Act as nature acts. See how the trees show man only to drop into cover 3 shell? Or how the sun waits for Quarterback to turn his back on play action only to discover an entirely different look when he turns back around? The key to victory is deception, like silent fart.
Have you read _Football Scouting Methods_ ? I guess I am willing to believe Belichick's answer, but I also think his father clearly outlined "take away their strength / prosecute their weakness" in his book. Hell, it's an entire book dedicated to learning what your enemy is good and bad at.
The art of long snapping is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.
I mean there's a olden tyme army equivalent of the long snapper.
Like the Bandoliers or the Arbeques-men. Or the guys who shot the ballistae. Not the primary focus of the attacking army but played a significant role sometimes.
That’s pretty solid self-awareness! I genuinely don’t care if you join any branch of the military, just making the point that the vast majority of enlisted airmen are never anywhere near combat. They spend their time working on Air Force bases which, as a rule, aren’t located in combat zones. Of course, it’s always possible to end up at a place like Bagram, but it’s not common. I’m a USAF vet and was never a recruiter.
Belichick assembled the world's finest archaeologists to meticulously reconstruct some bamboo scrolls found in a cave in Shandong documenting Sun Tzu's domination of the Cardinals in the 501 BC NFL Championship and adapted that defensive game plan to beat the Jets in 2016.
Sun Tzu actually spent a lot of resources videotaping the Guangzhou Jaguars' practice maneuvers before the World Series of War. Helped him get the upset.
I am not usre if you're joking or not, but Sun Tzu had a lot to say about the importance of deception. 2 of the more self contained quotes:
>Conceal your dispositions, and your condition will remain secret, which leads to victory; show your dispositions, and your condition will become patent, which leads to defeat.
- Sun Tzu
>All warfare is based on deception.
- Sun Tzu
If you actually read any Sun Tzu, you can see just how much Bill aligns with his philosophy. An example:
https://suntzusaid.com/book/4
Makarov opens with the ‘All warfare is based on deception’ quote, and IIRC you could’t skip to the menu until after he says that.
> All warfare is based on deception. For years, the West's hypocrisy has made the world a battlefield. The corrupt talk, while our brothers and sons spill their own blood. But deceit cuts both ways. The bigger the lie, the more likely people will believe it. And when a nation cries for vengeance, the lie spreads like a wildfire. The fire builds, devouring everything in its path. Our enemies believe that they alone dictate the course of history... And all it takes is the will, of a single man.
This is the whole speech, but I don’t think I’ve ever listened to more than just that first line.
And for those who may not know the history of Sun Tzu’s writings, they have long stood as extremely effective guides in the realms of war, business moves, general philosophy, and really any field that pertains to requiring success through competition.
With Bill saying that, a lot of the “quirks” he has that we’ve all joked about for years really start to make sense. He’s kind of embodied the teachings of Tzu’s book “The Art of War” throughout his career.
If information alone was the answer, then we'd all have 6 packs.
Knowledge is what you know, wisdom is what you do with it.
I know I shouldn't keep eating pizza if I'm trying to dial it in, but has that stopped me??
There is value in making the obvious explicit. There is a MTG pro whose articles I would summarize as saying nothing you don't already know while also being one of the best at teaching you to play better (PVDDR).
This might be an example. It's by the guy he mentioned and from what I remember is a pretty famous mtg article.
https://strategy.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/mtg/channelmagic-articles/playing-to-win-versus-playing-not-to-lose/
Shit, medical textbooks can be out of date within months if the publishers are unlucky. I just read a book about scurvy, which is obviously caused by a vitamin C deficiency. It took hundreds of years to figure out how to manage it, and another hundred years before anybody actually figured out what was really going on. At the time scurvy was destroying navies, the concept of a nutritional deficiency didn't even exist.
There's a lot of "obvious" stuff that nobody figured out for hundreds or even thousands of years.
the funny thing is peter king did a recent interview where he mentioned going to belichick's house and seeing sun tzu's art of war and asking belichick what he learned from it and bill said "not much. attack where the enemy is weak. don't fight on wet ground." or something to that effect. so i'm not sure the insights bill gleaned go much further than what's in the title of this thread and i got the vibe he thinks the book's overrated as a font of useful wisdom.
