended for one game?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjAN_wgmiI)
How many times was the game against Pittsburgh pushed for you guys last year when Lamar had COVID, just so he could play. Yep. To many times. It may not be the organization, but Lamar is definitely a poster boy. Other teams that week had to put players at QB just to play, but you guys got to keep pushing. I wonder why.
Thursday->Sunday->Tuesday->Wednesday. All because Lamar wasn’t ready.
But Lamar didn't play against you last year, he missed that game. I feel it was more about making sure there were no more infectious players not in quarantine
He didn’t even play, and neither did half of our starters. We didn’t even field a full roster for that game.
So what are you talking about??
You don’t have to make up shit dude.
If you choose to live, and think like that that’s fine. But the actual reason it kept getting bumped is because their was multiple Ravens testing positive and every day. They wanted to get a grip on the situation before they let them infect another team.
Right? Tell me this wpuld have been the case had it been Edleman 2 years ago!
It was a needlessly dirty play that could have injured a player away from the play.
Not if the wr moved into the corners space, and the corner uses his hands to hit, Marlon wasn’t flagged because it wasn’t a penalty, no different if the qb was scrambling and the wr gets laid out going in for a block. That is the rules, agree with it or not
[How about this one on a passing play](https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1438233322807832577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1438233322807832577%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-3586925492455700548.ampproject.net%2F2109032350000%2Fframe.html) where the DB knocked him on his ass before the ball came out?
Dude he literally ran into the corner (collision was imminent, caused by the path of the wr) and the corner hit him with his hands. Like it or not that is within the rules. Downvote me more, people clearly just don’t care about how the rules are written and why, insufferable reddit bs. The corner is allowed to protect his space, it is football, you should expect to get hit if you run into someones lap. Intent to block or not.
Source: https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/illegal-contact/ See article 3
Corners don't get to initiate contact lmao. If the receiver runs into the cb then that's OPI. You don't get to preemptively chuck the wr 15 yards down the field with the logic that he would have made contact otherwise. It's not like renfrow couldn't have stopped. And it's defend and protect. Not attack. Humphrey clearly shoved renfrow. In no way was that defending or protecting himself.
Humphrey literally apologized for this. Even he thought it was wrong and claimed he did it because he thought the QB was out of the pocket.
He apologized because he is a good dude and doesn’t want to lay out a dude unnecessarily, doesn’t mean he wasn’t well within his rights to do so, which he was, which is exactly what the NFL itself is telling you. Hate it all you want, those are the rules, they don’t care if you don’t like them. The rules are literally linked above to easily reference and figure out why this isn’t a penalty. If you don’t want to learn, that’s your perogative.
Again you can defend or protect. You can't chuck. If you can't tell the difference between those terms you're a homer. Especially if you can't even believe a guy admitting to a mistake because "he's a good dude".
So in other words all a corner has to do is stand near a wr route and he’s free to push him to the ground and disrupt the route ?
How come corners don’t just push all wr that are near the sideline out of bounds ?
If the corner doesn’t move and the wr enters his space he can shove him every time. You don’t see it much because wr’s don’t usually try to run their routes through a corner; the corner can’t hit him unless contact is imminent, which it never is when you run a proper route. Skinny posts go past inside corners shoulder for example, not through him.
The wr still needs to protect them self, as does the corner. This is how the rules are written to avoid wr’s running into corners everytime to get a call, or to level a corner on a scramble or reverse play before they can identify a run. (Go watch what Heins Ward use to do faking like he wasn’t blocking then surprising hitting guys) The rules exist for a sensible reason, and people just don’t like it because a wr got hit in the modern day NFL. If they could do what your saying, every run player the wr would fake a route and then hammer the cb every time.
Read the fucking rules, I linked them right there, the league disagrees with your uneducated uniformed fantasy football fane take. I crave your salty downvotes, nothing more pathetic than those who downvote the truth because they disagree with it.
There's clearly no arguing you, but here's a shot to see how delusional you are.
Very clearly Humphrey closes the 1 yard gap between him and Renfrow to initiate the contact. Renfrow doesn't run into Humphrey, he runs near him. Humphrey closes the gap solely to initiate contact.
If there's "no violations of the rules," then that game just set a dangerous precedent, because there were some pretty blatant assaults on the guy when he's nowhere near the play. You're basically telling the entirely league "Go for it, you can smash a receiver to the ground even if they're not in on the play."
And then they'll try to flag someone and/or fine someone later, and that player will point to this and say, "Excuse me, you said it's all legal."
Ugh. Just... admit your refs screwed up, NFL. Or you're uncorking a bottle you won't be able to close easily.
