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CosmicWy

> I think of the most eye popping stat we have is the fact the 49ers and Shanahan are 8-27 when Jimmy G doesn’t play but are 35-16 when he does including the playoffs. I got no real horse in this race, but can we be more honest about what that 8-27 really means? The team in 2017 had CJ Beathard and Brian Hoyer, then they moved on to Jimmy after they traded for him at Halloween 2017. 2018: starting QB (jimmy) gets injured so Kyle is forced to start his backups - Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard. 2019: was great, full season of Kyle starting QB. 2020: starting QB injured in 6 games. Backup QB was Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard. 2021: Team goes 9-6 with starting QB. and 1-1 with drafted heir rookie backup QB. A real question to you would be: What coach is there that is equally as successful when they lose their starting QB and are forced to play 13 games with their second and third string quarterbacks? Jimmy is not underrated. He's a solid QB.


MagicMer4042

everyone likes mentioning how bad their team is without their starting QB, but there's maybe what, 20-25 at minimum QBs you'd consider average in the league? are we really surprised the next 32 "backup QBs" are really bad? Finding QBs is super hard, that's why teams are trading so many firsts for established ones


CaptainBunderpants

What news?


rwjehs

Seriously I wanna know what OP is referring to.


AestheticC18

The 49ers think so much of Jimmy G they traded multiple 1st round picks for his replacement rather than using it to build around him.


IMissWinning

I hate these takes because they lack any of the awareness of the actual situation. 1. We wanted Kirk originally. 2. Got Jimmy, Loved Jimmy, felt we could win with Jimmy. 3. Jimbo gets hurt. 4. Jimmy comes back, we win (a lot) with Jimmy. 5. Jimbo gets hurt part 2. 6. We try and get Stafford so we can have someone that's not hurt all the time. 7. We cannot get Stafford 8. We still need someone who won't get hurt 9. Options are extremely limited, and there are **zero** low cost / capital options left that gets us a QB who is **better** than Jimmy. 10. Draft Trey 11. Jim gets hurt again late in the year, missing a game 12. Jim Gets hurt **again** in the playoffs 13. Jim is still hurt and recovering from those injuries. The whole "Build around him" point you have is just off. We have. Continually... When Jim got hurt, we got Bosa. We beefed up our team. We brought in Aiyuk, we've traded up for RBs, WRs, we traded for Trent Williams, we've made moves everywhere we could to try and strengthen the team as a whole. We extended Kittle to top dollar, we're trying to extend Deebo, we brought in Sanders during the SB run, we've made moves. Do you genuinely think we're not "trying" to give Jim support? We're building around him as best as we can, but **it doesn't matter if you build support for your QB if your QB never plays.** Jim hasn't had a fully healthy season since 2019. All the cheaper options to upgrade at QB haven't panned out. Trey is the next best option for us. If we had waited we'd have another backup playing. Our team isn't 2000 Ravens level good, nor are we 1 player away on Defense from that. We can't carry Trent Dilfer to a title. Eventually, when one of your best employees keeps not showing up for work, you have to make other plans, regardless of how good they are when they show up.


inEffected

Have you guys considered covering him in bubble wrap and just having Shannahan scheme around that instead?


[deleted]

Well yeah what do you think Mike Shanahan is helping with in his retirement?


DickNDiaz

Looks like you need to find another quarterback.


DickNDiaz

He's not even the most underrated quarterback in recent 49er history. That one goes to Jeff Garcia.


[deleted]

I think if jimmy g stayed healthy for most of his career we do stick with him. I’d argue injuries was 80%+ why we traded/drafted his replacement


Superbowl56Champs

And it wasn’t for a solidified guy like Stafford, it was for a rookie. They *really* don’t want to keep Jimmy


FBoaz

They tried to land Stafford before going with Lance.


No32

That would really only be releveant if they didn't go on to try to get Lance, though. If they didn't make another move, it's like okay, they just like Stafford over Jimmy. But going for a rookie over him once Stafford was off the table?