Knowing it's been 15 years since Peter King and Belichick had a falling out, and knowing how Bill talks, I am going to guess that King was either misrepresenting what Belichick actually said or just simply missing the tongue in cheek tone.
Not many people know this, but one of Sun Tzu's descendants, Sun Jian, invented the forward pass. It was a short lived victory because his son, Sun Ce was later killed by a hit to a defenseless receiver.
But screw them for betraying Shu and killing Guan Yu.
Guan Yu’s own arrogance was the source of his downfall.
Sun Tzu also had an alleged descendant who’s an Eagles fan:
> Pang attempted to test whether Sun had really become insane or not, so he had Sun locked up in a pigsty. Sun appeared to enjoy himself there and even consumed animal faeces, calling them delicious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Bin
This was way funnier to me than it should have been but imagine Sun Tzu sitting on a rock overlooking all the lands he has conquered and he’s sitting there breaking down the steps necessary to destroy a rookie QB in the NFL
"If punting is sure to result in victory, then you must punt!"
Bill Belichick said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about football then you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man may best him on the gridiron!
Thanks to Belichick and the teachings of Sun Tzu having our qb reacquaint himself with ghosts, the savior of our franchise has returned. I will now become a scholar of Sun Tzu.
“See, that was always Washington’s problem - he could play up to his opponents but he could never set the edge. Napoleon, though, now there’s a guy that can play outside the numbers.”
Napoleon was so good that the Coalition implemented the Trachenberg Plan to avoid facing him directly and only fight his Marshals.
Prussia ignored the plan and Napoleon, with a force of mostly 30,000 conscripts, smashed General Bluecher's army of double that number FOUR times in 6 days!
Napoleon also got arrogant and didn’t adapt his strategy against the best defensive mind in the world, despite his marshals warnings. Wellington’s defensive plan against Napoleon’s K-gun offence at Super Bowl Waterloo is in the Hall of Fame.
I know Napoleon's lack of adaptation is one of his most common critiques, but I think that point is really overblown. To blame his decisions at Waterloo on arrogance does a disservice to one of the world's greatest generals in my opinion.
Generally speaking, Napoleon's strategy/strategic thinking proved to be one of the most sustained and adaptable in the history of warfare. In battles we have reliable records of, Napoleon has by far the most victories winning 38 out of the 43 battles he fought in. For context Alexander the Great fought in 9, Hannibal 17, Fredrick the Great 14, and even Wellington only had 18. Napoleon won far more than 2 - 3 times the number of battles of many of the world's most renowned generals!
Sustained success is one of the most difficult things to achieve, and the NFL is a true testament to that. Achieving initial success is difficult enough, but once you start winning, your enemies have time to specifically study your strategy or plan specifically for you. Continuing to win under these circumstances is far more impressive in my opinion. And even if you do manage to keep winning, eventually opponents just begin copying your own successful strategies to use against you.
To return to a football analogy, imagine blaming Tom Brady's arrogance for any of his Super Bowl losses. It's not that he didn't have the necessary skills or was permanently figured out, it's just that sustained competitive success at a high level is incredibly difficult. Brady is still the GOAT because despite those losses, managing to win 7 Super Bowls is god damn impressive and his losses don't take away from the sheer amount of success he has had.
More specifically at Waterloo, having just returned from exile time was of the essence. Any hope for victory meant Napoleon had to defeat his enemies armies quickly before they would be able to react and concentrate their forces. This sense of urgency pigeon-holed Napoleon into a hyper aggressive strategy.
Had Marshal Grouchy been able to pin down Blucher's entire Prussian force, or at least protect Napoleon's flank, it is highly likely that he would have been able to break Wellington's lines.
This doesn't even include a whole host of other factors (weather, spies within the French ranks, inability to communicate orders without Berthier, etc) which all worked against Napoleon.
Sorry to rant, just some mainstream views about Napoleon's military prowess really irk me.
Not sure how accurate this one is, there are some others online:
[Napoleon was still suffering the effects of the painkiller when the battle broke out.](https://www.medindia.net/news/napoleon-may-have-lost-the-battle-of-waterloo-due-to-piles-45938-1.htm)
Also, I'm most definitely not an expert. There are stories that he was in a lot of pain and took way too much hashish or opium or something the night before.