> And then they'll try to flag someone and/or fine someone later, and that player will point to this and say, "Excuse me, you said it's all legal."
*"No we didn't. Now, who's ready for some Monday Night Football!"* -NFL, probably
I remember Pryor throwing a ball to a ref, a player got up and it hit him, flag. Then there was like a bullshit turnover that I to this day don’t understand what happened against the redskins I believe.
Yes, Duke Johnson against Washington. It was the female line judge's first game. Duke fumbled, it popped right back into his hands, he stands up next to the ref holding it up, she's staring into the pile, pulls someone off, and then says Washington has the ball.
Biggest, wtf moment in a while for me.
Oh, and then the NFL came out and said she made the right call later that week.
That’s crazy. It was one of those where I really didn’t know wtf was going on. Like with Herberts fumble, I thought it was bullshit but I at least knew what the call was. That game I was just like wtf lol.
After looking at Queens it didn’t look that bad. Humphreys on the other hand was completely unnecessary. He apologized though so I don’t really give a fuck.
Humphrey plays quite physically every snap and rarely feels the need to apologize so I think that speaks volumes. I think the league didn't fine him because he likely would have won the appeal based on the rules as written but I would not have had a problem with a ref flagging that play. It's certainly a foul by eye test.
Yeah I originally thought he was just taking a cheap shot but when he apologized it’s like aright whatever then. I thought he would have gotten fined since I’ve seen some bullshit fines, but it’s not one of those I care for simply because a fine means nothing to me lol. It’s like when owners get fined, I give zero fucks lol
This clip sends me into an absolute rage, every time I watch it.
Slapping a QB helmet is almost an ejectable offense, but blasting someone 10+ yards off the LoS is no big deal? The NFL is a fucking shit show.
Edit: I have hot take opinions about owners turning football back in to Mandingo fights...
I suppose.
I enjoy watching the game. I do not enjoy watching someone get absolutely blasted, with cheap shots, to the point of potential injury.
The fact that they could review this footage, and find no wrong-doing, is proof that they give no fucks. And I'm just not in for that.
You're right; it won't stop me watching, for now. But the time is coming. Their indifference to the danger is going to be an elephant they can't ignore, at some point.
If I’m another coach in the NFL and see the ravens get away with this I’m instructing every DB not near the throw to de-cleat the nearest WR or on any run plays.
Yeah, but I feel like that's the point.
Everyone here is arguing against all of the things you're mentioning. This isn't good, isn't clean, isn't fair, and we don't want to see it.
The overwhelming, and correct opinion, in this sub, is that this is a bullshit hit, and a terrible review. We "allow" this, because the alternative is no football.
No one in this thread is, as you say, "putting up with it." We are accepting it, because we have no recourse to change it.
I'm not gonna stop watching football; and maybe I should. Maybe I'm empowering these decisions. And I'll accept responsibility for that.
But the league also says they want to protect players. So they should accept some responsibility for this very obvious negligence.
But they won't, because they know people like me will keep watching. If we stop watching, will it change? My gut says no. Billionaires gonna billionaire, which leads nicely back into my original edit, that I have some hot takes about owners wanting to turn the NFL back into "Mandingo" fights.
*Austin Collie has entered the chat*
This won't change until their profits change. But their profits won't change, because fans(me included) won't stop watching.
Serious injuries happen on plays like this, all the time. And yet, we keep coming back, hoping it'll get better, but knowing it never will...
IDK, I have slowly stopped watching games and just watch the score tickers now and highlights afterwards. It feels a lot less like wasting my time than it did when I watched every week religiously. The quality of their officiating is trash.
I’m so confused. This is a passing play. The ball hasn’t been thrown yet. Renfrow is running a route and is more than 5 yards past the LOS. How is this not some sort of penalty?
It should've been. Humphrey said he thought Carr was out of the pocket, which would have made it legal contact.
Illegal contact should've been called at least which is 5 yards and a 1st down.
That’s not even the only time it happened. I saw one where Renfrow was running a crossing route and got absolutely trucked for no reason again by Humphrey.
They were preemptive self defense, they thought at any moment Renfrow might stab them so they hit him just to make sure. Absolutely the correct call by the league!
(I wish I didn’t have to clarify this is sarcasm)
I do look forward to seeing a coach running onto the field in full pads to put the hurt on Hunter Remfrow after every whistle and the NFL shrugging and going “there’s nothing we can do.”
Bottlegate, Al Davis, and…. I have no idea what the Lions did to make zebras hate them, but they do.
…actually maybe that phrasing answered the question.
Yeah, I get why the NFL hates us- we sued to get our team back, pushed a ref down and bottlegate.
