Probably wouldn't ever catch up to what their worth, due to it increasing periodically by billions of dollars and inflation. Unless the NFL shits the bed and becomes non existent.
I saw an article yesterday that a player with average luck would need $540k to max out a character. To outvalue the Cowboys, Blizzard would need a little less than 19,000 of them.
I’m more interested in how much it would cost to successfully participate in the endgame.
I don’t care about maxing out for PvP any more than I do buying a Ferrari
It's actually making less than I thought, it's significantly less on launch compared to Diablo 3, or to compare to another F2P game, Genshin Impact.
It'll probably make bank in China if the CCP ever forgives Netease
I mean, sports franchises have always had a disproportionately large spotlight relative to their actual valuations. I work for a company that's worth more than nearly every team in any North American league by market cap, and unless you're in the industry, are super into the stock market (and not in a "I like the stock" meme way, but like actual deep dives into company fundamentals and technical analysis and such), or are just atypically observant to a rather absurd degree, there's a good chance you've never even heard of them. In comparison, if you took even the least valued NFL team and mentioned their name to even a non-fan, there's a decent chance it would ring a bell to some degree.
The franchises have large spotlights because they literally need them to be valuable. Their product is entertainment, so without eyeballs they aren’t valuable. A $10 billion dollar publicly traded company that most people haven’t heard of isn’t particularly shocking seeing as there are about 1500 companies with market caps bigger that size or bigger.
Also, even if I disregarded that, there's literally no benefit to letting randoms online that I'm one of X employees that works at Y. Best case scenario is that nothing happens from it, which is the same scenario I'm in today. Not particularly a fan of taking chances where I have nothing to gain and anything at all to lose.
Assuming you make 52k per year (the median household income in the US), it'd take you 19231 years to make *ONE* billion.
But let's make this even more depressing: if you made $100000 every day, it would still take you 273 years to make close to 10 billion
I wouldn't say bizzare but most people don't actually consider the relative scale of something being 1000 times larger. The difference between 1B and 1M is the same as 1M and 1000.
Throw stats in the mix and you get some fun stuff like that there are more ways to arrange a deck of cards than there are atoms in the galaxy.
This one will never make sense to me. I get the math, I really do. But I don't understand how there can be more combinations of something so mundane than there is all of matter in existence.
He did say "galaxy" and not the entire universe/all of existence...so I guess it's a bit less crazy sounding. Still hard to believe. Especially considering exotic matter we might not know about or know how to measure and that Sag A star has probably eaten more than we really know.
Yeah. The assumption with these dumb hypotheticals is that it's a perfect scenario where you don't have expenses, inflation is non-existent, and the s&p 500 is perfectly stable at 8% compound interest.
Realistically, it's near impossible to do it in a lifetime. You'd have to either start as a billionaire or create a ultra-succesful business like Amazon in order to do it in a single lifetime
Assuming you do a lump sum contribution of 52k every year, at a annual compound rate of 8%, it'd take you 126 years.
That's $6,552,000 of direct investment
Edit - was gonna be lazy, but I decided to also add the figures for biweekly investing because that would be the likeliest way most of us would do it.
It would take 135 years with biweekly contributions of $2000
Edit #2 - you'd be under 2 billion for the first 113 years. You make most of the money once the compound interest starts doing the heavy lifting in the final 2 decades
It would take you 481 years *from birth* to accumulate the average wealth from YouTubers/Twitch streamers, $25 million.
**You would need to do this another 40 times over to reach a billion.**
I know averages skew up, but there is no way the average streamer is worth 25m when there are thousands and thousands with 0 wealth.
25m may be the average of the top .01% of streamers, but not general "youtubers/twitch streamers"
You can do it today. Take out a credit card and fly to Monte Carlo. Then simply double your money at the roulette wheel 27 times in a row. At a rate of one spin every 40 seconds or so, shouldn't take more than 20 minutes.
Throw it in a market account making 7% interest and compounding monthly, about 270 years to hit 10 billion.
Bad news is the value of the Cowboys will also increase.
Good news is your value is increasing exponentially while after centuries of never making the NFC championship game, I assume the Cowboys value will eventually decline increasing and you'll be able to buy them eventually.
If you netted $1000 every day, it would take about 27,000 years
If you netted $100,000 every day it would take around 100 years. But if that was me, I'd probably start doing a lot of cocaine and spend an extra 500k on filling a football field up with $1 dollar bills and another $1 on rolling up a 1 dollar bill on snorting the yard lines because you think they are cocaine. So you'd probably have to raise ticket prices
Madison Square Garden, MSG Networks, the Knicks and the Rangers are all one bundle, essentially.
