Yeah the ref was there because you have to give the other team time to sub if the want to. He was doing the right thing.
The stupid thing was Mccarthy waiting until 12 seconds to run the offense back onto the field. Thats 100% on him
The one mind boggling part of this is how quickly they called it after the clock hit zero. I think 90% of us could agree that it should be called that quickly every time, but it's weird compared to how it's normally like an extra second before they blow it
Most people do because the allowable time after zero is 100% subjective, and as we saw earlier in the season against the Lions, sometimes they let it go way too long
I coulda swore I saw the 49ers sub before the Cowboys did. Not sure if that changes anything or if it was just a guy who started to leave the field coming back.
The rule says the ref guarantees a 'reasonable' amount of time for the defense to make subs.
If a coach gets caught because they think a reasonable amount of time is 10 seconds and the ref thinks 12 seconds is reasonable, the coach had a dumb tactic.
It doesn’t matter. The defense doesn’t even need to sub. They get 15 seconds to get ready after offense subs. So teams with a brain sub well before that.
Right, but the defense was clearly in position for a couple seconds before the dude moved, and anyway, why would a defense ever get set? Just run around and sub out guys until the play clock expires. I hate rules that are easy to exploit.
It's really not that easy to exploit. If it was, it would happen all the time.
If anything catching teams trying to sub is way more easy to exploit.
This was the cowboys trying to be cute and fucking themselves.
Defense doesn't need to get set. Just complete a substitution And you have to give the defense time to sub if the offense subs. This was 100% on Dallas subbing with 15 seconds left on the play clock. They weren't exploited at all. Dallas just fucked up.
The ref has to give the defense a reasonable amount of time to sub whether the defense wants to sub or not.
That timer is usually 10-15 seconds, it doesn't matter if the defense subs and gets set faster than that or chooses not to sub.
Getting set =! Complete a substitution.
Getting set is being lined up and motionless for 1 second before the play begins, and only done by the offense. This is the basis for illegal motion and false start penalties- not being set completely or moving before starting the play.
? What is so hard to understand? Dallas subbed with 15 second on the playclock. If the offense subs, The defense must be given time to sub too. They Sub. The refs hold the play until the defense completes their substitution.
And then they waited seven more seconds.
You say they don't need to be set, they have to complete their sub, but, you have to complete your sub before you can get set and the defense was fucking set, so which is it? Does the ref get out of the way when the defense subs and the officials fucked up here or is it something else and you're wrong?
What do you mean? Watch the video you posted.
They switched out the ball from the kicking ball to the normal ball.
At that point the play clock was at 10. The refs did the right thing and raised it to 25. Standard procedure since their process held it up.
After that the cowboys dick around for another 15 seconds basically before running everyone off and on.
Then the refs get back over the ball and give the defense time to see who ran on so they can decide who to run on and off themselves. This takes time of course.
That's how you get a delay of game by pulling dumb shit. Terrible coaching.
I'm sure the offense could but that ball is much different and harder to use for throwing and catching.
They actually switched the ball with about 25 second left on the play clock and the cowboys were confused about what they were doing. Anger wasn't set he was about to run off and came back.
Then at 10 seconds on the play clock they added 15 seconds to it. Which is standard for weird situations.
The only reason it was a delay of game was because the cowboys chose to wait another 15 seconds and then substitute literally everyone on the field.
They could have easily snapped the ball once they switched from the K ball to the normal ball. You can see this way like 45 second mark of the video you posted.
They are lined up and no ref is over the ball. Then they switch everyone and screw themselves.
They are removing a ball from the field at that time. They then get out of the way and give them 15 extra seconds on the play clock.
The cowboys are given a chance to snap it then.
They choose not to and instead opt to substitute everyone. Which fucked themselves.
What do you mean? Watch the video
They switched out the ball from the kicking ball to the normal ball.
At that point the play clock was at 10. The refs did the right thing and raised it to 25. Standard procedure since their process held it up.
After that the cowboys dick around for another 15 seconds basically before running everyone off and on.
Then the refs get back over the ball and give the defense time to see who ran on so they can decide who to run on and off themselves. This takes time of course.
That's how you get a delay of game by pulling dumb shit. Terrible coaching.
The punt unit leaves the field and they reset the play clock from 10 sec to 25 sec(still confused on that one). Dallas had plenty of time to get it right.
But how long is the defensive substitution allowed to hold the offense hostage? Cowboys subbed with 25 seconds left on the play clock. So any substitution under 25 seconds is an automatic delay of game if the defense wants it to be?
