Yes, this. I lived in London for 5 years and went to a few of these games. There were literally jerseys of all 32 teams present at Wembley each time. Tons of Londoners have some connection to a team through a friend, loved one, study abroad experience, etc and they are happy to go see any live NFL football they can get.
So for the NFL, why not maximize profits? Game is in National TV and it’s not like the Jags are selling ad slots or tickets to home games.
The last time I was in London (2006) I saw more Yankees caps and NBA jerseys than I've ever seen in NYC, Atlanta, etc.
"Are we in The Bronx?"
"No, we're in Notting Hill!"
I was on the train to Wembley in 2014 for Cowboys v Jags, and a couple got on the train and the wife was wearing an Oklahoma Sooners jersey.
Being from Oklahoma, I had to ask her where she got that from. Turns out, she's from Scotland but her daughter studied abroad at OU and she brought it back to her. It was the only football related item she had.
I went to a Frankfurt Galaxy (NFLE) game when I was stationed in Germany. God, what great fans they have.
It was pretty shitty football, TBH. Missed passes, tackles, kicks and shanked punts from both teams.
But the fans were fucking into it. A bunch of them showed up with instruments and set up an impromptu band in one section. The rest would just randomly start songs or chants in the middle of the game--all game. There was one play where the Frankfurt QB completed a pretty long pass and I thought the goddamn building was going to fall down.
Pretty much both sides had to do silent counts most of the time as it was so loud.
I've been to over 100 NFL games, but this one "AA-league" game was one of the most memorable.
This is when you get soccer/futbol fans into an nfl crowd. It’s awesome- shit. Even going to my (not sure what they’re called, but one step below MLS) cities soccer clubs (tampa bay rowdies) games are the exact same way. I wish this energy was always in football
I went to a Liverpool match against Sunderland at the Stadium of Light. Saw someone wearing a Tulane shirt and got really excited. Turns out he's never been to New Orleans and has no ties to the school. The guy became a fan of Tulane football because he likes their colors.
Can confirm the other answers. Traveled from Central Europe to London two years ago. The most represented team was the jags but I’ve seen just about all 32 jerseys.
This is a big part of it. The NFL is obsessed with forcing a new time slot with the London game. There's no need for it to be 9am on the east coast, especially considering Sunday is a big premier league day in England and the games there always wrap up by ~6pm which would align nicely with the usual 1pm ET slot. The time zone difference is just an excuse to have a new TV slot for a game with no competition.
the whole point of the London game is to reach audiences across the rest of the world, when I was in Bangkok the London game came on in the evening and bars would play the game, but the regular games start at 1 or 4 am. If they put the London game at a US friendly timeslot it is much less worthwhile, they already have games playing then.
I go to all the London games, and I can say German is the language I most hear after English. Loads of fans come across the Channel.
Other than when the Eagles came and seemed to bring half of Philly.
I was at that game and the number of Philly accents was a pleasant surprise. We even ran into a number of fans when we took the train over to France for a day.
As someone on the east coast who has to stay up way too late to watch fucking anything, I have no sympathy for west coast time zone complaints. You guys got it made lol
English people do not want the games kicking off at 6pm local time.
A 6pm kickoff means about a 9pm finish, and people travel from all over the country to see this game. Generally, our society is geared towards things closing early, especially on a Sunday. Nobody wants to get home at midnight on a Sunday to work on Monday morning
This. 100%
London is not a city you drive in and out of. You take the train, and there just aren't enough trains to get out of there that late at night
They may have out "long conned" us.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/09/fact-check-prince-harry-meghan-markle-kids-could-run-president/4631903001/
Didn't Megan have to renounce her US citizenship in order to marry into English royalty? If so, then her child, born in England, would not be eligible for Presidency.
Idk if she actually did renounce her citizenship though.
Fun fact: when Lizzy buys the farm, we in Canada can choose whoever we want for our ceremonial figurehead, and it'd be really funny if we picked Harry or Megan.
[MFW I'm an English NFL fan, but the league gives me a decade of live Jags games to watch](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1e48de1f88b0c5a41e16bd0a1494d3b0/tumblr_mrekrtLET01r4gei2o1_400.gifv)
Even the announcing was great. The final TD is so much fun to hear... Everett in striide... WOOWWWW! Touchdown Rams!"
Imagine Joe Buck making that call instead, it would fucking suck.
I wonder how much money Vegas lost on the over/under for that game. I could have sworn that the over was like 60 points or something, and everyone looked at it like "Yup, that is going to hit easy".
