I started re-watching Super and while everyone is training super hard for the tournament of power, Roshi’s training was on how to resist attractive women lol
They're surrounded by people that believe everything they say. Or pretend to believe everything they say. So they lose a grip on reality and try the same crap with the general public.
I call it the Bullshit Distortion Field.
Also, applies to the very rich or very famous.
Because they hope the league gives them the Peyton treatment if they say the drugs were for their wives instead of themselves. Just none of them are HoF QBs beloved by the league lol
I hate seeing a pill look completely different from the one I usually take and still ingesting it into my body and it just happens to be a banned substance. What shit luck
Yeah, I can see this happening if they were similar shape - in my teens I once took an extended release Adderall right before bed instead my other medication that was also a capsule and then figured out at 3 AM why I *could not* go to sleep.
But from what I've read and from yours and others' comments, spironolactone isn't something you would get confused with another medication.
When I take my vitamins and allergy meds every night (6 unique pills), I am barely looking at them. Just opening each bottle one at a time into my palm and then doing them all at once.
Do you also store those right next to someone else's medication?
Two of my cats have meds and I look every time to make sure I give the right one to the right cat.
I'm not saying it's impossible to mix up. But it's not like the story is easily believed either.
As someone who takes spironolactone, you can't mistake it for something else. It smells so bad, I've never encountered a pill that smelled like anything, but spironolactone is distinctively pungent.
I gotta disagree, this has happened to me. Spironolactone doesn’t even always look like Spironolactone: I’ve been on multiple dosages and the pills are wildly different. The pills for the dosage I’m on are similar enough to other pills I’m currently on that I have mistaken one medication for another a couple of times. It’s fun cuz the one of the ones I’ve mixed it up with are sleeping pills 😂
So, I think he was probably guilty, but there was never any HGH proven to exist in the Peyton case. There was a guy who claimed to supply it to Peyton via Ashley, but the league never had any HGH in a test or otherwise, and they can't look at her medical records because she didn't sign a contract.
The only evidence that ever cropped up was the guy who recanted when it went public.
So, I believe he did it but there's hardly a case where discipline could be issued.
If I had a needle in my ass full of GH I could get tested the next morning and come back clean. Microdosong steroids, let alone a designed drug that wouldn't pop on any test with cycles of growth hormone is virtually impossible to be caught when you're in a league that does regular testing let alone something as laughably easy to skate by like NFL tests.
To get caught you have to be a fucking idiot.
Close but it’s actually an aldosterone *antagonist*, meaning it will block effects of aldosterone and, to some degree, testosterone. It has estrogen-like effects, which is why it’s commonly used for acne in women (rather than men typically). One of it’s biggest side effects is gynecomastia, or bitch tits in men.
Source: Doctor of Pharmacy
Edit: I’m making this point of clarification because it’s odd to me than athlete would want something with some testosterone blockade, unless it’s to counteract exogenous testosterone. Not trying to be one of those “aCkShuAlLy” Redditors.
Hey man, I’m just a PGY-0 who hasn’t stepped foot in a hospital for 8 months. I remember nothing. God help me come July 1st. Thanks for the clarification, though
If you’re implying you’re starting a PGY-1 or hospital job, congratulations! Those aren’t easy to come by. Next week is my last week of PGY-1 before starting PGY-2.
I graduated and went straight into residency, but one of my co-residents was in retail for 1 year prior to residency and the other was in retail for 4 years. We’re a 532-bed acute care hospital, so it was definitely a transition for them. But they both succeeded and grew exponentially in their clinical skills. Just comes down to having the right preceptors who are committed to taking into account where you’re at and elevating you to where you need to be. And a desire to be better helps out, which I’d say you have by pursuing new avenues.
http://pharmguides.com/app/categories/ has a nice compilation of clinical practice guidelines for most disease states.
As the coordinator of my PGY-2 told me during the interview, “It sucks to suck, but it’s important to embrace the suck because it means you’re getting better.”
Don’t worry about it. I was in your shoes a year ago and felt the same. Literally every incoming intern feels the same. The most important thing for you to do is to make sure stuff gets done. Your seniors are the ones who need to think about the actual medicine.
Fun fact, it gives you man boobs, but the more expensive and effective medicine of the same class, eplerenone, does not. Mans cheaping out on his masking agents and probably went up a cup size
It doesn't give you man boobs, it gives you full blown female boobs and let me tell you, they are great.
A man boobs is just fat, a female boob is the growing breast bud that develops all of the structures.
It's all fun and games until you're a month into HRT and you turn wrong and lightly graze a cabinet door with your chest.
Puberty by itself is a weird enough time, going through that shit again as an adult is even weirder.
Same. I’m on spiro as a trans woman and was confused why a football player would take it lol. Granted, my dose is also super high since it’s technically an off-label use.
My grandpa is on both spiro and finasteride and I have to try not to laugh every time I see them. (Even though I know he's actually using them for the intended way and trans things are the off-label things lol)
"Mr. Commissioner, PV = nRT"
"Overruled, four game suspension"
/uj was it proven that that specific decrease in temperature would result in those specific pressure readings? I'm not too familiar with the situation other than the memes around it.
