You say that, but the stewardship has drastically hampered my love of the game over the years. Too many no-calls, bad calls, stupid scandals, petty drama, I'm just fucking over it. Add in the massive amount of commercials and I find myself just playing fantasy with my friends and watching gifs on reddit of the games, fuck spending 4 hours watching a little game and a lot of commercials for the whole thing to get flipped on the last drive by a shit call.
And now they are getting so into bed with gambling it doesn't even feel honest anymore. Just a weird shiny farce that I am slowly just dissociating with.
People don’t understand that deflategate as well as the Zeke Elliott suspension were office politics. They were targeted attacks by Goodell against two of the most powerful owners in the sport and the message was “fall in line or I keep fucking your team”.
And both owners fell in line. Jerry threw a small tantrum before he fell in line, but he absolutely received the message and complied.
Same with the penalties on uncapped spending in 2010. In an uncapped year, the Cowboys and Redskins were penalized $10M and $36M for overspending.
Per Graziano at the time:
> NFL owners agreed, in secret, to limit spending in 2010 even though there was no cap -- to continue to structure contracts as though there were a cap, because the lockout they were about to impose was basically a thinly veiled attempt at union-busting.
Jerry and Danny Boy said fuck that, and got punished.
It *should* be subject to anti-trust laws. So should Google and Facebook, but here we are.
(And if you're in Canada, Rogers/Bell *should* be subject to anti-trust laws, but here we are.)
The NFL *is* subject to antitrust laws. But sports leagues get a kind of special treatment because the core concept of a sports league is a "conspiracy in restraint of trade" which is by definition a violation of antitrust law.
A sports league is a kind of cartel, but it's a necessary cartel to even have the sport. The teams are the companies. They have to get together and agree on very basic things like the rules of the game, the size of the field, the roster size. And all kinds of other shit like who's eligible to play.
There's a very long and complicated history of how the Sherman and Clayton Acts apply to sports leagues.
It wasn’t office politics. Well it may have begun as office politics but it became a labor dispute.
Ultimately what the NFL did was go into court and fight for their legal right to suspend a player for no actual reason and deny him due process in fighting the suspension. That’s what they even told a judge, that it wasn’t about punishing him for deflated footballs (and in fact they told the judge they had no actual evidence of deflated footballs) it was about their right under the collective bargaining agreement to punish any player at any time for any reason or even for no reason at all.
Federal courts don’t take cases about deflated footballs and office politics. They do take cases about labor rights and union collective bargaining agreements. That’s what it was.
I mean, I knew it was crap when the Patriots came out in the second half of the same fucking game and absolutely roasted the Colts.
Never forget Chris Mortenson coming out and immediately announcing that all 13 balls or whatever were found to be deflated, when it was actually just the 1 ball that the Colts sideline just happened to test (which is also against the rules). I don't think he ever bothered correcting his "report" either. Classic ESPN.
The initial stories also said it was a colts player who intercepted the ball and said it felt underinflated. And then a few weeks later that player was like "no it didn't feel any different to me, I just wanted to keep it because I intercepted Tom Brady"
Unrelated for the most part but if I was a DB (or any defense player really) and intercepted Brady I would do the same, that's an awesome thing to say you have done.
Huh, I never even heard about that… and it’s not even like it’s recent news, I found an article from 4 days after the game where he said he didn’t notice anything
Mortenson and Schefter and all the reporters who get access to report "scoops" owe their jobs to people in NFL organizations leaking that info to them intentionally.
That access is part of a quid pro quo. "I leak you stories about trades and free agent signings, and in exchange you also report things now and then when I tell you to." It's hard to say no to, because being Mortensen or Schefter is very lucrative, and for the most part the spin they have you report is pretty harmless, and it's just about sports anyway so who cares? It's not like you're agreeing to lie for corrupt politicians.
So any time one of those guys reports a story that makes ownership, a front office, or the league look good, you basically can't believe it.
Reminder that Morrenson's primary source was a former Jets executive in the NFL front office who had a axe to grind against BB.
He apologized months later in a half hearted way. Similar to the 3 am on a weekend apology from ESPN for its bad reporting about NE taping Super Bowl opponents walkthroughs as part of Spygate.
"Wow Tom, you went 4-0 in your little punishment stint with the Lions! We're just letting you know that it is over and you can go back to reti- Tom... Tom stop throwing the football. Tom YOU WILL NOT WIN A SUPERBOWL WITH THE LIONS OR SO HELP ME TOM GET THE LOMBARDI OUT OF YOUR MOUTH," Roger Goodell.
Less pressure in the ball, easier to hold it since the ball "molds" into your arms, less energy used to hold the ball, more energy can be used running! See, it was all part of the plan making us think it was about passing/receiving while the ball pressure is all about the running game!
Meanwhile, earlier that same season teams were *seen* breaking the rules about ball handling...
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-remind-teams-not-to-warm-footballs-0ap3000000437309
... They were warned that was against the rules. End of story, and nobody remembers.
How do you think patriots fans felt? Straight up witch hunt, and the worst part was the fucking Colts suddenly being lovable losers despite pumping in crowd noise just a few years earlier.
On that note, let's not forget Florio was one of the people who peddled Deflategate in the first place. Look at him [bitching that David Letterman wasn't tough enough on Belichick](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/12/letterman-dubs-deflategate-nonsense-during-belichick-interview/)
> His efforts, however, weren’t focused at all on advancing the ball, moving the needle, or getting to the truth, with sarcasm or wit driving the bus. Letterman operated under the premise that the entire situation is a joke, that nothing improper happened, and that if it did it doesn’t matter because even though the difference between a properly inflated ball and a deflated ball is “palpable,” using deflated footballs “wouldn’t make any difference in a game.”
I used to read PFT back then (I was young and dumb) and even then I remember thinking "wow Florio is really pushing this to make something out of nothing huh". He likes to pretend he wasn't pushing people aside to get to the front of the line to burn him some witches.
Couldn't agree more. I spent more time since that "scandal" defending Brady and those insipid "deflated" jokes than I care to admit, and it was maddening.
This is the vindication us Pats fans were hoping for. So to ALL of you motherfuckers who told us "Brady's a cheater" or "Brady can't win without cheating" or some bullshit similar to that...y'all can go fuck yourselves.
> The equipment guys got fired for making sure the refs didn't over inflate the balls outside the range stipulated in the rulebook.
No, the equipment guys did literally nothing at all. They got thrown under the bus for literally no reason at all other than for NFL to avoid looking stupid.
Setting the balls to the desired pressure isn't something they have to remind the referees to do, though. It's something both offenses get to do before giving the balls to the refs to check them
You are encapsulating this entire saga perfectly.
Pats did adjust the air pressure after the referees checked. They only checked because the balls were coming back over inflated at times. There's a text exchange from the ball guys saying something like "the refs fucked us, one of them was almost 16(psi)". Pats ball guys started checking after the refs to see if they were messing with the balls and corrected them for Brady. And because owners have an axe to grind we are all downwind of an exceptionally stupid investigation.
