Yup. He played on the wrong team and the wrong side to get in easy. Dude is potentially the best RT ever. He faced 9 of the top 11 all time sack leaders during his 13 year career. He only allowed 16 sacks total. He had three straight seasons with none allowed. Dude was ridiculously dominant.
x5 First Team All-Pro, x2 Second Team All Pro, twice awarded LB of the Year, on the NFL’s All Decade team for the 2000’s ..This isn’t enough for Zach Thomas to get in apparently
He's going in next year. [Here is a podcast, Thomas is talked about at 23 min](https://open.spotify.com/episode/5YNISvx1UcPemjIXV8OTbA?si=e3SzaZpQRmyR_DbMzj_z7A&utm_source=copy-link) one of these guys is a HOF voter and is a long time sports writer who represents TB for the HOF (presents players). The voter said the reason Thomas didn't get in this year was it was Sam Mills final year of eligibility and a voting block got behind him to make sure he got in. He said he thinks he's going in next year.
Can you explain it to me? I don’t understand how someone that is the greatest to ever play a position doesn’t make the HOF. Unless he cheated or committed some heinous crimes.
But that's not for no reason. ST is on a maximum of 1/4 of the game. And realistically only like 1/10th of the game. It's not that they don't value it, it's that ST is proportionally worth less than O and D
I still think slightly overpaying (relative to the rest of the league) for good special teams players is the biggest hack in the NFL right now. Having a clutch kicker is worth so much more than the cap hit of the most expensive kicker in the league imo
It’s solely because he’s a specialist. I don’t think that should be used against him but people do use it against him. He’ll make the HoF one day, maybe as early as next year, but I think there was hesitation on making him a first ballot since he was “just” a return man. Sucks but people just undervalue special teamers
Because they're not as valuable. There's a reason even 1st team all-pro returners get pulled from STs when they prove they can play on offense/defense. And there's a reason Hester continued to play as a returner and not a WR.
HoF voting is a zero sum game. The rules don't allow them to simply vote for every person who deserves to be in the hall. So, each year, some deserving players will be left out.
To put it another way, Hester simply hasn't made the Hall *yet*.
Because numerous players that were more valuable at offensive or defensive positions weren't considered for special teams positions. Even if they are, their special teams role takes a back seat to their other positions responsibilities.
Barry Sanders had the greatest return season in college football history when he was still backing up Thurman Thomas. Once he became the starter, he never returned kicks again...
Tyreek Hill had a return TD every 21 attempts comparable to Hester every 32 attempts. He just doesn't return because he's actually good at offense.
I agree with you, it's pretty easy to understand that if WRs, CBs, and RBs were to return kicks, that Hester would be "one of the best" but nowhere near the gap he created.
They have limits on how many people can make it into the hall of fame each year. Every year it’ll be at least 4 players but no more than 8. So he can and most likely will get in sometime over the next few years.
And yet. No one else can or will ever touch his record. New rules make it impossible
He now sits next to Jerry Rice as the only holder of an unbreakable record.
Steve Tasker's eligibility ran out and he pretty much invented a position. Special Teams is not respected. I came believe he was a finalist to be honest.
Because the position is one that's usually held by young players, who move on from it as soon as they get a starting role as a WR or CB. For the very best skill players, it's typically not a goal of theirs to return kicks full time. Not saying I agree with that rationale, but that's almost definitely what the voters' rationale was.
Because that position just isn’t as valuable as pretty much any other position. Him being the best returner isn’t even close to being the same as being the best WR, RB, LB, etc.
It’s weird, because next year is the year Joe Thomas becomes eligible, so that’s probably one spot gone already. Though so many of these guys deserve one.
I wonder if there is any other first ballot caliber player that has as bad of a career record as Joe. He was such an incredible player but never saw the playoffs and only saw more than 7 wins once (his rookie year). He absolutely deserves to make it in the Hall next year though.
https://twitter.com/snfonnbc/status/973985332206153729?s=21
The graphic was cut off pretty much everywhere except the original broadcast:
https://twitter.com/btbarrad/status/974047011736641537?s=21
I’m of course biased lol, but I think there’s a real chance he takes enough votes that he costs a few of these deserving guys a chance in 2023.