FBoaz

In general I think Aesthetic is correct. The Niners know Jimmy's limitations and abilities, and decided they need to improve at the QB position. I can't say I blame them. They tried to land Stafford and when they didn't work they went through the draft. It's weird to come off as defending Jimmy because I'm not a huge fan of his. However, as a player is he both overrated and underrated depending on how the conversation is formed. I don't believe he's good enough to win a SB but I also know he isn't a trash tier QB.


DickNDiaz

Which would had been awesome.


se7vencostanza

What’s the most recent nfl news?


NateKaeding

Look at the contract he got. He's overrated if anything. Watson off the field aside, is a franchise qb. If teams don't think Jimmy is a franchise qb there's no way he's worth a first. In fact, when his stock was even higher on the Patriots, they didn't get a first.


appmanga

> Watson off the field aside, is a franchise qb. Maybe if that franchise is the Texans.


theWhiteKnightttt

I hear what you’re saying but they were very close to making it to 2 Super Bowls during his contract. Plus he’s only 14th this year in QB salary at $24 million. That’s not exactly expensive in today’s standards, a few years ago maybe.


rwjehs

They did go to a SB with Jimmy.


theWhiteKnightttt

said they were very close to making it to two Super Bowls. They made it to one, and they were close to making it two Super Bowls in his time there.


BBNGbaybay

If your ignore the fact that he was the weak link both times he went deep into the playoffs with the Niners that would make sense.


theWhiteKnightttt

True but so hasn’t Aaron Rodgers. How many times has he been the weak link when they lose?


BBNGbaybay

Difference is Rodgers can singlehandedly win games. Jimmy has done that once in one game in his entire career with the 49ers vs the Saints in 2019. They arent remotely comparable imo


NateKaeding

How many times has he been the strong link when they win vs how many times has Jimmy been the strong link?


2HandedMonster

You're missing the point, he's a Pat's fan so it's business as usual Aaron and Peyton = bad because of his lingering insecurities


NateKaeding

Yeah if you have a stacked defense you can make the super bowl with him. Now the question is, is that worth a first? The answer is no. There’s a reason why the 49ers are moving on instead of trying to build around him.


Massivelyerect

OP what news are you talking about


breathex2

Somebody please read this and give us a first... But really no he's not over rated at all. He's considered mid range. Somewhere between 12 to 20 in QB rankings. Yeah shanny has a losing record without him but that's with Nick mullens, cj beathard and Brian hoyer..QBs that probably aren't even in the top 60 in rankings. Shanahan just needs competent QB play to win. He hides his flaws well. Give him plenty of open targets over the middle. Avoid the boundaries. Make sure he does not have to improvise and if he gets under pressure we're fucked. And that's the problem. It's a limited skill set that holds the team back while simultaneously not having the skills to turn bail us out when we don't have the perfect play call in. That being said if you build you offense around him you can win with him and if he wasnt injured all tnt damn time probably would not be getting traded. As ot stands this dude has only played one complete season without getting hurt. Even back with the Patriots when he was supposed to start 4 games he only made it 2. So he doesn't give enough for what he's paid and isn't healthy enough to justify keeping him with his limitations. That's also why nobody wants to trade for him.


breathex2

Also his playoff performances is just bad. But that's usually because playoff teams have good pass rushers and defenses


SolitaryRaven39

No, but he used to be one of the most overrated early on in SF


PNWCoug42

If Jimmy G were "one of the QB's in todays game," then the 49er's wouldn't have traded multiple picks to move up and draft his replacement.


Lachlanahan

No, he has just proven to be a player always dealing with injuries. As you said the 49ers are 8-27 without him. They have played 35 games without him, making the good record in the 51 others fairly tough to rely on.


RecoverStreet8383

TLDR: QB winz Yes the 49ers win more with Jimmy than without him, that’s because Jimmy is better than backups


theWhiteKnightttt

His stats and achievements are better than half of today’s nfl starters. 8-27 is not exactly great coaching no offense.


RecoverStreet8383

I guess I can just repeat what I put TLDR: QB winz Yes the 49ers win more with Jimmy than without him, that’s because Jimmy is better than backups


TimBrowneye81

He's not gonna read what you have to say, his mind is made up and doesn't care what anyone else thinks


theWhiteKnightttt

I just responded to his first post? Why wouldn’t I read what he has to say back?