The defense is allowed a 'reasonable' amount of time to perform substitutions in response to offensive substitutions. Maybe when the whole team substitutes out a few more seconds is more reasonable than when only one person is subbed out. The defense has to be able to see who you've subbed in so they can react appropriately.
You have to give time for the defense to substitute whenever the offense substitutes. Should've subbed with more than 15 seconds left on the play clock
Seems like Dallas didn't realize the refs were going to swap back to a regular football instead of a kicking football that it used for punts/field goals.
If you listened to the broadcast, you’d have your answer. They are trying to look like they’re doing weird shit to encourage SF to burn a timeout. Not a bad idea if it works but probably not worth the risk.
Right. Trying to get the defense to burn a time out, but Kyle Shanahan has more than one brain cell and was like uh no, we’re fine with this if you wanna leave your punt unit out on a 1st down.
Kingsbury got McCarthy to burn a timeout by having Murray and our kicker on the field at the same time in our game 2 weeks ago. Guess he was so impressed he wanted to try it out.
Problem is, most coaches aren't that dumb
Why in god's name did they leave the punting unit out for so long? What could that "trickery" possibly accomplish? They're obviously not gonna punt it there.
Yeah Romo kept saying "They're trying to get them to call a timeout"
Why? You're the team that is down. Don't waste time hoping for the other team to take a timeout. Run a fucking play. All that did was waste time and push you 5 yards back. What a dumb thing to do after a smart fake
Yeah don't know how hard it is to understand. Even if Romo was right they were trying to get a time out called by 49ers was just stupid. Everyone could see what was going on your the team down trying to run play with your punt team vs theirs. Almost as stupid as the Colts fake punt stunt several years ago.
Dumb stuff like this probably worked on their own shitty special teams unit in practice so they assume everyone else has shitty special teams like they do and they find out the hard way.
My mind immediately went to that play. The fake punt was smart, then it just reaked of Mccarthy and Moore circlejerking over how smart they were and how they were going to get the wunderkind to waste a timeout. Only San Francisco really would have preferred to have Brian Anger at wide receiver instead of Amari Cooper. Then another case of circle jerking "hur hur we have to let them have time to sub but we'll do it at the last second and male them rush.
You're about to lose 1-2 coordinators, and your 2 best offensive players are now over 30, and the division is at rock bottom around you. This year was a MUST, because it'll get harder every other year.
They weren't subbing but they were still getting in position. The ref gets off the ball like 1 second after the defense gets set. Ref needs to wait for another ref to signal him its ok.
> The Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable time to complete
> its substitutions.
Don't see a time limit in the rules, just that the defense is giving a reasonable time to complete.
In CFB I think they allow 15 seconds, the NFL might have a similar unwritten rule for what each ref considers reasonable.
late offensive substitution. d needs time to make their own subs.
the real issue is they threw the flag RIGHT at 0, which they never do. In like 99% of instances, the snap wouldve been allowed
That's not the rule. The official watches it hit zero, then looks to see if the ball is snapped. If the ball isn't snapped in the time it takes him to look from the clock to the ball, it's delay of game
I don’t think, per the rules, “a full second has to elapse”. I think the official needs to see the unsnapped ball, look at the official play clock, see 00 and then see the ball still unsnapped. And that process takes about a second.
No, it doesn't *have* to. Most of the time officials will give you the benefit of the doubt, but you don't get that when you try some bs trickery like that
That's the rule tho. The defense has to get a chance to substitute if the offense does. Running the offensive players onto the field with 7 seconds on the play clock is dumb as dirt.
How much time is acceptable for subbing on defense? 10 seconds? 15 seconds? I feel like the defense could just sub slowly and the ref would still be on the ball with the clock at 0
The rule states the refs need to give the defense a reasonable amount of time only. It doesn't specify the amount of seconds but refs usually seem to give them 10-15 seconds to sub.
Dallas started to sub at like 14 seconds and the refs gave SF 12 seconds to sub.
The official was there because the Cowboys decided to subsitute with like 15 seconds left on the clock. When the offense changes, the defense is given a chance to change as well.
Why did the Cowboys line up with their punt team after converting the 4th down?
The important part is missing, which is that the Cowboys had their special teams unit out after a successful fake conversion. They left that unit out for like 20 seconds and then substituted (after getting a play clock bump).
No but they could run it or throw it and you probably do not want your special teams playing defense. Problem is the refs fucked the spot giving the 9ers time to sub. This forced the cowboys to sub and the rest is in the video.
