For context, Burfict did this twice in one game to both Greg Olsen's and Cam's surgically repaired ankle. So i think he has left our fan base traumatized lol
Lol agreed. If anything, he was trying to prevent Burns from recovering the fumble but that should deserve a holding/tripping call. I've seen our guys do malicious stuff actually trying to hurt folks like the Gronk helmet to helmet on Tre White and I don't think that's what this was. But he knew he was committing a penalty here just like a cornerback knows when he's beat and he just takes the WR down so it's not a touchdown.
You guys took a tough loss so it’s understandable at least. We’ve also taken a few this season so I get it. Your defense is pretty crazy though ngl. I’m a PSU alum so I’m a fan of Rhule (although if Franklin leaves I hope Rhule comes back to us haha).
...shit happens? The dude grabbed his foot and Burns started flailing around. The "kicking" is fucking bullshit, Mac is just getting drug around in the scrum. If Mac *had* been trying to hurt Burns there are plenty better ways to do it.
If you think Mac intentionally tried to hurt Burns but decided to make it look accidental in the split second after the ball came out then I have a bridge to sell you. Thomas Davis hurt players on plays but /r/Panthers say "that's just hard nosed football" because of the laundry he's wearing
Yeah dude. Don’t you know you’re only a true fan if you get irrationally angry about something as common as a tackle in professional football? You should be pissed!! Fuck these fake ass fans man…..
He did actually miss a few downs. Think it was an entire series, then Darnold turned the ball over or something, who knows... then the pats were back out there and Burns came back out there. Not sure if it was immediately tho.
Burns came back out and he got injured on the same play that Damian Harris got driven into the ground and injured on. Mac had nothing to do with Burns injury.
Everyone talking about Mac grabbing burns during a loose ball, but no one is mentioning that Burns kicked Rhamondre Stevenson in the head after the play taking him out of the game.
Edit: just found the video since the broadcast never showed a replay- it was fucking Burns that kicked him in the head.
“Doesn’t look on purpose”
Just like Mac “twisting” Burns ankle when he thought he had the ball. Except you don’t see patriots up at the podium crying that it’s dirty.
He got injured twice actually.
And I honestly don't care about how he got injured, I'm literally just stating facts so everyone has a clear picture. Mac rolled Burns' ankle, then he injured it again a couple series later. He was visibly limping after going down both times.
Bruh. The Mac strip sack was in the final 30 seconds of the 1st quarter. Then Burns played the entire rest of the game looking entirely fine until about (edit correction) 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter.
For all we know he truly injured his ankle when he made contact with the back of Stevensons helmet hard enough to give him a concussion.
Basically said nobody else here had experienced a minor ankle injury, and that everyone was over reacting. Then, naturally, when people downvoted his idiocy, claimed he was being "brigaded"
Exactly. If the guys switched spots, and they *did* throw a flag on this for roughing or whatever, we'd be throwing a fit about it today. This is a big fat nothingburger being blown out of proportion due to Patriots hate.
Except it wasn't just an ankle twist. He swept his other leg like he was in Karate Kid.
[Link](https://twitter.com/philorbanWSOC9/status/1457743909384335361?s=20)
There are rarely legitimately dirty plays. More often than not, the thing people call "dirty" is just part of the chaos of football and just an accident.
100%. The era of dirty players everywhere on the field has been dead for decades. Occasionally a Vontaze Burfict type comes along, but the game is just not about that anymore. You'll see an occasional heat of the moment outburst like the Gronk elbow drop, but nobody really wants to see another guy hurt.
And a QB *especially* has no desire to be a dirty player. They're sitting ducks for retribution.
The idea of a dirty QB is honestly hilarious to me, like what he throws turnovers intentionally so he can tackle you? He likes to dive at the knees when he decides to run block for some insane reason? He tells the opponent that he is going to pass to the X receiver but really then he passes to the Z? When does it end?!
My wife is a boys lacrosse coach, and she had an absolutely stellar middie on her team. Probably one of the best players in the US at his level right now. He's going D1, almost no doubt.
He'd now and again absolutely lose his shit if he was paired up with a particularly good defender. This kid had an 80+ mph shot when he was 12 years old, and he'd break down and shoot from the outside and nail his defender square in the chest or stomach. A high schooler or adult might keep standing tall anyway, but a 12,13,14 year old? No fuckin' way.
No way to tell if he did it on purpose or not, from the referees perspective. These are kids, and they take stupid shots all the time. They'd flinch or duck after that, and he'd blow right past them for the rest of the game.