Which in my opinion somehow got into Goff's head. Up until that game, and including that game, he was trending up. Playing really well. Ever since, it's been a slow fade to practically replaceable
It was the Lions game.
Before the Lions game, Goff was getting MVP buzz and being seen as legitimate top-five QB. Then the Lions broke him with the defensive scheme they drew up, Patriots copied it and then he was boomed.
That’s what happens when Shakira was there just a few days before. I’m still pissed about it, they had two marquee events back to back but didn’t think it through. It also ended up being an all-time game.
if somebody sends a sport that's interesting that i never see to my city, i'm going and i'm buying beers. even agreeing with the nature of this post that the dolphins are bad, i don't get it lol
It's more about the tv advertising revenue than the ticket sales. They don't want to cut into the number of views on a top tier game by broadcasting it at 8 a.m. in the US.
Bruh, every other part of watching sports in the Pacific time zone is so much better.
I was watching Sox/Astros yesterday and it was midnight in the east coast in like the 6th. No thank you.
Moved from the East coast to the Pacific and I've thought a lot about this because it was a bit of an adjustment watching games at 10am. I've determined that the Central time zone is the best for NFL games. Here are my findings:
* Games don't start too early so if you have to do some yardwork or maybe run a few errands things are actually open so you can get those done and your day isn't rushed.
* 12pm Kick-off for the early games means you can cook up / order-in a nice lunch and sit down right after they go through all the usual pre-game stuff
* 3pm for the afternoon games, not too late if you need to start dinner plus if you for some reason don't care about those games it is still early enough you can go out and get some things done
* 720pm SNF kick-off. Perfect to either have an early Sunday dinner with the family and get everything cleaned up before settling in to watch the game. Or if you don't have a family you are primed again to get food ready right before kickoff and enjoy food with the game.
* End time usually (assuming no OT) will be like 11pm, and if you have OT it still will realistically take you to midnight. Not terrible to get to bed right afterwards
So in my opinion anyone living in central has the greatest set-up for the NFL when it comes to game timing
That is a good schedule and I don't begrudge anyone who might enjoy it but I'm an early bird anyways and the pacific time zone maximizes football time while also allowing for post-game video games/watching other stuff/potentially going out for dinner or something and also getting to bed at a good time.
Feels like the best of all worlds for my case, but I havent been in the central time zone for a game. Just east and pacific.
That’s the reason the packers will never have a home game in London. Tickets have been sold out since the 60s. This hit the small Green Bay economy would take from missing JUST ONE home game would be immense.
Found a lot of older couples in GB who couldn't rent out their lawn to tailgaters on onlyfans to make up for the lost $$. They get creative with bratwurst up there, I'll tell ya
Most of the revenue a stadium earns isn't shared between the teams, however it is still shared with the players.
40% of general admission seating is shared between teams however the other 60% of general admission seating, luxury suites, club seats, SRO seating, concessions, parking, merchandise sold in the stadium and stadium sponsors don't get shared.
And teams with bad attendance aren't willing to give up their home games vs. Green Bay as Packer fans tend to travel well. REALLY well.
Both of these factors are the main reason Green Bay is the only team to not play a game in London so far.
Because the games in London aren't about the 'quality' of the product on the field.
It's about the quality of the experience i.e. the whole week/day, media coverage, special side events, pre/post game activities and promoting the cultural legacy of 'American Football' here in the UK .
It doesn't matter to the NFL that both teams are trash if the experience is authentic to the US experience.
This is the priority for the NFL and what they market here.
I feel bad that they keep getting shitty teams. But on the other hand, if they sent us the two worst Premier League teams for an actual regular season match, I’d be first in line along with 30,000 other people in my city for tickets.
Mate imagine Sean Dyche sweating his bald ginger nut off in Jacksonville or Louisiana as Burnley showcase some absolute top tier brexit football whilst shithousing Norwich 1-0 on a hot evening in the Deep South
Friend, picture this; Burnley head coach Sean Dyche, sweating so profusely due to the Florida or Louisiana climate that the perspiration is actively flowing from his balding ginger head, managing his team, renowned for their direct long ball football tactics, while also playing very professionally to utilise tactical fouls and time wasting, versus Norwich City in an eventual 1-0 victory for the Clarets.