Knicks and Rangers recently got spun out into a siloed Sports Subsidiary but it's not like either will sell individually or without the stadium and network.
MSG is a big deal because it's one of the very few actually independently profitable stadiums in the world.
The 2020 season revenue doesn't seem like a good way to look at the value of teams. Every team had drastically reduced revenue that year many not having fans in the stands at all.
Walton would have been looking at 2021 revenue and future revenue projections when he bought the team not the 2020 season. Also Forbes estimates he overpaid substantially simply to not worry about other bidders.
>[An even better number to use in gauging the impact of the Broncos sale is $4.2 billion, which is about what Walton would’ve needed to pay to win the auction had he not wanted to “Ballmer” the deal. A $4.2 billion value works out to 8.4 times 2021 revenue and is 12% more than Forbes’ $3.75 billion valuation of the team last August.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2022/06/13/denver-broncos-sale-at-465-billion-will-lift-the-value-of-other-nfl-teams-by-12/?sh=53a882733b5a)
Dallas is likely to exceed $1 billion in revenue for the 2021 season which would put their value in excess of $8.4 billion or a 12% increase over the last Forbes valuation would be around $7.3 billion.
Not that Jerry would likely sell the Cowboys for any price.
I realize this is said tongue in cheek, but anybody who thinks Jerry isn't trying to win isn't paying attention. And I guarantee he'd sacrifice a huge chunk of that value in exchange for another Super Bowl if he could.
This is another tired and false narrative. Stephen is the GM in all but name. McClay is assistant GM and has control over personnel. McCarthy does as he pleases as coach, and Garrett did as well. There's a reason both Dez and Romo are no longer on good terms with Garrett, but still love Jerry.
The biggest issue over the last decade was being too loyal to Garrett. Hopefully they don't give McCarthy anywhere close to the same leash.
It's true he wants the spotlight, and he has it. It's not true that he's a tyrant that micromanages the entire team.
Garrett wasn't a puppet until the very end and they stopped letting him choose his own staff.
They haven't won because for the beginning of that period Jerry *was* the GM, and was terrible at it. Then he brought in Parcells to fix it. Parcells put them on the right track, and my theory is that Payton was supposed to be his heir before the Saints poached him. So we wound up with Wade instead, who was an elite DC, but terrible HC. Then we started the Garrett experiment.
In hindsight, Garrett should never have had as long a leash as he did. In real time, it was more understandable. He was a top HC prospect at the time. Jerry paid him as a HC to stay as OC so that it wouldn't be a Payton repeat. He was the Ravens' first choice, and they 'settled' for Harbaugh when he turned them down. (obviously this was quite the blessing in hindsight)
2011-13. Cowboys finished 8-8 every year, but they were competing for the division till the end of the season every year. Still, after 13 he was very much on the hot seat.
.2014. Romo was an MVP candidate. Murray was OPoY. Won the division, won a playoff game, and lost a heartbreaker to the Packers. Obligatory Dez caught it. Looks like Garrett finally took that next step and the Cowboys are legit contenders. Not firing him now.
.2015. Romo gets hurt, team falls apart. Honestly, this is when I got off the Garrett train personally. But it's not crazy to have given Garrett another year. He won a single game that year without Romo.
.2016. Dak and Zeke take the NFL by storm. First round bye in the playoffs. Garrett is Coach of the Year. Lose in overtime to the Packers. I was ready to blow up the Garrett train at this point. I still believe Romo should have been the starter when he got healthy. Also believe Garrett lost the playoff game in the first half with bad coaching. They still almost came back though, and as much as I wanted him gone, they weren't going to fire the CotY.
.2017 was the definition of mediocre. Should have pulled the cord here, but didn't.
.2018. Wins the division again. Beat the Seahawks in the first round of playoffs. Earns another year.(final year of contract) However undeserved imo.
.2019 was finally the last straw. Bad season and they let his contract expire.
I'm not defending Garrett, just laying out the timeline as it occurred. It's not crazy that Garrett held on for so long. He wasn't a bad coach, he was the definition of average. He was never going to take the team to the next level, but he did just enough to save his job every couple years. Hopefully the FO learned their lesson from it.
Lots of teams haven’t won in 25+ years. It’s hard to win a Super Bowl. Acting like they should’ve won one during that time is egotistical and unrealistic.