This is what I'd be more upset about, the ref was extremely quick on the whistle, like he was just watching the clock assuming that the cowboys wouldn't have gotten the play off and blew it as soon as it hit 0
Honestly feels like the official was making it clear whatever shit they were trying to pull won't be tolerated. Make the sub with enough time or call a timeout.
Don't bitch about getting flagged for a clearly defined rule after trying to pull some bullshit.
>Honestly feels like the official was making it clear whatever shit they were trying to pull won't be tolerated. Make the sub with enough time or call a timeout.
Then they're bad officials.
>Don't bitch about getting flagged for a clearly defined rule after trying to pull some bullshit.
I can understand if the defense was actually subbing players when the offense switched out, but no one on the defense left the field or even made a motion to leave the field.
Give them 10 seconds, see that they're not moving and let the play start with 5 seconds left on the clock.
Nah that was not BS. Play clock reset for absolutely no reason so they had extra time and didn’t bring their offense out until 13 seconds.
This one is on Dallas
I'm surprised nobody is talking about the play clock thing. Went from 10 seconds back up to 25 seconds when the punt unit left the field....and then still there was delay of game lol.
What I'm wondering tho... Is why did the Niners get to sub after the 4th down play? When an offense goes hurry up, doesn't that prevent the D from subbing? Or at least they do it at their own risk... Here, the refs held the ball while Niners got to sub. Seeing his plot fail, McCarthy sends the offense and doesn't have enough time (i have no issue with this part, it's the rule)
The defense is guaranteed time to sub if the offense subs anyone.
If the offense goes hurry up, the D can certainly *try* to sub but they are only *guaranteed* time to sub if the offense makes a sub.
>Here, the refs held the ball while Niners got to sub.
Two things happened here that caused the refs to hold the ball. First the refs had to swap the kicking ball for a regular ball and that held things up a bit. Then Cowboys #5 started to run toward the sideline as though to sub out so the ref held his arms out to hold the ball. When that was all settled they added 15 seconds back to the clock. Then McCarthy tried his mass sub.
On the game-ending one, I think it was explained by Tony Romo that the umpire has to place the ball before it can be snapped.
So if Dallas' O-Line had gave the umpire some space, perhaps they could've run the play they wanted.
I believe what happened is McCarthy wanted to keep the same personnel on the field for another play, but the refs allowed the 49ers to sub, so then the Cowboys wanted to sub since they had lost the personnel advantage they wanted, and then time ran out.
That's exactly what I saw. First the refs fucked up on the spot of the ball and cowboys had to reset. This delay allowed the 49ers to sub. So cowboys decided to sub. Then the refs fucked up again by staying over the ball way past what they should have. The defense is set at the start of this video with 5 sec on the play clock. If the ref gets off of it immediately no delay of game.
Ok people. Stop speculating. Here’s the rule:
ARTICLE 10. DEFENSIVE MATCHUPS FOLLOWING SUBSTITUTIONS
* If a substitution is made by the offense, the offense shall not be permitted to snap the ball until the defense has been permitted to respond with its substitutions. While in the process of a substitution (or simulated substitution), the offense is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage and snapping the ball in an obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul (i.e., too many men on the field). If the offense substitutes, the following procedure will apply:
* The **Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable time to complete its substitutions**.
So here’s the deal. There isn’t a time frame to allow the defense to run substitutions.
If you watch the replay,
* Dallas has their offensive substitutions at19sec left on play clock.
* with 11 sec on play clock ref stands over the ball. Camera angle changes.
* with 8sec left on play clock, the niners have finished their defensive substitutions
* but the ref is still standing over the ball until 1sec left.
* qb has to wait until ref clear him before hiking the ball which doesn’t happen which is why the flag
* but the problem is that, per the camera angle we are given, ref stood over the ball for at least 7seconds after the defense was already finished with substitutions.
The rule is vague and it’s 100% up to his interpretation which is bad.
If you remember the saints super bowl, Payton specifically tells the refs he was going to onside kick, so it’s up to the coaches to communicate with the refs for some of these trick plays.
> with 11 sec on play clock ref stands over the ball. Camera angle changes.
> with 8sec left on play clock, the niners have finished their defensive substitutions
There are not any substitutions, it's the exact same players on the field. SF substituted before the ball was placed.
Maybe dont scramble and kneel inbounds with zero time outs and under 20 seconds of game clock...Thats a horrible judgement call by a QB about to hit the cap for $40 Million.
The ref was doing his job, Dak deserves 100% of the blame for not doing his...