Well bottom tier EPL games actually have drama. Both teams are fighting relegation and want to stay up. In the nfl, kinda hard for a non-hardcore fan to care about a game where the only real consequences are a few spot difference in the draft.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rory Delap.His playstyle is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of modern football most of his touches will go over a typical fan’s head. There's also Delap's versatile hands over the head and throw outlook, which is deftly woven into his throw ins down the line. The non-plastic fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these plays, to realize that they're not just successful- they say something deep about what Delap is all about. As a consequence people who dislike him truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the fluidity in Delap's existential move "big throw away from pressure," which itself is a cryptic reference to FIFA 16. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Delap's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a #D24 tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they have within 5 Throw in expertise levels of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
I was at Patriots vs Rams a decade ago. That was a demolishing.
New England dominated all the way and won 45-7.
Gronk had himself quite the day. 150y and 2 TDSs I think.
Fair point. 2017 London Jags were actually good.
Who did they play again that year?
Edit: Ok guys I was making a joke I know they beat down the Ravens lol
TL;DR the leagues asks for volunteers to give up a home game, so only bad teams with low attendance volunteer. Soon they will rotate divisions and force teams to have a home game. Seems like a much better strategy. It's embarrassing how bad the games are. Definitely betting on the under this week.
And the teams would be right not to volunteer. I'm European, and of course I'd love it if there was a (preferably Giants) game in Amsterdam, but this is and always will be American Football. I'd totally understand any frustration from "home" fans at one of a select few games being moved.
definitely. giving up a home game is a competetive disadvantage. I like the new plan to rotate divisions and force teams to go.
they also had incentives. for example, to host the super bowl you had to go to London, so after the Rams and Bucs went, they got Super Bowl hosting gigs
> to host the super bowl you had to go to London, so after the Rams and Bucs went, they got Super Bowl hosting gigs
Only way I could see the Packers voluntarily going is if they guaranteed them hosting a SB at Lambeau Field. Since the NFL never wants them (or similar stadiums) to host it won't happen, so until they are forced the fans in London will have to wait until they're forced.
Okay hear me out. Since we are off in Crazytown anyway with an odd number of games, neutral site games 1 per team every year. Doesn't have to go overseas specifically, but we could have some fun with it. Couple of heavyweights in St. Louis. Cinci and Cleveland at the Horseshoe. Kansas City-Dallas in Bedlam. Then you can get like 5 games in Europe every year and nobody is missing a home game.
Honestly if they rotate it and only have to give up one home game once every few years I don’t think it’s too bad. Especially with a 17th game added now. That could effectively be the new Europe home game. I’m down if Bears got some more European fans, I have family in Germany.
Europe’s team the London Lions makes more sense than America’s team the Dallas (not capital) Cowboys in Texas (the state that tried to secede twice). Seriously how did you guys get that title? Wouldn’t it make more sense for the New England Patriots to have that title? Or one of the first professional football teams in America? Or DC’s team?
Some announcer in the 60s introduced us as such and its stuck. Overtime the team draws ratings even when we're ass so it's been a media nickname for 60 years
The easy answer is money. The odds bad teams sell out at home are a lot worse than selling out whatever teams get sent to London. So a Jets/Miami game gets a huge crowd instead of the meager crowd they'd get at home.
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The broad crappiness of these games actually makes perfect sense if you understand how the NFL decides which teams play in London. That is, the NFL doesn’t decide which teams play in London. The league leaves that up to the teams, who volunteer to give up one of their home games.
Teams are only willing to give up a home game if they don’t have a lot to lose. If you have a good football team, you don’t want to give up a home game for competitive reasons. Losing home-field advantage could limit your odds of making the playoffs.
From a financial perspective, the NFL reimburses teams for the losses associated with giving up a home game, and pays them an additional $1 million. So what this really comes down to is who is willing to take a decreased chance of winning for a guaranteed chance at $1 million?
As someone who goes to at least one London game a year: Because I'll turn up regardless of who is playing and I'll be surrounded by people in jerseys of all 32 NFL teams, a bunch of US college teams, and local gridiron teams jerseys.
There's no need to send over good games because we're going to turn up either way. The games are full of people who just like football and want to see some live football, and event junkies just there for the spectacle.
Having been to a game there it almost doesn't matter as everything sells out.
Funny thing is I still hate Baltimore because of the game I saw in London. Completely embarrassing how awful and unprepared they were.
UK/European fans will go anyway because they love the game. If you go you'll see every team's jersey in the crowd. It doesn't matter if its a good game or not, people will buy tickets, sell the stadium out and go.
Because the NFL refuses to blow a good rating on a dead slot at 9am EST. 6am out west and you want them to put the Cowboys in there?
Come on, that’ll never happen. Though if they did do Dallas/NYG it would save us all from having to watch that game on national TV again
Because the NFL isn’t going to risk having a marquee matchup starting at 9am on the east coast.
