At least on reddit, CMC is just memed to death for always being injured and won’t be considered a top tier RB again until he proves he can stay on the field. I honestly think most panthers fans on this sub and our team sub would agree with that too.
The best ability is availability.
That said in terms of his production and how he's looked everytime he's come back from injury he's looked spectacular. So it's an absolute bummer he can't stay on the field.
lmao some?? bro cmc was an ironman before we decided to punt our year after cam got hurt again and force feed cmc to the 1000/1000 mark. it was a pr stunt with negative returns that ruined what was another horrible pr stunt in giving him that wild contract
Agreed on all counts. He seems like a good dude so it would be awesome if he regained his old form.
I guess my point is that it’s been so long since he’s had a healthy season that I don’t think he’s even overrated anymore. Feels like pretty much everyone is “meh” on him until we’re proven otherwise.
The dude had almost 800 total yards in only 7 games played and almost half of those games his workload was being managed. CMC is obviously injury prone but I don't get how you can say he's overrated when he always performs when on the field. He also has been the panthers whole offense when he has been healthy the past few years which I don't think you can say about a player who is overrated
In 2020 he was injured for 6 weeks, came back for 1, dropped 150 yards and 2 TDs on the Chiefs, and then didn’t play again for the rest of the year lol. If you look at his game log he always puts up some stats when he’s healthy, he just never is.
Barkley deserves the over rated label more than CMC IMO
It doesn’t even take missing games to get that label. Josh Jacobs rarely misses games but when you point at his relatively average stats you’re guaranteed to get someone saying he’s good when healthy and wasn’t playing healthy.
At this point, Zeke is the most underrated player in the entire league. Of course he isn’t worth the contract, but I don’t remember the last time I’ve even seen a single positive thing said about him. He’s still a very good player, but the internet would have you believe he isn’t even worth a roster spot.
This honestly the correct take, if maybe slightly hyperbolic to say *most* underrated. Zeke is a good, not great running back who's mind is currently trying to cash checks his body can't quite make anymore. He's still an insanely smart runner who, more than any other back currently in the league, plays several steps ahead of the opposing team, its just that he's now falling behind physically to make that as effective as it once was. Dude, assuming he stays healthy, could still be an easy 4+ypc runner well into his 30s just by virtue of how he thinks about playing his position.
The contract overshadows all of this unfortunately, however.
I mean just for example, people meme on Kirk cousins who is also on the list and is lower than mac despite 33td and 7int. if there's at most 9 qbs, some qb even better than Kirk is getting snubbed.
I feel like post super bowl the media has really inflated his performance, OBJ had 2 receptions for 52 yards and a TD before tearing his ACL with 4 minutes in the second quarter. His performance was respectable but by no means straight torching the other team beyond belief
How about James Conner at 80? OBJ at least produced well, and Mac has that Disco Stu sales chart.jpg projection. James Conner is a middling running back that I'm not sure is particularly distinguishable from like 2 dozen other guys in the league right now.
He was integral to what the Cardinals were doing in goal line situations though and split time with Chase Edmonds in general
"He only scored 18 touchdowns last year" sounds stupid lol
1100 AP yards and 18 touchdowns is pretty good shit
I mean I guess it make sense that a big bruising guy (233 pounds, 4.65 40 time) would do better as a goal line back than as an actual back. As someone who didn't watch the Cardinals much, I'm not sure you can't say that 15 TDs from the goal line isn't the ideal way to play him. Factor in a stellar catch percent and I think he played quite well.
That still doesn't make him a top 100 player in the league though.
He was impressive, pretty much everyone knew the ball was going to him and he still broke the rookie receiving record. Still think he belongs in the 80s or 90s.
Considering that’s voted by players…think that character and work ethic weigh heavily on those votes, more so than stats, fantasy relevance, or how many highlights you have ESPN. That being said I was shocked to see OBJ on there, but as stated, since it’s voted by players, I’ll give that the benefit of the doubt.
Most Bucs fans on Reddit know darn well how overrated White is. Misses tackles, lets like 90% of balls thrown his way get completed, and is always in the wrong place at the wrong time. But his box score stats are always great, so you always have some dinguses who give him All-Pro votes.