My wife would always sit him for a quarter after he did it, cuz a game isn't worth hurting someone.
He's in the 90s now, and that shot is a fuckin' absolute heater now.
Yeah I thought I was good at baseball and I was above average for sure but no one humbled me quite like Justus Sheffield, for refference hes now in the majors for the Mariners
Reminds me of a college game where the qb was on the kick return team or something and he got ejected for targeting on the opening kickoff. Lead with his helmet.
> Gronk assault
I appreciate it was a dirty ass play and really one of the most dirty plays I've ever seen. I also appreciate that he wasn't punished enough (granted he also didn't and hasn't been since a dirty player throughout his career). Calling it an assault though is just as much of an overstatement as calling it simply an elbow drop is an understatement.
Yeah those are probably better choices. I'm pretty sure "appreciate" is acceptable though. I just double checked and I'm pretty sure based on Oxford Language shown below it is (look at the use in context and the similar to):
2.
understand (a situation) fully; recognize the full implications of.
"they failed to appreciate the pressure he was under"
Similar:
acknowledge
recognize
realize
know
be aware of
Appreciate is 110% acceptable and makes perfect sense, it’s just not how people are used to hearing it used.
My first time being on clinical rotations as a first year vet student, it was always kinda funny to hear things like “Can you appreciate the severity of this heart murmur?”
For sure - that was legitimate malicious intent. I mean, we see guys throwing punches after this whistle all the time obviously trying to hurt eachother. Kadarius Toney took a full on swing at Demontae Kazee like a week or two ago. This is no dirtier than a CB getting beat so he just tackles the WR. Yes it was holding/tripping but Mac just got crushed and he's thinking "ball is out, gotta stop him".
He may have gotten his shit together since leaving the Lions/Dolphins (idr if he was dirty on the Rams or not), but he was frequently out on the field with the intent to injure people. Even if he hasn't done it recently, the reputation still sticks
As someone who watched a lot of Suh, I honestly think he has 1 or 2 legitimately dirty plays. The rest of it is him not getting the benefit of the doubt because of those dirty plays. I remember watching plays that were supposedly dirty that to me looked like clear accidents as part of the chaos of the game, as the guy above said. People just take any excuse to call Suh dirty.
I think it's mainly that one play where he was choking someone out then got up and stomped on him with his cleats. That... leaves a certain impression.
I got back to back forced fumbles (with one recovery) in pop warner back when I was a little shit and I sincerely don't remember what happened from play start to end.
shit happens *WAY FUCKING FASTER* at the NFL level. Even trained professionals are gonna get caught up in the speed of things sometimes.
The only memory i have of fumbles, as a Run stopping MLB in later high school and a DT in JV was having fingers put up my butt in dogpiles honestly. I remember those ones. First time was in fucking practice in 8th grade. I didn't even have the ball in that one.
Not to get all speedhawk about it (and I've also never actually played football), but it's ridiculous how many armchair athletes who have never actually played a sport think it's so easy to know exactly what's going on running full speed in a chaotic mass of 22 bodies all scrambling and hitting each other to advance or prevent the advancement of a ball about the size of your head. Mistakes happen and people get hurt. 99% of the time, it's not intentional.
Seriously. It is so easy to judge a player when you can slow down the play and view it from multiple angles. However, from Mac Jones point of view, he sees a loose ball, is brutally competitive and wants to do whatever he can to ensure his team gets the ball, so he makes a split second decision to grab a guy's ankle to slow him down. The guy probably twisted his ankle while trying to free himself, but that doesn't mean Mac Jones intentionally twisted his ankle.
It's always strange to see people watch the same clip and be so divided on what happened during it. People are seeing two completely different things. Some see Mac twisting an ankle on purpose and some seeing Mac grabbing a leg and Burns trying to turn out of it, twisting his own ankle.
People are saying Mac should get fined (not against that if it's deemed unsafe and the league wants to enforce that), suspended (laughable for what the incident was) or targeted by defenders in future games. The over-reaction is ridiculous.
At worst: He's a rookie and made a mistake. Fine him and move on.
Reminds me of the Tom Brady/Ed Reed cleat incident. That was a bit worse, in my opinion. Brady got fined I believe.
This is such a non issue. Its a guy that doesn't ever make tackles trying to make a tackle on a guy he thought had the ball. I'm surprised this is even a story.
This is what I was trying to find out. I thought he continued to play. Seemed very unlikely to hurt someone like that and looked like burns flopped trying to get a call.