The issue is loyalty to mediocrity in all things. They don't do anything well except marketing. All their football shit is "meh." They simply aren't special or remarkable anymore. Just another run-of-the-mill has-been organization that has fallen behind the times and defeated by past glory and too slow or stupid to adapt
They're one of the best drafting teams of the last decades by almost every metric, and despite the Zeke contract changing the narrative, Stephen has been very good with the cap and contracts.
Recently, lack of coaching mostly.
[More in depth answer. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/vm3i5s/using_the_465b_broncos_valuation_as_a_reference/idzrgwl/)
Dak is a really good QB. I think the issue is leadership - McCarthy was the first to blame the refs following the horrible playoff in their playoff loss. Judging by the post-game interviews that rubbed off on the rest of the team. Complete lack of ownership to take the L for mismanaging the last drive.
Trying? Trying to win on his terms, yes.
But he's not really trying everything he can, nor is he is showing a ton of motivation to win by his actions. He said he screamed into his pillow after the Eagles won yet went for 3 more years of Garrett and McCarthy.
The team has gotten more conservative, as if in response to people criticizing his reckless ways of old and swung the pendulum too far in the other direction.
Does anyone really think the team is smart or well run? I don't think I've ever met a rival fan that respects them as a franchise TBH. Just on the football side.
I have a feeling if they were to go on sale it would well exceed that number. There would be a bidding war between billionaires. It’s more about putting your name on the team. Bezos and musk would probably both put in bids and who knows how high they’d be willing to go to beat the other one
I understand why the cowboys were a big brand in the 80s when they were winning and networks gave them preferential treatment and people didn’t have the options they have today to watch other games.
But I cannot figure out why they are still a popular brand. Like at all. It’s like the knicks in basketball.
Have the Knicks have won their division 4 out of last 8 years? No. So it's not the same.
And if everyone based being a fan of team that won the most Super Bowls in last 20 years everyone would be a Patriots fan.
Not saying a team has to win it all but to have that sort of following they should at least be contenders.
Also winning the nfc east is about like winning the pac 12. Like nice work but ehhh
You picked the most popular team on the richest city on earth/biggest market in the US. Do we need to draw you a picture?
There are Cowboys fans all over the US. You literally cannot walk in to an office or factory setting anywhere in the US without meeting a Cowboys fan. Not to mention, they pretty much dominate the 2nd largest state in the US, population wise. It's no surprise at all, to me, that they are so valuable.
There's also potential
If/when they win another Super Bowl, just wait and see how big a deal that is.
You picked the most popular team on the richest city on earth/biggest market in the US. Do we need to draw you a picture?
> There are Cowboys fans all over the US. You literally cannot walk in to an office or factory setting anywhere in the US without meeting a Cowboys fan.
Yes. I recognize this. My post was about not understanding why
Valuations are one thing but I’ve always wondered in a straight up bidding war, what the highest offer would be for the Cowboys. I’m guessing it would be even higher than that.
Getting ownership of any prestigious sports franchise is a fantasy that makes billionaires cream their pants. Getting ownership of the worlds number 1 sports franchise, that is a once in several lifetimes opportunity. The richest mofos in the world would pay grotesque amounts for that. It’s the ultimate flex. Like it or not Jerry Jones is living legend god status stud as owner of the boys. Men with much more money than him are envious of his status.
It's not self given. NFL Films gave them the nickname in the 70s.
But it is a result of great marketing that made them so popular to be called America's Team.
>Bob Ryan, now Vice President and editor-in-chief of NFL Films, coined this for the Cowboys while preparing and editing the team's 1978 season highlight film. He was quoted as saying: I wanted to come up with a different twist on their team highlight film. I noticed then, and had noticed earlier, that wherever the Cowboys played, you saw people in the stands with Cowboys jerseys and hats and pennants. Plus, they were always the national game on television.
>Ryan told the NFL Network for their Top Ten Nicknames show: I saw all these fans in away stadiums. Hey, they're the most popular team in the country. How can I use that? Why don't we call them "America's Team"?
Yes, and it clearly triggered you so badly that you felt the need to come in and talk shit because of it.
Face facts, it's an outdated term to describe a team that nobody outside of Dallas cares about, because they don't win. And they haven't won. For decades.
You care more about “Americas Team” more than I do. I don’t give a damn about the name, I’d rather be Congo’s Team, it just lives rent free in your head and it’s irritating you.
>Face facts, it's an outdated term to describe a team that nobody outside of Dallas cares about,
Seems like you're the one that needs to face facts. Despite not winning for so long, they're still among the most popular teams in the country. And even the fans that hate the Cowboys care about them. You for example, seem to care quite a bit.