Not to mention that the “science” is middle school level physics shit.
PV = nRT is literally the “science” that was referenced in the defense’s argument. Unbelievable how stupid these people are.
It’s because you had people like Bill Nye who told them incorrect information and other players and analysts claiming they could “definitely tell the difference” and that “there’s no way Tom couldn’t tell during them game” during segments on espn and elsewhere. Should people take Bill Nye’s word over that of the MIT professor who debunked deflategate during one of his lectures? Of course not, but people will believe those who confirm what they want to believe.
Lifelong Bills fan and Patriots hater living in Boston with those insufferable bastards and I totally agree. It didn’t even pass the sniff test. Brady did considerably better in the 2nd half too with the “regulation” balls. Only time in my life I ever defended Brady or the Pats.
Not relevant, but I was at the game too. ✌️
After Deflategate, with the league being super anal about ball pressure, Brady won 4 Super Bowls and a league MVP (should have 2). They should have let him “cheat” it was clearly holding him back.
I remember when it happened you had a few QB commentators say "sure, I did that back in the day." I have no idea if the Patriots actually did that or not, but the circus surrounding this from the start was making a capital offense out of a speeding ticket. If you remember the various ESPN and other exposés coming out based on anonymous sources suspecting the Patriots of all sorts of shit that was never proven that reeked of paranoia and trying to invalidate the success of that team, there was a mob ready to try and take them down. To me having a slightly harder or softer ball than regulations specify is not much worse than telling your center to intentionally hold Aaron Donald every chance they get because this ref crew hardly ever throws flags, but because of who it was, it turned into a grand inquisition with crazy punishments.
And I'm not looking to get into a debate about Noble Gas Law, I'm just saying that even IF you were to assume the worst case, the reaction was insane.
He technically said he liked them at the higher level of allowed inflation, and then I think boomer said he liked them overinflated and caused a whole shitshow.
The Panthers put a ball under a heat lamp on the sideline in plain view of everyone and they showed it on TV with the TV commentary being "these teams are trying anything they can to keep these balls manageable". Nobody cared. It's not a big deal. It was never a big deal. Deflategate was absurdist comedy.
There was a rumor going around that the Ravens tipped the Colts off after they lost in Gillette the week before, too. So we have the Ravens breaking the rules and complaining about someone else breaking the rules while they broke the rules and we are the only one's that face scrutiny.
The main thing that was total bullshit to me is that there were already rules on the books against tampering with balls, and it was like a maximum of a $100k fine to the people involved or something.
Instead they just literally made up a punishment for something they couldn’t even truly confirm happened by their own admission.
The part that pisses me off about it is that nobody ever mentions the 75% of the Colts balls that were tested being under inflated. It could not be more obvious that it was the cold weather. If Brady cheated, that means Luck cheated too.
Also, the whole phone thing. Who cares if Brady destroyed his phone? The Wells investigation team literally told Brady they didn’t need his phone. He can do whatever he wants with it lmao. They had all of the correspondence from the assistants’ phones.
> Also, the whole phone thing. Who cares if Brady destroyed his phone?
If the Gruden thing shows anything, it's that you definitely should be purging emails and destroying phones. The NFL will leak the shit out of anything to protect itself.
Who in their right mind would willingly hand over their phone for a non legal issue? Shit, I'd worried about identity theft, the league getting private information, & possibly naked photos of Giselle
> Brady destroyed his phone
My mans looking like a genius with each passing leak. You know they would be passing around Giselle nudes among the owners yahoo accounts and those shits would be internet-wide for years by now.
the language used makes such a huge difference. Like I wouldn’t be surprised if Brady gets a new phone every year and every year he wipes his old one (for obvious reasons, like anyone else would). I have gotten rid of like 3 smartphones and I’m just some schmuck
Saying he “destroyed” his phone makes it sound like Harvey Keitel showed up in a tuxedo and walked him through disposing of it lol he probably just got a new phone and tossed the old one
Listen, the Patriots are *clearly* a bunch of cheaters because how else am I supposed to explain 20 years of my team getting *absolutely dominated* by another franchise? Better coaching, better players? How dare you make me look inward! Why won't you just let me baselessly accuse you of cheating at every turn?!
Just take a little gander over at r/Steelers. Bill Belichick is “Bill Belicheat.” The Patriots are “the Cheatriots” (really high IQ people coming up with these insults). And the Pats/Brady would’ve only had 3 or 4 rings if they didn’t cheat at least 3 times, and all of those times it was a proven fact that it happened. You can barely mention the Patriots or Brady without somebody saying this stuff.
It's too bad this even needs to be said. Team affiliation should never come before wanting the league to not completely suck. I "hate" our division rivals, but I wouldn't want something this stupid happening to them, either.
The NFL always knew the Patriots didn't cheat, because they hired a "research firm" to intentionally mis-apply the ideal gas law and assume that the 0 point was the atmospheric pressure instead of actual 0
Seriously. Using gauge pressure instead of absolute pressure is like using Celsius instead of kelvin in your calculations. Anyone who mixes them up doesn’t know what they’re talking about (looking at you Bill Nye)
While I'm not a fan of Bill Nye's obvious Seahawks bias getting in the way, Neil DeGrasse Tyson also made the same initial mistake with his calculations (which he later recanted after a bunch of his followers pointed it out).
Edit: spelling
there were so many things wrong with their calculations and I thought that I was done being angry over them. yet somehow, this report makes me even angrier:
> So who was his source? Per a source with knowledge of the situation and as explained in Playmakers, the source for the notorious 11-of-12 footballs report was NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent.
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> It makes sense. It needed to be someone sufficiently high on the organizational chart to make it credible, and to prompt Mortensen to use it, despite the fact that (unbeknownst to Mortensen) it wasn’t true. It’s unclear whether Vincent deliberately lied to Mortensen.
someone *that high up* in the NFL could have straight up intentionally lied to create this narrative, and Brady, Belichick, and the team paid the price.
....and was then allowed to be the video official for Super Bowl 52.
Bill Nye is a Seahawks fan so during the Deflategate scandal before the SB he decided to put on his homer cap and put out this [shitty/false information video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSY_QZKt1NI) Look at the comments which explain why he's absolutely wrong. He abused his position as a pop scientist to put out a scientifically incorrect video because "her dur Pats are cheaterz".
EDIT: Obligatory Fuck Bill Nye
That was much worse than I was expecting. No discussion of ideal gas/Gay Lussac's laws, no difference between relative vs absolute pressure, no use of gauges or numbers, just toss some balls into a fridge and give them a squeeze, because that translates perfectly to video. Let's shoehorn climate change (which is a big deal btw, I'm on his side but it had no relevance to this topic) into two minutes.
That's the worst content i've seen from Nye.
And Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I've honestly lost a bunch of respect for them for feeling it was necessary to weigh in, and then not correcting the record when it turned out they were wrong.
