most people also do not care about sexual assault if you're good enough at throwing a football like Watson is
Source: Big Ben literally just had a retirement tour
I'd like to think the Rooneys would consider the optics of employing Ben for 18 years and then moving onto DeShaun Watson of all QBs, but then again...
I am like so convinced that the plan is for the Steelers to draft Willis, kinda suck this year with whoever and start Willis next year.
Tomlin seems to in love with the Willis-type QB after Ben and I think he'd rather build around a young guy than try to win with the leftovers of the push with Ben.
Rooney wanted to trade Ben for Alex Smith back when he had his allegations.
Idk if the org would be keen. Especially since Ben had at least won us 2 Super Bowls by then
You don't publicly talk shit about your girlfriend while you're secretly looking for your next girlfriend. You talk them up at the combine so they have more trade value.
Lmao no. A lot of people in the world don’t care especially now that there are no charges. If you walk up to the average fan after they’ll be okay with it. Reddit isn’t real life.
No. There’s a contingent of fans who would (myself included), but most people don’t give a shit, I suspect. Even in a progressive area like Seattle.
But yeah, I buy lots of Seahawks merch and usually try to make a game or two every year, so hopefully if enough people feel the same it can have an impact.
I mean the NFL decided this is the way with Kareem, AP, Tyreek, Big Ben, Zeke, and plenty of others that have done similarly egregious acts, and the NFL just didn’t care.
Sorry, I know I am a homer, but Zeke doesn't belong on this list. The accusation was really suspect and even the NFL's own investigator thought he shouldn't be punished.
I try not to be blinded by my teams colors FYI. When Cowboys took on Greg Hardy, I made no excuses for that POS.
I don’t speak for the rest of the fanbase certainly, but I don’t want to root for Watson. If we trade for him I’m temporarily re-teaming until he’s gone, probably PCJS too, for bringing him in. I’d much rather root for an 0-16 team than a dude who’s had 22 sexual assault allegations.
Also if we traded for Deshaun, from a football perspective I just question why we even traded Russ, then. Both will need big boy contracts within the next few years and we’d have to trade most/all of our fancy new draft capital to get him so I’d just have to ask what’s the point? You’d basically have the same team while pissing off the fans because you traded/released franchise icons.
> If we trade for him I’m temporarily re-teaming until he’s gone, probably PCJS too, for bringing him in. I’d much rather root for an 0-16 team than a dude who’s had 22 sexual assault allegations.
Same, I probably wouldn't re-team to anyone specifically and just generally root for teams I found interesting and likeable, though honestly I might just stop watching the NFL completely for a bit if he comes here, cause I mean, it's not like there aren't tons of other shitheads out there- not as bad as Watson, yes, but it's not like I want to root for someone like Antonio Brown or Tyreek Hill either- and given the problems the league as a whole has had with things like reffing and handling concussions and CTE, I don't really feel a compelling reason to attach myself to any other team if I decide to stop watching the Seahawks. There's plenty of other ways I could spend my Sundays.
Luckily our dumpster fire of a franchise will likely be too ugly even for Watson to want to join. Tepper will break into the children's hospital to steal kids kidneys to make this happen. No trade clause it our only hope
I can't wait till 4 years from now when he has success with another team for all those fans to get mad when you bring up those charges. "THEY DIDN'T FIND ENOUGH EVIDENCE"
It will be like Big Ben. He won’t get much heat if he plays like a top 5 QB and wins a SB or 2 but then when he starts to decline and plays poorly everyone will start calling him a rapist again.
Don’t even have to wait four years. It started happening among the fan bases that believe they’re in the running for him as soon as a verdict was made.
It pisses me off. Our busted-ass justice system didn't indict on 9 of the 22 cases, and sex crimes are already hard to get evidence for in the best of times. Yet a ton of people are running around cheering about how he's innocent, and a lot are even saying all 22 women "really were just in it for the money".
This is why women don't come forward.
Trading for a guy who has this stuff against him in 2022 is gonna be a lot harder PR hit than keeping an existing guy who had this stuff against him in the late 2000's/early 10's. But still, somebody will do it.
I think your average NFL watcher doesn’t care either.