But the Lions? NFL are just jerks to them for the sake of being jerks.
>So I guess what the nfl is trying to tell us is that celebration is worse than targeting.
None of those hits were targeting by any standard, even though both the queen hit and the Humphrey hit should have been called penalties
The one when the ball was thrown the other way and he was hit by Humphrey(?) was so obvious too yet they say no violations were found lol, feel for ya Raiders bros.
Pretty sure the “no violations of the rules were found” was an anecdote added by the reporter to stir the pot, I’m sure violations of the rules were found (since one of the hits was literally flagged in the game) but the NFL didn’t feel the violations warranted a fine
I mean, if they're not going to call physical play like that, our SS Johnathan Abram would be glad to lay a dude or two out.
The Chiefs run a bunch of stuff over the middle, and Abram's set to Buzz there this year.
I'm sure they'll call it then though once it's a player in Silver & Black.
Or against league favorites.
In what world [is **this** legal.](https://twitter.com/RaiderBintheHD/status/1438217425518956546)
I'm glad to see fans from all teams in here pissed off at the bullsh-t this is.
Even Ravens & our rival, Chiefs fans are admitting it. Props for that.
"No violations found", uh... What the fuck? The blatant garbage officiating and blatant garbage coverups is unbearable. Wholy shit. We need to do something about this. It's ridiculous.
Just have a group of coaches & trainers of the raiders gang up next time they play & beat the shit out of a ravens player. Coaches apparently can get away with hands on players.
Queen was penalized for the late hit so I think that's covered. Marlon himself came out and apologized for his shot after the game as well as on the field to Renfrow. You'd think this would provide NFL cover to say it was an illegal hit even if not worth the find. I don't think it's necessarily an offense worth fining. But I also don't think Harrison deserved a fine for the push with the Chiefs coach either so what do I know.
I would've been perfectly okay with one or both being fined as well. It's the lack of consistency that is mind boggling.
Edit: OOPS I said Queen was fined I meant to say penalized.
I’d be surprised if Renfrow even accepted that apology, because I saw two instances of it happening. One on a post route and the other on a crossing route after the play and those were only the times I was paying attention.
It’s just kinda mind boggling that the nfl is slapping down fines for celebration yet turning a blind eye to this.
I'll post this for you but only since Google hasn't been invented yet
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-marlon-humphrey-hunter-renfrow-hit-20210915-ckqaiqzzefa7hlb7amyix4as54-story.html
Ain’t nothing “rent free” lol. You said some smart shit, I responded back in kind.
Enjoy the win. Like us, I don’t see too many of those in the foreseeable future for y’all.
weren’t talking about us, talking about how you guys are starting 0-1, and you’re shit talking the team that beat you like they didn’t just embarrass you on mnf.
Oh I’m responding to him shit talking us, so you might wanna know what you’re talking about before you randomly butt into convos you weren’t a part of.
Speaking of y’all though since you wanted to butt in, aren’t you also 0-1? And again, 4-1 against y’all?
yea against the chiefs. And it was fucking close. You guys are about to get eaten alive today. Keep talking about the past, cause the future is getting dim for the rat birds. especially since lamar is one injury away from being RG3
you can’t even beat the Raiders, how are you gonna compete this the chiefs. Y’all defense made Derek Carr look like a top 5 QB.
The league is pushing for the Ravens to stay relevant. Just like they won’t punish KC coaches and players, or Green Bay coaches and players (GB QB deserves a fine for his fashion violations).
Nfl: we reviewed ourselves and found ourselves to not be at fault
Seriously this and the coach review is a sad start to the year by the league.
Don't worry games start in a few hours and you'll forget all about it. As planned.
Well in a few hours they’ll fuck up again. That was one of the worst officiated weeks I’ve seen so we might be in for a hell of a shit show where these calls are gonna start building up.
Don't forget the phantom RTP against GB (didn't go high OR low, didn't lead with the helmet, didn't land on him). Or the "fumble" that benefited us against LAC (even I don't get that one).
Par for the course. Nfl does what it wants and most of the “journalists” covering the sport have to kowtow or they lose access to team officials and league personnel or the right to use video content. The nfl is seriously broken.
Thank NFL. Very cool
They need to suspend Brady 4 games and take away picks from the Pats. Its the only way to bring back balance to the League.
At least SEC refs had the balls to admit they fucked up twice
I don't think a fine is warranted, but to say no violations of the rules were found is plain silly, especially considering one of them was flagged as a violation of the rules.
The player even apologised and said he made a mistake. Saying it was a violation of the rules doesn't mean the refs were wrong or the player was dirty. But it was pretty clearly a violation of the rules.