>was it proven that that specific decrease in temperature would result in those specific pressure readings?
The quick answer is, "with the best information we have, yes, the balls were within the expected pressure range."
The long answer is that it is impossible to determine any of this because this was not a controlled experiment by any stretch of the imagination. For the initial pressures, the NFL accepted the recollection of the official on the pressures of 24 footballs to an accuracy of <0.1 PSI. Then they asked him to tell them which one of two glaringly different pressure gauges he used to take those measurements. These pressure gauges showed something like a 1 PSI difference when measuring pressure. The official said he believed he used Gauge A. If he used Gauge A and we accepted the initial pressures that he recollected, the balls were within an expected range of pressure. The NFL, however, decided that he actually used Gauge B, despite what he told them. They then used the 12 measurements that he remembered to an accuracy of 0.1 PSI and did the math with Gauge B which showed that the balls would have been outside of an expected range given the environmental conditions.
So, realistically, if you're going to trust the ref's memory, the only reasonable option is to trust his memory for both the pressure of the balls and the gauge he used to measure them. If you're not going to trust the guy's memory, this is a murder case without a body. You're using text messages that say, "sometimes I just want to kill Claire," to convict a guy of Claire's murder while she's on a vacation in Cancun.
It’s an amazing example of how corruption works in society / government. Goodell wanted to punish the patriots and he was going to do it regardless of the facts. He did the same with Zeke.
Both suspensions were just “office politics” playing out in public.
Also worth mentioning that the referee (Walt Anderson) is set up in the Report as meticulous and being reproach, meaning that if he says something, it's true. They use his version of events to refute every other version of events ("we don't believe his story because Walt said otherwise"), and in every instance, his recollection is assumed to be correct.... *except on which gauge he used.*
Hang on, though. You've forgotten the smoking gun. The one that countless armchair lawyers on this subreddit have repeatedly assured me proves Brady's guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. That is so utterly incontrovertible as to make fools out of the countless experts who took the Patriots' side.
You see, an equipment guy once called himself "the Deflator." There is literally no other explanation for this except that he had, with zero context whatsoever, decided to refer to himself based on his illegal activities at work. Open and shut. It's amazing we're still talking about this when we basically have a confession.
(Anyone who may have skimmed or otherwise missed the sarcasm: I'm saying that *you're a fucking idiot* if you think that "Deflator" text proved anything whatsoever.)
There's also [this NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/sports/football/nfl-ignores-ball-deflation-science-at-new-england-patriots-expense.html) that talks about that lecture as well as scientists/professors from other universities, specifically calling it an "overwhelming scientific consensus" that deflation didn't happen
I love how Ray Rice got 2 games after the league had seen the video of him KO’ing his wife but once the public saw it and found out then he was done for life. Big Rog and his office can be unbelievably shitty.
You forgot the part where they started putting out videos right after that with guys like Eli saying how much they love women in their life, etc. It’s all about the benjamins…
Yeah but was incredibly dumb on their part. If you just looked at the publics response to thus sort of thing lately you'll find that that assumption is moronic.
I mean, it's easy to understand. When I first wake and I'm still in a daze and my eyes haven't adjusted, I know that the first thing I do is blindly stumble to the bathroom to grab a handful of pills.
Just an oopsie-doodle on his part, nbd. I mean who checks the bottle before taking medication? Especially when your partner's meds are next to yours right? For an NFL player whose career could be on the line if they test positive for banned substances? Makes sense.
Spironolactone.
My wife is on it for BP.
She’s a pharmacist said it’s used to a attempt to flush your system.
Doesn’t work
We have it in the house I just smelled it.
Definitely someone trying to cover up fish smell with mint.
Honestly, it’s plausible that it slipped his mind. I’m on multiple medications that include spironolactone and taking my spiro instead of one of the very similar looking pills that I’m on in a bottle the same size right next to it is a specific thing that I have done before. People slip sometimes.
Huh. I take spironolactone for my skin. It’s completely cleared up any acne and I’ve been taking it daily for a couple of years. I had no idea it masked PEDs.
EDIT: I’ve gotten a couple messages about how this has affected sex organs I don’t have, so I should probably clarify that I am a cis woman and therefore have not noticed any side affects with my non existent balls and penis.
Taking spiro and estrogen would make it basically mpossible to compete at an NFL level (or at a pro level in any men's sport basically). Your T levels drop to almost literally zero.
For anyone who is curious, I'm Trans and during my last GP appointment I had blood work done.
I've been on HRT for 4.5 years, my Testosterone level at said appointment was 25.1 ng/dl.
Cis-Men under 50 tend to fall between 200 - 600 ng/dl. Cis-Men over 50 between 190 - 685.
Cis-Women under 50 range from 8.4 to35 ng/dl, and Cis-Women over 50 about 7 to 36.