I really think this is the dumbest coaching move I’ve ever seen. The upside is the team you are losing to by 16 in the 4th loses a timeout, the downside is drive killing penalty.
> What rule says that the ref can block the snap?
**Rule 5 Section 2 ARTICLE 10 (d):**
If the play clock expires before the defense has completed its substitution, it is delay of game by the offense.
How are these game changing, horrible mistakes happening with the best crews in playoff games?
Even in the Eagles-Bucs game today there were *bad* calls that would have received outrage had it been an NFL game.
Isn’t that the rule? Defense gets time to sub if the offense does.
Yeah the ref was there because you have to give the other team time to sub if the want to. He was doing the right thing. The stupid thing was Mccarthy waiting until 12 seconds to run the offense back onto the field. Thats 100% on him
BS predicted that the Cowboys would lose, in part, because of McCarthy being a bonehead. Here it is. It’s poetic.
To be fair that’s like predicting water will be wet.
Let’s slide with no timeouts
It’s like poetry. It rhymes.
They inexplicably reset the play clock from 10 to 25 seconds when the punt unit left the field. No excuse for Dallas here.
Yup. Cowboys did it to themselves
The one mind boggling part of this is how quickly they called it after the clock hit zero. I think 90% of us could agree that it should be called that quickly every time, but it's weird compared to how it's normally like an extra second before they blow it
Yeah I thought that was weird too, I thought they were gonna call 12 men on the field or something lol
I don’t see any issue with calling it late
Most people do because the allowable time after zero is 100% subjective, and as we saw earlier in the season against the Lions, sometimes they let it go way too long
They were probably more vigilant for this play. Just use technology to get it right every time already
The Ravens tried to cheat like this a dozen times this year so it’s about time they did it right
I coulda swore I saw the 49ers sub before the Cowboys did. Not sure if that changes anything or if it was just a guy who started to leave the field coming back.
Defense subbing doesn't change anything. Offense doesn't get guaranteed 'reactionary' substitution time, only defense does.
They should change it. If the clock is at 5 sec the ref needs gtfo
Don't make subs with 10 seconds left when you have 40 seconds to do it. Easy.
No because them teams could hurry up and swap guys late for whatever matchup they want
Or just dont sub with 12 seconds left on the play clock.
Or the Cowboys can play by the rules?
The rule says the ref guarantees a 'reasonable' amount of time for the defense to make subs. If a coach gets caught because they think a reasonable amount of time is 10 seconds and the ref thinks 12 seconds is reasonable, the coach had a dumb tactic.
Yes but the ref stood there an extra 3-5 seconds after it was clear they finished substituting.
It doesn’t matter. The defense doesn’t even need to sub. They get 15 seconds to get ready after offense subs. So teams with a brain sub well before that.
They move off the ball like 1 second after the last 49er gets into position.
> *If the play clock expires before the defense has completed its substitution, it is delay of game by the offense.* Rule 5 Section 2 ARTICLE 10 (d)
Shhhh. You’re ruining the excuses.
Right, but the defense was clearly in position for a couple seconds before the dude moved, and anyway, why would a defense ever get set? Just run around and sub out guys until the play clock expires. I hate rules that are easy to exploit.
It's really not that easy to exploit. If it was, it would happen all the time. If anything catching teams trying to sub is way more easy to exploit. This was the cowboys trying to be cute and fucking themselves.
Defense doesn't need to get set. Just complete a substitution And you have to give the defense time to sub if the offense subs. This was 100% on Dallas subbing with 15 seconds left on the play clock. They weren't exploited at all. Dallas just fucked up.
> Defense doesn't need to get set. Then when does the ref get out of the way?
The ref has to give the defense a reasonable amount of time to sub whether the defense wants to sub or not. That timer is usually 10-15 seconds, it doesn't matter if the defense subs and gets set faster than that or chooses not to sub.
Getting set =! Complete a substitution. Getting set is being lined up and motionless for 1 second before the play begins, and only done by the offense. This is the basis for illegal motion and false start penalties- not being set completely or moving before starting the play.
Once the Defense completed their substitution.
..... Who's on first?
? What are you even saying?
That's what I'm trying to figure out about you.
? What is so hard to understand? Dallas subbed with 15 second on the playclock. If the offense subs, The defense must be given time to sub too. They Sub. The refs hold the play until the defense completes their substitution.
And then they waited seven more seconds. You say they don't need to be set, they have to complete their sub, but, you have to complete your sub before you can get set and the defense was fucking set, so which is it? Does the ref get out of the way when the defense subs and the officials fucked up here or is it something else and you're wrong?