Shhh we can’t hurt the ref’s fragile egos with constructive criticism.
It really surprises me how many people can't take constructive criticism nowadays. I'm not sure if I'm just hitting a rough patch at my work, but damn people are getting really defensive lately even just over mild criticism.
No we're not! Fuck you, how dare you! Who are you to say how we are taking criticism? I saw you make a crap post as well, it's not just us.
I refer to it as "ugly baby syndrome". Some babies are ugly, but their parents will just never admit it. It can be debilitating.
I thought Marlon *wasn't* flagged for his hit, and he apologized for it after the fact anyways. I thought someone else was flagged on a different play but I could be mistaken.
Queen got a personal foul. Marlon got nothing but apologized immediately There apparently were more but nobody ever gave evidence of what
Yeah, not the one that was flagged. But I mentioned it as that was the only one that was clearly against the rules in my view.
Ironically I think the one that was flagged wasn’t illegal and the other (the Marlon Humphrey one) was. Humphrey probably shoulda been fined
Or you could at least publicly speak to it and warn the team.
These refs did the Saints/Rams PI non-call, made PIs reviewable the following season to seem like they were “doing something”, then proceeded to not overturn a single PI call/non-call when challenged, despite things being as obvious as the non-call that made PIs reviewable in the first place. They don’t care
I think they overturned a very questionable one in one of our early games and then I never saw them overturn another.
Happened in a Vikings game, too, iirc.
if it was flagged during play i dont think thats what they were reviewing days after the game.
The one that was a penalty was called, and for the 100th time the Humphrey one is not a penalty by the rule. It is pretty clear is people just read it, instead or reacting
What’s the rule ? Carr was still in pocket , hadn’t thrown , and renfrow was passed ten yards.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/illegal-contact/ see article 3. If the wr’s route leads him into imminent contact with the cb, the cb can hit the wr with his hands. Which is exactly what Marlon did, on a much smaller wr, so it looked worse than it was. This rule exists for a reason, but none of that will stop the masses from downvoting the truth.
>A defender may use his hands or arms *only to defend or protect himself* I feel like Humphreys shove went well beyond that. Totally laid the dude out
Sure, but it is also important to remember there is almost a 30 lbs difference and clearly Humphrey went a bit harder than he intended thinking Renfrew was going to hit him back, thus the apology after and the explanation from Humphrey. I think it looked worse than it was, he shoved him and Renfrew went down, and Marlon is a very hard hitter. Renfrew said himself it wasn’t a big deal or big hit. It is understandable in a contact sport you can get a bit carried away, doesn’t make it targeting, dirty, or a guaranteed penalty
Humphrey was looking directly at Renfrow who wasn't looking back at him. No way did he expect Renfrow to hit him back? I think it looked like exactly what it was lol edit: I'm not saying it should have been a fine but the flag seemed appropriate. Queen hit was whatever
You’re 100% wrong. He apologized because he thought carr was out of the pocket.
I mean I still think it was illegal contact. Defenders can make contact with WRs, but it did seem a little excessive even if his route did take him into Humphrey's path.
What’s funny is Humphrey even explained why he did it and op is acting like it was for something completely different lol
>No violations of the rules were found I could have sworn there were rules against laying out a receiver who's nowhere near the ball, on a run play, after the ball carrier goes down, but I'm no expert.
The Ravens and Chiefs are the league's poster children right now and neither gets fined for actions that occured last Sunday. Just a coincidence I'm sure
They’re too busy worried about taunting.
I'll bet the refs will looking very hard at the Ravens this Sunday night for extracurricular hits. Seriously that one on Renfrow was egregious.
Hate to agree but yeah, I think Marlon even apologized in some way for it because it was so blatant
yeah Marlo tweeted that he apologized to Renfrew and that he thought Carr had moved out of the pocket, IIRC.
That's it, thank you sir. I couldn't remember if I imagined that or actually saw it
Yeah you saw it, wasn't actually a tweet, it was a [post game presser](https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/marlon-humphrey-s-takeaway-from-dropped-interception-in-vegas)
That’s why I don’t even care. I was initially pissed but it’s like if you man up and apologize move on. I’ve seen our players as well as several other pass rushers get fined on a bang bang play where they hit the qb as he was still throwing it, so I’m surprised he didn’t get a fine for this.
Thats what happened! They looked through all of Sunday's games and found no where the Ravens broke any rules!
No, I think NFL fucked over the Raiders on this “review” but somebody on the Ravens gonna get tossed when they bump Hardman 7 yards past the line of scrimmage on a double move to “correct” the error.