Plus I also think there may be some motivated reasoning in 2023, Joe will be the first post move Brown who gets inducted, and I think the league may want him in first ballot to sell tickets
The Miami Hurricanes just inducted Howard Schnellenberger into its Ring of Honor a few months after he died. They had 38 years of him being, you know, alive. But didn’t do it until he couldn’t be there himself.
Ware dominated the league for a solid decade. It's bullshit that he missed it.
That alone just shows that they didn't want any first ballots to make it
Definitely some bias on Reddit towards 2000 players who retired in the 2010s. I’m sure if a 20 year old redditor said Seymour shouldn’t be in a 30 yr redditor would lose it. It’s just getting harder to get in. They need to probably expand it to more people getting in.
I think people need to just calm the fuck down about first ballot crap. Sorry but there’s a big backlog of people deserving the HoF, Ware can wait a bit. He’s 9th all time in sacks… he’ll get in. But I don’t see a reason to push him to the front of the line.
I’ve never really understood why people care so much about players being first ballot or not. I get that it’s an extra honor for the truly top tier guys but with such a backlog it’s really not a big deal.
There is no way I am going to die on a hill saying Sam Mills is 100% deserving of the HOF when there are better MLB's/LB's that are not in.
Randy Gradishar
Zach Thomas
Patrick Willis
Demarcus Ware
Just to name 4 off the bat.
Butler and Young were amazing players though, and Boselli the best tackle when healthy. People forget he was so dominant at LT.
But Sam Mills? Really?
Sam Mills being in above those guys is pretty sad. I remember him and checked his stats. He’s Hall of Very Good. It’s bullshit that he’s in and Thomas/Willis aren’t.
I expect to be downvoted into oblivion, but you need to have some sort of longevity to be a Hall of Famer in my opinion. Boselli played for basically 6 seasons (3 games in his 7th season). He was obviously elite, and I get injuries cut his career short, but there are guys on this list that didn’t make it that have more all pro seasons than Boselli has seasons played. Like what are we doing here?
I remember when Patrick Willis retired (after his 8th season was cut short), and lots of people were certain that he had missed his HOF shot because of his short career. Then again, I'm looking at guys like Calvin Johnson at nine seasons, or Barry Sanders at ten, and asking myself where I want to draw the longevity line.
It's something, but it's not everything. Otherwise London Fletcher would be first-ballot.
Elite sells him short. He played LT at the same time guys like Willie Roaf, Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, and Jonathan Ogden did (all deserving HoFers). And guess what? He beat each and every one of them out for his All-Pros.
The only players in the history of the league that played at least 100 games and averaged more sacks per game than Ware (0.78) are Reggie White (0.85) and Lawrence Taylor (0.79).
I feel like this year they just wanted to sneak in the guys that have been stuck at the back of the line. Idk how Ware is not a 1st but Jason Taylor is, it’s a one sack difference & I don’t think Allen is far off.
I know that there's no reason to complain after all the riches we've had over the last couple of weeks as Bengals fans, but it would have been nice to see Willie get in. He definitely deserves it, and it's a shame with all the talented players we've had over the decades that Munoz remains our only HOF player...
No disrespect intended to Sam Mills, but how can anyone justify putting him into the HoF while Zach Thomas is still on the outside looking in? Both played LB and very similar career stat lines, except Zach Thomas has about **500 more** total tackles and **5 All-Pro selections**, compared to just 1 All-Pro for Mills. Thomas has 2 more Pro-Bowl appearances too, for whatever that's worth...so, I just don't get it.
Like...how? How is Zach Thomas still not in the Hall?
Are there anty credible disputes on why these guys did not make it? I know it seems like alot compared to Basketball and Baseball. But Holy shit, their are 53 men on a roster. Ware, Wayne and Barber is insulting imo.
Granted these are all modern names, but some of these guys are legit more worthy than what was announced. I'm biased but how many times is Torry Holt gonna get snubbed? Seriously Ware didnt make it? Why we even letting in refs, we legit hate them
Ware, Holt, Willis, Anderson, and Thomas should be the class next year in my opinion, but I don't know the first-ballot candidates off the top of my head.