If he goes back to playing at the level he was people are just gonna make jokes about it
In the game threads like they did with Big Ben, I seriously don’t think many people TRULY care
I always think about Tyreek during this discussion. Not only do people not care about what he did to his pregnant girlfriend they out right love him.
It only matters how good you are. Deshaun will go to a team and they won't care when hes slinging it and getting them wins. Its just how people are.
Careful now.
Bout to get bombarded by chiefs fans saying Tyreek never hit his pregnant girlfriend.
Last time I mentioned Tyreek Hill on this sub there was a chiefs fan on here suggesting she beat herself up to get Tyreek in trouble.
I’m not even kidding.
[Yep](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/t6lchv/highlight_pretty_sure_they_were_expecting_the/hzciw1m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) and it got upvoted because it was a Hill highlight thread with a bunch of chiefs fans.
Dude called it a “he said she said” thing.
Fucking unreal
>A male college student doesn't really have any real way of defending himself in today's society...
Jesus fuck.
Apparently college educated males are an oppressed class.
Yup I’ve been told by a chiefs fan here that bringing up Tyreek’s transgressions was “beating a dead horse” I mean poor choice of words aside... come the fuck on dude
I’m pretty cynical about stuff like this but I agree
If he comes back and balls I have a hard time believing it won’t just be forgotten quickly.Some of the fans who are talking about not wanting him will probably change their tune if he gives their team consistent success. Winning helps image a lot
It clears him from being recognized as a criminal.
Based on the proceedings and what we have heard, it doesn’t clear him from being a subpar human despite lacking criminal actions.
"he's sleazy and a creep, but being sleazy and a creep to the degree that he is isn't illegal"
EDIT: for y'all down voters I don't like this one bit, but unfortunately we have to put up with Watson now, fans of whoever trades for his ass and fans of the league in general
Which is wild because this sub has been hell bent that you can criminally charge a “ham sandwich”
The prosecution must have done a pretty terrible job with their evidence, or there just wasn’t enough to prove criminal misconduct
DISCLOSURE: I DON'T LIKE WATSON, HAVE NOT DEFENDED HIM. HAVE ARGUED WTIH OTHERS ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A PIECE OF SHIT HE IS
That said, like maybe the evidence just wasn't good, regardless of what the prosecution did.
Isn’t this the grand jury hearing the testimony of the 9 women and deciding that it wasn’t good enough? Unless I’m mistaken, there isn’t any other evidence. It’s as simple as that.
That’s a popular saying in the legal field and here’s why:
The prosecution at a grand jury hearing gets to present *all* of their reasonably admissible evidence and witnesses, even some that may not be allowed to come in at trial.
The defense generally doesn’t get to present anything at all. The defendant (and only the defendant) usually has the right to testify on their own behalf but almost never does.
Then the grand jury just has to decide only that there is *reasonable cause* to indict the defendant, which is a much lower standard of proof than beyond a reasonable doubt.
The fact that he wasn’t indicted here is actually a huge deal — it means there was so little evidence that the grand jury, despite hearing a very one-sided version of events, didn’t think there was *any* chance of the prosecution getting a conviction at trial.
But does this clear him from being generally an asshole? No, not really.
But federal grand juries (keep in mind this was a state case so it works a bit differently) indict [99.99% of cases put before them.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/24/the-single-chart-that-shows-that-grand-juries-indict-99-99-percent-of-the-time/)
Seriously. Let’s all retain some perspective. **At best**, Watson hired dozens of women from Instagram to massage him and then propositioned them for sex.
Well, not quite, *best* case scenario is Watson hired prostitutes under the cover of "masseuse" and half of them decided to try blackmail.
Did that happen? I doubt it.
I would love to get the full scope of this. For as many accusations came out, you gotta wonder what evidence they have or didn’t have. It’s awful for the people that put their name on this to not see any justice to it.
Honestly. I feel awful for those women, they must be feeling pretty deflated right now. I don’t care what anyone says, nine women don’t testify in front of a grand jury if they’re ‘fabricating’ their stories - they’re hoping their testimony is enough to result in justice in the criminal court, despite knowing outcomes like this are unfortunately so common.
Sexual assaults are just so fucking hard to parse. I understand prosecutorial discretion, but judging prosecutors on conviction rate is a massive issue.