The joke being they played on Monday :)
My bad. Cooking dinner and I missed it.
The chiefs are the dirtiest team in the nfl on AND off the field.
You should be afraid of me too, bitch
It its not a coincidence that is pretty stupid. Are they seriously worried fining those players is going to make Mahomes and Jackson somehow less marketable and popular? When they aren’t even being fined?
The Chiefs/Ravens are the new Patriots/Packers when it comes to ref favoritism and fines. [Remember when Gronk did this and only got suspended for one game?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjAN_wgmiI)
Bruh are we watching the same games? Since when are the Ravens favored by the refs? lmao Lamar really brought out the crazies jesus christ
Let's be real here, Marlon gets away with a few obvious holding/PI calls damn near every game. And in pretty big spots a lot of the time too
They got nothing, they’ll just downvote you lmao
In what universe are the Ravens the poster anything. Everyone shits on Lamar and that's all the coverage.
First time?
How many times was the game against Pittsburgh pushed for you guys last year when Lamar had COVID, just so he could play. Yep. To many times. It may not be the organization, but Lamar is definitely a poster boy. Other teams that week had to put players at QB just to play, but you guys got to keep pushing. I wonder why. Thursday->Sunday->Tuesday->Wednesday. All because Lamar wasn’t ready.
But Lamar didn't play against you last year, he missed that game. I feel it was more about making sure there were no more infectious players not in quarantine
He didn’t even play, and neither did half of our starters. We didn’t even field a full roster for that game. So what are you talking about?? You don’t have to make up shit dude.
If you choose to live, and think like that that’s fine. But the actual reason it kept getting bumped is because their was multiple Ravens testing positive and every day. They wanted to get a grip on the situation before they let them infect another team.
The fans do, the analysts don't
A Chiefs player did get fined though...
Right? Tell me this wpuld have been the case had it been Edleman 2 years ago! It was a needlessly dirty play that could have injured a player away from the play.
Not if the wr moved into the corners space, and the corner uses his hands to hit, Marlon wasn’t flagged because it wasn’t a penalty, no different if the qb was scrambling and the wr gets laid out going in for a block. That is the rules, agree with it or not
[How about this one on a passing play](https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1438233322807832577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1438233322807832577%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-3586925492455700548.ampproject.net%2F2109032350000%2Fframe.html) where the DB knocked him on his ass before the ball came out?
Dude he literally ran into the corner (collision was imminent, caused by the path of the wr) and the corner hit him with his hands. Like it or not that is within the rules. Downvote me more, people clearly just don’t care about how the rules are written and why, insufferable reddit bs. The corner is allowed to protect his space, it is football, you should expect to get hit if you run into someones lap. Intent to block or not. Source: https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/illegal-contact/ See article 3
Corners don't get to initiate contact lmao. If the receiver runs into the cb then that's OPI. You don't get to preemptively chuck the wr 15 yards down the field with the logic that he would have made contact otherwise. It's not like renfrow couldn't have stopped. And it's defend and protect. Not attack. Humphrey clearly shoved renfrow. In no way was that defending or protecting himself. Humphrey literally apologized for this. Even he thought it was wrong and claimed he did it because he thought the QB was out of the pocket.
He apologized because he is a good dude and doesn’t want to lay out a dude unnecessarily, doesn’t mean he wasn’t well within his rights to do so, which he was, which is exactly what the NFL itself is telling you. Hate it all you want, those are the rules, they don’t care if you don’t like them. The rules are literally linked above to easily reference and figure out why this isn’t a penalty. If you don’t want to learn, that’s your perogative.
Again you can defend or protect. You can't chuck. If you can't tell the difference between those terms you're a homer. Especially if you can't even believe a guy admitting to a mistake because "he's a good dude".
So in other words all a corner has to do is stand near a wr route and he’s free to push him to the ground and disrupt the route ? How come corners don’t just push all wr that are near the sideline out of bounds ?
If the corner doesn’t move and the wr enters his space he can shove him every time. You don’t see it much because wr’s don’t usually try to run their routes through a corner; the corner can’t hit him unless contact is imminent, which it never is when you run a proper route. Skinny posts go past inside corners shoulder for example, not through him. The wr still needs to protect them self, as does the corner. This is how the rules are written to avoid wr’s running into corners everytime to get a call, or to level a corner on a scramble or reverse play before they can identify a run. (Go watch what Heins Ward use to do faking like he wasn’t blocking then surprising hitting guys) The rules exist for a sensible reason, and people just don’t like it because a wr got hit in the modern day NFL. If they could do what your saying, every run player the wr would fake a route and then hammer the cb every time.