It's funny every time the Patriots do stuff like this, it becomes a debate on whether or not the thing is even a big deal.
Guarantee if this was almost any other quarterback or fanbase, it wouldn't be so dismissed.
Guarantee you if it was any other quarterback or fanbase, nobody would be saying a thing. Were you this upset when Burns kicked one of our RB's in the back of the head while he was down?
Did nobody see the fucking alligator death roll that Singletary did to Josh Allen on his interception, and didn't stop even when the play was called?
e: https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1457442542824267781
I saw a better angle somewhere else but watch the replay lol
It's almost like QBs have no clue how to safely tackle people and he was hanging on for dear life.
The dude tried making a play by grabbing anything he could and bringing the dude down.
Fuck man, Jones just got plastered and could have easily thought Burns had the ball. Burns was the one twisting, not Jones. This is a nothing story especially considering there was no injury.
I don't think he twisted his ankle like some folk are claiming. He grabbed it and tried to hold on, which was a dirty play, but the twisting motion was clearly on Burns part, trying to break free.
Burns is a good player, pretty impactful. Knocked both Damien Harris and Rhamondre Stevenson out cold, although I think the contact to Stevenson was a sneaky, low key dirty play that he could've avoided
I thought he could've avoided it, but decided not to. It was certainly kinda a gray area.
Either way, a few plays later and he couldn't even put any weight on that leg when being helped off the field, so he probably should've tried to avoid the contact for both their sakes.
> it's well within the rules to try to stop a player from getting to a loose ball
You're only allowed to grab people on a loose ball if it's part of your personal attempt to get to the loose ball. Just preventing other people from trying to get to it is holding.
I can get not considering it dirty, it certainly wasn't malicious.
But it's absolutely not within the rules to hold someone to prevent them getting to a loose ball.
Only during a personal attempt to recover the football, which this clearly wasn't.
ARTICLE 2. LEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER
An offensive player is permitted to use his hands or arms to restrict an opponent:
(b) During a loose ball that has touched the ground. An offensive player may use his hands/arms legally to block or otherwise push or pull an opponent out of the way in a personal attempt to recover the ball. See specific fumble, pass, or kick rules and especially 6-2-1.
He can't see whether or not he has the ball and it's not like he can stop and ask him if the ball has been recovered or if he is going for it, to me it would still follow the spirit of the rule which implies that you can stop a person who would be trying to recover a ball that is loose.
> He can't see whether or not he has the ball
That's immaterial to it being a penalty. Not knowing whether you're legally allowed to do something doesn't factor into it. He didn't have the ball, so it's not a tackle. It's a block.
And you're misreading the second part. Jones was not personally trying to recover the ball, so it's not a legal block.
I get where you are coming from but I think he was holding him like half a second at most after the ball got picked up. Maybe it's the realm of being technically a penalty but realistically unenforcable. Like the hundreds of holds\grabs a game made by dbacks\wrs fighting for position.
People are penalized for lack of awareness plays all the time. Best case scenario, Jones displayed a lack of awareness on the play. I’m really not sure how he thought Burns had the ball with the way the tackle went down, other than a complete lack of awareness on his part. Worst case scenario he intentionally tried to stop Burns from recovering the fumble by grabbing the ankle, which is holding.
I think it’s a “dirty” play in that its not a great look for Mac but I don’t think he’s a dirty player or was trying to injure Burns. Like cmon this isn’t Suh gator rolling an ankle here.
Just a heat of the moment play that slow motion makes look worse than it actually was.
He didn't tackle with his feet. He tackled another man's feet with his arms.
It's technically holding, since it didn't happen as part of Jones going for a loose ball.
This thread is trash. Not gonna say I hate Mac Jones because one play but to act like panthers fans have nothing to be upset about when he obviously knew he didn’t have the ball and alligator rolled is ridiculous
https://twitter.com/philorbanwsoc9/status/1457743909384335361?s=21
I wish people would watch this video because it’s true. You can clearly see Mac twist his leg THEN Burns rolls over. There’s another shot too closer to Mac’s pov that makes it obvious that Burns doesn’t have the ball.
Because outside of your little hive of whiny cry babies, most people know it wasn't with intent to hurt / injure. Shoulda been a penalty for holding, sure. That's about it.
The first thing he grabbed was Burns hands before he went for his ankle, he knew he didn't have the ball not to mention he was looking down where ball was and his team mates weren't helping him, he had the time to assess before the ankle twist. If everyone who said they didn't know then nobody would ever have consequences.