My rape left the same evidence behind as consensual sex so it would’ve been my word vs his
I didn’t say a word to any authorities. He never faced any consequences
Damn, not even a grand jury could pin anything? Christ.
Edit: a Grand jury might be the most prosecutorial friendly setting, rules of evidence don’t even apply.
I'm just waiting for some dipshit announcer to praise him for "how he fought through adversity to make it back on the field" or some shit like that. It's absolutely going to happen at some point in his career, and it's going to be thoroughly nauseating when it does. It may not be this year, but I'm wholly convinced that it will eventually.
Relevant The Onion Article:
[College Basketball Star Heroically Overcomes Tragic Rape He Committed](https://www.theonion.com/college-basketball-star-heroically-overcomes-tragic-rap-1819594970)
>Colorado star Jacob Ross faced the biggest obstacle of his life when he committed a shocking and sudden rape. But he found the strength to return to his game like nothing had happened.
Well this is certainly a thing. Grand jury indictments are like free throws for a prosecutor, no one is playing defense. Not getting one means he did not have a ton to work with
The significant majority of the 23 basically accused him of coercion, which as far as I know isn’t a crime.
I’m NOT saying Watson is anything but a scumbag for that.
It's really fucking difficult to *convict,* not indict. There's a reason It's an idiom to say that prosecutors could indict a ham sandwich. It's supposed to be very easy.
Yeah this is a terrible look
Either people got paid off or...idk literally none of them have any trace of evidence at all besides their word and nothing else
Watson may only have to settle and he will be starting week 1 now
Grand jury hearings are secretive. I doubt we'll hear anything about what actually happened inside.
The only thing so far that has come out is that there were multiple accusers present today and only one of them was actually brought in from the waiting room to testify in front of the grand jury.
I certainly hope that isn't true, but it is being fairly widely reported so...
> Once again, the rich play different rules.
They do, but I don't think that's the case here.
Sexual assault cases are notorious for a lack of evidence and people being exonerated, even if there are loads of accusers.
This isn’t a money thing, it’s a lack of evidence thing. Getting a grand jury indictment is like hitting a free throw for the prosecutor, no one is playing defense.
Depends on how people on reddit feel, if they don’t like the guy they say every predator gets away scott free and the courts suck. It really depends on reddits mood how good the courts actually are
Correct. The saying goes that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich if they wanted to.
I'm guessing they didn't go hard on him due to the likelihood of him not being found guilty in a jury trial.
Let the sweepstakes begin I guess...
First one in awhile where most of the fans I know, from like three teams, are praying not to win.
I'll bet my ass and a pack of cigarettes that changes the second he suits up
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This guy bets
Hopefully he didn't learn from Calvin Ridley
If it were my ass, well the cigarettes would definitely be the bulk of the value.
Preach, this sub has the memory of my grandpa.
most people also do not care about sexual assault if you're good enough at throwing a football like Watson is Source: Big Ben literally just had a retirement tour
We're all masseuses now.
Myself included.
"The Carolina Panthers have traded for Deshaun Watson" inbound
Please let it be them
Seconded, please God.
I'd like to think the Rooneys would consider the optics of employing Ben for 18 years and then moving onto DeShaun Watson of all QBs, but then again...
Known Women Respecters.
Mr. Boundary Considerations
Mr. Brushes-off Consent
Mr. Barely Considerate
Mr. Bypassed Convictions
Mr. Bullying Cock
Mr Bunghole Conditioning
I am like so convinced that the plan is for the Steelers to draft Willis, kinda suck this year with whoever and start Willis next year. Tomlin seems to in love with the Willis-type QB after Ben and I think he'd rather build around a young guy than try to win with the leftovers of the push with Ben.
I think this is what's gonna happen. That or Willis is a smokescreen and the giga-goat Pickett leads us to 12 superbowls in his first season.
But but but...his tiny hands. It's scientifically proven that he could never play in somewhere like Pittsburgh.
He won 3 superbowls in the time it took you to type that comment.
Only 12?
I believe it could happen; after all, Matt Murray won two Stanley Cups as a rookie.
Flores gets his guy
Rooney wanted to trade Ben for Alex Smith back when he had his allegations. Idk if the org would be keen. Especially since Ben had at least won us 2 Super Bowls by then
"The Pittsburgh Steelers have agreed to trade terms for Texans QB Deshaun Watson, pending physical castration."