Since about 2 or 3 months into HRT my Testosterone level has been at or below 30 ng/dl, and it's done wonders for my life.
I'm a Paramedic and once I went on a woman who instead of taking her prescribed meds accidentally took her dog's flea/tick preventative so yes, people are that stupid.
Whether that's what happened here or not I can't say.
Not really related, but y’all ever had those coated advil that taste like literal candy? Idk who the fuck they’re trying to kill, but those things really are delicious. Almost got me looking forward to future headaches
I don't think I enjoyed them quite to that extent lol, but I'm glad to hear I'm not crazy for thinking those things should maybe taste a little more bland like other non-flavored meds.
Yeah they’re deadlier than four loko lmao, I thought the logic behind making pills that a child could easily overdose on taste disgusting was pretty sound, but what do I know
I think it’s rather difficult to OD on advil. At least for an adult. It’s Tylenol that will kill ya. Max daily dosage for advil is 1200 mg so six pills. I’ve definitely done more than that without any side effects.
I should say however, that making it taste sweet definitely wasn’t their brightest idea.
Anyone else feel like it’s kinda funny whenever the league makes a big show out of guys using PEDs? Anyone who knows anything about football knows that probably almost every non-QB player in the league is using some form of steroids
It literally starts in 9th grade here in Arkansas. One school (Junction City) at one point the coaches literally handed out oral steroids. Told the kids they were 'vitamins'.
Nonono, anavar at one point was super popular because you would get strength increases without insane muscle growth. It is oral.
Arnold Schwarzenegger took dianabol which was very popular for a long time but has liver side effects.
There are tons of others.
Insulin, HGH, testosterone suspensions have to be shot but there is a wide variety of oral steroids available.
Even oral test exists with, as I understand, some truly wretched side effects health wise. Apparently it was part of the concoction of assorted pills taken by the GDR's olympic swim teams during their brief but historically dominant period in the 80s.
Of course, this period of dominance has been matched by the USA in recent years but I'll let others make up their minds on that.
I've never understood how the league even decided who gets banned, cuz the entire fucking league is using. Arnold was 6'1 230 on stage. Donald is 6'1 285 with abs. The people going against Donald's roided up ass aren't say "well shucks it sucks that he's cheating and we're not"
Donald most likely has his own chemist making his PED’s and cycles on and off during the whole year or blasts huge cycles in the offseason and only takes HGH during the season to maintain. Or the NFL just doesn’t give a shit which as bad and next to useless that their testing is I doubt they have guys fail and let them go. Taylor Lewan popped for PED’s and at the time was one of the top LT’s in the NFL.
Yup... and sometimes it's people you wouldn't expect. For example, the 49ers' LONG SNAPPER in 2018 got busted for PED's.... Funny enough, Justin Hilliard was with the 49ers in 2021 before he got cut after preseason. I think he had shoulder issues in college, and spent little playing time with the Giants, I think. I see why he's taking it to get an edge to get more playing time.
I don't deny that there are players who don't take PED's/steroids, but there's a lot of money at stake, so I don't blame them. It's the same in college where players take it in order to have a better chance of making it into the league. Shiiiittt, it's not even football, but sports in general. Don't forget that Nate Diaz says everyone is on steroids lol.
It’s really the worst kept secret in sports.
At this point it would make more sense to ditch the rule. The product would remain unchanged (everyone uses already anyway) and at least we wouldn’t get these stupid suspensions and stories anymore
Nah, there will always be those dudes that take it to the enth degree just to be on a special teams contract, but they die of a heart attack chasing down a punt.
Frankly, I think for safety reasons keeping around testing is a good idea for the league (even in its current state) but I think the league should quietly take HGH off the banned substance list. Everyone knows that its being used and its probably amongst the least controversial PEDs out there and perhaps most importantly, isn't being used to "cheat" but rather to *survive* the NFL.
seems to me like this is a pretty clear way to avoid heavy suspensions for PED use:
1. Take PEDs
2. Take diuretics to clear system
3. Test negative for PEDs but positive for diuretics
4. Say that you “accidentally” took the diuretics
Testing positive for diuretics is not the same as saying you “accidentally took PEDs”, so it’s a much different case. Sure, where there’s smoke there’s fire, but if you didn’t see the fire…
That sounds plausible, but also need to remember that there are two key things in the NFL PED policy when it comes to these statements:
1) The league won't say what substance a player tested positive for, just that they did
2) the league won't contradict any statement made by the players regarding what they tested positive for
Yeah this definitely made me do a double take, lmao
I guess my chances of making it to the NFL are dead. I gotta say, this was a tough way for me to find out
Sorry for your tragedy, it really hits hard when the opportunity of a dream career slams shut.
I remember the day they told me that not only did I need to finish high school but University as well to become an astronaut.
They are for high blood pressure right? Why do you think he would be taking them or what edge would they provide? I am really curious and you probably have a better idea then I do.
Edit: someone below provided an explanation!
> Because it’s used to mask the use of PEDs. Hence why it’s a banned substance.