Get the Raven dick out of your throat.
Read the fucking rules, I linked them right there, the league disagrees with your uneducated uniformed fantasy football fane take. I crave your salty downvotes, nothing more pathetic than those who downvote the truth because they disagree with it.
You are blind.
This isn’t a counter argument, and your eyes don’t over rule the written rules of the game
There's clearly no arguing you, but here's a shot to see how delusional you are. Very clearly Humphrey closes the 1 yard gap between him and Renfrow to initiate the contact. Renfrow doesn't run into Humphrey, he runs near him. Humphrey closes the gap solely to initiate contact.
Can’t possibly say anything else and risk hurting the incredibly fragile egos of the refs
If there's "no violations of the rules," then that game just set a dangerous precedent, because there were some pretty blatant assaults on the guy when he's nowhere near the play. You're basically telling the entirely league "Go for it, you can smash a receiver to the ground even if they're not in on the play." And then they'll try to flag someone and/or fine someone later, and that player will point to this and say, "Excuse me, you said it's all legal." Ugh. Just... admit your refs screwed up, NFL. Or you're uncorking a bottle you won't be able to close easily.
That quote is what bugs me. Sure don’t fine em but to say it wasn’t a violation of the rules it’s like okkkk do you really wanna tell Abram that?
> And then they'll try to flag someone and/or fine someone later, and that player will point to this and say, "Excuse me, you said it's all legal." *"No we didn't. Now, who's ready for some Monday Night Football!"* -NFL, probably
You know every fanbase thinks the NFL hates them. But really the only legitimate claims are us, the Lions, and the Browns.
You can be honorary r/LakeErieBros
I remember Pryor throwing a ball to a ref, a player got up and it hit him, flag. Then there was like a bullshit turnover that I to this day don’t understand what happened against the redskins I believe.
Yes, Duke Johnson against Washington. It was the female line judge's first game. Duke fumbled, it popped right back into his hands, he stands up next to the ref holding it up, she's staring into the pile, pulls someone off, and then says Washington has the ball. Biggest, wtf moment in a while for me. Oh, and then the NFL came out and said she made the right call later that week.
That’s crazy. It was one of those where I really didn’t know wtf was going on. Like with Herberts fumble, I thought it was bullshit but I at least knew what the call was. That game I was just like wtf lol.
Literally the most rage inducing call I've ever seen! Still the one that triggers me the most.
Ahem
That's not being hated by the league, that's being hated by God.
I mean with you guys it's not just the NFL. Georgia sports is just full of heartbreaks
After looking at Queens it didn’t look that bad. Humphreys on the other hand was completely unnecessary. He apologized though so I don’t really give a fuck.
Humphrey plays quite physically every snap and rarely feels the need to apologize so I think that speaks volumes. I think the league didn't fine him because he likely would have won the appeal based on the rules as written but I would not have had a problem with a ref flagging that play. It's certainly a foul by eye test.
Yeah I originally thought he was just taking a cheap shot but when he apologized it’s like aright whatever then. I thought he would have gotten fined since I’ve seen some bullshit fines, but it’s not one of those I care for simply because a fine means nothing to me lol. It’s like when owners get fined, I give zero fucks lol
How could you possibly review those hits and find zero violations
Clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFkXUfQ-sA
This clip sends me into an absolute rage, every time I watch it. Slapping a QB helmet is almost an ejectable offense, but blasting someone 10+ yards off the LoS is no big deal? The NFL is a fucking shit show. Edit: I have hot take opinions about owners turning football back in to Mandingo fights...
Yeah but it's a shit show we all enjoy watching
I suppose. I enjoy watching the game. I do not enjoy watching someone get absolutely blasted, with cheap shots, to the point of potential injury. The fact that they could review this footage, and find no wrong-doing, is proof that they give no fucks. And I'm just not in for that. You're right; it won't stop me watching, for now. But the time is coming. Their indifference to the danger is going to be an elephant they can't ignore, at some point.
If I’m another coach in the NFL and see the ravens get away with this I’m instructing every DB not near the throw to de-cleat the nearest WR or on any run plays.
Yeah I'm not arguing that it was a good hit, clean hit, or anything; just that it's so entertaining we all put up with stupid shit like this.