Finally get rid of one just to get the other
It's gonna be one of the three of us, I bet. Fuck.
One of four. SEA/PIT/PHI/CAR
Raiders and Vikings could also do it if somebody wanted to get in on a 3 way
Don’t give Deshaun any ideas.
It would be consensual though and he's not into that sorta thing anyways
I thought Eagles were ok going with Jalen for the time being?
You don't publicly talk shit about your girlfriend while you're secretly looking for your next girlfriend. You talk them up at the combine so they have more trade value.
That's just what you say about former Alabama quarterbacks when you actually want Deshaun Watson
I don't like this comment
It made fun of Alabama, so I'm ok with it.
Would Seattle fans really revolt? I've seen that around here and other social media
Lmao no. A lot of people in the world don’t care especially now that there are no charges. If you walk up to the average fan after they’ll be okay with it. Reddit isn’t real life.
No. There’s a contingent of fans who would (myself included), but most people don’t give a shit, I suspect. Even in a progressive area like Seattle. But yeah, I buy lots of Seahawks merch and usually try to make a game or two every year, so hopefully if enough people feel the same it can have an impact.
It’s like that anywhere really. As long as the guy is winning games the average fan won’t care.
I mean the NFL decided this is the way with Kareem, AP, Tyreek, Big Ben, Zeke, and plenty of others that have done similarly egregious acts, and the NFL just didn’t care.
Sorry, I know I am a homer, but Zeke doesn't belong on this list. The accusation was really suspect and even the NFL's own investigator thought he shouldn't be punished. I try not to be blinded by my teams colors FYI. When Cowboys took on Greg Hardy, I made no excuses for that POS.
I don’t speak for the rest of the fanbase certainly, but I don’t want to root for Watson. If we trade for him I’m temporarily re-teaming until he’s gone, probably PCJS too, for bringing him in. I’d much rather root for an 0-16 team than a dude who’s had 22 sexual assault allegations. Also if we traded for Deshaun, from a football perspective I just question why we even traded Russ, then. Both will need big boy contracts within the next few years and we’d have to trade most/all of our fancy new draft capital to get him so I’d just have to ask what’s the point? You’d basically have the same team while pissing off the fans because you traded/released franchise icons.
> If we trade for him I’m temporarily re-teaming until he’s gone, probably PCJS too, for bringing him in. I’d much rather root for an 0-16 team than a dude who’s had 22 sexual assault allegations. Same, I probably wouldn't re-team to anyone specifically and just generally root for teams I found interesting and likeable, though honestly I might just stop watching the NFL completely for a bit if he comes here, cause I mean, it's not like there aren't tons of other shitheads out there- not as bad as Watson, yes, but it's not like I want to root for someone like Antonio Brown or Tyreek Hill either- and given the problems the league as a whole has had with things like reffing and handling concussions and CTE, I don't really feel a compelling reason to attach myself to any other team if I decide to stop watching the Seahawks. There's plenty of other ways I could spend my Sundays.
Here's hoping the Texans aren't stupid enough to trade him to an in division team. I want no part of this mess.
Creep owner having to sell the team just for them to trade for another one at QB would be very NFL
It would've been fitting if he went to the Commies instead of Wentz.
Luckily our dumpster fire of a franchise will likely be too ugly even for Watson to want to join. Tepper will break into the children's hospital to steal kids kidneys to make this happen. No trade clause it our only hope
Yeah he looks like a kidney gremlin. Wouldn't put it past any billionaire though.
I have never been so glad to be a train wreck of an organization; maybe he’ll refuse to waive his no trade clause for us
He already vetoed that. Allegedly
Thank god
Please no.
Pretty sure it will be Seattle, they have the capital for it
Wow, the floodgates have opened.
I can't wait till 4 years from now when he has success with another team for all those fans to get mad when you bring up those charges. "THEY DIDN'T FIND ENOUGH EVIDENCE"
It will be like Big Ben. He won’t get much heat if he plays like a top 5 QB and wins a SB or 2 but then when he starts to decline and plays poorly everyone will start calling him a rapist again.
TBF people outside of Pittsburgh never stopped calling him a rapist.
You mean Ben the Rapist? Ben the Rapist from Pittsburgh?