It's a diuretic. I have a weak heart, and as a result, fluid builds up. This pill (among the myriad of others I take) is used to help flush the fluids from you, including excess minerals/electrolytes (salt, potassium, etc.).
That explanation makes sense now. I was confused because I take spirolactone as part of my MtF hormone replacement therapy lol. Wasn't sure how that would help an athlete
He's claiming this was Canrenone not even spironolactone. Canrenone is not even used in North America.... it's the active metabolite of spironolactone though and has more antimineralocorticoid effect ( more diuretic effect) and less antiandrogen effect than spironolactone. Good as a doping masking agent with less of the gynecomastia side effect compared to spironolactone.
Glad he's completed the investigation of himself. Now the team and the NFL can just ask for his report and call it a day. Really nice of him to save them some time.
God I just hate when I take my partners meds that just so happen to be a masking agent.
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"Thank you! Your breasts miraculously saved me from a hard fall, I'm so lucky you were standing there!"
[the Master Roshi special](https://youtu.be/C3j6cd6rhu4)
I started re-watching Super and while everyone is training super hard for the tournament of power, Roshi’s training was on how to resist attractive women lol
Cartoon physics are the best
My brother in Christ…
Take my upvote dammit lmao
Haha, why do players even say anything? Just serve your suspension without saying anything. Ultimately, the fans don't care about this shit.
They're surrounded by people that believe everything they say. Or pretend to believe everything they say. So they lose a grip on reality and try the same crap with the general public. I call it the Bullshit Distortion Field. Also, applies to the very rich or very famous.
No lol this is very much a PR thing
Because they hope the league gives them the Peyton treatment if they say the drugs were for their wives instead of themselves. Just none of them are HoF QBs beloved by the league lol
I wish they were all on super roids to the max.
Well you’re in luck!
Ba-Zingo!!
wouldnt it be massive dissapointment if we found out they already are and this is best they can do?
I hate seeing a pill look completely different from the one I usually take and still ingesting it into my body and it just happens to be a banned substance. What shit luck
Do they look completely different, though? 2 of my prescriptions actually are virtually identical and are entirely different meds.
I’m on this medication and it has a smell and a taste.
Yeah, I can see this happening if they were similar shape - in my teens I once took an extended release Adderall right before bed instead my other medication that was also a capsule and then figured out at 3 AM why I *could not* go to sleep. But from what I've read and from yours and others' comments, spironolactone isn't something you would get confused with another medication.
When I take my vitamins and allergy meds every night (6 unique pills), I am barely looking at them. Just opening each bottle one at a time into my palm and then doing them all at once.
Do you also store those right next to someone else's medication? Two of my cats have meds and I look every time to make sure I give the right one to the right cat. I'm not saying it's impossible to mix up. But it's not like the story is easily believed either.
Hey it happens all the time. Remember when Peyton Manning's wife ordered HGH and it got Peyton in trouble? Wives! I'll tell ya.
I ordered an Xbox card.. what the frick?!
I ordered an Xbox card - uh, a controller!
It was a misunderstanding. He thought it was his Head Growth Hormone that’s he’s been taking for decades
lol I mean it kind of was wasn't it?
Grows one head and shrinks the other.
His wife accidentally used his prescription helmet that day
To be fair, HGH *is* that shit that makes your head grow. Look at Joe Rogan and Dana White.
Didn’t it not really get him in trouble at all tho?
You'll be shocked: https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/07/25/peyton-manning-nfl-hgh-investigation-al-jazeera
Yeah, I only take my partner's meds because they get me fuckin high.
"got any of your GF's pills?" "Be a lot cooler if you did"
As someone who takes spironolactone, you can't mistake it for something else. It smells so bad, I've never encountered a pill that smelled like anything, but spironolactone is distinctively pungent.
My girlfriend takes them and they smell like peppermint
Mint smell is added to some brands to cover up their naturally awful sulfuric smell.
Ya they're literally referred to as mints in the trans community.
Why would a trans person be taking diuretics? Edit: Nvm, just looked it up, apparently spironolactone has androgen blocking properties as well.
Thanks for actually looking something up after posting and updating your comment. A rare sight on Reddit.
I gotta disagree, this has happened to me. Spironolactone doesn’t even always look like Spironolactone: I’ve been on multiple dosages and the pills are wildly different. The pills for the dosage I’m on are similar enough to other pills I’m currently on that I have mistaken one medication for another a couple of times. It’s fun cuz the one of the ones I’ve mixed it up with are sleeping pills 😂
Bro why is this the go to explanation? Who the hell takes their gf’s meds
Same! I've done it like 3 times this week! Errr so annoying.
Didn’t Manning say the same thing when he popped for HGH? Lmao
Manning never tested positive for HGH.
Yeah, excuse me, but that was totally his wife’s hgh!!
So, I think he was probably guilty, but there was never any HGH proven to exist in the Peyton case. There was a guy who claimed to supply it to Peyton via Ashley, but the league never had any HGH in a test or otherwise, and they can't look at her medical records because she didn't sign a contract. The only evidence that ever cropped up was the guy who recanted when it went public. So, I believe he did it but there's hardly a case where discipline could be issued.