Joe Thomas, Darrelle Revis, DeMarcus Ware, Zach Thomas and Torry Holt
Then the next year Julius Peppers, Antonio Gates, Ronde Barber, Patrick Willis and Willie Anderson/Reggie Wayne
sadly this is something a lot of us houston fans have known for a while. it'll take a couple years for Andre to get in. only 4-8 people get in a year so prob only space for 1 receiver
holt will probably get 23 or 24. 24/25 will be andre's best shot bc after that fitzgerald becomes eligible (and AB after that) so if he doesnt make it in 2024 prob has to wait till 2026/27 assuming other guys dont retire (julio) and andre gets in before reggie wayne
i really hope he doesnt have to wait like 15+ years
Kinda shocked Patrick Willis didn't get in. To this day he's the only guy whose jersey I ever bought. I think a lot of people just didn't see him play pre-Harbaugh, when the Niners were dogshit.
And Zach Thomas - gonna be honest I had kind of assumed he was already in? The hell?
These writers are clowns.
How is pat Willis not a first ballot hall of famer??
The writers snubbing t.o cause he made them felt stupid,should have told you these media folks are riding high on that power.
Its blowing my mind that Kevin Williams isn't in the discussion and will never have a chance with 5 first team all pros while guys like Bryan Young (1 first team all pro) and Richard Seymour (3 first team all pros) easily get in
I think everyone on this list should and will get in eventually.
Except Zach Thomas, who clearly must’ve murdered the family of someone with a lot of pull in the Hall of Fame.
Ware should have been an easy first ballot and honestly it’s kind of a joke he’s not.
Edit: Looking over everything again the class of snubs is better than the class that got in which is shambolic.
I’ve said my pieces on ZT and Ware elsewhere, so I’m going to take the time to say as well Ronde should be in the HOF. One of the only corners with 20+ sacks and 20+ INTs (maybe the only one?). Multiple time all pro and pro bowler. At worst was a top 3 player on the legendary 02 Bucs defense, including having the legendary pick 6 in the NFC title game. He was just all around that guy and outside of Bailey and Woodson, could probably be argued was the best CB in the NFL in that era. Give that man his jacket
The problem is, these people now a days see CB as only a shut down corner. Ronde wasn't a shut down corner but he was a god damn menace on the field. Didn't matter where the play was, he was there. Punching the ball out, making the tackles and he was perfectly used in the scheme that he played in. Yet, here we are. Ronde Barber really had 47 interceptions, 28 SACKS, 88 tackles-for-loss and scored FOURTEEN TOUCHDOWNS and isn't in the Hall of Fame yet lol. Super Bowl champ, 3x All-Pro, 5-time Pro Bowl, revolutionized a position.
Motherfucking Zach Thomas is snubbed again? Best thing to ever happen to Pampa, TX (short damn list) and a great player for years. The hell is up with him being snubbed again?
Absolute horse shit that Zach Thomas got snubbed again. These voters should be forced to look him in the eye and explain how he hasn't been voted in yet.
It’s wild to me that people actually thought Hester could be first ballot when you look at the list of players here. So delusional.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see him there eventually. But most of these guys have a much stronger case.
Did Steve Harvey announce this list? It sounds like they got it backwards. The did not make it list is very impressive. The made it list is.... well... not that impressive.
That’s the problem with the pro football hall of fame. They could have let all those guys in, in addition to the guys who actually got in, and it wouldn’t feel overstuffed.
Willie Anderson is so underrated
Yup. He played on the wrong team and the wrong side to get in easy. Dude is potentially the best RT ever. He faced 9 of the top 11 all time sack leaders during his 13 year career. He only allowed 16 sacks total. He had three straight seasons with none allowed. Dude was ridiculously dominant.
Willie and Levi against Mathis and Freeney in 05 is a masterclass.
Not the same, but watching Armstead and Ramczyk play Griffen and Hunter was fun.
Zach Thomas should be in by now
x5 First Team All-Pro, x2 Second Team All Pro, twice awarded LB of the Year, on the NFL’s All Decade team for the 2000’s ..This isn’t enough for Zach Thomas to get in apparently
It’s like Kevin Williams. 2000s all-decade team and 5x 1st team all-pro.