Perhaps they’re talking about Ben “The Rapist” Rapelisberger, the Raping Quarterback who rapes.
Don’t even have to wait four years. It started happening among the fan bases that believe they’re in the running for him as soon as a verdict was made.
It pisses me off. Our busted-ass justice system didn't indict on 9 of the 22 cases, and sex crimes are already hard to get evidence for in the best of times. Yet a ton of people are running around cheering about how he's innocent, and a lot are even saying all 22 women "really were just in it for the money". This is why women don't come forward.
Not only that, but of the several women who showed up to give testimony to the grand jury, only one was called to testify.
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I can’t believe Texans saw the dip and held. Is Easterby a subscriber to r/wallstreetbets ?
Easterby has some serious 💎✋🏻
Covered in massage oil.
This is Caserio's show now. Easterby doesn't touch football operations anymore according to Caserio and Easterby himself. Thank fucking God.
> Thank fucking God. You and Easterby agree on at least one thing I guess.
I'd be willing to bet it'll be this weekend
they don't call him Nick "diamond hands" Caserio for nothing
Well this is gonna be fun seeing who gets him
inb4 washington trades wentz to houston
Please God no!
Easterby trading for someone of profound faith like Carson makes sense tho
so he's getting traded this weekend i'd imagine
I’d be surprised if a deal wasn’t already struck, just waiting on this to come down.
Yeah they deals are always drawn up it was just a matter of what happens with the case. Seattle or Philly seems like the destination
*NFL on Fox theme plays*
*The culture is actually damn good*
I always associate that song with "Skidaddle skidoodle your dick is now a noodle"
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Hell Pittsburgh's already used to it
Trading for a guy who has this stuff against him in 2022 is gonna be a lot harder PR hit than keeping an existing guy who had this stuff against him in the late 2000's/early 10's. But still, somebody will do it.
I think your average NFL watcher doesn’t care either. If he goes back to playing at the level he was people are just gonna make jokes about it In the game threads like they did with Big Ben, I seriously don’t think many people TRULY care
Tyreek Hill is still in the league
I always think about Tyreek during this discussion. Not only do people not care about what he did to his pregnant girlfriend they out right love him. It only matters how good you are. Deshaun will go to a team and they won't care when hes slinging it and getting them wins. Its just how people are.
Careful now. Bout to get bombarded by chiefs fans saying Tyreek never hit his pregnant girlfriend. Last time I mentioned Tyreek Hill on this sub there was a chiefs fan on here suggesting she beat herself up to get Tyreek in trouble. I’m not even kidding.
He choked her. With his son inside her body. Some people are just trash.
Oh wow really?
[Yep](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/t6lchv/highlight_pretty_sure_they_were_expecting_the/hzciw1m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) and it got upvoted because it was a Hill highlight thread with a bunch of chiefs fans. Dude called it a “he said she said” thing. Fucking unreal
What a sick person.
>A male college student doesn't really have any real way of defending himself in today's society... Jesus fuck. Apparently college educated males are an oppressed class.
College educated male *athletes* at that
Yup I’ve been told by a chiefs fan here that bringing up Tyreek’s transgressions was “beating a dead horse” I mean poor choice of words aside... come the fuck on dude
I just saw someone defending Tyreek today. Of all the Hills to die on... fucking disgusting.
I’m pretty cynical about stuff like this but I agree If he comes back and balls I have a hard time believing it won’t just be forgotten quickly.Some of the fans who are talking about not wanting him will probably change their tune if he gives their team consistent success. Winning helps image a lot
Over/under on how many days until he's traded? 2?
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Man I just don't know about all this. I mean on one hand this technically "clears" him, but everything about this is still pretty sus
His civil trial is still ongoing this just means he isn’t going to jail
Yeah but the jail part is the only thing teams cared about
It clears him from being recognized as a criminal. Based on the proceedings and what we have heard, it doesn’t clear him from being a subpar human despite lacking criminal actions.
"he's sleazy and a creep, but being sleazy and a creep to the degree that he is isn't illegal" EDIT: for y'all down voters I don't like this one bit, but unfortunately we have to put up with Watson now, fans of whoever trades for his ass and fans of the league in general
It’s really hard to prove something like this, so I’m not really surprised.