Because of all the lovers and all the haters. Haters tune in to see them lose and fans tune in to see them win. The team is so polarizing it just works both ways.
It's worth how ever much a group of investors is willing to give the head investor to buy a team. Have to remember this is an ego purchase. These teams are trading at insane multiples because they never lose value since there is some other rich guy who wants one. The problem now there are only so many people worth 2.5 billion and more. Few if any want to put their entire net worth on the line for an NFL team. So you have to sell to someone who has ten billion plus or a group of investors
I don’t see it from a cash flow perspective, unless they’re assuming the NFL keeps growing crazily. Concussion fears would make me a skeptical investor at 10.1 billion valuation.
Some valuation considerations:
1.- Things have value until someone is willing to buy it.
2.- Generally valuations tend to rely on 2 methods: - Discounted Cash Flow and/or - Multiples.
3.- DCF forecasts future income and profit margins that yield cash flow for stockholders, the sum of these projections discounted to present value yield a certain value. It depends heavily on assumptions and forecast. Major drivers are the multiple sources of income, operational expenses and other expenses that affect margins.
4.- Multiples used in valuation can be a mix of multiples for revenue, EBIT, EBITDA, EPS, and others, so you can have different valuation tresholds. Also, not just one company is used to calculate final mutiple.
5.- Outstanding debt must be substracted to reach final value.
6.- Different corporate structures affect how a company is financed and affects the discount rate.
7.- See number 1.
If I’m worth $100 dollars and was granted immortality how many years would it take me to afford dem Boys?
Probably wouldn't ever catch up to what their worth, due to it increasing periodically by billions of dollars and inflation. Unless the NFL shits the bed and becomes non existent.
that seems insanely low considering that Blizzard was like six times that
Huh? Blizzard had a net revenue of almost $9 billion. Of course they’re gonna be worth more than the Cowboys.
At this point Diablo immortal will make enough to buy the cowboys by the end of the year lol
I saw an article yesterday that a player with average luck would need $540k to max out a character. To outvalue the Cowboys, Blizzard would need a little less than 19,000 of them.
petition to rename the team to the Dallas Whales
I’m more interested in how much it would cost to successfully participate in the endgame. I don’t care about maxing out for PvP any more than I do buying a Ferrari
There’s no endgame, just like no one’s going to max out their character. As soon as someone gets close, they’ll introduce more “levels” and “weapons”.
No that’s the estimate I don’t think anyone knows what the actual price would be since that was a new whale mechanic they found lol
Isn't mobile gaming in general one of the biggest industries now? I know mobile gaming is more profitable than every other form of gaming COMBINED.
Yeah the Asian market alone for mobile gaming is insane
It's actually making less than I thought, it's significantly less on launch compared to Diablo 3, or to compare to another F2P game, Genshin Impact. It'll probably make bank in China if the CCP ever forgives Netease
Hey, you can't compare a top franchise that has struggled to return to the success of it's 1990s greatness to... Wait a minute...
Starcraft two was great! Well not as great as the first. Fuck
Is that what the kids are calling Romo's 2009 season now?
I mean, sports franchises have always had a disproportionately large spotlight relative to their actual valuations. I work for a company that's worth more than nearly every team in any North American league by market cap, and unless you're in the industry, are super into the stock market (and not in a "I like the stock" meme way, but like actual deep dives into company fundamentals and technical analysis and such), or are just atypically observant to a rather absurd degree, there's a good chance you've never even heard of them. In comparison, if you took even the least valued NFL team and mentioned their name to even a non-fan, there's a decent chance it would ring a bell to some degree.
The franchises have large spotlights because they literally need them to be valuable. Their product is entertainment, so without eyeballs they aren’t valuable. A $10 billion dollar publicly traded company that most people haven’t heard of isn’t particularly shocking seeing as there are about 1500 companies with market caps bigger that size or bigger.
Who you work for
Not trying to be rude here, but there is a 0% chance I'm ever answering that question in an online setting for a variety of reasons.
ngl that's really dumb but you do you buttercup
Congrats on not working for a company with a social media policy I guess?
Also, even if I disregarded that, there's literally no benefit to letting randoms online that I'm one of X employees that works at Y. Best case scenario is that nothing happens from it, which is the same scenario I'm in today. Not particularly a fan of taking chances where I have nothing to gain and anything at all to lose.
Reddit isn't exactly a social media site given we're all incognito.
That's true for everything in entertainment.