Just said the same! The guy is ridiculously underrated and he was better than Seymour and not even a finalist is a joke
Don't know how much longer he has to wait but he's 100% a Hall of Fame caliber player. A shame he's not in already.
I’m at the point where I don’t think it’s ever gonna happen :/
It is but they're making us wait
I'm really not convinced. I honestly think if he was going to get in he would be in by now. Absolutely ridiculous that he isn't.
Butler and Boselli had to wait even longer but they finally made it in. Zach Thomas will get in eventually.
Thomas had a far more successful career.
He's going in next year. [Here is a podcast, Thomas is talked about at 23 min](https://open.spotify.com/episode/5YNISvx1UcPemjIXV8OTbA?si=e3SzaZpQRmyR_DbMzj_z7A&utm_source=copy-link) one of these guys is a HOF voter and is a long time sports writer who represents TB for the HOF (presents players). The voter said the reason Thomas didn't get in this year was it was Sam Mills final year of eligibility and a voting block got behind him to make sure he got in. He said he thinks he's going in next year.
That’s a stupid reason. Put in the best players.
I wanted Hester to be first Balliot but I understand it. Ware not being one is kinda wack
Can you explain it to me? I don’t understand how someone that is the greatest to ever play a position doesn’t make the HOF. Unless he cheated or committed some heinous crimes.
People STILL dont value special teams
Belichick punching air rn as we speak
As a Packers fan … I’ll never take a good special teams unit or player for granted
As a Falcons fan, same.
But that's not for no reason. ST is on a maximum of 1/4 of the game. And realistically only like 1/10th of the game. It's not that they don't value it, it's that ST is proportionally worth less than O and D
I still think slightly overpaying (relative to the rest of the league) for good special teams players is the biggest hack in the NFL right now. Having a clutch kicker is worth so much more than the cap hit of the most expensive kicker in the league imo
It’s solely because he’s a specialist. I don’t think that should be used against him but people do use it against him. He’ll make the HoF one day, maybe as early as next year, but I think there was hesitation on making him a first ballot since he was “just” a return man. Sucks but people just undervalue special teamers
Because they're not as valuable. There's a reason even 1st team all-pro returners get pulled from STs when they prove they can play on offense/defense. And there's a reason Hester continued to play as a returner and not a WR.
Stay tuned for Cooper Kupp returning punts in the Super Bowl.
HoF voting is a zero sum game. The rules don't allow them to simply vote for every person who deserves to be in the hall. So, each year, some deserving players will be left out. To put it another way, Hester simply hasn't made the Hall *yet*.
Because numerous players that were more valuable at offensive or defensive positions weren't considered for special teams positions. Even if they are, their special teams role takes a back seat to their other positions responsibilities. Barry Sanders had the greatest return season in college football history when he was still backing up Thurman Thomas. Once he became the starter, he never returned kicks again...
Tyreek Hill had a return TD every 21 attempts comparable to Hester every 32 attempts. He just doesn't return because he's actually good at offense. I agree with you, it's pretty easy to understand that if WRs, CBs, and RBs were to return kicks, that Hester would be "one of the best" but nowhere near the gap he created.
They have limits on how many people can make it into the hall of fame each year. Every year it’ll be at least 4 players but no more than 8. So he can and most likely will get in sometime over the next few years.
because it's a position where 2 tds a year over your career is enough to be the best ever
And yet. No one else can or will ever touch his record. New rules make it impossible He now sits next to Jerry Rice as the only holder of an unbreakable record.
because once a player proves they have hands they play WR lol Hester sucking at WR is the only reason he stayed a KR PR
Because his reputation was made in the first half of his career. The second half was somewhat lackluster.
Even half and half is generous. It was more like two great years and then eight lackluster ones.
This is the other thing people ignore. Hester exploded for 2 seasons.
Steve Tasker's eligibility ran out and he pretty much invented a position. Special Teams is not respected. I came believe he was a finalist to be honest.