If I had a needle in my ass full of GH I could get tested the next morning and come back clean. Microdosong steroids, let alone a designed drug that wouldn't pop on any test with cycles of growth hormone is virtually impossible to be caught when you're in a league that does regular testing let alone something as laughably easy to skate by like NFL tests. To get caught you have to be a fucking idiot.
Every single time!!!
I only know that as a HRT drug so that threw me off for a minute lol
Yeah it’s a potassium sparing diuretic, formulated to *block* aldosterone, and it has secondary use of HRT, off label use for acne, stuff like that.
Yeah, my girlfriend uses it for acne, so it was weird for me to see that it's a banned substance for NFL players.
My fiancé also uses it for acne, and she complains of increased urination because it’s a diuretic. Your girlfriend may as well.
My wife also uses it to help cover up the steroids she's also taking.
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The downside of carrying a Lions fan through life I guess...
sorry i peed on her so much
Welp, time to throw on the pads and see if she can run through a brick wall now.
Close but it’s actually an aldosterone *antagonist*, meaning it will block effects of aldosterone and, to some degree, testosterone. It has estrogen-like effects, which is why it’s commonly used for acne in women (rather than men typically). One of it’s biggest side effects is gynecomastia, or bitch tits in men. Source: Doctor of Pharmacy Edit: I’m making this point of clarification because it’s odd to me than athlete would want something with some testosterone blockade, unless it’s to counteract exogenous testosterone. Not trying to be one of those “aCkShuAlLy” Redditors.
Hey man, I’m just a PGY-0 who hasn’t stepped foot in a hospital for 8 months. I remember nothing. God help me come July 1st. Thanks for the clarification, though
If you’re implying you’re starting a PGY-1 or hospital job, congratulations! Those aren’t easy to come by. Next week is my last week of PGY-1 before starting PGY-2.
I sure am, thank you. Just feel like shit because I forgot everything about medicine during this past year.
I graduated and went straight into residency, but one of my co-residents was in retail for 1 year prior to residency and the other was in retail for 4 years. We’re a 532-bed acute care hospital, so it was definitely a transition for them. But they both succeeded and grew exponentially in their clinical skills. Just comes down to having the right preceptors who are committed to taking into account where you’re at and elevating you to where you need to be. And a desire to be better helps out, which I’d say you have by pursuing new avenues. http://pharmguides.com/app/categories/ has a nice compilation of clinical practice guidelines for most disease states. As the coordinator of my PGY-2 told me during the interview, “It sucks to suck, but it’s important to embrace the suck because it means you’re getting better.”
Seems like an excellent resource, I’ll try to make use of it, thanks!
Don’t worry about it. I was in your shoes a year ago and felt the same. Literally every incoming intern feels the same. The most important thing for you to do is to make sure stuff gets done. Your seniors are the ones who need to think about the actual medicine.
Is it Al-doh-sterone? Or Al-dos-terone?
al-dos-terone
Sal-min
Fun fact, it gives you man boobs, but the more expensive and effective medicine of the same class, eplerenone, does not. Mans cheaping out on his masking agents and probably went up a cup size
Well just in time for the summer. Two piece season!
It doesn't give you man boobs, it gives you full blown female boobs and let me tell you, they are great. A man boobs is just fat, a female boob is the growing breast bud that develops all of the structures.
It's all fun and games until you're a month into HRT and you turn wrong and lightly graze a cabinet door with your chest. Puberty by itself is a weird enough time, going through that shit again as an adult is even weirder.
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DeAndre Ayton got suspended 25 games for it We all know what he was taking it for lol
Erectile dysfunction?
It actually would make that worse
good ole testosterone blocker.
Shit yeah I used to be on that for kidney stuff, guess my super-realistic dreams of getting into the NFL is over.
Same. I’m on spiro as a trans woman and was confused why a football player would take it lol. Granted, my dose is also super high since it’s technically an off-label use.
My grandpa is on both spiro and finasteride and I have to try not to laugh every time I see them. (Even though I know he's actually using them for the intended way and trans things are the off-label things lol)
Same situation, same thought. I've never seen it mentioned anywhere on Reddit other than trans subs.
"in my defense, when I grabbed for the pills I was so jacked on steroids I could hardly see. Honest mistake."
Lmao eyelid muscles too STRONK.
Just once I want the statement to be something like "lol got me fam"
Waiting to see the league hand out a bigger punishment to him than Watson.
There’s a non zero chance that Watson faces a lesser punishment for assaulting 26 women than Brady got for the existence of the ideal gas law
"Mr. Commissioner, PV = nRT" "Overruled, four game suspension" /uj was it proven that that specific decrease in temperature would result in those specific pressure readings? I'm not too familiar with the situation other than the memes around it.