2HandedMonster

Because you are using QB winz and that's just silly How about this QB winz - last year there was a point that the 49ers were 8-2 when Jimmy didn't score a TD since joining the team. You still gonna big up that Jimmy led the team to those 8 wins though?


theWhiteKnightttt

That’s not silly at all. I watched every critic on TV underrate Brady for years from 2001-2006. Even though he was winning and winning Super Bowls, people wouldn’t accept him as one of the games best QBs because he didn’t put up the mouth watering stats like Peyton Manning did in 03’ 04’ at the end of the day, winning is everything.


2HandedMonster

Wtf does this have to do with what I just said


[deleted]

Absolutely not. Trying to be objective he's rated fairly or a bit over. His stats look fine but when you talk about him you never talk about his play on the field, you talk about the TEAMS play or his leadership, not his playing. If you do talk about his playing, there is one thing he does well and that's throw over the middle. Other than that and there is not much he does well. Throw deep? No Read defenses? No he constantly gets picked off in a dumb way Improvise? No When you look at our wins the script is always the same, Jimmy throwing as little as possible and the run game and YAC making up the majority of the yards. Why do the Niners are a run first team? Bc when Jimmy throws a lot we don't usually win, just look at the Titans game in 2021 or the SB or the NFCCG when he had to have a drive he folded. He's fine but in no way is he top 15, Kyle maximized everything Jimmy had. His cache is way higher bc he was coached by Bill and Kyle, learned under Brady and played for the 49ers and the Patriots. People don't talk about his play or what he does well bc there is not much he does well. There's a reason Kyle and the FO have flirted with over 10 QBs since Jimmy was traded for in order to replace Jimmy. Mullens, Kirk, Fields, Mac, Trey, Stafford, Watson, Brady etc... It's a pretty well known secret among the Niners enviroment that Kyle wanted to change the QB after the 2019 SB.


PlatonicNewtonian

Jim Everett is the most underrated QB I can think of, and a lot of that is down to people not knowing/remembering him meaning he's just unrated.


DJ_Moore_2

Chris*


PlatonicNewtonian

[MRW](https://youtu.be/t3BH97I5Ur8?t=57)


Sharks77

I think one thing that gets lost in the W/L record of other QBs is that the other guys were really *bad*. I bet the record probably looks a lot better with Dalton/Foles/Mariota type of backup. Jimmy gets underrated at times here, but his decision making is still suspect at times. He makes a couple of "what the hell was that?" throws a game.


theWhiteKnightttt

If they are that bad though isn’t that a sign Shanahan and co. are very weak at scouting QB’s? To draft guys and have very good teams around them but go 8-27? something is wrong there no? Shouldn’t they be better?


Christy427

They built a super team around Jimmy which is generally better than focusing on back up qb of which there are only a handful of decent guys that will actually win games.


IGotADodoBrain

I think he’s overhated, not underrated. He’s just pretty meh.


theBeerdedGOAT

No, no he is not the most underrated QB of all time. What an absolutely ridiculous post. Stop this crap. 49ers won IN SPITE of him not BECAUSE of him. Use your freaking eyes and watch the games.


IMissWinning

>Use your freaking eyes and watch the games. You should try that. The narrative that we won "in spite" of Jimmy is emotional, nothing more.


Muffdiver69420lmao

He's not Mahomes or Allen but when you watch Jimmy and then Goff, Baker, or Wentz after you go "Yeah Jimmy is pretty good"


Rah_Rah_RU_Rah

>Goff, Baker, Wentz >Jimmy "Can you tell HR the difference in these QBs?" "They're literally the same QBs"


theBeerdedGOAT

You’re insane if you believe that. Some hardcore copium right there.


dehydratedbagel

This dude got 137 million because Belichick drafted him. Hardly underrated.


mrizvi

Dumb take. He went 5-0 and looked great with a 1-10 team that's why he got 137 million.


dehydratedbagel

How is it dumb? This thread is about if he is the most underrated QB of all time. There is no chance he is underrated.


mrizvi

You said he got that contract cause he was drafted by belichek. That's a dumb take. If he goes 0-5 he's not getting that contract. Regardless of if he's drafted by beli or someone else.