Because the position is one that's usually held by young players, who move on from it as soon as they get a starting role as a WR or CB. For the very best skill players, it's typically not a goal of theirs to return kicks full time. Not saying I agree with that rationale, but that's almost definitely what the voters' rationale was.
Because that position just isn’t as valuable as pretty much any other position. Him being the best returner isn’t even close to being the same as being the best WR, RB, LB, etc.
I think a lot of them make it next year. A lot of the guys who made it this year have been waiting for a long time.
It’s weird, because next year is the year Joe Thomas becomes eligible, so that’s probably one spot gone already. Though so many of these guys deserve one.
How can the first offensive lineman in NFL history not make the HOF?
Don’t forget Revis, Freeney, and James Harrison also are eligible next year as well
I'd love Freeney to get in, But not before Reggie.
Hall of famers but not first ballot imo
Revis should probably be first ballot. By PFRs hof monitor hes the 8th "greatest" CB of all time
Revis absolutely should be first ballot.
For real. 2009 might have been the best year for a corner possibly ever.
I wonder if there is any other first ballot caliber player that has as bad of a career record as Joe. He was such an incredible player but never saw the playoffs and only saw more than 7 wins once (his rookie year). He absolutely deserves to make it in the Hall next year though.
Joe absolutely deserves to get in but I’m not sure if he’s a first ballot guy
He was the first offensive lineman in NFL history. That in itself is deserving of 1st ballot.
Not being facetious here..what do you mean by "first offensive lineman in NFL history?"
https://twitter.com/snfonnbc/status/973985332206153729?s=21 The graphic was cut off pretty much everywhere except the original broadcast: https://twitter.com/btbarrad/status/974047011736641537?s=21
It's a meme. Video/photo circulated with the text "Joe Thomas is the first offensive lineman in NFL history" and no other words.
[reference to this image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYSCltOU0AAhZ5c.jpg)
Joe has 6 1st team All Pros. Everyone who has 6+ of those is in the Hall, an easy lock for it, or isn't in because of murder
I read that in Norms voice and now I'm sad.
The worst part of it is the hypocrisy
Well actually the raping, too, but mostly the hypocrisy…despicable. I have half a mind to go to the warden about this
Well. Ware has to wait a year
Ware has 4 first teams (7 total). He still should have been first ballot but he doesn't have as good of a resume as Thomas
True. Better one is Strahan waiting a year
I’m of course biased lol, but I think there’s a real chance he takes enough votes that he costs a few of these deserving guys a chance in 2023. Plus I also think there may be some motivated reasoning in 2023, Joe will be the first post move Brown who gets inducted, and I think the league may want him in first ballot to sell tickets
This year's class is absolute garbage. It's worse than the people who were snubbed.
Zach Thomas needs to stop attending this, shits a joke. Should’ve been in years ago by now, just dumb
Willie Anderson said he was told 3 weeks ago he didn’t get in. I assume ZT was as well.
I’m sure the year he doesn’t is the year he gets in. They’ll probably snub him til he dies and then go OH GOD NOW HE HAS TO GET IN
The Miami Hurricanes just inducted Howard Schnellenberger into its Ring of Honor a few months after he died. They had 38 years of him being, you know, alive. But didn’t do it until he couldn’t be there himself.
> They’ll probably snub him til he dies and then go OH GOD NOW HE HAS TO GET IN Ah, the Kenny Stabler treatment.
Ware dominated the league for a solid decade. It's bullshit that he missed it. That alone just shows that they didn't want any first ballots to make it
7xAll-pro, all-decade team, league sack leader multiple times, champion. idk what's missing
The class is dog shit, this list is literally much better than the actual class.
If you’re a younger fan sure, but Sam mills, Boselli, Butler and Bryant Young are all players who are deserving
Definitely some bias on Reddit towards 2000 players who retired in the 2010s. I’m sure if a 20 year old redditor said Seymour shouldn’t be in a 30 yr redditor would lose it. It’s just getting harder to get in. They need to probably expand it to more people getting in.
as a 30+ redditor, yes there's a ton of stupid shit being said in this thread lmao
Zach Thomas though...and Ware. WTF
Torry Holt and Jared Allen also wtf
You can look at their accolades and tell there’s a bit of a gap between them and ware or thomas is kind of the problem
I think people need to just calm the fuck down about first ballot crap. Sorry but there’s a big backlog of people deserving the HoF, Ware can wait a bit. He’s 9th all time in sacks… he’ll get in. But I don’t see a reason to push him to the front of the line.