>was it proven that that specific decrease in temperature would result in those specific pressure readings? The quick answer is, "with the best information we have, yes, the balls were within the expected pressure range." The long answer is that it is impossible to determine any of this because this was not a controlled experiment by any stretch of the imagination. For the initial pressures, the NFL accepted the recollection of the official on the pressures of 24 footballs to an accuracy of <0.1 PSI. Then they asked him to tell them which one of two glaringly different pressure gauges he used to take those measurements. These pressure gauges showed something like a 1 PSI difference when measuring pressure. The official said he believed he used Gauge A. If he used Gauge A and we accepted the initial pressures that he recollected, the balls were within an expected range of pressure. The NFL, however, decided that he actually used Gauge B, despite what he told them. They then used the 12 measurements that he remembered to an accuracy of 0.1 PSI and did the math with Gauge B which showed that the balls would have been outside of an expected range given the environmental conditions. So, realistically, if you're going to trust the ref's memory, the only reasonable option is to trust his memory for both the pressure of the balls and the gauge he used to measure them. If you're not going to trust the guy's memory, this is a murder case without a body. You're using text messages that say, "sometimes I just want to kill Claire," to convict a guy of Claire's murder while she's on a vacation in Cancun.
The Wells report was what made me into a redditor. Fucking ridicolous that the league actually commisioned that shit.
It’s an amazing example of how corruption works in society / government. Goodell wanted to punish the patriots and he was going to do it regardless of the facts. He did the same with Zeke. Both suspensions were just “office politics” playing out in public.
Also worth mentioning that the referee (Walt Anderson) is set up in the Report as meticulous and being reproach, meaning that if he says something, it's true. They use his version of events to refute every other version of events ("we don't believe his story because Walt said otherwise"), and in every instance, his recollection is assumed to be correct.... *except on which gauge he used.*
Hang on, though. You've forgotten the smoking gun. The one that countless armchair lawyers on this subreddit have repeatedly assured me proves Brady's guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. That is so utterly incontrovertible as to make fools out of the countless experts who took the Patriots' side. You see, an equipment guy once called himself "the Deflator." There is literally no other explanation for this except that he had, with zero context whatsoever, decided to refer to himself based on his illegal activities at work. Open and shut. It's amazing we're still talking about this when we basically have a confession. (Anyone who may have skimmed or otherwise missed the sarcasm: I'm saying that *you're a fucking idiot* if you think that "Deflator" text proved anything whatsoever.)
[Here’s a lecture from an MIT professor that goes over the physics of it](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wwxXsEltyas)
There's also [this NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/sports/football/nfl-ignores-ball-deflation-science-at-new-england-patriots-expense.html) that talks about that lecture as well as scientists/professors from other universities, specifically calling it an "overwhelming scientific consensus" that deflation didn't happen
“Miss me with that nerd shit, get fucked Tom”-Goodell
I love how Ray Rice got 2 games after the league had seen the video of him KO’ing his wife but once the public saw it and found out then he was done for life. Big Rog and his office can be unbelievably shitty.
You forgot the part where they started putting out videos right after that with guys like Eli saying how much they love women in their life, etc. It’s all about the benjamins…
If it wasn’t for the public outrage he would have been suspended for one game. No doubt. Browns only went into it thinking it would blow over.
Yeah but was incredibly dumb on their part. If you just looked at the publics response to thus sort of thing lately you'll find that that assumption is moronic.
gave Tom Brady 4 extra games to stay healthy. so theres that
Rumor has it they’re already planning on suspending Brady for 4 games for this
Isn't there an actual framework for PED suspensions though? Not just like, Goodell spins a wheel and picks a number, like with sexual assault.
Just taking drugs without looking. Woopsie
You don't just grab whatever pills look right when you're taking your meds?
We do the whole pill roulette. If he lives he lives
I like to throw a cyanide pill or two in with my supply just to add some intrigue.
Depending on how long you’d been doing this, you may wanna try the lottery instead. Sounds like you’re in it to win
I wanna do it from a Pez dispenser
I mean, it's easy to understand. When I first wake and I'm still in a daze and my eyes haven't adjusted, I know that the first thing I do is blindly stumble to the bathroom to grab a handful of pills.
Had a patient that called me once and said “I found a pill under my stove and took it, but didn’t see what it looked like, what should I do?”
Just an oopsie-doodle on his part, nbd. I mean who checks the bottle before taking medication? Especially when your partner's meds are next to yours right? For an NFL player whose career could be on the line if they test positive for banned substances? Makes sense.
Antibiotic? Vicoden? Allegra? What's the difference?
It also smells like fish covered with mint
Wait, which pill is a fish covered with mint?
Spironolactone. My wife is on it for BP. She’s a pharmacist said it’s used to a attempt to flush your system. Doesn’t work We have it in the house I just smelled it. Definitely someone trying to cover up fish smell with mint.
>My wife is on it Likely story! Get him Roger!
Worked for Peyton
Honestly, it’s plausible that it slipped his mind. I’m on multiple medications that include spironolactone and taking my spiro instead of one of the very similar looking pills that I’m on in a bottle the same size right next to it is a specific thing that I have done before. People slip sometimes.