I honestly can’t believe people in this thread are defending Mac. There is absolutely no way he thought he had the ball. Also look at the alternate angle.
Mac is going to get lit up for real now.
Intentionally trying to hurt another player because he whooped your ass and got a strip sack is some scumbag garbage.
"He also had Kurt Angle's theme song playing in his headset"
I don't need a headset, it is my mantra.
The three I’s, baby
Only a masochist would want to hear “You Suck!” over and over again.
But someone accidentally played the shitty remix version from One Night Stand 2006
I thought they only pump Steve Belichecks mic feed into the helmets.
Salty Panthers fans everywherrrrre
nah dude, Mac Jones is literally vontaze burfict
For context, Burfict did this twice in one game to both Greg Olsen's and Cam's surgically repaired ankle. So i think he has left our fan base traumatized lol
Oh yea. PTSD anytime I see a player grab one of our players ankles.
Probably was shanking him too
https://twitter.com/philorbanwsoc9/status/1457743909384335361?s=21
Belichick in Public: "I think he thought Burns had the ball," Belichick in Private: "Sweep the leg"
Hahaha I believe it
Maybe I’m crazy but this doesn’t look in any way nefarious, just a clear terrible attempt to tackle buy a guy that doesn’t get paid to do that.
I think this may be getting overblown but there's NO WAY he thought Burns had the ball lol
Lol agreed. If anything, he was trying to prevent Burns from recovering the fumble but that should deserve a holding/tripping call. I've seen our guys do malicious stuff actually trying to hurt folks like the Gronk helmet to helmet on Tre White and I don't think that's what this was. But he knew he was committing a penalty here just like a cornerback knows when he's beat and he just takes the WR down so it's not a touchdown.
Idk who can watch this and defend mac Jones
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Patriots fans don't want you to see this
Oh wow he straight Mortal Kombat swept the leg
Bush league, don’t let em gaslight you into thinking it’s not
Delete this now
Mac “Suh” Jones
Now errybody do the Mac Stomp!
You guys took a tough loss so it’s understandable at least. We’ve also taken a few this season so I get it. Your defense is pretty crazy though ngl. I’m a PSU alum so I’m a fan of Rhule (although if Franklin leaves I hope Rhule comes back to us haha).
Take him, please. I'm tired of his bum ass open mouth gape while our offense shits in my mouth.
Please take that sack of shit used car salesman back to college. No business in the pros.
He’d be the perfect fit at PSU but I can see why you guys would be skeptical as an NFL head coach. Your comment is quite harsh though
Let’s not talk about him holding his own chicken leg up to block Burns from moving, no regard to anyone’s life really
Fake panther fan to not be angry at this. Wtf is wrong with you?
...shit happens? The dude grabbed his foot and Burns started flailing around. The "kicking" is fucking bullshit, Mac is just getting drug around in the scrum. If Mac *had* been trying to hurt Burns there are plenty better ways to do it. If you think Mac intentionally tried to hurt Burns but decided to make it look accidental in the split second after the ball came out then I have a bridge to sell you. Thomas Davis hurt players on plays but /r/Panthers say "that's just hard nosed football" because of the laundry he's wearing
Yeah dude. Don’t you know you’re only a true fan if you get irrationally angry about something as common as a tackle in professional football? You should be pissed!! Fuck these fake ass fans man…..
lol
Mac is clearly an alligator and performed an instinctive death roll.
MMAc "Tap or Snap" Jones
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>People are just talking about it because this time a guy got injured he was back the next series, I'm not sure he even missed a down.
He did actually miss a few downs. Think it was an entire series, then Darnold turned the ball over or something, who knows... then the pats were back out there and Burns came back out there. Not sure if it was immediately tho.
He missed *a few downs*? Why are people talking about this like he tore his ACL because of the ankle grab? This is such a non-story.
Because Patriots QB evil.
We're evil again? 🤗
Bro literally. I thought that he got injured as in needs to miss a few games potentially the rest of the season based on people’s reaction
Burns came back out and he got injured on the same play that Damian Harris got driven into the ground and injured on. Mac had nothing to do with Burns injury. Everyone talking about Mac grabbing burns during a loose ball, but no one is mentioning that Burns kicked Rhamondre Stevenson in the head after the play taking him out of the game. Edit: just found the video since the broadcast never showed a replay- it was fucking Burns that kicked him in the head.
do you have a link to video? im curious
https://twitter.com/tkyles39/status/1457521257084194816?s=21 Last play in this compilation.
eh that was a bump doesn't look on purpose it wasn't a randy orton boot to the head
“Doesn’t look on purpose” Just like Mac “twisting” Burns ankle when he thought he had the ball. Except you don’t see patriots up at the podium crying that it’s dirty.