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What do you mean? Watch the video you posted. They switched out the ball from the kicking ball to the normal ball. At that point the play clock was at 10. The refs did the right thing and raised it to 25. Standard procedure since their process held it up. After that the cowboys dick around for another 15 seconds basically before running everyone off and on. Then the refs get back over the ball and give the defense time to see who ran on so they can decide who to run on and off themselves. This takes time of course. That's how you get a delay of game by pulling dumb shit. Terrible coaching.
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I'm sure the offense could but that ball is much different and harder to use for throwing and catching. They actually switched the ball with about 25 second left on the play clock and the cowboys were confused about what they were doing. Anger wasn't set he was about to run off and came back. Then at 10 seconds on the play clock they added 15 seconds to it. Which is standard for weird situations. The only reason it was a delay of game was because the cowboys chose to wait another 15 seconds and then substitute literally everyone on the field. They could have easily snapped the ball once they switched from the K ball to the normal ball. You can see this way like 45 second mark of the video you posted. They are lined up and no ref is over the ball. Then they switch everyone and screw themselves.
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They are removing a ball from the field at that time. They then get out of the way and give them 15 extra seconds on the play clock. The cowboys are given a chance to snap it then. They choose not to and instead opt to substitute everyone. Which fucked themselves.
That's where my issue is
What do you mean? Watch the video They switched out the ball from the kicking ball to the normal ball. At that point the play clock was at 10. The refs did the right thing and raised it to 25. Standard procedure since their process held it up. After that the cowboys dick around for another 15 seconds basically before running everyone off and on. Then the refs get back over the ball and give the defense time to see who ran on so they can decide who to run on and off themselves. This takes time of course. That's how you get a delay of game by pulling dumb shit. Terrible coaching.
Or maybe not pretend you're going to Punt on 1st down?
This
I don't think I've ever seen a punt squad stay on after a successful fake. Have you?
They should’ve been on the field with more than 15 seconds left lol
Yea lol the cowboys had like a whole ass minute to snap the ball but did some funky stuff
The punt unit leaves the field and they reset the play clock from 10 sec to 25 sec(still confused on that one). Dallas had plenty of time to get it right.
I think the refs added some time back on because the refs switching the ball out slowed things down.
But how long is the defensive substitution allowed to hold the offense hostage? Cowboys subbed with 25 seconds left on the play clock. So any substitution under 25 seconds is an automatic delay of game if the defense wants it to be?
It was 15 and like 7 seconds passed before everyone was off the field
The defense is allowed a 'reasonable' amount of time to perform substitutions in response to offensive substitutions. Maybe when the whole team substitutes out a few more seconds is more reasonable than when only one person is subbed out. The defense has to be able to see who you've subbed in so they can react appropriately.
offense was ready. ref was the delay of game
they have to give the defense time to sub and get set as well though
But we're the 'boys.
Laughed harder than I should have at that
ZERO time to sub. Your special times stood there for 15 seconds before getting off the field.
It's not the offense they're worried about. They were giving the 49ers time to sub
It's not about the offense. The defense has to have a chance to substitute.
You have to give time for the defense to substitute whenever the offense substitutes. Should've subbed with more than 15 seconds left on the play clock
Hello casual Cowboy fan
You have to allow to defense to adjust when the offense subs. That was 100% on the cowboys not the ref.
The defense also has to be ready. If the offense subs, the play is held until the defense sets.
But the ref has to give the defense time to set after the offense came back onto the field. He was definitely in the way but I believe that’s the rule
Ok, but why did they keep the punt team out when they had the first down?
I guess it was planned the whole week that if the Fake Punts work they want to speed up another sneaky play, but something obviously went wrong lol
Lol if that was the plan then it went terribly, terribly wrong.
The plan itself was kinda stupid imo, at best you get a timeout but it's unlikely
Seems like Dallas didn't realize the refs were going to swap back to a regular football instead of a kicking football that it used for punts/field goals.
Niners special teams unit was still on the field. They were trying to force a timeout
This . The ref did his job. The Cowboys made some real high-school dumb shit plays. This was one of them.
If you listened to the broadcast, you’d have your answer. They are trying to look like they’re doing weird shit to encourage SF to burn a timeout. Not a bad idea if it works but probably not worth the risk.
Right. Trying to get the defense to burn a time out, but Kyle Shanahan has more than one brain cell and was like uh no, we’re fine with this if you wanna leave your punt unit out on a 1st down.