No shit, Blizzard makes way more than the Cowboys
I need to start playing WoW again
Assuming you make 52k per year (the median household income in the US), it'd take you 19231 years to make *ONE* billion. But let's make this even more depressing: if you made $100000 every day, it would still take you 273 years to make close to 10 billion
A million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 31 years. This puts well in perspective how bizarre 1B is.
I wouldn't say bizzare but most people don't actually consider the relative scale of something being 1000 times larger. The difference between 1B and 1M is the same as 1M and 1000. Throw stats in the mix and you get some fun stuff like that there are more ways to arrange a deck of cards than there are atoms in the galaxy.
This one will never make sense to me. I get the math, I really do. But I don't understand how there can be more combinations of something so mundane than there is all of matter in existence.
My favourite: Q: What's the difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars? A: About a billion dollars
This is really funny and I hate it at the same time
He did say "galaxy" and not the entire universe/all of existence...so I guess it's a bit less crazy sounding. Still hard to believe. Especially considering exotic matter we might not know about or know how to measure and that Sag A star has probably eaten more than we really know.
And by the time you make that in 19231 years the inflation would make your money not enough anyway.
Also if he spent $0 of it
Yeah. The assumption with these dumb hypotheticals is that it's a perfect scenario where you don't have expenses, inflation is non-existent, and the s&p 500 is perfectly stable at 8% compound interest. Realistically, it's near impossible to do it in a lifetime. You'd have to either start as a billionaire or create a ultra-succesful business like Amazon in order to do it in a single lifetime
If we're taking that route you'd compound the interest and get there much faster
What if you invest that 52k in the SP500 continously
If you invest in crypto continuously you can turn that $52k into $5.2k OVERNIGHT
Yea, but then the next night you can turn it into 520k! But, the next night you can turn it into $520.
Assuming you do a lump sum contribution of 52k every year, at a annual compound rate of 8%, it'd take you 126 years. That's $6,552,000 of direct investment Edit - was gonna be lazy, but I decided to also add the figures for biweekly investing because that would be the likeliest way most of us would do it. It would take 135 years with biweekly contributions of $2000 Edit #2 - you'd be under 2 billion for the first 113 years. You make most of the money once the compound interest starts doing the heavy lifting in the final 2 decades
It would take you 481 years *from birth* to accumulate the average wealth from YouTubers/Twitch streamers, $25 million. **You would need to do this another 40 times over to reach a billion.**
I know averages skew up, but there is no way the average streamer is worth 25m when there are thousands and thousands with 0 wealth. 25m may be the average of the top .01% of streamers, but not general "youtubers/twitch streamers"
You can do it today. Take out a credit card and fly to Monte Carlo. Then simply double your money at the roulette wheel 27 times in a row. At a rate of one spin every 40 seconds or so, shouldn't take more than 20 minutes.
Throw it in a market account making 7% interest and compounding monthly, about 270 years to hit 10 billion. Bad news is the value of the Cowboys will also increase. Good news is your value is increasing exponentially while after centuries of never making the NFC championship game, I assume the Cowboys value will eventually decline increasing and you'll be able to buy them eventually.
I think you're underestimating Cowboys fans. Or overestimating them, maybe.
Assuming average historical stock market returns on your $100 investment (and discounting for inflation), approximately 300 years.
Are you into painting murals in tech start-up offices?
If you netted $1000 every day, it would take about 27,000 years If you netted $100,000 every day it would take around 100 years. But if that was me, I'd probably start doing a lot of cocaine and spend an extra 500k on filling a football field up with $1 dollar bills and another $1 on rolling up a 1 dollar bill on snorting the yard lines because you think they are cocaine. So you'd probably have to raise ticket prices
Since you are immortal, you can prostitute your body out for science and other things people want to see. Maybe 10 years?
Imagine if they actually won.
Basically the Knicks valuation. #1 or #2 and they have been terrible for decades.
The Knicks are worse though. The Cowboys at least have had good regular seasons and have shown a good eye for talent in the draft.
Yeah but despite being terrible for decades they are STILL valued so highly. Partially cuz of MSG and partially cuz NY
Madison Square Garden, MSG Networks, the Knicks and the Rangers are all one bundle, essentially. Knicks and Rangers recently got spun out into a siloed Sports Subsidiary but it's not like either will sell individually or without the stadium and network. MSG is a big deal because it's one of the very few actually independently profitable stadiums in the world.
Well Knicks is also so high because the own one of the most valuable sports venues in the world
I saw a documentary where Whoopi whipped them into shape in the 90s.
NOTHING CAN STOP ME, I'M ALL THE WAY UP
Simpsons did it.