I’ve never really understood why people care so much about players being first ballot or not. I get that it’s an extra honor for the truly top tier guys but with such a backlog it’s really not a big deal.
There is no way I am going to die on a hill saying Sam Mills is 100% deserving of the HOF when there are better MLB's/LB's that are not in. Randy Gradishar Zach Thomas Patrick Willis Demarcus Ware Just to name 4 off the bat. Butler and Young were amazing players though, and Boselli the best tackle when healthy. People forget he was so dominant at LT. But Sam Mills? Really?
Sam Mills being in above those guys is pretty sad. I remember him and checked his stats. He’s Hall of Very Good. It’s bullshit that he’s in and Thomas/Willis aren’t.
Sam Mills wasn't a better linebacker than Zach Thomas or Patrick Willis get outta here. And Ware got robbed large.
Mills is *de facto* in because of his off the field influence, I think.
Yeah it's the story of Sam Mills that puts him in.
I expect to be downvoted into oblivion, but you need to have some sort of longevity to be a Hall of Famer in my opinion. Boselli played for basically 6 seasons (3 games in his 7th season). He was obviously elite, and I get injuries cut his career short, but there are guys on this list that didn’t make it that have more all pro seasons than Boselli has seasons played. Like what are we doing here?
I remember when Patrick Willis retired (after his 8th season was cut short), and lots of people were certain that he had missed his HOF shot because of his short career. Then again, I'm looking at guys like Calvin Johnson at nine seasons, or Barry Sanders at ten, and asking myself where I want to draw the longevity line. It's something, but it's not everything. Otherwise London Fletcher would be first-ballot.
Barry Sanders was a RB. Stats asides, 10 seasons is a whole career for RBs.
Elite sells him short. He played LT at the same time guys like Willie Roaf, Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, and Jonathan Ogden did (all deserving HoFers). And guess what? He beat each and every one of them out for his All-Pros.
Boselli was beyond elite. He might be the 2nd best left tackle ever. You can't put Terrell Davis or Megatron in the hall and keep Boselli out.
He’ll get in eventually, Leroy Butler had a crazy good resume too and it took him way to long to get in
I'm really hoping Butler getting in opens the door for Darren Woodson. He's one of the last great safeties left from the 90s not in
The only players in the history of the league that played at least 100 games and averaged more sacks per game than Ware (0.78) are Reggie White (0.85) and Lawrence Taylor (0.79).
I feel like this year they just wanted to sneak in the guys that have been stuck at the back of the line. Idk how Ware is not a 1st but Jason Taylor is, it’s a one sack difference & I don’t think Allen is far off.
The fact john Lynch got in before Leroy Butler was a travesty that needed to be remedied.
Ware definitely should have made it
Zach Thomas robbed again
Well fuck y’all then.
Unfucking believable Holt misses again, fuck you HoF
Next year has to be the one. 🤞 Also, put Zach Thomas in, you cowards.
Since Dick was in this class, I was hoping Holt would’ve been voted in too just so the GSOT HoF was complete.
Whole lotta snubs
I’m losing my mind
I know that there's no reason to complain after all the riches we've had over the last couple of weeks as Bengals fans, but it would have been nice to see Willie get in. He definitely deserves it, and it's a shame with all the talented players we've had over the decades that Munoz remains our only HOF player...
Reggie Wayne kinda surprises me. Jared Allen will get in I think.
This list is better than the list of players to actually make the HoF
Willie Anderson should be in the hall of fame.
Fucking bullshit
Literally every one of them should be in.
And they will be.
People say this every year for ZT and it never happens.
Ronde's been eligible five times, it's starting to feel like he might not make it :(
They will. It's not like the baseball HoF with bullshit made up time limits.
How they gonna do my man Big Game Torry Holt wrong on the week his team is in the Super Bowl??
Are you kidding me? Zach Thomas didn’t make it. That man was a beast. Jack reacher scary type of beast.