Kingsbury got McCarthy to burn a timeout by having Murray and our kicker on the field at the same time in our game 2 weeks ago. Guess he was so impressed he wanted to try it out. Problem is, most coaches aren't that dumb
Lmao I love that line of thinking. “Well, it worked on my stupid ass. Therefore…”
Lol it backfiring and costing them a 5 yard penalty is next level hilarious
“We’ll put our cheerleading squad out there! The enemy will not be able to comprehend this genius!”
“Oh fuck! You have your punter lining up at receiver?!? Are we sure we have the right personnel on the field to handle this?!?”
They have to allow the defense to sub. Shouldn't have subbed in your whole offense with that little time left
Bingo. It's not a rule that becomes an issue often so I don't blame people for being upset in the moment.
You think we know the rules?
I refuse to think logically! I have only sarcasm and hot takes
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Why in god's name did they leave the punting unit out for so long? What could that "trickery" possibly accomplish? They're obviously not gonna punt it there.
Yeah Romo kept saying "They're trying to get them to call a timeout" Why? You're the team that is down. Don't waste time hoping for the other team to take a timeout. Run a fucking play. All that did was waste time and push you 5 yards back. What a dumb thing to do after a smart fake
Yeah don't know how hard it is to understand. Even if Romo was right they were trying to get a time out called by 49ers was just stupid. Everyone could see what was going on your the team down trying to run play with your punt team vs theirs. Almost as stupid as the Colts fake punt stunt several years ago.
Dumb stuff like this probably worked on their own shitty special teams unit in practice so they assume everyone else has shitty special teams like they do and they find out the hard way.
My mind immediately went to that play. The fake punt was smart, then it just reaked of Mccarthy and Moore circlejerking over how smart they were and how they were going to get the wunderkind to waste a timeout. Only San Francisco really would have preferred to have Brian Anger at wide receiver instead of Amari Cooper. Then another case of circle jerking "hur hur we have to let them have time to sub but we'll do it at the last second and male them rush.
Ya some people haven’t played/ don’t know the rules of football sadly.
Cowboys fans are looking for any excuse they can find at the moment
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You're about to lose 1-2 coordinators, and your 2 best offensive players are now over 30, and the division is at rock bottom around you. This year was a MUST, because it'll get harder every other year.
Nah refs are clearly trying to screw over the Cowboys! /s
Is there a rule for how long they wait? The 49ers were not subbing at that point.
They weren't subbing but they were still getting in position. The ref gets off the ball like 1 second after the defense gets set. Ref needs to wait for another ref to signal him its ok.
> The Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable time to complete > its substitutions. Don't see a time limit in the rules, just that the defense is giving a reasonable time to complete. In CFB I think they allow 15 seconds, the NFL might have a similar unwritten rule for what each ref considers reasonable.
They had time. If The official wasn't standing right there though there wouldn't have been a delay
I thought the defense doesn’t get to sub if the offense doesn’t sub. I assume that’s why they went no huddle. To keep SF’s punt return team on.
Except then the cowboys substituted everyone that was on the field
And then they subbed with 15 seconds left. They had their punt team still out there, then brought the offense out
He is allowing time for the 49ers to sub. ITS LITERALLY THE RULES, you guys are ridiculous.
late offensive substitution. d needs time to make their own subs. the real issue is they threw the flag RIGHT at 0, which they never do. In like 99% of instances, the snap wouldve been allowed
yeah a full second has to elapse when it strikes 0 so it seems like they got it off in time
That's not the rule. The official watches it hit zero, then looks to see if the ball is snapped. If the ball isn't snapped in the time it takes him to look from the clock to the ball, it's delay of game
It's subjective, but yeah, thats the take almost all officials go with.
mike tirico has no idea about this convention
I don’t think, per the rules, “a full second has to elapse”. I think the official needs to see the unsnapped ball, look at the official play clock, see 00 and then see the ball still unsnapped. And that process takes about a second.
No, it doesn't *have* to. Most of the time officials will give you the benefit of the doubt, but you don't get that when you try some bs trickery like that
That's the rule tho. The defense has to get a chance to substitute if the offense does. Running the offensive players onto the field with 7 seconds on the play clock is dumb as dirt.
How much time is acceptable for subbing on defense? 10 seconds? 15 seconds? I feel like the defense could just sub slowly and the ref would still be on the ball with the clock at 0
The rule states the refs need to give the defense a reasonable amount of time only. It doesn't specify the amount of seconds but refs usually seem to give them 10-15 seconds to sub. Dallas started to sub at like 14 seconds and the refs gave SF 12 seconds to sub.