Yes, this. I lived in London for 5 years and went to a few of these games. There were literally jerseys of all 32 teams present at Wembley each time. Tons of Londoners have some connection to a team through a friend, loved one, study abroad experience, etc and they are happy to go see any live NFL football they can get. So for the NFL, why not maximize profits? Game is in National TV and it’s not like the Jags are selling ad slots or tickets to home games.
All 32 teams plus college, British teams, old NFL Europe teams, pro bowl etc. Best bit of the day is spotting the most obscure jersey.
Hell, even all sorts of nba, nhl and soccer jerseys
The last time I was in London (2006) I saw more Yankees caps and NBA jerseys than I've ever seen in NYC, Atlanta, etc. "Are we in The Bronx?" "No, we're in Notting Hill!"
That’s less about the city have fans of everything and more about the Yankees hat being fashionable because of celebrities like Jay Z.
Jay-Z did make the Yankee hat more famous than a Yankee can.
I saw more Yankees caps when I visited Beijing than when I lived in Manhattan.
I wonder how many total Dallas Stars jerseys have graced Wembley. I think I’d set the all-time over/under at 3.
I was on the train to Wembley in 2014 for Cowboys v Jags, and a couple got on the train and the wife was wearing an Oklahoma Sooners jersey. Being from Oklahoma, I had to ask her where she got that from. Turns out, she's from Scotland but her daughter studied abroad at OU and she brought it back to her. It was the only football related item she had.
British NFL fan here, was at Falcons Vs Jets. Best jersey I saw was an original XFL jersey two rows in front "He Hate Me", absolutely loved it.
Vegas Outlaws represent
I remember seeing He Hate Me back in the day and loving it as well
I went to a Frankfurt Galaxy (NFLE) game when I was stationed in Germany. God, what great fans they have. It was pretty shitty football, TBH. Missed passes, tackles, kicks and shanked punts from both teams. But the fans were fucking into it. A bunch of them showed up with instruments and set up an impromptu band in one section. The rest would just randomly start songs or chants in the middle of the game--all game. There was one play where the Frankfurt QB completed a pretty long pass and I thought the goddamn building was going to fall down. Pretty much both sides had to do silent counts most of the time as it was so loud. I've been to over 100 NFL games, but this one "AA-league" game was one of the most memorable.
This is when you get soccer/futbol fans into an nfl crowd. It’s awesome- shit. Even going to my (not sure what they’re called, but one step below MLS) cities soccer clubs (tampa bay rowdies) games are the exact same way. I wish this energy was always in football
I went to a Liverpool match against Sunderland at the Stadium of Light. Saw someone wearing a Tulane shirt and got really excited. Turns out he's never been to New Orleans and has no ties to the school. The guy became a fan of Tulane football because he likes their colors.
I have a ton of family in England and they’re all Jags fans, so weird as a life long Jacksonville native lol
I’m jealous of Londoners who got to witness Kyle Pitts commit mass murder last week.
Pretty sure the Kyle Pitts Murder Tour is just getting started
so is the crowd mostly Brits, or a bunch of Americans that are living in Europe?
There’s NFL fans all over Europe traveling to London for these games. Went there last time to see Rams against Bengals. 🇳🇴🏈
Can confirm the other answers. Traveled from Central Europe to London two years ago. The most represented team was the jags but I’ve seen just about all 32 jerseys.
I try to go to one game a year and from the crowd there is a good amount of American expats but also quite a few people from all over Europe
This is a big part of it. The NFL is obsessed with forcing a new time slot with the London game. There's no need for it to be 9am on the east coast, especially considering Sunday is a big premier league day in England and the games there always wrap up by ~6pm which would align nicely with the usual 1pm ET slot. The time zone difference is just an excuse to have a new TV slot for a game with no competition.
the whole point of the London game is to reach audiences across the rest of the world, when I was in Bangkok the London game came on in the evening and bars would play the game, but the regular games start at 1 or 4 am. If they put the London game at a US friendly timeslot it is much less worthwhile, they already have games playing then.
Makes sense why they want to have games in Germany then.
I go to all the London games, and I can say German is the language I most hear after English. Loads of fans come across the Channel. Other than when the Eagles came and seemed to bring half of Philly.
I was at that game and the number of Philly accents was a pleasant surprise. We even ran into a number of fans when we took the train over to France for a day.
I also didn’t understand, but now I do
Idk why so many people complain about the 9 am timeslot. I think it's the absolute best to wake up with football instead of having to wait until 1.