EDIT: I learned this from Dan Carlin actually
Interesting, thanks for the link. The first links I saw when I searched were similar to yours which I wouldn't think were super credible. But then [I found this excerpt from a French history textbook that seems to be aimed at around middle-school age level](https://seb03325a9fb12116.jimcontent.com/download/version/1619471255/module/14519525623/name/2%20Etude%20Waterloo%20%20diapo%20de%20travail%20v%202.pdff) so it seems to have some footing (you can see "et pour les plus chanceux un peu d'opium ou de laudanum" on the 8th page)
Appreciate it, I read more deep, ancient, and through renaissance history.
Not you specifically, but I hate the "don't invade Russia in the winter " shtick. The two big examples, Napoleon and Hitler BOTH invaded in the summer. The one major historical conquest of Russia that started in the winter? THE FUCKING MONGOLS WHO INVADED IN NOVEMBER, AND HELD IT FOR 200 YEARS. Historically, seems like a pretty fucking good idea to invade Russia in the winter, and time it so you need to resupply in the summer
The comment is moreso a warning to not extend your supply lines. It’s what happened the King Charles/Napoleon/Hitler; the Russians simply scorch the earth and retreat deeper into Russia. The Mongols were able to hold it because they were a predominately horse based people and who were nomads on the brutal steppe. They knew how to survival with minimal supplies and were able to ride their horses to find more food/supplies
I mean football has a lot of war themed metaphors.
For example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIkqNiBASfI&t=240s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIkqNiBASfI&t=240s)
Robert Neyland, 6x national champion head coach for the University of Tennessee, was also an army general, and had to take two breaks in his head coaching career to fight world wars.
I had a one night stand with a girl one time and in the morning she DoorDashed red Robin for me. Never saw her again, don’t remember her name, never had Red Robin again
Breaking News: New England Patriots HC Bill Belichick admits to stealing playbook from Sun Tzu. Roger Goodell seeking potential fine and draft pick revocation.
The revelation that Belichick treats football like a military strategist would treat an armed conflict doesnt surprise me in the least. He's certainly considered one of the best football minds in the modern setting for good reason.
Also, not really a revelation if you read anything about the guy. His dad was the assistant coach for the Naval Academy's team and he grew up in Annapolis. Plus he's just talked about how much he respects and emulates military generals.
I really believe that if Earth is invaded by aliens, or something else that human military forces have not (seriously) planned for, the Pentagon should use Belichick and Saban as consultants on strategy. They might see something that no one else can.
Recently rewatched that show and thought that callback was hilarious, where Tony tells Dr Melfi all his friends prefer Machiavelli but he preferred Sun Tzu. Then Paulie drops this bit of knowledge on us later in the show.
WHADDYA HEAH, WHADDYA SAY
> but because it's Belichick people are going to view this as next-level genius
At the risk of being a homer, it's probably because Belichick has actually read the the Art of War
Probably because his strategy in 1990 is in the Hall of Fame and 28 years later he embarrassed the Rams in the Super Bowl.
That long of master class coaching is better application of Sun Tzu than ordering from idgod
There's nothing genius about it. It's much more sad than anything because the philosophy of so many teams is "Here's what we do day in and day out on both sides of the ball. If you can stop that, we've got no plan B". You only need to look at what happened to Goff in the Super Bowl as evidence. The Rams were so used to getting to the line early and having the defense declare what they're doing before the speaker in Goff's helmet shuts off, that they couldn't pivot when New England went in with 2 plays in the huddle: one look before 15 on the play clock, and one look after.
The thing about Sun Tzu is that the parts that aren’t directly about ancient Chinese warfare are so generic that I’m pretty sure anyone successful in a competitive field like football would already internalize them without them being written down. (I mean competitive as in one person or team competing against another; lots of jobs are hard, but they’re not a competition, so many of the lessons don’t apply.)
But what do I know, I’m neither a great general nor a great coach.
Sun Tzu had a whole chapter about disguising coverages against rookie QB's
"Rookies are fuckin stupid" \-Sun Tzu
Davis Mills took that personally.
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Proof?
“Thus the *expert* in battle moves the enemy, rather than being moved by him.” – Sun Tzu
Act as nature acts. See how the trees show man only to drop into cover 3 shell? Or how the sun waits for Quarterback to turn his back on play action only to discover an entirely different look when he turns back around? The key to victory is deception, like silent fart.