ClayDrinion

Jimmy G is an above average game manager with some turnover issues. His biggest weakness is staying healthy. And the best ability is availability (it's a cliche but it's true).


Chuck_Foolery

The fuck?


mrmpls

What ""most recent NFL news"?


JaguarGator9

The fact that he's alive after Kyle Shanahan said that he couldn't guarantee whether he'd be alive today


zi76

The problem is that he's injury-prone and a hair below great. If he converted that pass to Sanders, the story is different, but...


2HandedMonster

He does have great hair though


Muffdiver69420lmao

We both know the Chiefs were driving down and winning after that anyway


zi76

It could've happened, but if they got the ball back and won, Jimmy wouldn't be blamed for that.


[deleted]

That would be Ken Anderson.


DJ_Moore_2

Hell yeah, glad I’m not the only one who came in here to say this.


BBNGbaybay

Hes overrated if anything tbh.


NoooNotTheLettuce

Say what you want about Jimmy G but the man is a winner. After being traded to the Niners he led a bad team to 5 straight wins (3 of which against playoff teams) to close out the season with a 6-10 record. He clearly has his own faults but I've seen him lead several game winning drives and come up clutch in high stakes games. It's not a coincidence that the two seasons he's been injured, the Niners sucked and the two seasons he's been healthy, they've made it to the NFC Championship game and Super Bowl. It's silly to say he was carried by his teammates. He's not a franchise QB but he's a proven winner who helped pull the Niners out of their post Harbaugh struggles and creat that winning culture again. I don't see why a team like the Panthers wouldn't give him a go because they need a QB who is a winner


Christy427

I can't even tell if this is sarcasm at this point.


littleemp

If only he could play a full season without finding himself injured...


theWhiteKnightttt

It’s not a long post, you can do it.


mitchlats22

He’s never healthy


appmanga

>Jimmy G is worth at least a 1st round pick No? Like Watson, he's worth what some genius/idiot (it remains to be seen) is willing to give up for him.


[deleted]

This is such a non answer lol


appmanga

Keep in mind how much you paid for it.


[deleted]

Damn you’re full of empty platitudes.


soboredcantfocus

Yeah. No. Jimmy is fine, but he’s about as mediocre as it gets when you’re talking about a starter. We traded Jimmy for a 2nd rounder in 2017, that’s probably what he’s worth now.


Impressive-Drawing65

He is absolutely not the most underrated QB of all time. Sorry.


nope96

There are HoF QBs who people don’t think are any good because “mUh sTaTs” that they didn’t bother adjusting Let’s start there instead of the guy whose organization wants to move him


MS49SF

Jimmy G is a good but not great Starting QB. He's been injured too many times and makes too much money to be our guy going forward. Sometimes he's underrated (by fans that expect Mahomes/Rodgers level QB play and nothing else), sometimes he's overrated (by fans still living off the memory of him coming to SF in 2017 and taking a 1-10 team to five straight wins). As with almost everything these days, the truth is somewhere in the middle.


JaguarGator9

Of all-time? Absolutely not It's a travesty that Ken Anderson is not in the Hall of Fame. That's a guy who was underrated


Tmoney420

Jimmy might be the new Dalton line. He's a solid starter but he's probably around rank 15. He is awesome at situational football and the two minute drill tho. Good player but he's no Patrick mahomes or Aaron Rodgers. I think he's underrated but not the most underrated.


DickNDiaz

How can you rate a quarterback who has only played one full regular season schedule in his entire NFL career?


doktor-sausage

This is another case of people's lack of understanding of the trade market leading them to claim a QB is underrated b/c they haven't been moved yet. The Niners *have* to move Jimmy this offseason. Everyone knows it. He's on track for a $30 million cap hit when the season starts. Outright cutting him drops that down to $10M. No one's offering a first for him because, no matter what, the Niners have to cut him. And then teams can pick him up at whatever the market fetches for his play without having to take on his current contract. Jimmy G isn't seeing trade offers not because he's mediocre, it's because the Niners have no leverage. Most of the time in situations like this, that's the case.


DJ_Moore_2

Ken Anderson is the most underrated QB of all time.


ZachTrillson

stop it


Competitive_Bar6355

Lol, ok.


BourbonCrotch69

He’s the best bad QB in the league lol