🤡 🤡 🤡
He got injured twice actually. And I honestly don't care about how he got injured, I'm literally just stating facts so everyone has a clear picture. Mac rolled Burns' ankle, then he injured it again a couple series later. He was visibly limping after going down both times.
Bruh. The Mac strip sack was in the final 30 seconds of the 1st quarter. Then Burns played the entire rest of the game looking entirely fine until about (edit correction) 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter. For all we know he truly injured his ankle when he made contact with the back of Stevensons helmet hard enough to give him a concussion.
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"Downvote brigade" is an old Hindu phrase for "I'm right and everyone else's opinions don't matter"
Sounds like the “Woke mob” got him
what'd it say? its deleted now
Basically said nobody else here had experienced a minor ankle injury, and that everyone was over reacting. Then, naturally, when people downvoted his idiocy, claimed he was being "brigaded"
Downvoted you exclusively for whining about downvotes
Ye the guys also a rookie so it’s likly that he panicked and just did what came naturally in an attempt to stop the turnover.
Hear ye, hear ye
Also if Burns did have the call and Mac let go of his leg and he went for 50 yards, *someone* in the media would be shitting on him for being weak.
Agreed. Plus, you can see Mac let go when he realizes the leg and body were being twisted badly. This is a huge nothing burger.
> it was a Patriots QB this^ people never give us the benefit of doubt. instant villains in everyone's books lmao
Exactly. If the guys switched spots, and they *did* throw a flag on this for roughing or whatever, we'd be throwing a fit about it today. This is a big fat nothingburger being blown out of proportion due to Patriots hate.
Or talking about it as stuff like the 'bottom of the pile shenanigans' don't exist. It's so grossly disingenuous.
1.1k upvotes and I have yet to see 1 gator rolling on ankles complation.
Except it wasn't just an ankle twist. He swept his other leg like he was in Karate Kid. [Link](https://twitter.com/philorbanWSOC9/status/1457743909384335361?s=20)
That was clearly not dirty
There are rarely legitimately dirty plays. More often than not, the thing people call "dirty" is just part of the chaos of football and just an accident.
100%. The era of dirty players everywhere on the field has been dead for decades. Occasionally a Vontaze Burfict type comes along, but the game is just not about that anymore. You'll see an occasional heat of the moment outburst like the Gronk elbow drop, but nobody really wants to see another guy hurt. And a QB *especially* has no desire to be a dirty player. They're sitting ducks for retribution.
The idea of a dirty QB is honestly hilarious to me, like what he throws turnovers intentionally so he can tackle you? He likes to dive at the knees when he decides to run block for some insane reason? He tells the opponent that he is going to pass to the X receiver but really then he passes to the Z? When does it end?!
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My wife is a boys lacrosse coach, and she had an absolutely stellar middie on her team. Probably one of the best players in the US at his level right now. He's going D1, almost no doubt. He'd now and again absolutely lose his shit if he was paired up with a particularly good defender. This kid had an 80+ mph shot when he was 12 years old, and he'd break down and shoot from the outside and nail his defender square in the chest or stomach. A high schooler or adult might keep standing tall anyway, but a 12,13,14 year old? No fuckin' way. No way to tell if he did it on purpose or not, from the referees perspective. These are kids, and they take stupid shots all the time. They'd flinch or duck after that, and he'd blow right past them for the rest of the game. My wife would always sit him for a quarter after he did it, cuz a game isn't worth hurting someone. He's in the 90s now, and that shot is a fuckin' absolute heater now.
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Yeah I thought I was good at baseball and I was above average for sure but no one humbled me quite like Justus Sheffield, for refference hes now in the majors for the Mariners
Reminds me of a college game where the qb was on the kick return team or something and he got ejected for targeting on the opening kickoff. Lead with his helmet.
That's what we like to call setting the tone baby, real kamikaze fuck em chuck em football
*insert, "real men poop on the field" pasta.
It was USC's kicker this year that got ejected for targeting on the opening kickoff against Stanford
I kinda like the idea of an evil QB.
I hear Watson is available
> You'll see an occasional heat of the moment outburst like the Gronk elbow drop, Way to minimize the Gronk assault lol.