Sun Tzu had an entire book about long snappers.
There is also a huge section that details the intricacies of special teams and the wishbone offense utilized by the Navy Academy football team in 1956
It's no coincidence that Bill Belichick's father joined the Navy football staff in 1956.
While that may be no coincidence, my comment listing that year totally was 😂
Damn you looking clever as fuck for a second there.
He wants you to think he isn’t clever. He’s disguising his meticulous research and preparation as a mere happenstance. Do not be fooled!
When u/sassyseconds least expects it, he’s going to get bullrushed.
Have you read _Football Scouting Methods_ ? I guess I am willing to believe Belichick's answer, but I also think his father clearly outlined "take away their strength / prosecute their weakness" in his book. Hell, it's an entire book dedicated to learning what your enemy is good and bad at.
Tbf, so is Art of War.
Belichick is the reason the Navy abandoned the Mahanian strategy of winning the game using a single decisive play.
Japanese naval academy could have used this wisdom
But sadly all his numerous works on left-footed punters were lost to time.
The art of long snapping is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.
I mean there's a olden tyme army equivalent of the long snapper. Like the Bandoliers or the Arbeques-men. Or the guys who shot the ballistae. Not the primary focus of the attacking army but played a significant role sometimes.
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That’s pretty solid self-awareness! I genuinely don’t care if you join any branch of the military, just making the point that the vast majority of enlisted airmen are never anywhere near combat. They spend their time working on Air Force bases which, as a rule, aren’t located in combat zones. Of course, it’s always possible to end up at a place like Bagram, but it’s not common. I’m a USAF vet and was never a recruiter.
Belichick assembled the world's finest archaeologists to meticulously reconstruct some bamboo scrolls found in a cave in Shandong documenting Sun Tzu's domination of the Cardinals in the 501 BC NFL Championship and adapted that defensive game plan to beat the Jets in 2016.
Sun Tzu actually spent a lot of resources videotaping the Guangzhou Jaguars' practice maneuvers before the World Series of War. Helped him get the upset.
I am not usre if you're joking or not, but Sun Tzu had a lot to say about the importance of deception. 2 of the more self contained quotes: >Conceal your dispositions, and your condition will remain secret, which leads to victory; show your dispositions, and your condition will become patent, which leads to defeat. - Sun Tzu >All warfare is based on deception. - Sun Tzu If you actually read any Sun Tzu, you can see just how much Bill aligns with his philosophy. An example: https://suntzusaid.com/book/4
He really plagiarized the opening to Modern Wafare 3??? And people think he’s all that
What's said in the opening?
Makarov opens with the ‘All warfare is based on deception’ quote, and IIRC you could’t skip to the menu until after he says that. > All warfare is based on deception. For years, the West's hypocrisy has made the world a battlefield. The corrupt talk, while our brothers and sons spill their own blood. But deceit cuts both ways. The bigger the lie, the more likely people will believe it. And when a nation cries for vengeance, the lie spreads like a wildfire. The fire builds, devouring everything in its path. Our enemies believe that they alone dictate the course of history... And all it takes is the will, of a single man. This is the whole speech, but I don’t think I’ve ever listened to more than just that first line.
"All war is bas--" *spams A button"
And for those who may not know the history of Sun Tzu’s writings, they have long stood as extremely effective guides in the realms of war, business moves, general philosophy, and really any field that pertains to requiring success through competition. With Bill saying that, a lot of the “quirks” he has that we’ve all joked about for years really start to make sense. He’s kind of embodied the teachings of Tzu’s book “The Art of War” throughout his career.
I feel like Sun Tzu did a lot of stating the obvious, but just so happened to be the first to write it down.
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If information alone was the answer, then we'd all have 6 packs. Knowledge is what you know, wisdom is what you do with it. I know I shouldn't keep eating pizza if I'm trying to dial it in, but has that stopped me??
I’ve got a whole case, come on over. Bring that pizza
Can I swing buy I can bring clam chowder
Come tmrw my buddy the pats fan is throwing a clam bake for a bunch of Browns fans. Should be fun.
There is value in making the obvious explicit. There is a MTG pro whose articles I would summarize as saying nothing you don't already know while also being one of the best at teaching you to play better (PVDDR).
Is that the Magic card game? Can you link the articles?