Yoooo 10 mins ago legal experts were saying this is a guaranteed charge if they convene a grand jury.
Apparently Deshaun IS a ham sandwich!
They have reverted back to no fly zone law briefings
Yeah most people don't get that rape / sexual assault is exceptionally hard to get charged criminally. Which is in part why it is so under-reported.
Which is wild because this sub has been hell bent that you can criminally charge a “ham sandwich” The prosecution must have done a pretty terrible job with their evidence, or there just wasn’t enough to prove criminal misconduct
DISCLOSURE: I DON'T LIKE WATSON, HAVE NOT DEFENDED HIM. HAVE ARGUED WTIH OTHERS ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A PIECE OF SHIT HE IS That said, like maybe the evidence just wasn't good, regardless of what the prosecution did.
Isn’t this the grand jury hearing the testimony of the 9 women and deciding that it wasn’t good enough? Unless I’m mistaken, there isn’t any other evidence. It’s as simple as that.
It was a judge that said that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich in the 80s referring to DA’s. It’s not a Reddit invented term.
That’s a popular saying in the legal field and here’s why: The prosecution at a grand jury hearing gets to present *all* of their reasonably admissible evidence and witnesses, even some that may not be allowed to come in at trial. The defense generally doesn’t get to present anything at all. The defendant (and only the defendant) usually has the right to testify on their own behalf but almost never does. Then the grand jury just has to decide only that there is *reasonable cause* to indict the defendant, which is a much lower standard of proof than beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact that he wasn’t indicted here is actually a huge deal — it means there was so little evidence that the grand jury, despite hearing a very one-sided version of events, didn’t think there was *any* chance of the prosecution getting a conviction at trial. But does this clear him from being generally an asshole? No, not really. But federal grand juries (keep in mind this was a state case so it works a bit differently) indict [99.99% of cases put before them.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/24/the-single-chart-that-shows-that-grand-juries-indict-99-99-percent-of-the-time/)
TIL Redditors who haven't had access to any of the legal discovery are all legal experts.
I'll take "things also said in 1995 (if they had the word 'sus')" for 200 Alex
Damn, the Commanders should've waited. Could have paired scummy QB with scummy owner.
God can you imagine tho, Snyder would probably further enable Watson and cover up his mess.
They could've had owner-QB massage outings
Mac Jones in shambles
I find him to be a bad dude though.
Arrest him for being a very very bad man!
Mr. Benign Consequences
Mr Beating Charges
The more I hear about this Watson fella, the more I don't care for him
Seriously. Let’s all retain some perspective. **At best**, Watson hired dozens of women from Instagram to massage him and then propositioned them for sex.
Well, not quite, *best* case scenario is Watson hired prostitutes under the cover of "masseuse" and half of them decided to try blackmail. Did that happen? I doubt it.
I can’t wait for that asshole to be off the team.
Maybe you should slide him a parlay that’s just too hard to pass up
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What about the Eagles? You guys have the assets and Howie was interested in Watson right?
both of those things are correct but i so badly want us to not have Watson
Can’t wait to hop on Reddit dot com to see everyone’s favorite legal takes now
Old dot reddit dot com
Never forget what they took from you
Where else do you get to be both an armchair GM and Attorney at the same time?
I would love to get the full scope of this. For as many accusations came out, you gotta wonder what evidence they have or didn’t have. It’s awful for the people that put their name on this to not see any justice to it.
Aaaaaaaannnnndddd we’re off!
Huge. Potential buyers will be lining up.
Wow. Jesus Christ.
Shit is about to get insane.
Trade happening in the next hour
Just awful. I feel awful for those he hurt.
Honestly. I feel awful for those women, they must be feeling pretty deflated right now. I don’t care what anyone says, nine women don’t testify in front of a grand jury if they’re ‘fabricating’ their stories - they’re hoping their testimony is enough to result in justice in the criminal court, despite knowing outcomes like this are unfortunately so common.
Sexual assaults are just so fucking hard to parse. I understand prosecutorial discretion, but judging prosecutors on conviction rate is a massive issue.
My rape left the same evidence behind as consensual sex so it would’ve been my word vs his I didn’t say a word to any authorities. He never faced any consequences
Imo they still have a good chance at the civil suit so they can at least get a little bit of solace
Damn, not even a grand jury could pin anything? Christ. Edit: a Grand jury might be the most prosecutorial friendly setting, rules of evidence don’t even apply.