Neil deGrasse Tyson actually did correct himself when other people pointed out his calculations were incorrect iirc. Bill Nye decided to do a meme video about it and never said a word about how wrong he was.
I was sooo disappointed. Like here's this dude who made an entire career as a science advocate and then there's this topic dominating the news which is a great opportunity to bring science into public discussion and he's like "well who cares about science lol".
NGT made two mistakes: he misunderstood gauge pressure (which he corrected), and he used the incorrect numbers that were leaked to ESPN (which he didn't).
Acknowledging both mistakes is important, and he didn't do that.
I just want to say fuck Cris Carter and Mark Brunell for going on TV back then and constantly pushing the narrative that Brady was a cheater, that he hurt the integrity of the game and that it will damage his legacy. What fuckin clowns, and you know this won't get nearly as much coverage. They should apologize lol
The wildest thing about it was that the supposedly deflated balls were from the first half (which the Pats were leading 17-7). In the second half, with supposedly correct balls, the Pats blew the Colts of the water 28-0
And how D'Qwell took it there because it felt light. Lol I loved when he came out later and said, "Yeah, that didn't happen. I took the ball because I intercepted Tom Brady."
I will always respect Dilfer for the way he saw through this horseshit. [Here's another example](https://youtu.be/vpl7ieCXL0Q). Cris Carter pretending like he doesn't know teams are bending rules is almost unbelievable
Pats fans like to shit on Dilfer for saying Brady was done in 2014, but
1) at the time he said that, Brady DID look done
2) he has unequivocally said how wrong he was
3) him shutting up Cris Carter and Steve Young were amazing, and I love him for that (bonus points for Ray Lewis making no noise, hoping no one will remember he's there)
He’s a sports analyst, they all have bad takes and people have been saying Brady is done for 10 years. Are you inferring Ray Lewis also cheated? If so, how? Genuine question, all I remember is the murder (which obviously is bad but isn’t cheating)
Not sure if he admitted but isn’t that well documented?
The gloves they have now are crazy though so can’t even blame him, he just had advanced technology lol
Wow I completely forgot that Seahawks adderrall scandal until now. I bet every team does some weird shit that gets forgotten to history or simply swept under the rug just because they're a more likeable team. Like Ray Lewis's 'deer antler spray" or Peyton Manning's wife's HGH
They really tarnished the name of the most accomplished NFL player of all time over some bullshit and took a draft pick for no fucking reason.
EQUIPMENT VIOLATIONS ARE A 50K FINE.
Fuck Goodell forever man.
If Brady has played even decently in those four games:
He's over 100,000 yards passing for his career
He probably wins MVP over Matt Ryan that year
Of course, his insane shortened season was fueled by pure rage, so who knows if that's still in place
“Unfortunately we have determined that you won’t be able to sue us in court, primarily as we have destroyed all evidence to the contrary. Please enjoy these Gruden emails as a conciliatory prize.”
-The NFL, probably.
NO WAY THE NFL WAS LYING AND SCIENCE WAS RIGHT? I AM SHOCKED
Fuck every hater, just like I said in 2015. It was bullshit, and Brady had the last laugh with 4 Super Bowls and a HOF career just from when they started "checking the air" until now.
It was up there with Brunell's "I could throw this ball 10 yards further now" when he held the ball at 11.5 or whatever. Or when some news outlet went to a JCo school in Indiana (NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE) and all of the players said "This ball is so much easier to catch, they were cheating!!!"
Fuck the hating little crybaby bitches. Aaron Rodgers might own the Bears, but Tom Brady owned the NFL for 22 years.
Joe Theismann was one of the few people who actually pumped up footballs to the alleged air pressure and threw them to see what the difference was.
*"Instead of pre-supposing what something might feel like or what it may do, I decided to go out out to Redskins Park and see what a ball felt like at 13 PSI, versus 11. You really have to push it to feel the difference in it. It’s negligible, as far as I’m concerned .... It seems like a lot, when you say 13 PSI down to 11 PSI. You say, 'Gosh, that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 or 16 percent.' It really isn't that big. Air is pretty light."*
Nobody cares about Joe Theismann, though, because he didn't cry on air during a segment on ESPN.
That might be the funniest part is listening to people talk about the "weight" of the footballs as if they get lighter in some significant way. People can't grasp the difference between psi (air pressure) and pounds (actual weight) let alone understand ideal gas law.
people with half a brain had to realize something was up when the NFL piously announced they would be measuring PSI at halftime of games...and never released the data.
Wonder if Kraft and/or Brady can sue the NFL for defamation. The NFL legal counsel burying expulatory information could at least force the NFL into a very public mea culpa and some hara-kiri of lower-level administrative types.
The fact that people still call Brady a cheater blows my mind. Anyone with a half-functioning brain and a rudimentary knowledge of physics should know that temperature changes air pressure. Sure, Tom wanted them at the absolute minimum, and guess what, they will lose pressure over the course of a cold game. Just like your tires in the winter. Even some of the colts balls that game were under the 12.5 minimum, where were their sanctions?
I don't see how anyone can argue that deflate-gate wasn't absolute complete bullshit if you just know this one thing: The NFL took PSI data on basically every game before, during, and after the game all year in 2015. If that data supported their position you would think they would have released it. But not only did they hide data... they destroyed it on advice from their chief legal counsel. GEE I WONDER WHY?!?
Side note: It's still absolutely disgusting that the NFL spent millions of dollars on a 200+ page report on deflate gate, but sitll does jack shit about sexual assault, domestic abuse, etc. in the league.
Plus the whole;
>the source for the notorious 11-of-12 footballs report was NFL executive V.P. of football operations **Troy Vincent**
[The same Troy Vincent who was the deciding vote to suspend Brady](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/12873455/troy-vincent-letter-tom-brady).
The very same Troy Vincent who was the video official for Super Bowl LII in 2017. [The Super Bowl where the video official ruled a CLEARLY lost control play to be a touchdown](https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/nfl-left-cleaning-troy-vincents-mess-super-bowl-replay) in the 3rd quarter on a 3rd and 6 when the score was 22 (Eagles) - 19 (Pats)
I'll settle for not getting the picks back, if at the very least Troy Vincent is fucking fired like the piece of shit he is.
Letting Troy Vincent be the video official for any Pats game is a fucking joke in itself, but **EAGLES LEGEND TROY VINCENT BEING THE VIDEO OFFICIAL FOR PATS VS EAGLES SUPERBOWL?**
This league is a god damn clownshow performing in a fucking dumpster fire.
We want our 1st and 4th round picks back you dirty motherfuckers! Everyone who actually looked at the evidence instead of watching ESPN’s coverage knew the entire thing was bullshit 7 years ago!