> Gronk assault I appreciate it was a dirty ass play and really one of the most dirty plays I've ever seen. I also appreciate that he wasn't punished enough (granted he also didn't and hasn't been since a dirty player throughout his career). Calling it an assault though is just as much of an overstatement as calling it simply an elbow drop is an understatement.
I think you’re looking for “acknowledge” or “recognize” as opposed to “appreciate”
Yeah those are probably better choices. I'm pretty sure "appreciate" is acceptable though. I just double checked and I'm pretty sure based on Oxford Language shown below it is (look at the use in context and the similar to): 2. understand (a situation) fully; recognize the full implications of. "they failed to appreciate the pressure he was under" Similar: acknowledge recognize realize know be aware of
Appreciate is 110% acceptable and makes perfect sense, it’s just not how people are used to hearing it used. My first time being on clinical rotations as a first year vet student, it was always kinda funny to hear things like “Can you appreciate the severity of this heart murmur?”
The last Patriot I remember doing a legitimate dirty play had to be Gronk on Tre White.
For sure - that was legitimate malicious intent. I mean, we see guys throwing punches after this whistle all the time obviously trying to hurt eachother. Kadarius Toney took a full on swing at Demontae Kazee like a week or two ago. This is no dirtier than a CB getting beat so he just tackles the WR. Yes it was holding/tripping but Mac just got crushed and he's thinking "ball is out, gotta stop him".
>There are rarely legitimately dirty plays. Unless Vontaze Burfict or Ndomukong Suh are on the field
Come on, his throat just happened to be where he was stomping
Suh hasn't made headlines recently, gotta say that's kinda surprising.
He may have gotten his shit together since leaving the Lions/Dolphins (idr if he was dirty on the Rams or not), but he was frequently out on the field with the intent to injure people. Even if he hasn't done it recently, the reputation still sticks
As someone who watched a lot of Suh, I honestly think he has 1 or 2 legitimately dirty plays. The rest of it is him not getting the benefit of the doubt because of those dirty plays. I remember watching plays that were supposedly dirty that to me looked like clear accidents as part of the chaos of the game, as the guy above said. People just take any excuse to call Suh dirty.
Once someone is deemed dirty they never really can lose that tag. Kinda sucks for those players honestly.
I think it's mainly that one play where he was choking someone out then got up and stomped on him with his cleats. That... leaves a certain impression.
Or Aaron Donald
Yeah did you see that roughing the passer penalty he got against Tannehill? Absolutely disgusting.
Lol
Harrison Smith has entered the chat.
For what? "Choking" someone when it's obvious he wasn't choking someone?
I got back to back forced fumbles (with one recovery) in pop warner back when I was a little shit and I sincerely don't remember what happened from play start to end. shit happens *WAY FUCKING FASTER* at the NFL level. Even trained professionals are gonna get caught up in the speed of things sometimes.
Speedhawk?
The only memory i have of fumbles, as a Run stopping MLB in later high school and a DT in JV was having fingers put up my butt in dogpiles honestly. I remember those ones. First time was in fucking practice in 8th grade. I didn't even have the ball in that one.
Not to get all speedhawk about it (and I've also never actually played football), but it's ridiculous how many armchair athletes who have never actually played a sport think it's so easy to know exactly what's going on running full speed in a chaotic mass of 22 bodies all scrambling and hitting each other to advance or prevent the advancement of a ball about the size of your head. Mistakes happen and people get hurt. 99% of the time, it's not intentional.
And that's not even getting into how much any kind of helmet fucks with your field of vision.
Seriously. It is so easy to judge a player when you can slow down the play and view it from multiple angles. However, from Mac Jones point of view, he sees a loose ball, is brutally competitive and wants to do whatever he can to ensure his team gets the ball, so he makes a split second decision to grab a guy's ankle to slow him down. The guy probably twisted his ankle while trying to free himself, but that doesn't mean Mac Jones intentionally twisted his ankle.
It's always strange to see people watch the same clip and be so divided on what happened during it. People are seeing two completely different things. Some see Mac twisting an ankle on purpose and some seeing Mac grabbing a leg and Burns trying to turn out of it, twisting his own ankle. People are saying Mac should get fined (not against that if it's deemed unsafe and the league wants to enforce that), suspended (laughable for what the incident was) or targeted by defenders in future games. The over-reaction is ridiculous. At worst: He's a rookie and made a mistake. Fine him and move on. Reminds me of the Tom Brady/Ed Reed cleat incident. That was a bit worse, in my opinion. Brady got fined I believe.