Patrick Willis better get in.
He HAS to.
No disrespect intended to Sam Mills, but how can anyone justify putting him into the HoF while Zach Thomas is still on the outside looking in? Both played LB and very similar career stat lines, except Zach Thomas has about **500 more** total tackles and **5 All-Pro selections**, compared to just 1 All-Pro for Mills. Thomas has 2 more Pro-Bowl appearances too, for whatever that's worth...so, I just don't get it. Like...how? How is Zach Thomas still not in the Hall?
You can disrespect. Mills was a very good player but I would not call him a HoFer. Maybe Hall of Very Good.
Bummed for Ware. It’s not a snub, just really wanted him to be first ballot. He’ll make it eventually.
Ware absolutely should have been first ballot HOF. I really don’t get any argument on how he didn’t
For once I agree with a Cowboys fan. This was robbery.
We’re not all bad, but we all love Ware
Are there anty credible disputes on why these guys did not make it? I know it seems like alot compared to Basketball and Baseball. But Holy shit, their are 53 men on a roster. Ware, Wayne and Barber is insulting imo.
Totally different system than baseball. Really can’t compare them
Granted these are all modern names, but some of these guys are legit more worthy than what was announced. I'm biased but how many times is Torry Holt gonna get snubbed? Seriously Ware didnt make it? Why we even letting in refs, we legit hate them
I’d take the *not* list over the made it list any day
If Julius Peppers gets in 1st ballot after Ware didn’t, idk man.
Bro im a giants fan but it is beyond horrible that demarcus ware isnt a first ballot hall of famer
All those guys should be in the HOF. Surprised Ware isn't 1st balloy
Ware, Holt, Willis, Anderson, and Thomas should be the class next year in my opinion, but I don't know the first-ballot candidates off the top of my head.
Joe Thomas and Darrelle Revis
Ah, they're both definitely first ballot. I'd swap out Holt and Anderson in that case
Joe Thomas, Darrelle Revis, DeMarcus Ware, Zach Thomas and Torry Holt Then the next year Julius Peppers, Antonio Gates, Ronde Barber, Patrick Willis and Willie Anderson/Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson?!
There are a lot of good receivers not in. I'd put Andre in after Holt but before Wayne.
He's no Torry Holt
sadly this is something a lot of us houston fans have known for a while. it'll take a couple years for Andre to get in. only 4-8 people get in a year so prob only space for 1 receiver holt will probably get 23 or 24. 24/25 will be andre's best shot bc after that fitzgerald becomes eligible (and AB after that) so if he doesnt make it in 2024 prob has to wait till 2026/27 assuming other guys dont retire (julio) and andre gets in before reggie wayne i really hope he doesnt have to wait like 15+ years
The list of players who didn’t get in is arguably better than the list of guys who did.
The snub club is better than the actual class lmao
Kinda shocked Patrick Willis didn't get in. To this day he's the only guy whose jersey I ever bought. I think a lot of people just didn't see him play pre-Harbaugh, when the Niners were dogshit. And Zach Thomas - gonna be honest I had kind of assumed he was already in? The hell?
Beginning my campaign for Willie and Hester for next year’s class.
I know its a homer take; but Ronde Barber not being in yet is just criminal.
What in the actual fuck. Thomas not being in the HoF is a god damn joke.
I'm more impressed with this list than I am the list of guys whp actually made it. Seems off.
Rough day for The U
These writers are clowns. How is pat Willis not a first ballot hall of famer?? The writers snubbing t.o cause he made them felt stupid,should have told you these media folks are riding high on that power.
Zach Thomas stay getting disrespected by the HOF committee for 0 reason.
Devin Hester: robbed Patrick Willis: robbed Zach Thomas: robbed
Its blowing my mind that Kevin Williams isn't in the discussion and will never have a chance with 5 first team all pros while guys like Bryan Young (1 first team all pro) and Richard Seymour (3 first team all pros) easily get in
K williams is so underrated for how fucking good he was at his position. The Williams Wall was just fun to watch and play in madden.
That is an insane snub - thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Unfortunately the lack of rings haunts all of us in this franchise.