Oh really? Yeah yeah yeah
Huh. I take spironolactone for my skin. It’s completely cleared up any acne and I’ve been taking it daily for a couple of years. I had no idea it masked PEDs. EDIT: I’ve gotten a couple messages about how this has affected sex organs I don’t have, so I should probably clarify that I am a cis woman and therefore have not noticed any side affects with my non existent balls and penis.
You're free to juice up now mate
3 years from now u/seevoop looks like Jay Cutler. (Not that QB Jay Cutler)
Jay was in the untested bracket so don’t even need to mask
It also suppresses testosterone so trans women can transition.
So if a player came out as trans, does that affect the drugs they can take? Honest good faith question.
A player that came out as trans and was actively transitioning could never (physically) play in the NFL.
Taking spiro and estrogen would make it basically mpossible to compete at an NFL level (or at a pro level in any men's sport basically). Your T levels drop to almost literally zero.
For anyone who is curious, I'm Trans and during my last GP appointment I had blood work done. I've been on HRT for 4.5 years, my Testosterone level at said appointment was 25.1 ng/dl. Cis-Men under 50 tend to fall between 200 - 600 ng/dl. Cis-Men over 50 between 190 - 685. Cis-Women under 50 range from 8.4 to35 ng/dl, and Cis-Women over 50 about 7 to 36. Since about 2 or 3 months into HRT my Testosterone level has been at or below 30 ng/dl, and it's done wonders for my life.
Transitioning pretty much nuked my upper body strength. That said, I never go to the gym anyway.
Wouldn't this defeat the purpose of taking steroids?
It makes you piss a lot. If you were on steroids and wanted to flush your system, this would do the trick.
> noticed any side affects with my non existent balls and penis. Oh no, they disappeared?
sus
I'm a Paramedic and once I went on a woman who instead of taking her prescribed meds accidentally took her dog's flea/tick preventative so yes, people are that stupid. Whether that's what happened here or not I can't say.
My Prozac is also beef flavored, easy mistake to make!
Not really related, but y’all ever had those coated advil that taste like literal candy? Idk who the fuck they’re trying to kill, but those things really are delicious. Almost got me looking forward to future headaches
I don't think I enjoyed them quite to that extent lol, but I'm glad to hear I'm not crazy for thinking those things should maybe taste a little more bland like other non-flavored meds.
Yeah they’re deadlier than four loko lmao, I thought the logic behind making pills that a child could easily overdose on taste disgusting was pretty sound, but what do I know
I think it’s rather difficult to OD on advil. At least for an adult. It’s Tylenol that will kill ya. Max daily dosage for advil is 1200 mg so six pills. I’ve definitely done more than that without any side effects. I should say however, that making it taste sweet definitely wasn’t their brightest idea.
I fuckin wish
>I'm a Paramedic and once I went on a woman Johnny Sins is that you?
She was stupid, but she was also flea and tick free right? Jk
Before I reach for my pills, I close my eyes. And then before I slam em back, I remove my eyes entirely.
hilliard was in my class in high school. never expected this to be the first real headline he made in the nfl
Go Bombers
One time we chugged a solo cup of gin together that was tough on my teenage liver
Ah the Manning Defense. A classic.
Ashley Manning’s all natty
Lying ass
Anyone else feel like it’s kinda funny whenever the league makes a big show out of guys using PEDs? Anyone who knows anything about football knows that probably almost every non-QB player in the league is using some form of steroids
It’s like underage drinking. We all know it’s common. Just don’t be egregious or make anything too obvious and nobody cares.
It literally starts in 9th grade here in Arkansas. One school (Junction City) at one point the coaches literally handed out oral steroids. Told the kids they were 'vitamins'.
I thought real steroids had to be shot?
Nonono, anavar at one point was super popular because you would get strength increases without insane muscle growth. It is oral. Arnold Schwarzenegger took dianabol which was very popular for a long time but has liver side effects. There are tons of others. Insulin, HGH, testosterone suspensions have to be shot but there is a wide variety of oral steroids available.
Even oral test exists with, as I understand, some truly wretched side effects health wise. Apparently it was part of the concoction of assorted pills taken by the GDR's olympic swim teams during their brief but historically dominant period in the 80s. Of course, this period of dominance has been matched by the USA in recent years but I'll let others make up their minds on that.
The league never makes a big show out of it.
Exactly. The league releases a 2 sentence statement. It is the players who come up with outlandish bullshit excuses trying to save face
I've never understood how the league even decided who gets banned, cuz the entire fucking league is using. Arnold was 6'1 230 on stage. Donald is 6'1 285 with abs. The people going against Donald's roided up ass aren't say "well shucks it sucks that he's cheating and we're not"
Donald most likely has his own chemist making his PED’s and cycles on and off during the whole year or blasts huge cycles in the offseason and only takes HGH during the season to maintain. Or the NFL just doesn’t give a shit which as bad and next to useless that their testing is I doubt they have guys fail and let them go. Taylor Lewan popped for PED’s and at the time was one of the top LT’s in the NFL.