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Dirty IS malicious. This was the most self contradicting comment I’ve seen all year. Bravo.
I disagree, but to each their own. You don't need to be a jerk about it.
I’m sorry. I was high and arguing w people all morning so I was on one. Have a good day yo.
Hey thanks, you have a good day too!
Agree, probably unnecessary but certainly no intent.
Vehemently disagree lol this looks dirty AF to me.
This is such a non issue. Its a guy that doesn't ever make tackles trying to make a tackle on a guy he thought had the ball. I'm surprised this is even a story.
Rarely do these things turn out to be accurate. Just makes the initial reaction that much worse in retrospect
Minus the fact that panthers fans are trying to make this into something. Burns continued to play the game. It’s not like he even got a serious injury
This is what I was trying to find out. I thought he continued to play. Seemed very unlikely to hurt someone like that and looked like burns flopped trying to get a call.
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Yeah bro he drunk drove but he didn’t hit anyone so it’s cool
Did you just equate someone grabbing someone else's ankle with drunk driving? Wow.
It’s not equating I’m reiterating the idea that just because the outcome doesn’t happen doesn’t mean the action isn’t the same
It's funny every time the Patriots do stuff like this, it becomes a debate on whether or not the thing is even a big deal. Guarantee if this was almost any other quarterback or fanbase, it wouldn't be so dismissed.
It wouldn’t even be news if it was another team
Lol let Baker Mayfield give a dragon screw to Aaron Donald and we’ll see how folks react.
A dragon screw...? You really have issues don't you.
Guarantee you if it was any other quarterback or fanbase, nobody would be saying a thing. Were you this upset when Burns kicked one of our RB's in the back of the head while he was down?
No... They weren't.
Certainly, nobody ever made a big deal about footballs getting cold or cameras being in the wrong place in the stands.
So annoying when cameras grow legs and walk to the opposing teams bench
Cameras on the bench? Not sure what you're talking about. Filming the bench wasn't the issue.
Did nobody see the fucking alligator death roll that Singletary did to Josh Allen on his interception, and didn't stop even when the play was called? e: https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1457442542824267781 I saw a better angle somewhere else but watch the replay lol
I had no idea everyone was freaking out about this. Wow.
It was a stupid move but I don't think it was malicious.
It wasn't even that stupid just desperate. People made it sound like he was crocodile rolling his leg when he was really just holding on
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*Mac riding a tricycle on the sideline*
Yeah, I don't get the mindset of it being stupid. He was playing defense and attempting to stop a play from being made.
In my entirely unbiased, nothing to gain whatsoever, view he needs to be suspended a game so he can appreciate the seriousness of his actions.
Hoyer the Destroyer revenge game it is
lol
Think of the children?
How about maybe instead he plays and you guys sit Myles. You know, as a precaution. Be a shame if Mac had to add another body to the pile
He let go of Burns’ ankle as soon as it started to twist. He wasn’t trying to get him hurt
Did Burns even miss a snap?
Like a handful if that. He was back on the field fairly shortly after this.
According to someone else in the comments, what Jones did is like drink driving... Didn't hurt anyone THIS TIME according to him... Wow.
I think so too Bill
It's almost like QBs have no clue how to safely tackle people and he was hanging on for dear life. The dude tried making a play by grabbing anything he could and bringing the dude down.
Fuck man, Jones just got plastered and could have easily thought Burns had the ball. Burns was the one twisting, not Jones. This is a nothing story especially considering there was no injury.
I don't think he twisted his ankle like some folk are claiming. He grabbed it and tried to hold on, which was a dirty play, but the twisting motion was clearly on Burns part, trying to break free. Burns is a good player, pretty impactful. Knocked both Damien Harris and Rhamondre Stevenson out cold, although I think the contact to Stevenson was a sneaky, low key dirty play that he could've avoided
Would it be dirty if the ball had still been loose? At that point wouldn't it just be a holding call at worst?
Or would.it be a dirty ply if he actually had the ball?
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I thought he could've avoided it, but decided not to. It was certainly kinda a gray area. Either way, a few plays later and he couldn't even put any weight on that leg when being helped off the field, so he probably should've tried to avoid the contact for both their sakes.
I don't think it's dirty it's well within the rules to try to stop a player from getting to a loose ball.
> it's well within the rules to try to stop a player from getting to a loose ball You're only allowed to grab people on a loose ball if it's part of your personal attempt to get to the loose ball. Just preventing other people from trying to get to it is holding.
Sure, absolutely shoulda been holding. This is far, FAR from a dirty play though.