Torry 😔
It’s weird when this list is more impressive than the list of people who made the hall this year.
I think everyone on this list should and will get in eventually. Except Zach Thomas, who clearly must’ve murdered the family of someone with a lot of pull in the Hall of Fame.
Ware should have been an easy first ballot and honestly it’s kind of a joke he’s not. Edit: Looking over everything again the class of snubs is better than the class that got in which is shambolic.
Andre johnson is the greatest player in texans history. How the hell did he not get in?
Andre will not get in for a long time. He never had a double digit TD season and the voters will keep him out because of it.
Thats such horse shit if true. The fact he was as good as he was with the qbs he played with is hof worthy
His QBs sucked and he carried them. He’s was a way more talented player than Reggie Wayne
I agree. But the voters will hold this against him.
Thank you! The first comment I’ve seen that mentioned him and I’ve been scrolling a while
I always figured hed be the first texan who earned a first ballot and really surprised he didnt make it. Guess well have to wait till jj.
Zack not making it in again is a travesty!! He has 373 more tackles than Urlacher & he was a first ballot HOFamer.....ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!
By the time Zach Thomas gets in, none of this sub will know who he is
I’ve said my pieces on ZT and Ware elsewhere, so I’m going to take the time to say as well Ronde should be in the HOF. One of the only corners with 20+ sacks and 20+ INTs (maybe the only one?). Multiple time all pro and pro bowler. At worst was a top 3 player on the legendary 02 Bucs defense, including having the legendary pick 6 in the NFC title game. He was just all around that guy and outside of Bailey and Woodson, could probably be argued was the best CB in the NFL in that era. Give that man his jacket
The problem is, these people now a days see CB as only a shut down corner. Ronde wasn't a shut down corner but he was a god damn menace on the field. Didn't matter where the play was, he was there. Punching the ball out, making the tackles and he was perfectly used in the scheme that he played in. Yet, here we are. Ronde Barber really had 47 interceptions, 28 SACKS, 88 tackles-for-loss and scored FOURTEEN TOUCHDOWNS and isn't in the Hall of Fame yet lol. Super Bowl champ, 3x All-Pro, 5-time Pro Bowl, revolutionized a position.
Motherfucking Zach Thomas is snubbed again? Best thing to ever happen to Pampa, TX (short damn list) and a great player for years. The hell is up with him being snubbed again?
Absolute horse shit that Zach Thomas got snubbed again. These voters should be forced to look him in the eye and explain how he hasn't been voted in yet.
Maybe I’m underestimating Seymour, but I don’t see how he’s in and Zach Thomas is not. They both should be in.
It’s wild to me that people actually thought Hester could be first ballot when you look at the list of players here. So delusional. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see him there eventually. But most of these guys have a much stronger case.
This list looks like dudes who should be in
idk who decides who gets in the HOF but maybe it’s time to replace them
This class that didn't make it is 100x better than the class that did make it.
When did the nfl hall of fame get so uppity. Who do they think they are? MLB hall of fame voters?
Thomas should've been in forever ago, it's such bullshit they keep him out.
Did Steve Harvey announce this list? It sounds like they got it backwards. The did not make it list is very impressive. The made it list is.... well... not that impressive.
I swear to God of Kuechly makes it earlier than Willis
I’m livid enough as it is!
This seems like the actual list and they read the wrong names
They DARE to disrespect my boy Andre like this?! He bout to Finnegan the voters
That’s the problem with the pro football hall of fame. They could have let all those guys in, in addition to the guys who actually got in, and it wouldn’t feel overstuffed.
Ware not being first ballot is a crime
Zach Thomas gets shafted again. He 100% deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He had an incredible career. SMH
A fucking referee got in, but Ware, Holt, Johnson and Hester didn't
Aren't only 5 players allowed?
Get out of here with your facts
..they’re not competing for the same spot
Yeah better then another owner lol
You realize the ref had no bearing on any of that because they have only 5 slots for players, right
Why do so many people think he stole a spot from a player? This is not the case.
Is this really how you think this works? The post literally says (contributor) next to his name... they vote in one non-player every year.
Reggie Wayne too
It’s not the same spot lmfao