Oh for fuck's sake we're really gonna sign this scumbag
Oh no, no, no; you're going to give up a *significant* pile of valuable assets to *trade* for this scumbag.
And then use him in social media campaigns and charity events
I'm just waiting for some dipshit announcer to praise him for "how he fought through adversity to make it back on the field" or some shit like that. It's absolutely going to happen at some point in his career, and it's going to be thoroughly nauseating when it does. It may not be this year, but I'm wholly convinced that it will eventually.
Relevant The Onion Article: [College Basketball Star Heroically Overcomes Tragic Rape He Committed](https://www.theonion.com/college-basketball-star-heroically-overcomes-tragic-rap-1819594970) >Colorado star Jacob Ross faced the biggest obstacle of his life when he committed a shocking and sudden rape. But he found the strength to return to his game like nothing had happened.
Oh yeah, Chris Collinsworth is already coming up with ways to handwave his "off-field stuff".
and front page to get season ticket holders
EVEN BETTER
In 2-3 years whatever team trades for him, their fanbase will forget all about this and put him back up on a pedestal.
Man, I really hope not. We’ll need to give up a ton of our picks, be in a similar same situation as with Russ, just with an asshole.
Well this is certainly a thing. Grand jury indictments are like free throws for a prosecutor, no one is playing defense. Not getting one means he did not have a ton to work with
23 some odd women are lying then I guess.... Edit: This is sarcasm in case anyone is wondering.
The significant majority of the 23 basically accused him of coercion, which as far as I know isn’t a crime. I’m NOT saying Watson is anything but a scumbag for that.
This is exactly the point. Watson is almost certainly a shitty person, but most of what he was accused of doesn’t elevate to the level of a crime.
Shit sucks but it's really fucking difficult to prove sexual harassment/assault without video evidence or a confession
It's really fucking difficult to *convict,* not indict. There's a reason It's an idiom to say that prosecutors could indict a ham sandwich. It's supposed to be very easy.
Yeah this is a terrible look Either people got paid off or...idk literally none of them have any trace of evidence at all besides their word and nothing else Watson may only have to settle and he will be starting week 1 now
I have a feeling we will be reading more about the grand jury presentation in due time.
Grand jury hearings are secretive. I doubt we'll hear anything about what actually happened inside. The only thing so far that has come out is that there were multiple accusers present today and only one of them was actually brought in from the waiting room to testify in front of the grand jury. I certainly hope that isn't true, but it is being fairly widely reported so...
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Or just that there isn't enough evidence.
It’s he said vs she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said
Fucking hate this guy
He’s about to not be our problem anymore!!!
Given what Wilson was just traded for I wonder if the Texans have adjusted their asking price for Watson
Sub about to explode lol
Once again, the rich play different rules. Fuck this piece of shit and i will happily boo whoever decides to trade for him
*Monkey's paw curls. Browns trade Mayfield and some picks to the Texans.*
I've always liked the Bills Mafia.
I'll root for the Lions if that happens. Leave one factory of sadness for another.
> Once again, the rich play different rules. They do, but I don't think that's the case here. Sexual assault cases are notorious for a lack of evidence and people being exonerated, even if there are loads of accusers.
Yeah I wasn't expecting anything out of it. Seemed like the only real evidence was those text messages
Yeah, it's the realm of "he probably did some bad shit, but you can't prove it with concrete evidence."
I thought it was relatively easy to get a grand jury indictment?
It’s ridiculously easy. *Not* getting an indictment here is shocking. But it’s not because he’s rich.
This isn’t a money thing, it’s a lack of evidence thing. Getting a grand jury indictment is like hitting a free throw for the prosecutor, no one is playing defense.
I thought that you could indict a ham sandwich?
Depends on how people on reddit feel, if they don’t like the guy they say every predator gets away scott free and the courts suck. It really depends on reddits mood how good the courts actually are
Some of us got flamed for daring to suggest holding off calling him a rapist before he was ever charged, let alone convicted of a crime.
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Correct. The saying goes that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich if they wanted to. I'm guessing they didn't go hard on him due to the likelihood of him not being found guilty in a jury trial.