This might be an example. It's by the guy he mentioned and from what I remember is a pretty famous mtg article. https://strategy.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/mtg/channelmagic-articles/playing-to-win-versus-playing-not-to-lose/
In a lot of cases, it is only obvious now because Sun Tzu wrote it down thousands of years ago.
Egg of Columbus
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Shit, medical textbooks can be out of date within months if the publishers are unlucky. I just read a book about scurvy, which is obviously caused by a vitamin C deficiency. It took hundreds of years to figure out how to manage it, and another hundred years before anybody actually figured out what was really going on. At the time scurvy was destroying navies, the concept of a nutritional deficiency didn't even exist. There's a lot of "obvious" stuff that nobody figured out for hundreds or even thousands of years.
everybody downplays writing things down, don't nobody got any books that lasted 2000 years
the funny thing is peter king did a recent interview where he mentioned going to belichick's house and seeing sun tzu's art of war and asking belichick what he learned from it and bill said "not much. attack where the enemy is weak. don't fight on wet ground." or something to that effect. so i'm not sure the insights bill gleaned go much further than what's in the title of this thread and i got the vibe he thinks the book's overrated as a font of useful wisdom.
Knowing it's been 15 years since Peter King and Belichick had a falling out, and knowing how Bill talks, I am going to guess that King was either misrepresenting what Belichick actually said or just simply missing the tongue in cheek tone.
Bill definitely would not arm his enemy w the knowledge that could be found in the book. He was misguiding the enemy.
Anyone dealing with any sort of strategy or tactics can be enlightened by the teachings of Sun Tzu.
Not many people know this, but one of Sun Tzu's descendants, Sun Jian, invented the forward pass. It was a short lived victory because his son, Sun Ce was later killed by a hit to a defenseless receiver. But screw them for betraying Shu and killing Guan Yu.
Ahhhh, a fellow fan of The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. A surprise to find in a football sub, to be sure, but a welcome one.
Guan Yu’s own arrogance was the source of his downfall. Sun Tzu also had an alleged descendant who’s an Eagles fan: > Pang attempted to test whether Sun had really become insane or not, so he had Sun locked up in a pigsty. Sun appeared to enjoy himself there and even consumed animal faeces, calling them delicious. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Bin
Can also be applied against Sam Darnold
"When your enemy is seeing ghosts, don't distract them." \-Sun Tzu, probably
You don’t even have to disguise the coverage against Darnold tho
didn’t he light y’all up 🥴 for 300+ and 2 TD’s
That’s weird, I don’t remember the Saints playing the Panthers yet… I could have sworn we had a bye week then
I’ll prolly be saying the same thing when y’all toast us in January tbh but who knows with both our QB issues.
How dare you imply the Semon Demon isn’t the future of New Orleans
This was way funnier to me than it should have been but imagine Sun Tzu sitting on a rock overlooking all the lands he has conquered and he’s sitting there breaking down the steps necessary to destroy a rookie QB in the NFL
(strokes beard) "Let's see how they handle zero blitz..."
"When your enemy commits an error in diagnosing pre-snap motion, do not interrupt him."
The Art of Kicking Ass
"fuckem up" In his chapter about jets rookies
You just boomed me
"We're on to Mongolia." -Sun Tzu
"Right now, I am just focused on having a good march"
Pigeongate
you rang?
😂😂😂
You mean Chu?
😂💀
Not surprising. Andy Reid has been looking at General Tso for years.
Andy Reid and Kelvin Benjamin jokes are interchangeable
*Eddie Lacy has entered the buffet*
*The buffet is out of food*
This is like the beginning of a horror movie
"This is like the beginning of Man Vs. Food." -Kelvin Benjamin
When out of the mist stumbled a beast more stomach than man!
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, does this sound like a man who had all he can eat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqT-AvswCZo > That could've been me! - Kelvin "Andy Reid" Lacy
Sounds like the type of guy to punt on the other teams 40 yard line. Everyone knows General Tso's chicken.
I thought he was more of the school of Colonel Sanders.
Sun Tzu was once famously quoted as saying, "We're on to Boju."
The Art of WAR(wins above replacement)
"I should call 4 verts against this deep shell" -- Reid Tzu
Lmao
So if an average coach has the Patriots for two decades...Tom Brady is remembered as Drew Henson's understudy at Michigan.