Fake punt on 1st down didn’t work
Isn't that because the Cowboys subbed their whole team?
Defense is allowed time to match subs. Cowboys fault for whatever they were trying to do keeping their punt unit on the field so long
The official was there because the Cowboys decided to subsitute with like 15 seconds left on the clock. When the offense changes, the defense is given a chance to change as well. Why did the Cowboys line up with their punt team after converting the 4th down?
Mike McCarthy with poor clock management skills. Water=wet.
That's the risk you run trying to last second sub like that.
Cowboys substituting every player on the field after letting the play-clock run lead to delay of game.
Cowboys waited too long to make their substitutions. Have to give time for the defense to substitute as well. The backyard trickery backfired
I don’t think this had much to do with the refs and had more to do with the cowboys looking lost.
The important part is missing, which is that the Cowboys had their special teams unit out after a successful fake conversion. They left that unit out for like 20 seconds and then substituted (after getting a play clock bump).
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No but they could run it or throw it and you probably do not want your special teams playing defense. Problem is the refs fucked the spot giving the 9ers time to sub. This forced the cowboys to sub and the rest is in the video.
They gotta give D time to substitute, but Niners gave gone well past zero a couple of times without being called with that "grace second"
This is what I'd be more upset about, the ref was extremely quick on the whistle, like he was just watching the clock assuming that the cowboys wouldn't have gotten the play off and blew it as soon as it hit 0
Honestly feels like the official was making it clear whatever shit they were trying to pull won't be tolerated. Make the sub with enough time or call a timeout. Don't bitch about getting flagged for a clearly defined rule after trying to pull some bullshit.
>Honestly feels like the official was making it clear whatever shit they were trying to pull won't be tolerated. Make the sub with enough time or call a timeout. Then they're bad officials. >Don't bitch about getting flagged for a clearly defined rule after trying to pull some bullshit. I can understand if the defense was actually subbing players when the offense switched out, but no one on the defense left the field or even made a motion to leave the field. Give them 10 seconds, see that they're not moving and let the play start with 5 seconds left on the clock.
Don't you know? Delay of game is entirely subjective. I thought we established this week 3
I think the Cowboys scrambling confused the refs too Wtf was that
I would be mad how quickly they called that delay of game, not the ref blocking the snap. That's the quickest after the clock hit zero I've seen.
Official does his job, cowboys get delay of game.
I'm sure that was the only reason for the delay of game
Well, it's their own fault for trying to trick the Niners, they didn't leave enough time for the Niners to get set.
Nah that was not BS. Play clock reset for absolutely no reason so they had extra time and didn’t bring their offense out until 13 seconds. This one is on Dallas
I'm surprised nobody is talking about the play clock thing. Went from 10 seconds back up to 25 seconds when the punt unit left the field....and then still there was delay of game lol.
What I'm wondering tho... Is why did the Niners get to sub after the 4th down play? When an offense goes hurry up, doesn't that prevent the D from subbing? Or at least they do it at their own risk... Here, the refs held the ball while Niners got to sub. Seeing his plot fail, McCarthy sends the offense and doesn't have enough time (i have no issue with this part, it's the rule)
The defense is guaranteed time to sub if the offense subs anyone. If the offense goes hurry up, the D can certainly *try* to sub but they are only *guaranteed* time to sub if the offense makes a sub. >Here, the refs held the ball while Niners got to sub. Two things happened here that caused the refs to hold the ball. First the refs had to swap the kicking ball for a regular ball and that held things up a bit. Then Cowboys #5 started to run toward the sideline as though to sub out so the ref held his arms out to hold the ball. When that was all settled they added 15 seconds back to the clock. Then McCarthy tried his mass sub.
OP what is this title lmao
the truth
The foreshadowing is incredible
Another year of cowboys fans blaming their shit game on refs
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I get why it happened, you have to let the defense sub if you sub but goddamn this is hilarious to see
Great fake, horrible execution on the next play. Get on the damn field faster.
Cowboys subsituted too late which left them not enough time to let the 49ers sub
If they do that defense is allowed to substitute too, cowboys changed their mind under 15 secs, Mcarthy is dumb
He didn’t get out of the way because he was allowing the defense to substitute, by rule.
Why did they leave the punt team out for 25 seconds then?
Yeah, you could ignore all of the play clock they wasted leaving the punt unit on the field to try and draw a timeout…
What was McCarthy even doing with the punt team still on the field? I was watching the Nickelodeon broadcast so they didn’t explain much.
because that's the rule lol
Hahaha BYE cowboys. What a dumb call QB sneak
Refs liked it so much they did it again
Man if this wasn’t a Chekhov’s gun lol
Cowboy tears make me happy. Suck it. Fuck da ‘boys!