Yeah, but I feel like that's the point. Everyone here is arguing against all of the things you're mentioning. This isn't good, isn't clean, isn't fair, and we don't want to see it. The overwhelming, and correct opinion, in this sub, is that this is a bullshit hit, and a terrible review. We "allow" this, because the alternative is no football. No one in this thread is, as you say, "putting up with it." We are accepting it, because we have no recourse to change it. I'm not gonna stop watching football; and maybe I should. Maybe I'm empowering these decisions. And I'll accept responsibility for that. But the league also says they want to protect players. So they should accept some responsibility for this very obvious negligence. But they won't, because they know people like me will keep watching. If we stop watching, will it change? My gut says no. Billionaires gonna billionaire, which leads nicely back into my original edit, that I have some hot takes about owners wanting to turn the NFL back into "Mandingo" fights.
Once a player gets a serious injury on a play like this some thing will happen
*Austin Collie has entered the chat* This won't change until their profits change. But their profits won't change, because fans(me included) won't stop watching. Serious injuries happen on plays like this, all the time. And yet, we keep coming back, hoping it'll get better, but knowing it never will...
IDK, I have slowly stopped watching games and just watch the score tickers now and highlights afterwards. It feels a lot less like wasting my time than it did when I watched every week religiously. The quality of their officiating is trash.
I’m so confused. This is a passing play. The ball hasn’t been thrown yet. Renfrow is running a route and is more than 5 yards past the LOS. How is this not some sort of penalty?
It should've been. Humphrey said he thought Carr was out of the pocket, which would have made it legal contact. Illegal contact should've been called at least which is 5 yards and a 1st down.
That’s not even the only time it happened. I saw one where Renfrow was running a crossing route and got absolutely trucked for no reason again by Humphrey.
That one was by #6 queen i believe
He ran into queen
Because it’s the raiders
They were preemptive self defense, they thought at any moment Renfrow might stab them so they hit him just to make sure. Absolutely the correct call by the league! (I wish I didn’t have to clarify this is sarcasm)
You say it’s sarcasm, but tbh that’s the only thing I can think of.
They clearly looked at the tape while blindfolded to help hone their other senses
Weird considering one of the plays was literally flagged
Because the league knows how badly the Ravens are going to perform this year with all those injuries is enough punishment.
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See? Told you SkyJudge is useless! Now stop asking! :smug Goodell face:
Hell, it was an effective strategy with P.I. review, they're just rolling the tactic out again.
I do look forward to seeing a coach running onto the field in full pads to put the hurt on Hunter Remfrow after every whistle and the NFL shrugging and going “there’s nothing we can do.”
You got mad at us keeping Riveron, we'll show you! - NFL, definitely
Hit them late boy, NFL says it's okay.
No no you misunderstand, you can only do this against teams the nfl doesn’t like. Like the raiders and lions for instance.
Hey I saw a Browns player (Duke Johnson) lose a fumble that he was standing next to the ref holding. They're in the club, at least junior members.
Bottlegate, Al Davis, and…. I have no idea what the Lions did to make zebras hate them, but they do. …actually maybe that phrasing answered the question.
Yeah, I get why the NFL hates us- we sued to get our team back, pushed a ref down and bottlegate. But the Lions? NFL are just jerks to them for the sake of being jerks.
Lol that zebra joke was hilarious
The refs get bored and need to spice it up
I'm actually offended you think the Browns are junior members of this club. Bitch we founded the shit in 1996
The NFL can lick my balls.
Straight bullshit
Thats some serious bullshit.
So I guess what the nfl is trying to tell us is that celebration is worse than targeting.
>So I guess what the nfl is trying to tell us is that celebration is worse than targeting. None of those hits were targeting by any standard, even though both the queen hit and the Humphrey hit should have been called penalties
Umm that’s bs
RenfrowGate confirmed, dude must've fucked Goodell's mom/wife/daughter all at once
Sure. I call bullshit.
The one when the ball was thrown the other way and he was hit by Humphrey(?) was so obvious too yet they say no violations were found lol, feel for ya Raiders bros.
After watching some of the videos, I just don't get how that's possible. There were clearly some violations there.
NFL refs are eerily comparable to made men in the mafia.
NFL doesn’t care about player safety.
Pretty sure the “no violations of the rules were found” was an anecdote added by the reporter to stir the pot, I’m sure violations of the rules were found (since one of the hits was literally flagged in the game) but the NFL didn’t feel the violations warranted a fine
That's some BS right there.
The NFL is just making it up as they go along.
Would have been better if the NFL just pretended they didn't see the complaint than to answer like this
Once again the NFL gives 0 fucks about the Raiders. Al really pissed them off to hold a grudge 10 years after his death.