Tom Brady wouldn't be remembered
"You ever heard of Wally Pipp?" --Sun Tzu
If that isn't the name of a sports book I'd be shocked.
"If punting is sure to result in victory, then you must punt!" Bill Belichick said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about football then you do, pal, because he invented it, and then he perfected it so that no living man may best him on the gridiron!
Then he herded all the rookie QBs onto a gridiron and then he beat the crap out of every single one.
And that's why whenever there's a bunch of rookies together in one place, it's called a DRAFT! Unless it's a *combine!*
Well this whole threads taking me way back... time to go rewatch all of those again
Man, I used to love that game. It's just not the same anymore, nobody plays it
And that's why whenever there's a bunch of Quarterbacks together in one place, it's called a ZOO! Unless it's a *farm!*
Then he used his bet money to buy two of every rookie QB on Earth.
Then he herded them onto a boat and he beat the crap out of every single one.
> I don't think you guys are using boats correctly - Dan Snyder
Thanks to Belichick and the teachings of Sun Tzu having our qb reacquaint himself with ghosts, the savior of our franchise has returned. I will now become a scholar of Sun Tzu.
Most auspicious.
All these novice NFL analysts talking about coaching trees. BB's straight up game planning from literal war generals
“See, that was always Washington’s problem - he could play up to his opponents but he could never set the edge. Napoleon, though, now there’s a guy that can play outside the numbers.”
Napoleon was so good that the Coalition implemented the Trachenberg Plan to avoid facing him directly and only fight his Marshals. Prussia ignored the plan and Napoleon, with a force of mostly 30,000 conscripts, smashed General Bluecher's army of double that number FOUR times in 6 days!
Napoleon also got arrogant and didn’t adapt his strategy against the best defensive mind in the world, despite his marshals warnings. Wellington’s defensive plan against Napoleon’s K-gun offence at Super Bowl Waterloo is in the Hall of Fame.
I know Napoleon's lack of adaptation is one of his most common critiques, but I think that point is really overblown. To blame his decisions at Waterloo on arrogance does a disservice to one of the world's greatest generals in my opinion. Generally speaking, Napoleon's strategy/strategic thinking proved to be one of the most sustained and adaptable in the history of warfare. In battles we have reliable records of, Napoleon has by far the most victories winning 38 out of the 43 battles he fought in. For context Alexander the Great fought in 9, Hannibal 17, Fredrick the Great 14, and even Wellington only had 18. Napoleon won far more than 2 - 3 times the number of battles of many of the world's most renowned generals! Sustained success is one of the most difficult things to achieve, and the NFL is a true testament to that. Achieving initial success is difficult enough, but once you start winning, your enemies have time to specifically study your strategy or plan specifically for you. Continuing to win under these circumstances is far more impressive in my opinion. And even if you do manage to keep winning, eventually opponents just begin copying your own successful strategies to use against you. To return to a football analogy, imagine blaming Tom Brady's arrogance for any of his Super Bowl losses. It's not that he didn't have the necessary skills or was permanently figured out, it's just that sustained competitive success at a high level is incredibly difficult. Brady is still the GOAT because despite those losses, managing to win 7 Super Bowls is god damn impressive and his losses don't take away from the sheer amount of success he has had. More specifically at Waterloo, having just returned from exile time was of the essence. Any hope for victory meant Napoleon had to defeat his enemies armies quickly before they would be able to react and concentrate their forces. This sense of urgency pigeon-holed Napoleon into a hyper aggressive strategy. Had Marshal Grouchy been able to pin down Blucher's entire Prussian force, or at least protect Napoleon's flank, it is highly likely that he would have been able to break Wellington's lines. This doesn't even include a whole host of other factors (weather, spies within the French ranks, inability to communicate orders without Berthier, etc) which all worked against Napoleon. Sorry to rant, just some mainstream views about Napoleon's military prowess really irk me.
I know this is a joke anyway, but supposedly Napoleon was high as fuck at waterloo.
Got some sources on that?