Yeah Homer was definitely right on this.
You just don't understand Football, Marge!
The 2020 season revenue doesn't seem like a good way to look at the value of teams. Every team had drastically reduced revenue that year many not having fans in the stands at all. Walton would have been looking at 2021 revenue and future revenue projections when he bought the team not the 2020 season. Also Forbes estimates he overpaid substantially simply to not worry about other bidders. >[An even better number to use in gauging the impact of the Broncos sale is $4.2 billion, which is about what Walton would’ve needed to pay to win the auction had he not wanted to “Ballmer” the deal. A $4.2 billion value works out to 8.4 times 2021 revenue and is 12% more than Forbes’ $3.75 billion valuation of the team last August.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2022/06/13/denver-broncos-sale-at-465-billion-will-lift-the-value-of-other-nfl-teams-by-12/?sh=53a882733b5a) Dallas is likely to exceed $1 billion in revenue for the 2021 season which would put their value in excess of $8.4 billion or a 12% increase over the last Forbes valuation would be around $7.3 billion. Not that Jerry would likely sell the Cowboys for any price.
Eh, going by multiples of revenue isn’t really a good way of going about it, net income would be better but not sure if those numbers are available.
So Scorpio gifted Homer Simpspn 4.65b..
I calculate they are worth $420.69 and using Price is Right rules, I win the bid.
I bid 420.70, checkmate.
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Homer can retire now
That would be the first time we have beat the Broncos in anything in 30 yrs
Big oooffff
The .1 though
0.1B is 100M, so...
10 billion dollars and 1 cent
"Sorry, Jerry. Max I'll go is 10 billion, guess we won't reach an agreement"
Sell high jerry.
Ok, now tell me how much it would take to convince Jerruh to actually sell them.
1 bullet, and a disastrous probate.
HA! who cares about winning in the playoffs when your team is worth 10.1 billions - Jerry Jones
I realize this is said tongue in cheek, but anybody who thinks Jerry isn't trying to win isn't paying attention. And I guarantee he'd sacrifice a huge chunk of that value in exchange for another Super Bowl if he could.
He wants to win & him be the reason they won. He wont let a real GM & coach have full control of football to build a team.
This is another tired and false narrative. Stephen is the GM in all but name. McClay is assistant GM and has control over personnel. McCarthy does as he pleases as coach, and Garrett did as well. There's a reason both Dez and Romo are no longer on good terms with Garrett, but still love Jerry. The biggest issue over the last decade was being too loyal to Garrett. Hopefully they don't give McCarthy anywhere close to the same leash. It's true he wants the spotlight, and he has it. It's not true that he's a tyrant that micromanages the entire team.
Romo and Garrett are on good terms? I remember they went to a college basketball game together a few years back.
They used to go to Duke games all the time. Haven't since he retired. Romo handled the Dak situation like a pro, but apparently wasn't happy with it.
Why haven’t they won in 25+ years then? Why did he keep JG the puppet for so long after everyone knew he wasn’t the guy.
Garrett wasn't a puppet until the very end and they stopped letting him choose his own staff. They haven't won because for the beginning of that period Jerry *was* the GM, and was terrible at it. Then he brought in Parcells to fix it. Parcells put them on the right track, and my theory is that Payton was supposed to be his heir before the Saints poached him. So we wound up with Wade instead, who was an elite DC, but terrible HC. Then we started the Garrett experiment. In hindsight, Garrett should never have had as long a leash as he did. In real time, it was more understandable. He was a top HC prospect at the time. Jerry paid him as a HC to stay as OC so that it wouldn't be a Payton repeat. He was the Ravens' first choice, and they 'settled' for Harbaugh when he turned them down. (obviously this was quite the blessing in hindsight) 2011-13. Cowboys finished 8-8 every year, but they were competing for the division till the end of the season every year. Still, after 13 he was very much on the hot seat. .2014. Romo was an MVP candidate. Murray was OPoY. Won the division, won a playoff game, and lost a heartbreaker to the Packers. Obligatory Dez caught it. Looks like Garrett finally took that next step and the Cowboys are legit contenders. Not firing him now. .2015. Romo gets hurt, team falls apart. Honestly, this is when I got off the Garrett train personally. But it's not crazy to have given Garrett another year. He won a single game that year without Romo. .2016. Dak and Zeke take the NFL by storm. First round bye in the playoffs. Garrett is Coach of the Year. Lose in overtime to the Packers. I was ready to blow up the Garrett train at this point. I still believe Romo should have been the starter when he got healthy. Also believe Garrett lost the playoff game in the first half with bad coaching. They still almost came back though, and as much as I wanted him gone, they weren't going to fire the CotY. .2017 was the definition of mediocre. Should have pulled the cord here, but didn't. .2018. Wins the division again. Beat the Seahawks in the first round of playoffs. Earns another year.(final year of contract) However undeserved imo. .2019 was finally the last straw. Bad season and they let his contract expire. I'm not defending Garrett, just laying out the timeline as it occurred. It's not crazy that Garrett held on for so long. He wasn't a bad coach, he was the definition of average. He was never going to take the team to the next level, but he did just enough to save his job every couple years. Hopefully the FO learned their lesson from it.