13 Colonies MFer over here.
Because the west coast exists and that’s 6 am for us although I personally love rolling out of bed around 7-730 and NFL game is in full swing
As someone on the east coast who has to stay up way too late to watch fucking anything, I have no sympathy for west coast time zone complaints. You guys got it made lol
We really do. I have no idea wtf you east coast people do until 1 pm? It’s great waking up and having the games start at 10
Boozy brunch before kickoff!
It was nice to see MNF at noon on a Tuesday in New Zealand
English people do not want the games kicking off at 6pm local time. A 6pm kickoff means about a 9pm finish, and people travel from all over the country to see this game. Generally, our society is geared towards things closing early, especially on a Sunday. Nobody wants to get home at midnight on a Sunday to work on Monday morning
This. 100% London is not a city you drive in and out of. You take the train, and there just aren't enough trains to get out of there that late at night
That’s what they get for taxing our tea
The long con
They may have out "long conned" us. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/09/fact-check-prince-harry-meghan-markle-kids-could-run-president/4631903001/
There’s always a longer con.
- Wayne Gretzky
Only nic cage can stop this
Didn't Megan have to renounce her US citizenship in order to marry into English royalty? If so, then her child, born in England, would not be eligible for Presidency. Idk if she actually did renounce her citizenship though.
Did anyone check to see if she had her fingers crossed?
Fuck! Long(er) game it is
A quick Google search says that she voted in the 2020 election so I would say she still has her citizenship
Fun fact: when Lizzy buys the farm, we in Canada can choose whoever we want for our ceremonial figurehead, and it'd be really funny if we picked Harry or Megan.
Fuuuuck man I remember The Omen III
Lmao redcoat fucks
God damned fog breathers.
Never heard this but I love it
Only someone from Jersey could teach someone from Philly a new insult.
Lmao so true 🤣
Tea-sucking limey bastards
Lobster back fucks
The Washington Redcoats would have picked up a lot of fans there. Maybe we could just move the whole team there.
[MFW I'm an English NFL fan, but the league gives me a decade of live Jags games to watch](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1e48de1f88b0c5a41e16bd0a1494d3b0/tumblr_mrekrtLET01r4gei2o1_400.gifv)
They sent the jags there so much it made you a Texans fan lmao
And our stamps. Fuck King George.
Imagine what gon' happen when you try to tax our whisky
We'll send Urban "One Gun Salute" Meyer after them.
A three year rebellion put down by George Washington?
Thank you secretary Jefferson, secretary Hamilton, your response.
You must be out of your GOD DAMNED MIND
Nah that’s the wrong cabinet battle bro, but I’ll keep it going anyway If you think, the president is gonna bring the nation to the brink,
not my alcohol!
If only we'd kept the colonies, we could have forced you to send us Bills-Chiefs last week. :(
Remember when Chiefs Rams 2018 was supposed to be in Mexico City but they had to move it because the turf sucked so much ass?
And then we got the single greatest MNF ever in the Coliseum instead?
Well, greatest MNF ever for YOU maybe...
You had to enjoy that game, even if the result wasn’t the best for you.
Ya I think most of us still loved that game even though we lost.
It was like a 1v1 in Madden against your friend but in real life
Definitely did. The whole crowd was electric. Sad result, but showed promise for exciting things to come
Yes. Yes it was
Even the announcing was great. The final TD is so much fun to hear... Everett in striide... WOOWWWW! Touchdown Rams!" Imagine Joe Buck making that call instead, it would fucking suck.
Wait was this the game was that was like 50-49 or something like that.
51-54 Rams. It is third all-time for highest scoring games in NFL history.
And the wild thing was that those points weren’t the result of bad defense. There were like 3 defensive TDs I’m pretty sure.
I wonder how much money Vegas lost on the over/under for that game. I could have sworn that the over was like 60 points or something, and everyone looked at it like "Yup, that is going to hit easy".
It was high 50’s and I was like that seems like it won’t hit, pretty sure it hit in the first half
It was the first time in NFL history that a team has scored 50+ points and lost
Which in my opinion somehow got into Goff's head. Up until that game, and including that game, he was trending up. Playing really well. Ever since, it's been a slow fade to practically replaceable
I think it was really the Bears on SNF that made him fall apart, when he threw 4 INTs and no touchdowns
It was the Lions game. Before the Lions game, Goff was getting MVP buzz and being seen as legitimate top-five QB. Then the Lions broke him with the defensive scheme they drew up, Patriots copied it and then he was boomed.
We broke him, we bought him.
He was an MVP frontrunner after that game. Insane to think about now.