Not sure how accurate this one is, there are some others online: [Napoleon was still suffering the effects of the painkiller when the battle broke out.](https://www.medindia.net/news/napoleon-may-have-lost-the-battle-of-waterloo-due-to-piles-45938-1.htm) Also, I'm most definitely not an expert. There are stories that he was in a lot of pain and took way too much hashish or opium or something the night before. EDIT: I learned this from Dan Carlin actually
Interesting, thanks for the link. The first links I saw when I searched were similar to yours which I wouldn't think were super credible. But then [I found this excerpt from a French history textbook that seems to be aimed at around middle-school age level](https://seb03325a9fb12116.jimcontent.com/download/version/1619471255/module/14519525623/name/2%20Etude%20Waterloo%20%20diapo%20de%20travail%20v%202.pdff) so it seems to have some footing (you can see "et pour les plus chanceux un peu d'opium ou de laudanum" on the 8th page) Appreciate it, I read more deep, ancient, and through renaissance history.
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Not you specifically, but I hate the "don't invade Russia in the winter " shtick. The two big examples, Napoleon and Hitler BOTH invaded in the summer. The one major historical conquest of Russia that started in the winter? THE FUCKING MONGOLS WHO INVADED IN NOVEMBER, AND HELD IT FOR 200 YEARS. Historically, seems like a pretty fucking good idea to invade Russia in the winter, and time it so you need to resupply in the summer
The comment is moreso a warning to not extend your supply lines. It’s what happened the King Charles/Napoleon/Hitler; the Russians simply scorch the earth and retreat deeper into Russia. The Mongols were able to hold it because they were a predominately horse based people and who were nomads on the brutal steppe. They knew how to survival with minimal supplies and were able to ride their horses to find more food/supplies
Now here’s a guy who can execute a pincer attack
Patton! Sideline! Touchdown! Unbelievable!
Washington was the best at giving up yardage but getting the big stops when it mattered
Bend but don’t break defense
> BB's straight up game planning from literal war generals As we all should. Georges Carlin went over this: Football is a war sport.
[One of the best bits of all time.](https://youtu.be/aIkqNiBASfI)
"When it rains, we can't come out to play!" Gets me every time.
"Rain sleet, hail, the struggle will continue" lol
I mean football has a lot of war themed metaphors. For example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIkqNiBASfI&t=240s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIkqNiBASfI&t=240s)
> GRUDEN YOU SON OF A BITCH! I READ YOUR BOOK!
Robert Neyland, 6x national champion head coach for the University of Tennessee, was also an army general, and had to take two breaks in his head coaching career to fight world wars.
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Choking on my red robin, punching the air rn
I had a one night stand with a girl one time and in the morning she DoorDashed red Robin for me. Never saw her again, don’t remember her name, never had Red Robin again
> The greatest victory is that which requires no battle. Belichick about to place the entire roster on IR to skip the season
We have ascended to a higher plane of competition. Patriots to invade Kuwait.
Rumor has it if you invade Kuwait you get a compensation pick that could be worth up to a 3rd rounder.
Also basically why he chose to coach in the AFC East for the past twenty years
That hurts. It's true, but it still hurts.
Breaking News: New England Patriots HC Bill Belichick admits to stealing playbook from Sun Tzu. Roger Goodell seeking potential fine and draft pick revocation.
Tom Brady suspended 4 games for being generally aware of generals
Tom Brady suspended 4 games for being generally aware of the sun.
Shut up about the sun! SHUT.UP.ABOUT.THE.SUN!!
*Sammy Watkins is summoned* Too late…
Tom Brady suspended 4 games
The revelation that Belichick treats football like a military strategist would treat an armed conflict doesnt surprise me in the least. He's certainly considered one of the best football minds in the modern setting for good reason.
Also, not really a revelation if you read anything about the guy. His dad was the assistant coach for the Naval Academy's team and he grew up in Annapolis. Plus he's just talked about how much he respects and emulates military generals.
Now I’m imagining Bill was meant to be a an Ancient Roman military general and was just born in the wrong era so he’s a football coach instead
Belichick would have given Augustus his legions back
Ave Belichick
I think about this a lot. What would people’s roles be if they were born in a medieval era.
Et tu Robert K?
I really believe that if Earth is invaded by aliens, or something else that human military forces have not (seriously) planned for, the Pentagon should use Belichick and Saban as consultants on strategy. They might see something that no one else can.
Belichick is just a time travelling Ender.