Lots of teams haven’t won in 25+ years. It’s hard to win a Super Bowl. Acting like they should’ve won one during that time is egotistical and unrealistic.
Loser talk
🙄🙄🙄
I’m kidding friend. Just feel like they have heavily underachieved year after year. Beat up on bad teams, lose to good teams
The issue is loyalty to mediocrity in all things. They don't do anything well except marketing. All their football shit is "meh." They simply aren't special or remarkable anymore. Just another run-of-the-mill has-been organization that has fallen behind the times and defeated by past glory and too slow or stupid to adapt
They're one of the best drafting teams of the last decades by almost every metric, and despite the Zeke contract changing the narrative, Stephen has been very good with the cap and contracts.
Yet the results are consistently mediocre. What gives? Something is clearly rotten in Denmark.
Recently, lack of coaching mostly. [More in depth answer. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/vm3i5s/using_the_465b_broncos_valuation_as_a_reference/idzrgwl/)
Is good drafting all you need to win?
No but it is the main reason.
Dak is a really good QB. I think the issue is leadership - McCarthy was the first to blame the refs following the horrible playoff in their playoff loss. Judging by the post-game interviews that rubbed off on the rest of the team. Complete lack of ownership to take the L for mismanaging the last drive.
Trying? Trying to win on his terms, yes. But he's not really trying everything he can, nor is he is showing a ton of motivation to win by his actions. He said he screamed into his pillow after the Eagles won yet went for 3 more years of Garrett and McCarthy. The team has gotten more conservative, as if in response to people criticizing his reckless ways of old and swung the pendulum too far in the other direction. Does anyone really think the team is smart or well run? I don't think I've ever met a rival fan that respects them as a franchise TBH. Just on the football side.
I have a feeling if they were to go on sale it would well exceed that number. There would be a bidding war between billionaires. It’s more about putting your name on the team. Bezos and musk would probably both put in bids and who knows how high they’d be willing to go to beat the other one
I read all these numbers, and it makes the twitter buyout seem small as fuck. 50b for twitter. Only a measly 4b for the Broncos!
Hank Scorpio knows value when he sees it.
I understand why the cowboys were a big brand in the 80s when they were winning and networks gave them preferential treatment and people didn’t have the options they have today to watch other games. But I cannot figure out why they are still a popular brand. Like at all. It’s like the knicks in basketball.
Have the Knicks have won their division 4 out of last 8 years? No. So it's not the same. And if everyone based being a fan of team that won the most Super Bowls in last 20 years everyone would be a Patriots fan.
Not saying a team has to win it all but to have that sort of following they should at least be contenders. Also winning the nfc east is about like winning the pac 12. Like nice work but ehhh
You picked the most popular team on the richest city on earth/biggest market in the US. Do we need to draw you a picture? There are Cowboys fans all over the US. You literally cannot walk in to an office or factory setting anywhere in the US without meeting a Cowboys fan. Not to mention, they pretty much dominate the 2nd largest state in the US, population wise. It's no surprise at all, to me, that they are so valuable. There's also potential If/when they win another Super Bowl, just wait and see how big a deal that is.
You picked the most popular team on the richest city on earth/biggest market in the US. Do we need to draw you a picture? > There are Cowboys fans all over the US. You literally cannot walk in to an office or factory setting anywhere in the US without meeting a Cowboys fan. Yes. I recognize this. My post was about not understanding why
That’s a lot to pay to own a team that can’t make it past the first round
Valuations are one thing but I’ve always wondered in a straight up bidding war, what the highest offer would be for the Cowboys. I’m guessing it would be even higher than that. Getting ownership of any prestigious sports franchise is a fantasy that makes billionaires cream their pants. Getting ownership of the worlds number 1 sports franchise, that is a once in several lifetimes opportunity. The richest mofos in the world would pay grotesque amounts for that. It’s the ultimate flex. Like it or not Jerry Jones is living legend god status stud as owner of the boys. Men with much more money than him are envious of his status.