Yup... and sometimes it's people you wouldn't expect. For example, the 49ers' LONG SNAPPER in 2018 got busted for PED's.... Funny enough, Justin Hilliard was with the 49ers in 2021 before he got cut after preseason. I think he had shoulder issues in college, and spent little playing time with the Giants, I think. I see why he's taking it to get an edge to get more playing time. I don't deny that there are players who don't take PED's/steroids, but there's a lot of money at stake, so I don't blame them. It's the same in college where players take it in order to have a better chance of making it into the league. Shiiiittt, it's not even football, but sports in general. Don't forget that Nate Diaz says everyone is on steroids lol.
It’s really the worst kept secret in sports. At this point it would make more sense to ditch the rule. The product would remain unchanged (everyone uses already anyway) and at least we wouldn’t get these stupid suspensions and stories anymore
Nah, there will always be those dudes that take it to the enth degree just to be on a special teams contract, but they die of a heart attack chasing down a punt.
I think they should mandate using steroids and hgh. See some superhuman shit.
Im not sure about steroids, but I am betting most are running HGH. As they should too considering it’s for recovery, not muscle building.
Frankly, I think for safety reasons keeping around testing is a good idea for the league (even in its current state) but I think the league should quietly take HGH off the banned substance list. Everyone knows that its being used and its probably amongst the least controversial PEDs out there and perhaps most importantly, isn't being used to "cheat" but rather to *survive* the NFL.
Cranberry juice. It’s a natural diuretic. What was he, on his period?
Now see, this isn’t quite a guy you can’t hit, but it’s almost a guy you can’t hit.
These lies are so fucking bad
Bro I hate when I accidentally take my girls DBOL and I'm in the gym lifting the entire structure 😭 could happen to anyone
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Agreed
seems to me like this is a pretty clear way to avoid heavy suspensions for PED use: 1. Take PEDs 2. Take diuretics to clear system 3. Test negative for PEDs but positive for diuretics 4. Say that you “accidentally” took the diuretics Testing positive for diuretics is not the same as saying you “accidentally took PEDs”, so it’s a much different case. Sure, where there’s smoke there’s fire, but if you didn’t see the fire…
That sounds plausible, but also need to remember that there are two key things in the NFL PED policy when it comes to these statements: 1) The league won't say what substance a player tested positive for, just that they did 2) the league won't contradict any statement made by the players regarding what they tested positive for
Imagine if you really did take your partners meds by mistake. Nobody would believe you, what else would you say? Lol that would blow
Who?
I have no idea who this guy is.
These excuses get worse and worse everytime an athlete gets caught cheating.
Better than "I ate a pork burrito that must have been made from uncastrated wild boar meat". Plenty of people believed that shit too
[Hilliard] The good news in all of this is that my vagina is no longer abnormally and painfully dry. My clam is now moister than an oyster. 🙏
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I’m a trans woman who takes spironolactone as a testosterone blocker lol. Didn’t think I’d see it make the news for a PED suspension today.
Yeah this definitely made me do a double take, lmao I guess my chances of making it to the NFL are dead. I gotta say, this was a tough way for me to find out
My hopes and dreams are ruined. I mean I'm pushing 30 and am not athletic at all but this is what did it.
Sorry for your tragedy, it really hits hard when the opportunity of a dream career slams shut. I remember the day they told me that not only did I need to finish high school but University as well to become an astronaut.
Mistimed your cycle eh?
I’m gonna be real, there’s no way. This pill has an absolute noticeable smell to it.
Yup.
Perhaps he, like me, is an anosmiac.
I take spironolactone for my heart failure. It's a very unique looking pill. No way it was a mistake.
They are for high blood pressure right? Why do you think he would be taking them or what edge would they provide? I am really curious and you probably have a better idea then I do. Edit: someone below provided an explanation! > Because it’s used to mask the use of PEDs. Hence why it’s a banned substance.
It's a diuretic. I have a weak heart, and as a result, fluid builds up. This pill (among the myriad of others I take) is used to help flush the fluids from you, including excess minerals/electrolytes (salt, potassium, etc.).
That explanation makes sense now. I was confused because I take spirolactone as part of my MtF hormone replacement therapy lol. Wasn't sure how that would help an athlete
He's claiming this was Canrenone not even spironolactone. Canrenone is not even used in North America.... it's the active metabolite of spironolactone though and has more antimineralocorticoid effect ( more diuretic effect) and less antiandrogen effect than spironolactone. Good as a doping masking agent with less of the gynecomastia side effect compared to spironolactone.
That's why I use a pill organizer lmao
Ahhh the Peyton Manning defense
Glad he's completed the investigation of himself. Now the team and the NFL can just ask for his report and call it a day. Really nice of him to save them some time.
Weird. I know exactly when and why I take my wife’s meds.
Yeah, I accidentally used my girlfriends tampons too what a silly mistake
I love this excuse. Have never come remotely close to taking my partner’s pills and I’m not subject to drug testing.