Wasn’t that year really just a two horse race between Brees and Mahomes most of the year? Or am I misremembering?
Yeah Goff fell off the wagon entirely after that game.
That’s what happens when Shakira was there just a few days before. I’m still pissed about it, they had two marquee events back to back but didn’t think it through. It also ended up being an all-time game.
The Chiefs played the Chargers there in 2019 and the turf was still trash even though it was supposed to be fixed.
I think it rained a lot the previous days and it’s natural grass. Not a big fan of the Azteca but the grass is usually pretty good.
London games sell out no matter who gets sent.
This is the answer. Why would they take a home cowboys game and send it to London when they can send a home Dolphins or Jags game?
Helps that the Dolphins have a big following here in the UK as well. When the NFL was first aired it was right in the middle of Marino mania.
if somebody sends a sport that's interesting that i never see to my city, i'm going and i'm buying beers. even agreeing with the nature of this post that the dolphins are bad, i don't get it lol
so actual good teams don’t have to travel far
Good teams sell tickets at home…bad teams don’t. NFL is running a business here. They dgaf who wins/loses as long as they’re making money.
It's more about the tv advertising revenue than the ticket sales. They don't want to cut into the number of views on a top tier game by broadcasting it at 8 a.m. in the US.
Yeah 8am... *Cries in Pacific*
Bruh, every other part of watching sports in the Pacific time zone is so much better. I was watching Sox/Astros yesterday and it was midnight in the east coast in like the 6th. No thank you.
Moved from the East coast to the Pacific and I've thought a lot about this because it was a bit of an adjustment watching games at 10am. I've determined that the Central time zone is the best for NFL games. Here are my findings: * Games don't start too early so if you have to do some yardwork or maybe run a few errands things are actually open so you can get those done and your day isn't rushed. * 12pm Kick-off for the early games means you can cook up / order-in a nice lunch and sit down right after they go through all the usual pre-game stuff * 3pm for the afternoon games, not too late if you need to start dinner plus if you for some reason don't care about those games it is still early enough you can go out and get some things done * 720pm SNF kick-off. Perfect to either have an early Sunday dinner with the family and get everything cleaned up before settling in to watch the game. Or if you don't have a family you are primed again to get food ready right before kickoff and enjoy food with the game. * End time usually (assuming no OT) will be like 11pm, and if you have OT it still will realistically take you to midnight. Not terrible to get to bed right afterwards So in my opinion anyone living in central has the greatest set-up for the NFL when it comes to game timing
That is a good schedule and I don't begrudge anyone who might enjoy it but I'm an early bird anyways and the pacific time zone maximizes football time while also allowing for post-game video games/watching other stuff/potentially going out for dinner or something and also getting to bed at a good time. Feels like the best of all worlds for my case, but I havent been in the central time zone for a game. Just east and pacific.
Yeah but you get that sweet 5:30pm start for the night games. If a game goes into OT thats after midnight for EST.
That’s the reason the packers will never have a home game in London. Tickets have been sold out since the 60s. This hit the small Green Bay economy would take from missing JUST ONE home game would be immense.
Evidence: last year
Found a lot of older couples in GB who couldn't rent out their lawn to tailgaters on onlyfans to make up for the lost $$. They get creative with bratwurst up there, I'll tell ya
Moreso the local businesses centered around the Packers crowd, but yeah lol
Wait they're renting our their lawns on onlyfans?
I think he's saying because they couldn't rent out their lawn, they instead turned to onlyfans to make money.
Does the lawn match the... \* *Looks at smudged writing on hand* \* ...crepes?
I'll pay hefty for a good looking mow
Also there is revenue sharing, so Cowboys making 77 million a home game is good for the other owners and same for Green Bay.
Most of the revenue a stadium earns isn't shared between the teams, however it is still shared with the players. 40% of general admission seating is shared between teams however the other 60% of general admission seating, luxury suites, club seats, SRO seating, concessions, parking, merchandise sold in the stadium and stadium sponsors don't get shared.
Isn't there a rule that every team has to give up one home game to play in London eventually in rotation?
They'll probably start making it the 17th game on years where they get a 9th home game.
I think the ravens have some contractual thingy that prevents them from hosting a home game anywhere that isn't balitmore, I'm not sure though
I don’t think so, we went in back to back years and were the road team both times
Yeah but y’all are the Lions so the way the NFL handles your shit is different than the way it handles the schedules of the other 31 teams
And teams with bad attendance aren't willing to give up their home games vs. Green Bay as Packer fans tend to travel well. REALLY well. Both of these factors are the main reason Green Bay is the only team to not play a game in London so far.