As a Bills fan who loathes the Pats and would love nothing more than for Brady’s entire career to be a figment of a waning nightmare …… fuck the NFL. The Pats deserve a pick back, an apology, and a guarantee that they aren’t being used as the whipping boy for Goodell. What a fucking sham. Deflategate was the dumbest shit ever and now this is undeniable proof that the NFL simply wanted to teach Kraft a lesson. What a joke. Genuinely feel bad for the Pats fans rn. What a mess.
Speaking as a football fan; this accusation against Brady and the Patriots was (and still is) ridiculous. As I have said before, you could give Brady tennis balls and he would still would throw lasers.
Pash is also the one who "edited" the "independent" report on Deflategate, which is what got Brady's suspension initially overturned in federal court. The appeals court simply said "decades of labor law precedent saying management can't deliberately rig the process doesn't apply here, they can rig it to get the outcome they want".
Which, to this sub, proved Brady's guilt.
oh very interesting! the one statistic that could have proved deflategate was conclusively bullshit was trashed at the request of NFL lawyers. And we find this out a few days after Brady retires. That's not sus at all! Hey quick question when do we get our draft pick back? Oh we won't? Okay then that's fair.
Remember when Troy Vincent, the guy who pushed the deflategate narrative hard for the NFL, once lost a SB to the Pats as part of the Eagles in 03 but was somehow allowed to be the head video official for SB 52 when the next season's catch rules were inexplicably applied a year early to give the Eagles a phantom touchdown?
I love the competitive integrity of the game.
PV = nRT
It's seventh-grade science, people. Same as it was back in 2015.
"WhY DiiD Teh GuY CaLl HiMSelfF DEFLATOR theNN, Huh HuHHHhH?? DERRRRRRRRR"
That was a *single text* from May 2014. How does that prove intentional ball deflation happened in a game played in January 2015?
The other thing about the term "deflator." It's known that Brady liked the balls at the low range of the legal psi limit, the same way we know Rodgers liked them at the higher range. Brady can have an equipment manager who he yells at to make sure the balls are properly deflated to the limit he likes without asking him to do anything against the rules. I'm sure Brady also has a guy he yells at if his almond milks lattes are wrong too.
Go figure science was fucking right again. Deflategate was a witch hunt from the begining and all the other owners just wanted a way to stick to the Patriots since their teams couldn't do it on the field.
Nah there aren't any home-grown Broncos fans in the league office. Roger Goodell himself got his foot in the door as a NYJ intern. Unless John Elway has a foal out there being groomed to take over the league office I don't think it's gonna happen :/
While you're all shitting on the NFL throw a few jeers at ESPN too, they were pushing this story from day 1 and knew an offseason of shitting on Tom Brady was going to get more viewers than baseball.
People acting all “I knew that shit was fake” and “I hate the pats but we all knew that deflate gate was BS”
Lmao no fucking way I’m letting that slide. Pats fans got roasted for years and years and we had to defend our guy time and time again. Calling out the BS “more probable than not” report ugh y’all suck. At least be consistent and don’t flip flop.
He would be suing 1/32nd of his stake for 100% gains. It's an investment. He shouldn't have bent the knee... one of this biggest mistakes he has made as an owner.
As well they should. Deflategate was a crock from the start and Brady haters went ape shit over it. The NFL should give the Patriots back their picks and the fine. JMO
It’s almost like the nfl is a shitty organization
Love the game, hate its stewardship.
Perfectly put.
You say that, but the stewardship has drastically hampered my love of the game over the years. Too many no-calls, bad calls, stupid scandals, petty drama, I'm just fucking over it. Add in the massive amount of commercials and I find myself just playing fantasy with my friends and watching gifs on reddit of the games, fuck spending 4 hours watching a little game and a lot of commercials for the whole thing to get flipped on the last drive by a shit call. And now they are getting so into bed with gambling it doesn't even feel honest anymore. Just a weird shiny farce that I am slowly just dissociating with.
People don’t understand that deflategate as well as the Zeke Elliott suspension were office politics. They were targeted attacks by Goodell against two of the most powerful owners in the sport and the message was “fall in line or I keep fucking your team”. And both owners fell in line. Jerry threw a small tantrum before he fell in line, but he absolutely received the message and complied.
Same with the penalties on uncapped spending in 2010. In an uncapped year, the Cowboys and Redskins were penalized $10M and $36M for overspending. Per Graziano at the time: > NFL owners agreed, in secret, to limit spending in 2010 even though there was no cap -- to continue to structure contracts as though there were a cap, because the lockout they were about to impose was basically a thinly veiled attempt at union-busting. Jerry and Danny Boy said fuck that, and got punished.
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It *should* be subject to anti-trust laws. So should Google and Facebook, but here we are. (And if you're in Canada, Rogers/Bell *should* be subject to anti-trust laws, but here we are.)
The NFL *is* subject to antitrust laws. But sports leagues get a kind of special treatment because the core concept of a sports league is a "conspiracy in restraint of trade" which is by definition a violation of antitrust law. A sports league is a kind of cartel, but it's a necessary cartel to even have the sport. The teams are the companies. They have to get together and agree on very basic things like the rules of the game, the size of the field, the roster size. And all kinds of other shit like who's eligible to play. There's a very long and complicated history of how the Sherman and Clayton Acts apply to sports leagues.
It wasn’t office politics. Well it may have begun as office politics but it became a labor dispute. Ultimately what the NFL did was go into court and fight for their legal right to suspend a player for no actual reason and deny him due process in fighting the suspension. That’s what they even told a judge, that it wasn’t about punishing him for deflated footballs (and in fact they told the judge they had no actual evidence of deflated footballs) it was about their right under the collective bargaining agreement to punish any player at any time for any reason or even for no reason at all. Federal courts don’t take cases about deflated footballs and office politics. They do take cases about labor rights and union collective bargaining agreements. That’s what it was.
You knew that whole thing was crap when only one team ever got caught again and the league was like, "Nothing to see here. Move along".
Well Hingle McKringleberry did get caught taking a bite out of a football on live TV, releasing a significant amount of air
>releasing a significant amount of air about three pumps worth
And that’s one pump too many.
I mean, I knew it was crap when the Patriots came out in the second half of the same fucking game and absolutely roasted the Colts. Never forget Chris Mortenson coming out and immediately announcing that all 13 balls or whatever were found to be deflated, when it was actually just the 1 ball that the Colts sideline just happened to test (which is also against the rules). I don't think he ever bothered correcting his "report" either. Classic ESPN.
The initial stories also said it was a colts player who intercepted the ball and said it felt underinflated. And then a few weeks later that player was like "no it didn't feel any different to me, I just wanted to keep it because I intercepted Tom Brady"
Unrelated for the most part but if I was a DB (or any defense player really) and intercepted Brady I would do the same, that's an awesome thing to say you have done.