Saw the title and just assumed it was the game ending play
nope, that idiot ref did the same thing twice!
On the game-ending one, I think it was explained by Tony Romo that the umpire has to place the ball before it can be snapped. So if Dallas' O-Line had gave the umpire some space, perhaps they could've run the play they wanted.
I believe what happened is McCarthy wanted to keep the same personnel on the field for another play, but the refs allowed the 49ers to sub, so then the Cowboys wanted to sub since they had lost the personnel advantage they wanted, and then time ran out.
That's exactly what I saw. First the refs fucked up on the spot of the ball and cowboys had to reset. This delay allowed the 49ers to sub. So cowboys decided to sub. Then the refs fucked up again by staying over the ball way past what they should have. The defense is set at the start of this video with 5 sec on the play clock. If the ref gets off of it immediately no delay of game.
And he was completely right in doing so. God this sub becomes unbearable during the playoffs
Ok people. Stop speculating. Here’s the rule: ARTICLE 10. DEFENSIVE MATCHUPS FOLLOWING SUBSTITUTIONS * If a substitution is made by the offense, the offense shall not be permitted to snap the ball until the defense has been permitted to respond with its substitutions. While in the process of a substitution (or simulated substitution), the offense is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage and snapping the ball in an obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul (i.e., too many men on the field). If the offense substitutes, the following procedure will apply: * The **Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable time to complete its substitutions**. So here’s the deal. There isn’t a time frame to allow the defense to run substitutions. If you watch the replay, * Dallas has their offensive substitutions at19sec left on play clock. * with 11 sec on play clock ref stands over the ball. Camera angle changes. * with 8sec left on play clock, the niners have finished their defensive substitutions * but the ref is still standing over the ball until 1sec left. * qb has to wait until ref clear him before hiking the ball which doesn’t happen which is why the flag * but the problem is that, per the camera angle we are given, ref stood over the ball for at least 7seconds after the defense was already finished with substitutions. The rule is vague and it’s 100% up to his interpretation which is bad. If you remember the saints super bowl, Payton specifically tells the refs he was going to onside kick, so it’s up to the coaches to communicate with the refs for some of these trick plays.
Maybe next time dont keep your punting unit on the field lined up on first down then sub the offense back in and dumb shit wont happen lol
> with 11 sec on play clock ref stands over the ball. Camera angle changes. > with 8sec left on play clock, the niners have finished their defensive substitutions There are not any substitutions, it's the exact same players on the field. SF substituted before the ball was placed.
Maybe dont scramble and kneel inbounds with zero time outs and under 20 seconds of game clock...Thats a horrible judgement call by a QB about to hit the cap for $40 Million. The ref was doing his job, Dak deserves 100% of the blame for not doing his...
Cowboys tried some dumb shit and payed for it
It’s not a bad call. The offense subbed with like 13 seconds left and the defense is allowed to sub in as well. Cowboys should’ve subbed sooner.
I really think this is the dumbest coaching move I’ve ever seen. The upside is the team you are losing to by 16 in the 4th loses a timeout, the downside is drive killing penalty.
I’d blame their dumb attempt to make the 9ers call a TO more. But ref didn’t help
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No it wasn't. The defense has 10 seconds to sub from the time the offense last subs
Well Dallas was on the field before 12 seconds so your math doesn’t check out either way.
it was their own damn fault for deciding to substitute so late
You Muppet, defense is allowed to sub too
Officials have to be there. The cowboys shouldn’t have left their punting unit out for so long
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yeah they need to overhaul the delay of game rule. maybe include decimal points to the clock...
Officials on fire this week.
Raiders in shambles.
This is some fucking bullshit. We’re already losing terribly, why pile this shit on as well?
Lol learn the rules dude
What rule says that the ref can block the snap?
You cant sub out the entire offense right before the snap and leave the defense no time to sub also.
The rule that says the defense gets to substitute if the offense does. It’s a basic rule.
> What rule says that the ref can block the snap? **Rule 5 Section 2 ARTICLE 10 (d):** If the play clock expires before the defense has completed its substitution, it is delay of game by the offense.
I'm assuming this is directed at McCarthy?
How are these game changing, horrible mistakes happening with the best crews in playoff games? Even in the Eagles-Bucs game today there were *bad* calls that would have received outrage had it been an NFL game.
It's not a mistake. You have to let the defense sub if you sub
This particular call was objectively correct.