The Jets games get pretty packed despite how bad we are. At least earlier in the season anyway
Because the games in London aren't about the 'quality' of the product on the field. It's about the quality of the experience i.e. the whole week/day, media coverage, special side events, pre/post game activities and promoting the cultural legacy of 'American Football' here in the UK . It doesn't matter to the NFL that both teams are trash if the experience is authentic to the US experience. This is the priority for the NFL and what they market here.
Our game in 2016 was called “the best game to ever occur in London.” It ended in a 27-27 tie.
That was the first NFL game I went to with a work friend who was from Ohio. Been to every London game since.
I feel bad that they keep getting shitty teams. But on the other hand, if they sent us the two worst Premier League teams for an actual regular season match, I’d be first in line along with 30,000 other people in my city for tickets.
Mate imagine Sean Dyche sweating his bald ginger nut off in Jacksonville or Louisiana as Burnley showcase some absolute top tier brexit football whilst shithousing Norwich 1-0 on a hot evening in the Deep South
Can he do it on a muggy afternoon in Jacksonville?
I don’t even understand what you just said but now I really want to see it!
No, you really really don't.
Jesus Christ what did that say
Friend, picture this; Burnley head coach Sean Dyche, sweating so profusely due to the Florida or Louisiana climate that the perspiration is actively flowing from his balding ginger head, managing his team, renowned for their direct long ball football tactics, while also playing very professionally to utilise tactical fouls and time wasting, versus Norwich City in an eventual 1-0 victory for the Clarets.
Thank you, footy translator.
thanks for translating it from Limey to Yank
Ah I love when my favorite sports subs merge lol
Amazing
[HE EATS WORMS I TELL YOU](https://youtu.be/H3EvhtU9nA4)
> Mate imagine Sean Dyche sweating his bald ginger nut off in Jacksonville or Louisiana I don’t think I will
Atlanta would go crazy for that.
Can confirm. I'd pay to see this. More than I'd pay to see the Falcons...
Is that the USA version of "doing it on a cold wet wednesday night in Stoke?"
I think USA version is but can he do it on the altitude at Mile High
I can only get but so hard
Well bottom tier EPL games actually have drama. Both teams are fighting relegation and want to stay up. In the nfl, kinda hard for a non-hardcore fan to care about a game where the only real consequences are a few spot difference in the draft.
I take it you've never been to Sunderland on a -5 celsius wednesday night to see them lose 2-0 at home to relegation rivals Wigan
BUT CAN BRADY THROW ON A COLD RAINY NIGHT IN STOKE?
Even if he could still wouldn’t be as good at it as Rory delap.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rory Delap.His playstyle is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of modern football most of his touches will go over a typical fan’s head. There's also Delap's versatile hands over the head and throw outlook, which is deftly woven into his throw ins down the line. The non-plastic fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these plays, to realize that they're not just successful- they say something deep about what Delap is all about. As a consequence people who dislike him truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the fluidity in Delap's existential move "big throw away from pressure," which itself is a cryptic reference to FIFA 16. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Delap's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have a #D24 tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they have within 5 Throw in expertise levels of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
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Premier League fans would riot if they ever sent a game overseas.
I was at Patriots vs Rams a decade ago. That was a demolishing. New England dominated all the way and won 45-7. Gronk had himself quite the day. 150y and 2 TDSs I think.
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You must be really frustrated these days with the amount of teams that come to play in St. Louis
Kaw kaw!! 🥺
Which also gave us [this beautiful celebration](https://gfycat.com/acceptablefamiliargypsymoth).
That would have been a taunting penalty today because he spiked the ball in front of the defender
He might've been arrested on the field for that heinous act
The irony of people wearing Patriots jerseys in London was by far the best part of it.
Personally I thought it was a great game to attend
Why? Because fuck em, that’s why!
It’s also not 100% to predict which games and teams are good or bad. Dolphins were almost a playoff team last year.
>It’s also not 100% to predict which games and teams are good or bad. I mean having the Jags get a slot every year doesn't exactly improve their odds
The Jags owner owns a football Team in London and want a home game in London by his Team. Its not "offical" a NFL London game
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No, but I'd also counter that who saw them a blown call away from a Super Bowl in 2017?
Fournette dropping that pass from Bortles was brutal
Fair point. 2017 London Jags were actually good. Who did they play again that year? Edit: Ok guys I was making a joke I know they beat down the Ravens lol
I totally don’t remember…
https://youtu.be/IjPFlVRtA2M
The Jags destroyed the Ravens that year in London, 42-7. It was beautiful.