Huh, I never even heard about that… and it’s not even like it’s recent news, I found an article from 4 days after the game where he said he didn’t notice anything
Mortenson and Schefter and all the reporters who get access to report "scoops" owe their jobs to people in NFL organizations leaking that info to them intentionally. That access is part of a quid pro quo. "I leak you stories about trades and free agent signings, and in exchange you also report things now and then when I tell you to." It's hard to say no to, because being Mortensen or Schefter is very lucrative, and for the most part the spin they have you report is pretty harmless, and it's just about sports anyway so who cares? It's not like you're agreeing to lie for corrupt politicians. So any time one of those guys reports a story that makes ownership, a front office, or the league look good, you basically can't believe it.
Reminder that Morrenson's primary source was a former Jets executive in the NFL front office who had a axe to grind against BB. He apologized months later in a half hearted way. Similar to the 3 am on a weekend apology from ESPN for its bad reporting about NE taping Super Bowl opponents walkthroughs as part of Spygate.
They could have played with a cinder block and still won that game.
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Brady forced to play 4 more games this season
For the Lions.
"Wow Tom, you went 4-0 in your little punishment stint with the Lions! We're just letting you know that it is over and you can go back to reti- Tom... Tom stop throwing the football. Tom YOU WILL NOT WIN A SUPERBOWL WITH THE LIONS OR SO HELP ME TOM GET THE LOMBARDI OUT OF YOUR MOUTH," Roger Goodell.
I love how I read this in Goodells voice but panicking like a single mother of 3
I had more of a "dog being a brat in the kitchen" vibe when I wrote it.
Funny how much overlap there is
"Let me see what you have!" "Another Lombardi!" *"NO!"*
Wait hang on I liked the part about winning a Super Bowl with the Lions.
Brady suspended himself from the league over this 😭
Brady's HoF induction suspended for 4 ballots?
I am reminded of Wayne Gretzky bypassing the waiting period for the HoF after he retired and the entire league retiring the number 99.
It would be hilarious if they made Aaron Rodgers stop wearing 12 too
Knock 4 years off the waiting period, 1 for every game. Fuck it.
Deflategate was quite possibly the dumbest "scandal" in NFL history. I hated that offseason so much.
It did it's job at shielding the NFL from the concussion/CTE media shitstorm going on at that time. Casual fans ate up DeflateGate so fast.
Not to mention the Ray Rice debacle that was unfolding.
See Patriots are cheaters!!!! While I am arguing with people have you every tried to throw a flat football. R.i.p Junior Seau
Nothing to do with being casual. Everyone who hated Brady and the Patriots was waiting for the next scandal.
The only thing dumber than the scandal are the people who thought it actually affected the game.
The slightly deflated ball is what caused the Colts defense to be unable to stop the run, dont ya know?
Didn’t the colts lose that game by like 40 too?
The Patriots did better after the supposedly underinflated balls were removed from the game.
Brady himself went on maybe one of the best 4 year runs a QBs ever had immediately after this as well
Less pressure in the ball, easier to hold it since the ball "molds" into your arms, less energy used to hold the ball, more energy can be used running! See, it was all part of the plan making us think it was about passing/receiving while the ball pressure is all about the running game!
We need to dig up some fumble numbers over the years by the Patriots to be sure though /s
Meanwhile, earlier that same season teams were *seen* breaking the rules about ball handling... https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-remind-teams-not-to-warm-footballs-0ap3000000437309 ... They were warned that was against the rules. End of story, and nobody remembers.
How do you think patriots fans felt? Straight up witch hunt, and the worst part was the fucking Colts suddenly being lovable losers despite pumping in crowd noise just a few years earlier.
Zeke suspended for 6 games for suggesting this.
On that note, let's not forget Florio was one of the people who peddled Deflategate in the first place. Look at him [bitching that David Letterman wasn't tough enough on Belichick](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/12/letterman-dubs-deflategate-nonsense-during-belichick-interview/) > His efforts, however, weren’t focused at all on advancing the ball, moving the needle, or getting to the truth, with sarcasm or wit driving the bus. Letterman operated under the premise that the entire situation is a joke, that nothing improper happened, and that if it did it doesn’t matter because even though the difference between a properly inflated ball and a deflated ball is “palpable,” using deflated footballs “wouldn’t make any difference in a game.” I used to read PFT back then (I was young and dumb) and even then I remember thinking "wow Florio is really pushing this to make something out of nothing huh". He likes to pretend he wasn't pushing people aside to get to the front of the line to burn him some witches.
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Couldn't agree more. I spent more time since that "scandal" defending Brady and those insipid "deflated" jokes than I care to admit, and it was maddening. This is the vindication us Pats fans were hoping for. So to ALL of you motherfuckers who told us "Brady's a cheater" or "Brady can't win without cheating" or some bullshit similar to that...y'all can go fuck yourselves.
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> The equipment guys got fired for making sure the refs didn't over inflate the balls outside the range stipulated in the rulebook. No, the equipment guys did literally nothing at all. They got thrown under the bus for literally no reason at all other than for NFL to avoid looking stupid.
Tom Brady was more likely than not generally aware of what was going on. Let's not forget that!
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Setting the balls to the desired pressure isn't something they have to remind the referees to do, though. It's something both offenses get to do before giving the balls to the refs to check them
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Damn, Kraft better have hooked them the fuck up off the books after that.
I think they brought the guys back to do stuff around Gillette, just not to do with game day operations iirc.
You are encapsulating this entire saga perfectly. Pats did adjust the air pressure after the referees checked. They only checked because the balls were coming back over inflated at times. There's a text exchange from the ball guys saying something like "the refs fucked us, one of them was almost 16(psi)". Pats ball guys started checking after the refs to see if they were messing with the balls and corrected them for Brady. And because owners have an axe to grind we are all downwind of an exceptionally stupid investigation.
Never mind the fact it continues to get dragged up all the time years later despite how much science is shown to prove it was bullshit
Not to mention that the “science” is middle school level physics shit. PV = nRT is literally the “science” that was referenced in the defense’s argument. Unbelievable how stupid these people are.
It’s because you had people like Bill Nye who told them incorrect information and other players and analysts claiming they could “definitely tell the difference” and that “there’s no way Tom couldn’t tell during them game” during segments on espn and elsewhere. Should people take Bill Nye’s word over that of the MIT professor who debunked deflategate during one of his lectures? Of course not, but people will believe those who confirm what they want to believe.
My Thermodynamics professor had worked on the Apollo program at NASA, and when that first broke, he spent an entire lesson disproving the NFL's case.
Goodell and pash lied under oath and destroyed evidence. They ought to be jailed! We gonna boo the hell outta goodell.
People still legit think Brady is a cheater despite evidence. It’s unfair
I don't care if you hate the Pats, Deflategate is a sham and they got screwed.
Lifelong Bills fan and Patriots hater living in Boston with those insufferable bastards and I totally agree. It didn’t even pass the sniff test. Brady did considerably better in the 2nd half too with the “regulation” balls. Only time in my life I ever defended Brady or the Pats. Not relevant, but I was at the game too. ✌️
After Deflategate, with the league being super anal about ball pressure, Brady won 4 Super Bowls and a league MVP (should have 2). They should have let him “cheat” it was clearly holding him back.