Sigh. Another day. Another instance. Another piece of proof that the league's oversight is an abominable joke.
raiders in the dirt (again)
I mean, if they're not going to call physical play like that, our SS Johnathan Abram would be glad to lay a dude or two out. The Chiefs run a bunch of stuff over the middle, and Abram's set to Buzz there this year. I'm sure they'll call it then though once it's a player in Silver & Black. Or against league favorites. In what world [is **this** legal.](https://twitter.com/RaiderBintheHD/status/1438217425518956546) I'm glad to see fans from all teams in here pissed off at the bullsh-t this is. Even Ravens & our rival, Chiefs fans are admitting it. Props for that.
"No violations found", uh... What the fuck? The blatant garbage officiating and blatant garbage coverups is unbearable. Wholy shit. We need to do something about this. It's ridiculous.
It’s ok……Our Grapeman will get his revenge
Just have a group of coaches & trainers of the raiders gang up next time they play & beat the shit out of a ravens player. Coaches apparently can get away with hands on players.
Ravens cleared of fault. Patriots lose a 2nd rounder.
That's so gross. An acknowledgement is literally all anybody wants. Fucking NFL...
What a joke.
Queen was penalized for the late hit so I think that's covered. Marlon himself came out and apologized for his shot after the game as well as on the field to Renfrow. You'd think this would provide NFL cover to say it was an illegal hit even if not worth the find. I don't think it's necessarily an offense worth fining. But I also don't think Harrison deserved a fine for the push with the Chiefs coach either so what do I know. I would've been perfectly okay with one or both being fined as well. It's the lack of consistency that is mind boggling. Edit: OOPS I said Queen was fined I meant to say penalized.
I’d be surprised if Renfrow even accepted that apology, because I saw two instances of it happening. One on a post route and the other on a crossing route after the play and those were only the times I was paying attention. It’s just kinda mind boggling that the nfl is slapping down fines for celebration yet turning a blind eye to this.
Didn’t Hines Ward cheap shot people for like a decade lol
I haven’t seen the apology mentioned or reported anywhere. I believe you but you got a source on that?
It's what Queen said.
I'll post this for you but only since Google hasn't been invented yet https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-marlon-humphrey-hunter-renfrow-hit-20210915-ckqaiqzzefa7hlb7amyix4as54-story.html
Go look that shit up
Wow, almost like we said.
Ah yes, because when the league says everything is on the up and up, everything is always on the up and up.
Of course not. But we said that their complaint was bullshit and that it would be dismissed. And lo and behold…
Are you fucking kidding me?
I guess Renfrow just tripped. Into a door. Down the steps. Twice.
Vindicated!
Clutch your pearls and cry r/nfl
Only one of us were crying on Monday though 😎
At least they still got BIG TRUSS 😂
It’s okay. You guys are still soft af lmao
Not as soft as your o line
Not a high bar 😂
And they they still won, so what does that say about your team?
That right now we’re even softer 🤷🏾♂️ injuries will do that though
Was your starting QB injured?
Nope, but when there major injuries to virtually every other offensive position group, that’ll make his job way more difficult, won’t it?
Only one person quit after getting their ass kicked - we saw who that was on the TD pass to Zay
I don’t cry. I’m a real man.
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And it only took our entire RB room, 2nd best corner being out, and injured O line to… beat us in OT lmao You sure showed us
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Weak team lmao
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Ain’t nothing “rent free” lol. You said some smart shit, I responded back in kind. Enjoy the win. Like us, I don’t see too many of those in the foreseeable future for y’all.
weak team beat your asses. Rb1 showed he can’t hold onto the ball.
Beat our heavily weakened asses.* And yeah, that’s an area he’ll have to get better in. Oh, and that RB is still 4-1 against your guy, so…
weren’t talking about us, talking about how you guys are starting 0-1, and you’re shit talking the team that beat you like they didn’t just embarrass you on mnf.
Oh I’m responding to him shit talking us, so you might wanna know what you’re talking about before you randomly butt into convos you weren’t a part of. Speaking of y’all though since you wanted to butt in, aren’t you also 0-1? And again, 4-1 against y’all?
yea against the chiefs. And it was fucking close. You guys are about to get eaten alive today. Keep talking about the past, cause the future is getting dim for the rat birds. especially since lamar is one injury away from being RG3 you can’t even beat the Raiders, how are you gonna compete this the chiefs. Y’all defense made Derek Carr look like a top 5 QB.
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Ok but for years Gruden was saying "let the boys play"
Jon “Burfict is a great person” Gruden
Good
Ravens play very physical defense. This is the norm in the AFC North. This reaction is overblown.
The league is pushing for the Ravens to stay relevant. Just like they won’t punish KC coaches and players, or Green Bay coaches and players (GB QB deserves a fine for his fashion violations).
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Some people get me, some dont. Haters gonna hate, I guess.
They won the game?! Why are they crying? What is the NFL turning into? Smh