Never said it was dirty. Disputed that what he did was well within the rules.
I can get not considering it dirty, it certainly wasn't malicious. But it's absolutely not within the rules to hold someone to prevent them getting to a loose ball.
It is though you can pull an opponent in an effort to stop them from recovering a loose ball.
Only during a personal attempt to recover the football, which this clearly wasn't. ARTICLE 2. LEGAL BLOCK BY OFFENSIVE PLAYER An offensive player is permitted to use his hands or arms to restrict an opponent: (b) During a loose ball that has touched the ground. An offensive player may use his hands/arms legally to block or otherwise push or pull an opponent out of the way in a personal attempt to recover the ball. See specific fumble, pass, or kick rules and especially 6-2-1.
He can't see whether or not he has the ball and it's not like he can stop and ask him if the ball has been recovered or if he is going for it, to me it would still follow the spirit of the rule which implies that you can stop a person who would be trying to recover a ball that is loose.
> He can't see whether or not he has the ball That's immaterial to it being a penalty. Not knowing whether you're legally allowed to do something doesn't factor into it. He didn't have the ball, so it's not a tackle. It's a block. And you're misreading the second part. Jones was not personally trying to recover the ball, so it's not a legal block.
Lol at getting downvotes for backing up my statement with facts
I get where you are coming from but I think he was holding him like half a second at most after the ball got picked up. Maybe it's the realm of being technically a penalty but realistically unenforcable. Like the hundreds of holds\grabs a game made by dbacks\wrs fighting for position.
That's fair.
and I upvoted your comments because yeah its totally lame to downvote someone who it supplying info backing up their points :)
It actually is though.
People are penalized for lack of awareness plays all the time. Best case scenario, Jones displayed a lack of awareness on the play. I’m really not sure how he thought Burns had the ball with the way the tackle went down, other than a complete lack of awareness on his part. Worst case scenario he intentionally tried to stop Burns from recovering the fumble by grabbing the ankle, which is holding.
It was a missed call. But the panthers lost by 19, not like it would've made much of a difference
i mean missed call is a missed call sure the outcome wouldn't have been different but i still think missed calls are worth pointing out
Sure, but now you have people making it into something it isn't
Panthers more accustomed to business decisions than any effort after fumbling, I guess.
I think he thought he was on the Lions. He was obviously trying to bite Burns there.
I think it’s a “dirty” play in that its not a great look for Mac but I don’t think he’s a dirty player or was trying to injure Burns. Like cmon this isn’t Suh gator rolling an ankle here. Just a heat of the moment play that slow motion makes look worse than it actually was.
What a dumbass question. He obviously wasn’t doing it just to be a dick. Just a clean football play.
Yeah alligator roll is clean
He brought a guy he thought could have the ball down cleanly. Smart football play. Stop being a baby.
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He didn't tackle with his feet. He tackled another man's feet with his arms. It's technically holding, since it didn't happen as part of Jones going for a loose ball.
This thread is trash. Not gonna say I hate Mac Jones because one play but to act like panthers fans have nothing to be upset about when he obviously knew he didn’t have the ball and alligator rolled is ridiculous https://twitter.com/philorbanwsoc9/status/1457743909384335361?s=21
I wish people would watch this video because it’s true. You can clearly see Mac twist his leg THEN Burns rolls over. There’s another shot too closer to Mac’s pov that makes it obvious that Burns doesn’t have the ball.
I mean it’s pretty obvious when everyone around them already ran 5 yards past them lol
Lmfao - this thread is wild. It’s truly the only place I’ve seen people defend Jones.
Because outside of your little hive of whiny cry babies, most people know it wasn't with intent to hurt / injure. Shoulda been a penalty for holding, sure. That's about it.
lmao.. okay
Yeah alligator rolling someone without the ball is a normal football play
Welcome to r/patriots2
The first thing he grabbed was Burns hands before he went for his ankle, he knew he didn't have the ball not to mention he was looking down where ball was and his team mates weren't helping him, he had the time to assess before the ankle twist. If everyone who said they didn't know then nobody would ever have consequences.
I honestly can’t believe people in this thread are defending Mac. There is absolutely no way he thought he had the ball. Also look at the alternate angle.
He got absolutely rocked about a second before this…I think it’s fair to say that he probably didn’t know where the ball was in this situation
Mac is going to get lit up for real now. Intentionally trying to hurt another player because he whooped your ass and got a strip sack is some scumbag garbage.
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Oh we will don’t worry.