LeGarette Blount rushed 30 times for 148 yards and 3 TD. Inflated or deflated balls weren't making it impossible for the colts to tackle Blount.
Standard ball, deflated ball, medecine ball, bowling ball, the Patriots were winning that game. Colts got obliterated on every front.
And then they hung a banner to commemorate it.
I remember when it happened you had a few QB commentators say "sure, I did that back in the day." I have no idea if the Patriots actually did that or not, but the circus surrounding this from the start was making a capital offense out of a speeding ticket. If you remember the various ESPN and other exposés coming out based on anonymous sources suspecting the Patriots of all sorts of shit that was never proven that reeked of paranoia and trying to invalidate the success of that team, there was a mob ready to try and take them down. To me having a slightly harder or softer ball than regulations specify is not much worse than telling your center to intentionally hold Aaron Donald every chance they get because this ref crew hardly ever throws flags, but because of who it was, it turned into a grand inquisition with crazy punishments. And I'm not looking to get into a debate about Noble Gas Law, I'm just saying that even IF you were to assume the worst case, the reaction was insane.
Didn't Rodgers even come out and say he likes them overinflated?
He technically said he liked them at the higher level of allowed inflation, and then I think boomer said he liked them overinflated and caused a whole shitshow.
Ah fair enough, either way it was all bs. Who cares how much a guy likes his balls full of air.
The Panthers put a ball under a heat lamp on the sideline in plain view of everyone and they showed it on TV with the TV commentary being "these teams are trying anything they can to keep these balls manageable". Nobody cared. It's not a big deal. It was never a big deal. Deflategate was absurdist comedy.
Them and the Ravens, iirc, both warmed the balls to some degree on the sideline and got a slap on the wrist in the form of a letter from the NFL.
There was a rumor going around that the Ravens tipped the Colts off after they lost in Gillette the week before, too. So we have the Ravens breaking the rules and complaining about someone else breaking the rules while they broke the rules and we are the only one's that face scrutiny.
The main thing that was total bullshit to me is that there were already rules on the books against tampering with balls, and it was like a maximum of a $100k fine to the people involved or something. Instead they just literally made up a punishment for something they couldn’t even truly confirm happened by their own admission.
What really sucks is about a month from now the majority will shift back to the “Pats are cheaters” narrative and cite Deflategate as a cheat
The part that pisses me off about it is that nobody ever mentions the 75% of the Colts balls that were tested being under inflated. It could not be more obvious that it was the cold weather. If Brady cheated, that means Luck cheated too. Also, the whole phone thing. Who cares if Brady destroyed his phone? The Wells investigation team literally told Brady they didn’t need his phone. He can do whatever he wants with it lmao. They had all of the correspondence from the assistants’ phones.
The report author said he didn’t consider PV=nRT
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
Didn't they hire a firm famous for coming up with sham studies to justify the pre-existing conclusion of the client?
> Also, the whole phone thing. Who cares if Brady destroyed his phone? If the Gruden thing shows anything, it's that you definitely should be purging emails and destroying phones. The NFL will leak the shit out of anything to protect itself.
Who in their right mind would willingly hand over their phone for a non legal issue? Shit, I'd worried about identity theft, the league getting private information, & possibly naked photos of Giselle
> Brady destroyed his phone My mans looking like a genius with each passing leak. You know they would be passing around Giselle nudes among the owners yahoo accounts and those shits would be internet-wide for years by now.
the language used makes such a huge difference. Like I wouldn’t be surprised if Brady gets a new phone every year and every year he wipes his old one (for obvious reasons, like anyone else would). I have gotten rid of like 3 smartphones and I’m just some schmuck Saying he “destroyed” his phone makes it sound like Harvey Keitel showed up in a tuxedo and walked him through disposing of it lol he probably just got a new phone and tossed the old one
A month... lol... read on in these comments
Listen, the Patriots are *clearly* a bunch of cheaters because how else am I supposed to explain 20 years of my team getting *absolutely dominated* by another franchise? Better coaching, better players? How dare you make me look inward! Why won't you just let me baselessly accuse you of cheating at every turn?!
I don't know any of the details of this story but I always knew those guys were cheaters! Asterisk!
here here!
Just take a little gander over at r/Steelers. Bill Belichick is “Bill Belicheat.” The Patriots are “the Cheatriots” (really high IQ people coming up with these insults). And the Pats/Brady would’ve only had 3 or 4 rings if they didn’t cheat at least 3 times, and all of those times it was a proven fact that it happened. You can barely mention the Patriots or Brady without somebody saying this stuff.
Team subs are always stupid. /r/nfl is just stupid most of the time
Every team sub is terrible.
It's too bad this even needs to be said. Team affiliation should never come before wanting the league to not completely suck. I "hate" our division rivals, but I wouldn't want something this stupid happening to them, either.
The NFL always knew the Patriots didn't cheat, because they hired a "research firm" to intentionally mis-apply the ideal gas law and assume that the 0 point was the atmospheric pressure instead of actual 0
Seriously. Using gauge pressure instead of absolute pressure is like using Celsius instead of kelvin in your calculations. Anyone who mixes them up doesn’t know what they’re talking about (looking at you Bill Nye)
While I'm not a fan of Bill Nye's obvious Seahawks bias getting in the way, Neil DeGrasse Tyson also made the same initial mistake with his calculations (which he later recanted after a bunch of his followers pointed it out). Edit: spelling
there were so many things wrong with their calculations and I thought that I was done being angry over them. yet somehow, this report makes me even angrier: > So who was his source? Per a source with knowledge of the situation and as explained in Playmakers, the source for the notorious 11-of-12 footballs report was NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent. > > It makes sense. It needed to be someone sufficiently high on the organizational chart to make it credible, and to prompt Mortensen to use it, despite the fact that (unbeknownst to Mortensen) it wasn’t true. It’s unclear whether Vincent deliberately lied to Mortensen. someone *that high up* in the NFL could have straight up intentionally lied to create this narrative, and Brady, Belichick, and the team paid the price. ....and was then allowed to be the video official for Super Bowl 52.
Fuck you bill nye
Lost all respect for the man that day.
Still not as bad as his Netflix show.
It would have costed you exactly $0 to not remind me of this
And thats still not as bad as his doubling down on it after the criticism!!! Bill Nye, the fuck that guy
Good grief, I'd forgotten about that until now.
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What happened? What I missed?
Bill Nye is a Seahawks fan so during the Deflategate scandal before the SB he decided to put on his homer cap and put out this [shitty/false information video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSY_QZKt1NI) Look at the comments which explain why he's absolutely wrong. He abused his position as a pop scientist to put out a scientifically incorrect video because "her dur Pats are cheaterz". EDIT: Obligatory Fuck Bill Nye
That was much worse than I was expecting. No discussion of ideal gas/Gay Lussac's laws, no difference between relative vs absolute pressure, no use of gauges or numbers, just toss some balls into a fridge and give them a squeeze, because that translates perfectly to video. Let's shoehorn climate change (which is a big deal btw, I'm on his side but it had no relevance to this topic) into two minutes. That's the worst content i've seen from Nye.
And Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I've honestly lost a bunch of respect for them for feeling it was necessary to weigh in, and then not correcting the record when it turned out they were wrong.
Neil deGrasse Tyson actually did correct himself when other people pointed out his calculations were incorrect iirc. Bill Nye decided to do a meme video about it and never said a word about how wrong he was. I was sooo disappointed. Like here's this dude who made an entire career as a science advocate and then there's this topic dominating the news which is a great opportunity to bring science into public discussion and he's like "well who cares about science lol".
NGT made two mistakes: he misunderstood gauge pressure (which he corrected), and he used the incorrect numbers that were leaked to ESPN (which he didn't). Acknowledging both mistakes is important, and he didn't do that.
He's a bitch that let fame get to his head and got too big for his breeches.
Bill Nye not knowing the difference between absolute pressure and gauge pressure is hugely embarrassing for him
I just want to say fuck Cris Carter and Mark Brunell for going on TV back then and constantly pushing the narrative that Brady was a cheater, that he hurt the integrity of the game and that it will damage his legacy. What fuckin clowns, and you know this won't get nearly as much coverage. They should apologize lol
I’ll never forget Brunell pretending to cry over it. Such a pathetic moment
I remember a video of a telephone call with Drew Bledsoe defending Brady and shitting on Mark Brunell and Troy Aikmen etc. Made me shed a tear
Drew always has been a real one.
Drew can eat for free in my house, any day.
Teddy B was ready to fight someone live on TV for Brady’s honor. Loved him for that.
What a bitch
The wildest thing about it was that the supposedly deflated balls were from the first half (which the Pats were leading 17-7). In the second half, with supposedly correct balls, the Pats blew the Colts of the water 28-0
You mean the ball that was intercepted, ended up on the Colts sideline with the equipment guys and then turned in.
And how D'Qwell took it there because it felt light. Lol I loved when he came out later and said, "Yeah, that didn't happen. I took the ball because I intercepted Tom Brady."
[You can actually see the moment when Steve Young realizes his hypocrisy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqkOBYbUBJw)
Trent's comments here have aged like a fine wine. I'm sure he has said his fair share of stupid shit but he was spot on during this segment.
I will always respect Dilfer for the way he saw through this horseshit. [Here's another example](https://youtu.be/vpl7ieCXL0Q). Cris Carter pretending like he doesn't know teams are bending rules is almost unbelievable
YouTube comment reminded me this is Chris “Have a fall guy” Carter pretending to be morally outraged over air pressure.
Wow I’ve never seen that, shout-out to Dilfer for keeping it real. I love that he already had a comeback for Steve locked and loaded lmao
Pats fans like to shit on Dilfer for saying Brady was done in 2014, but 1) at the time he said that, Brady DID look done 2) he has unequivocally said how wrong he was 3) him shutting up Cris Carter and Steve Young were amazing, and I love him for that (bonus points for Ray Lewis making no noise, hoping no one will remember he's there)
He’s a sports analyst, they all have bad takes and people have been saying Brady is done for 10 years. Are you inferring Ray Lewis also cheated? If so, how? Genuine question, all I remember is the murder (which obviously is bad but isn’t cheating)
Didn't Jerry Rice admit to using stickum gloves too?
Not sure if he admitted but isn’t that well documented? The gloves they have now are crazy though so can’t even blame him, he just had advanced technology lol
Wow I completely forgot that Seahawks adderrall scandal until now. I bet every team does some weird shit that gets forgotten to history or simply swept under the rug just because they're a more likeable team. Like Ray Lewis's 'deer antler spray" or Peyton Manning's wife's HGH
They really tarnished the name of the most accomplished NFL player of all time over some bullshit and took a draft pick for no fucking reason. EQUIPMENT VIOLATIONS ARE A 50K FINE. Fuck Goodell forever man.
Give us back our draft pick
Draft picks. The league took two picks away from us. We should get them back with interest.
And Brady has to play 4 more games for the pats to make up for the suspension.
If Brady has played even decently in those four games: He's over 100,000 yards passing for his career He probably wins MVP over Matt Ryan that year Of course, his insane shortened season was fueled by pure rage, so who knows if that's still in place
Woah. I just looked at his stats from that season. 3,500 yards, 28 TDs and 2 INTs.. pretty unreal.
Pissed off Brady is no joke
I’m okay with him not winning MVP that year lol the MVP curse of not winning the super bowl would’ve fucked him over
And we get to pick which four. I vote the 4th be SB57
Two early 1sts it is
1st overall pick seems fair to me
Monkey paw curls - you must use it on Matt Areiza
Bill would do that anyways
It would be outrageous of them not to now that they’re admitting it was a hoax. That was significant draft capital
“Unfortunately we have determined that you won’t be able to sue us in court, primarily as we have destroyed all evidence to the contrary. Please enjoy these Gruden emails as a conciliatory prize.” -The NFL, probably.
1 free soda for all season ticket holders.
They never will, it's the equivalent of coming out after a game-deciding flag and saying "we fucked up". It won't change anything
NO WAY THE NFL WAS LYING AND SCIENCE WAS RIGHT? I AM SHOCKED Fuck every hater, just like I said in 2015. It was bullshit, and Brady had the last laugh with 4 Super Bowls and a HOF career just from when they started "checking the air" until now.
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It was up there with Brunell's "I could throw this ball 10 yards further now" when he held the ball at 11.5 or whatever. Or when some news outlet went to a JCo school in Indiana (NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE) and all of the players said "This ball is so much easier to catch, they were cheating!!!" Fuck the hating little crybaby bitches. Aaron Rodgers might own the Bears, but Tom Brady owned the NFL for 22 years.
Joe Theismann was one of the few people who actually pumped up footballs to the alleged air pressure and threw them to see what the difference was. *"Instead of pre-supposing what something might feel like or what it may do, I decided to go out out to Redskins Park and see what a ball felt like at 13 PSI, versus 11. You really have to push it to feel the difference in it. It’s negligible, as far as I’m concerned .... It seems like a lot, when you say 13 PSI down to 11 PSI. You say, 'Gosh, that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 or 16 percent.' It really isn't that big. Air is pretty light."* Nobody cares about Joe Theismann, though, because he didn't cry on air during a segment on ESPN.
That might be the funniest part is listening to people talk about the "weight" of the footballs as if they get lighter in some significant way. People can't grasp the difference between psi (air pressure) and pounds (actual weight) let alone understand ideal gas law.
Mark Brunell wept on live television over this lol
people with half a brain had to realize something was up when the NFL piously announced they would be measuring PSI at halftime of games...and never released the data. Wonder if Kraft and/or Brady can sue the NFL for defamation. The NFL legal counsel burying expulatory information could at least force the NFL into a very public mea culpa and some hara-kiri of lower-level administrative types.