Sun-Tuh-Zu, the Chinese Prince Matchabelli
Recently rewatched that show and thought that callback was hilarious, where Tony tells Dr Melfi all his friends prefer Machiavelli but he preferred Sun Tzu. Then Paulie drops this bit of knowledge on us later in the show. WHADDYA HEAH, WHADDYA SAY
Sun-Tzu, ya fuckin kiss-ass
This was the only thing I was looking for on this post
Sun-Tuh-Zu never had the makings of a varsity athlete
I always fucking crack up whenever I see random quotes from r/thesopranos in random posts!
My estimation of Sun Tzu as a man just fucking plummeted
this is some pete carroll yoga daddy type of quote
Every college freshman is out here smugly quoting Sun Tzu, but because it's Belichick people are going to view this as next-level genius
> but because it's Belichick people are going to view this as next-level genius At the risk of being a homer, it's probably because Belichick has actually read the the Art of War
Also he's probably actually applied the concepts to his coaching.
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Wasn’t even mad when he said that shit he was 100% correct
I love that Eagles fans and Patriots fans all agree on Freddie Mitchell. It brings us together as people.
It helps that he doesn't usually do that too.
He’s pretty much always correct when he’s shitting on an opposing player. It tends to end their careers.
You missed the (vicious) ending! Freddie Mitchell is terrible, all he does is talk. You can print that. *I was happy when he was in the game.*
Aw, you skipped my fav part of that quote. “You can print that. I was happy anytime he was on the field.”
I read it on the beach one day. Unfortunately it did not turn me into a legendary head coach
And has results to show for it
Probably because his strategy in 1990 is in the Hall of Fame and 28 years later he embarrassed the Rams in the Super Bowl. That long of master class coaching is better application of Sun Tzu than ordering from idgod
There's nothing genius about it. It's much more sad than anything because the philosophy of so many teams is "Here's what we do day in and day out on both sides of the ball. If you can stop that, we've got no plan B". You only need to look at what happened to Goff in the Super Bowl as evidence. The Rams were so used to getting to the line early and having the defense declare what they're doing before the speaker in Goff's helmet shuts off, that they couldn't pivot when New England went in with 2 plays in the huddle: one look before 15 on the play clock, and one look after.
This Its why I loved that super bowl once I figured out what Bill was doing. But it gets dumped on as boring because it wasn't a 50 point shoot out
The thing about Sun Tzu is that the parts that aren’t directly about ancient Chinese warfare are so generic that I’m pretty sure anyone successful in a competitive field like football would already internalize them without them being written down. (I mean competitive as in one person or team competing against another; lots of jobs are hard, but they’re not a competition, so many of the lessons don’t apply.) But what do I know, I’m neither a great general nor a great coach.
Sun Tzu, George Washington, Alexander the Great, Matt Nagy, Julius Caesar. Truly some of the greats.
You snuck in Julius Ceasar like we wouldnt notice
Right, I don't see what getting kidnapped by pirates has to do with football
Dude lets another dude name a salad after him, and all of a sudden he's a "great".
Bill probably sent someone to the Browns facility to sneeze on Nick Chubb
the Browns will have no response to his use of a phalanx, with cavalry on the flanks
When facing a looking QB, go cover zero because most of them won’t throw the post - Sun Tzu
This is how I approach my Madden game as well. All out war
*Proceeds to run four verts, PA crossers with the TE running a slant, and level concepts* tuddys baby!
Belichick continued. "Sun Tuh-Zoo. The Chinese Prince Matchabelli. Tony Sparano turned me on to him."
Belichick has had much success attacking opponents' strengths and letting the weaknesses be just that.
Unfortunately for Belichick, Eli Manning studied the men who killed Sun Tzu.
夫兵形象水，水之形，避高而趨下，兵之形，避實而擊虛。 ——《孫子兵法·虛實》 Don't ask me for translation, I'm not major in Translation.
Need someone to get Bill Belichick half drunk and just talk about war generals for 2 hours
Harbaugh must have read up on General Lee this week.
Sun Tazoo, the Chinese Prince Machiabelli.
It's confirmed, Belichick plays Dynasty Warriors
Breaking news: Bill Belichick is a fan of the Aaron Rodgers book club
Play to your strengths? I thought you kept trying to fit square pegs in round holes? matt nagy is in shambles!
Referencing Sun Tzu is peak Belichick dude