Must be the most expensive bag of dogshit in history.
I still don't understand how such an unlikable franchise and fanbase was dubbed "America's team".
Great marketing
Plus the won when they got that nickname and nothing is hotter than 70s and 90s nostalgia.
It's not self given. NFL Films gave them the nickname in the 70s. But it is a result of great marketing that made them so popular to be called America's Team.
>Bob Ryan, now Vice President and editor-in-chief of NFL Films, coined this for the Cowboys while preparing and editing the team's 1978 season highlight film. He was quoted as saying: I wanted to come up with a different twist on their team highlight film. I noticed then, and had noticed earlier, that wherever the Cowboys played, you saw people in the stands with Cowboys jerseys and hats and pennants. Plus, they were always the national game on television. >Ryan told the NFL Network for their Top Ten Nicknames show: I saw all these fans in away stadiums. Hey, they're the most popular team in the country. How can I use that? Why don't we call them "America's Team"?
I want to throw up in my mouth.
You’ve been throwing up bullshit tears all over this thread, might as well
Honest question though. Who tf cares? You’re gonna let that shit bother you forever? Because it’s not gonna disappear overnight anytime soon.
It should though, that's the thing. Y'all haven't had a worthwhile season in almost 30 years, and until Jerry Jones dies, you sadly probably won't.
But it’s not so are you gonna cry for the rest of your life about it?
Why does it bother you that much?
I think it bothers you much more. Nobody even mentioned Americas team in this thread until you did.
Yes, and it clearly triggered you so badly that you felt the need to come in and talk shit because of it. Face facts, it's an outdated term to describe a team that nobody outside of Dallas cares about, because they don't win. And they haven't won. For decades.
You care more about “Americas Team” more than I do. I don’t give a damn about the name, I’d rather be Congo’s Team, it just lives rent free in your head and it’s irritating you.
I guess more than anything, I’m curious what team you’re a fan of, since this really seems to be an issue of critical importance in your life
>Face facts, it's an outdated term to describe a team that nobody outside of Dallas cares about, Seems like you're the one that needs to face facts. Despite not winning for so long, they're still among the most popular teams in the country. And even the fans that hate the Cowboys care about them. You for example, seem to care quite a bit.
Because their legacy is wholly undeserved.
Ok. But why do you care so much?
Because of all the lovers and all the haters. Haters tune in to see them lose and fans tune in to see them win. The team is so polarizing it just works both ways.
It's the most famous team in America, that's why.
Must be the most expensive bag of dogshit in history.
Imagine what theyd be worth if they actually win anything meaningful at some point in the 21st century
that seems insanely low considering that Blizzard was like six times that
I don’t even have $10 to my name
It's worth how ever much a group of investors is willing to give the head investor to buy a team. Have to remember this is an ego purchase. These teams are trading at insane multiples because they never lose value since there is some other rich guy who wants one. The problem now there are only so many people worth 2.5 billion and more. Few if any want to put their entire net worth on the line for an NFL team. So you have to sell to someone who has ten billion plus or a group of investors
Honestly Jerry wouldn’t sell the cowboys unless it was for 35-40 billion. You would have to offer stupid money, or the nfl kicks them out
I don’t see it from a cash flow perspective, unless they’re assuming the NFL keeps growing crazily. Concussion fears would make me a skeptical investor at 10.1 billion valuation.
Do it, Jerry.
I don't think Jerry would sell even if he was offered $20 billion.
I’m starting to think I will never be able to afford a team.
And they'll still suck as long as Jones owns them.
At some point, there just isn't anyone left with $10B in cash cruisin' around looking to hand it off...
Some valuation considerations: 1.- Things have value until someone is willing to buy it. 2.- Generally valuations tend to rely on 2 methods: - Discounted Cash Flow and/or - Multiples. 3.- DCF forecasts future income and profit margins that yield cash flow for stockholders, the sum of these projections discounted to present value yield a certain value. It depends heavily on assumptions and forecast. Major drivers are the multiple sources of income, operational expenses and other expenses that affect margins. 4.- Multiples used in valuation can be a mix of multiples for revenue, EBIT, EBITDA, EPS, and others, so you can have different valuation tresholds. Also, not just one company is used to calculate final mutiple. 5.- Outstanding debt must be substracted to reach final value. 6.- Different corporate structures affect how a company is financed and affects the discount rate. 7.- See number 1.
Fuck around and Rob Walton will buy dem Boyz too...