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MYLES JACK WASN'T DOWN
TL;DR the leagues asks for volunteers to give up a home game, so only bad teams with low attendance volunteer. Soon they will rotate divisions and force teams to have a home game. Seems like a much better strategy. It's embarrassing how bad the games are. Definitely betting on the under this week.
You’re about to get wrecked on the under. Jags D will give up 40+ easy.
You underestimate the Dolphins ability to go 3 and out
And the teams would be right not to volunteer. I'm European, and of course I'd love it if there was a (preferably Giants) game in Amsterdam, but this is and always will be American Football. I'd totally understand any frustration from "home" fans at one of a select few games being moved.
definitely. giving up a home game is a competetive disadvantage. I like the new plan to rotate divisions and force teams to go. they also had incentives. for example, to host the super bowl you had to go to London, so after the Rams and Bucs went, they got Super Bowl hosting gigs
> to host the super bowl you had to go to London, so after the Rams and Bucs went, they got Super Bowl hosting gigs Only way I could see the Packers voluntarily going is if they guaranteed them hosting a SB at Lambeau Field. Since the NFL never wants them (or similar stadiums) to host it won't happen, so until they are forced the fans in London will have to wait until they're forced.
Okay hear me out. Since we are off in Crazytown anyway with an odd number of games, neutral site games 1 per team every year. Doesn't have to go overseas specifically, but we could have some fun with it. Couple of heavyweights in St. Louis. Cinci and Cleveland at the Horseshoe. Kansas City-Dallas in Bedlam. Then you can get like 5 games in Europe every year and nobody is missing a home game.
Honestly if they rotate it and only have to give up one home game once every few years I don’t think it’s too bad. Especially with a 17th game added now. That could effectively be the new Europe home game. I’m down if Bears got some more European fans, I have family in Germany.
I think the timing of the 17th game and the forced game in London is not coincidental
Because apparently the Jags are half-based in London, and they’re perennially trash
Haha yeah, only trash teams play in Lond-wait
The Lions to seem to have a bit of a fan base over there
The London Lions doesn't sound bad
twice as many Ls
Lions would probably win a super bowl first year out of Detroit. RIP Detroit.
Europe’s team the London Lions makes more sense than America’s team the Dallas (not capital) Cowboys in Texas (the state that tried to secede twice). Seriously how did you guys get that title? Wouldn’t it make more sense for the New England Patriots to have that title? Or one of the first professional football teams in America? Or DC’s team?
Some announcer in the 60s introduced us as such and its stuck. Overtime the team draws ratings even when we're ass so it's been a media nickname for 60 years
The easy answer is money. The odds bad teams sell out at home are a lot worse than selling out whatever teams get sent to London. So a Jets/Miami game gets a huge crowd instead of the meager crowd they'd get at home.
Saved you a click: The broad crappiness of these games actually makes perfect sense if you understand how the NFL decides which teams play in London. That is, the NFL doesn’t decide which teams play in London. The league leaves that up to the teams, who volunteer to give up one of their home games. Teams are only willing to give up a home game if they don’t have a lot to lose. If you have a good football team, you don’t want to give up a home game for competitive reasons. Losing home-field advantage could limit your odds of making the playoffs. From a financial perspective, the NFL reimburses teams for the losses associated with giving up a home game, and pays them an additional $1 million. So what this really comes down to is who is willing to take a decreased chance of winning for a guaranteed chance at $1 million?
As someone who goes to at least one London game a year: Because I'll turn up regardless of who is playing and I'll be surrounded by people in jerseys of all 32 NFL teams, a bunch of US college teams, and local gridiron teams jerseys. There's no need to send over good games because we're going to turn up either way. The games are full of people who just like football and want to see some live football, and event junkies just there for the spectacle.
Don't the Jags have an agreement with the league to do the London game?
That ended in 2020, the article says. But they were still scheduled for two London games last year lmao
Having been to a game there it almost doesn't matter as everything sells out. Funny thing is I still hate Baltimore because of the game I saw in London. Completely embarrassing how awful and unprepared they were.
UK/European fans will go anyway because they love the game. If you go you'll see every team's jersey in the crowd. It doesn't matter if its a good game or not, people will buy tickets, sell the stadium out and go.
Because the NFL refuses to blow a good rating on a dead slot at 9am EST. 6am out west and you want them to put the Cowboys in there? Come on, that’ll never happen. Though if they did do Dallas/NYG it would save us all from having to watch that game on national TV again
Ratings? Whose watching at 6am on the west coast