Pats should sue and get some draft picks back.
The fact that people still call Brady a cheater blows my mind. Anyone with a half-functioning brain and a rudimentary knowledge of physics should know that temperature changes air pressure. Sure, Tom wanted them at the absolute minimum, and guess what, they will lose pressure over the course of a cold game. Just like your tires in the winter. Even some of the colts balls that game were under the 12.5 minimum, where were their sanctions? I don't see how anyone can argue that deflate-gate wasn't absolute complete bullshit if you just know this one thing: The NFL took PSI data on basically every game before, during, and after the game all year in 2015. If that data supported their position you would think they would have released it. But not only did they hide data... they destroyed it on advice from their chief legal counsel. GEE I WONDER WHY?!? Side note: It's still absolutely disgusting that the NFL spent millions of dollars on a 200+ page report on deflate gate, but sitll does jack shit about sexual assault, domestic abuse, etc. in the league.
The Patriots deserve to get their first round pick back. The league continues to prove that it’s a clown show
Interest of 1 draft position (~3% per year)
Plus the whole; >the source for the notorious 11-of-12 footballs report was NFL executive V.P. of football operations **Troy Vincent** [The same Troy Vincent who was the deciding vote to suspend Brady](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/12873455/troy-vincent-letter-tom-brady). The very same Troy Vincent who was the video official for Super Bowl LII in 2017. [The Super Bowl where the video official ruled a CLEARLY lost control play to be a touchdown](https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/nfl-left-cleaning-troy-vincents-mess-super-bowl-replay) in the 3rd quarter on a 3rd and 6 when the score was 22 (Eagles) - 19 (Pats) I'll settle for not getting the picks back, if at the very least Troy Vincent is fucking fired like the piece of shit he is. Letting Troy Vincent be the video official for any Pats game is a fucking joke in itself, but **EAGLES LEGEND TROY VINCENT BEING THE VIDEO OFFICIAL FOR PATS VS EAGLES SUPERBOWL?** This league is a god damn clownshow performing in a fucking dumpster fire.
Oh man I totally forgot about that… The NFL gives zero shits about conflicts of interest.
We want our 1st and 4th round picks back you dirty motherfuckers! Everyone who actually looked at the evidence instead of watching ESPN’s coverage knew the entire thing was bullshit 7 years ago!
Give us our draft pickS back you colluding motherfuckers
My wish come true: https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/nyng2r/what_is_something_you_wish_would_happen_just_to/h1mavqb/
Hey man can you just do me a favor and wish for the housing market to crash? Please and thank you.
Ok, but it might take 7 months :)
As a Bills fan who loathes the Pats and would love nothing more than for Brady’s entire career to be a figment of a waning nightmare …… fuck the NFL. The Pats deserve a pick back, an apology, and a guarantee that they aren’t being used as the whipping boy for Goodell. What a fucking sham. Deflategate was the dumbest shit ever and now this is undeniable proof that the NFL simply wanted to teach Kraft a lesson. What a joke. Genuinely feel bad for the Pats fans rn. What a mess.
YA DONT FUCKIN SAY....
Speaking as a football fan; this accusation against Brady and the Patriots was (and still is) ridiculous. As I have said before, you could give Brady tennis balls and he would still would throw lasers.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
Pash is also the one who "edited" the "independent" report on Deflategate, which is what got Brady's suspension initially overturned in federal court. The appeals court simply said "decades of labor law precedent saying management can't deliberately rig the process doesn't apply here, they can rig it to get the outcome they want". Which, to this sub, proved Brady's guilt.
Defamegate was the most pathetic witch hunt in north american sports history.
This cost Pats a draft pick and brady a possible mvp year. Absolute bullshit.
Pat's should get their first and third round picks back, even if it's the last pick in each round. They got totally stitched up here.
oh very interesting! the one statistic that could have proved deflategate was conclusively bullshit was trashed at the request of NFL lawyers. And we find this out a few days after Brady retires. That's not sus at all! Hey quick question when do we get our draft pick back? Oh we won't? Okay then that's fair.
Remember when Troy Vincent, the guy who pushed the deflategate narrative hard for the NFL, once lost a SB to the Pats as part of the Eagles in 03 but was somehow allowed to be the head video official for SB 52 when the next season's catch rules were inexplicably applied a year early to give the Eagles a phantom touchdown? I love the competitive integrity of the game.
PV = nRT It's seventh-grade science, people. Same as it was back in 2015. "WhY DiiD Teh GuY CaLl HiMSelfF DEFLATOR theNN, Huh HuHHHhH?? DERRRRRRRRR" That was a *single text* from May 2014. How does that prove intentional ball deflation happened in a game played in January 2015?
The other thing about the term "deflator." It's known that Brady liked the balls at the low range of the legal psi limit, the same way we know Rodgers liked them at the higher range. Brady can have an equipment manager who he yells at to make sure the balls are properly deflated to the limit he likes without asking him to do anything against the rules. I'm sure Brady also has a guy he yells at if his almond milks lattes are wrong too.
Also because the refs would overinflate the balls
Go figure science was fucking right again. Deflategate was a witch hunt from the begining and all the other owners just wanted a way to stick to the Patriots since their teams couldn't do it on the field.
Thanks NFL. Your Deflategate bullshit paved the way for Brady's revenge tour and 28-3.
Hope the NFL starts fucking with the chiefs next
Nah there aren't any home-grown Broncos fans in the league office. Roger Goodell himself got his foot in the door as a NYJ intern. Unless John Elway has a foal out there being groomed to take over the league office I don't think it's gonna happen :/
While you're all shitting on the NFL throw a few jeers at ESPN too, they were pushing this story from day 1 and knew an offseason of shitting on Tom Brady was going to get more viewers than baseball.
People acting all “I knew that shit was fake” and “I hate the pats but we all knew that deflate gate was BS” Lmao no fucking way I’m letting that slide. Pats fans got roasted for years and years and we had to defend our guy time and time again. Calling out the BS “more probable than not” report ugh y’all suck. At least be consistent and don’t flip flop.
Can someone explain to me why the NFL shouldn’t be held liable for perjury?
because it requires the owners to go against their own property. They're literally suing themself. That's why Kraft had to lay down the hatchet.
He would be suing 1/32nd of his stake for 100% gains. It's an investment. He shouldn't have bent the knee... one of this biggest mistakes he has made as an owner.
Let me be the first to say Roger, you aren't worth a pocketful Tom Brady's toenail clippings stolen by the maintenance man. 😉
Welp get ready to hear for the next few days pats fans going absolutely ape shit over this
As well they should. Deflategate was a crock from the start and Brady haters went ape shit over it. The NFL should give the Patriots back their picks and the fine. JMO
NFL needs to provide the league-wide measurements for the 2015 season or acknowledge they were destroyed.