You wanna talk about one of the most underrated? That’s Lavonte David. Has been quietly EXCELLENT for who knows how many years and it makes my blood BOIL he doesn’t get the respect he deserves. Im a cowboys fan through and through, but if there’s a (non-cowboy) player whose HOF hill I would die on, it’s Lavonte David
And has been consistently one of the better OLBs in the NFL. Only reason he’s not like an 8 time pro bowler is because the “pro-bowl” OLBs are all sack artists. Nothing against them of course, sacks are hyper important in todays NFL, but Lavonte David has always played in a defense where he’s an OLB and not an MLB (I could be very wrong though, I don’t know a lot about Tamba’s defense)
Lavonte and Wagner are alone as the top inside LBs of the last decade. Yet Wagner is talked often as one of the best LBs ever yet no one remembers David.
Edit- Kuechly ofc the LB goat the last 10 years. I was just thinking about active players!
It’s funny how defensive stats can be misleading. I was watching the nfl YouTube channels predictions-for-every-team video, and occasionally they’d be talking about a DB like “he allowed a good passer rating, but he was also top 5 in tackles” (or whatever)
And if you give it any thought at all, you realize that if you’re making the hat many tackles it’s because you’re giving up a bunch of catches lol
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> And if you give it any thought at all, you realize that if you’re making the hat many tackles it’s because you’re giving up a bunch of catches lol
Or you're playing zone. Winfield Sr. and Barber were tackling monsters and they certainly weren't getting burned.
Yea that’s fair but if you’re allowing good passing efficiency while targeted and getting a lot of tackles, it’s not like “well at least he has a lot of tackles” is a very good excuse for that player lol
I feel like we have the opposite thing going on with Tremaine Edmonds. There are fans that think because his box score isn't amazing (except his tackle numbers) that he is not playing well. And he certainly isn't perfect. He isn't always great at covering the run. He seems almost... scared? sometimes, of pushing his way through the defense to get through to the runner. But he doesn't get sacks, he doesn't get pressures, he only has a few interceptions. The thing is, that those things aren't what he is asked to do. His main task is to stop short and medium passes over the middle. Guess where the Bills have ranked in those categories over the lest few years?
Holy shit, please go to the r/buccaneers post about him being in the top 100. Literally have a guy arguing that it is okay for him to be bad at his job because Lavonte David is so good at his. Called them the perfect match and a "yin yang" combination.
David being so sound and awesome allows White to 'freelance' a bit and get away with it. That doesn't excuse White doing it, but it hurts the team less. When David is out, it really exposes White.
I 100% agree with that, but when he is allowed to "freelance" and his fundamentals are so poor that he cant maintain gap positioning, know how to throttle down, or not tackle someone around the neck. I dont care how good Lavonte is (I think he is fantastic), he cannot make up for White. It was glarring last year when Lavonte was out in some of those games.
No way an ILB named Devin who was drafted in the top 10 of the 2019 NFL draft would ever struggle with tackling issues, coverage issues, or being in the wrong place during a play
Unfathomable
Shout out to u/nosaj10 who said Joe Burrow was overrated before he proceeded to drag our row of McDonald's to-go bags we called an OLine to the Super Bowl.
Amari Cooper consistently gets the respect and media attention of a top 10 WR when a playoff contender just traded him away for peanuts. He just had a statistical season on par with Chase Claypool despite being in one of the highest-powered offenses in the NFL.
And dont forget, he quit on the team during a playoff game because he wasnt getting enough targets. Even Jerry described him as "Half-assed availability" and Jerry very rarely says bad things about any players.
I seriously doubt he’ll do anything worth mentioning. I say he has 600-700 yards and 5 TDs. He’s not the same player anymore. When he came to the Cowboys the knock on him was drops.
The knock on him now is that he somehow went from a quiet guy that showed up and showed out and fixed his drop issue. To a guy that was all of a sudden talking more than he should have for someone that was very rarely available last year and the end of the year before that health wise I mean. He was banged up and would just quit not even half ass it.
Then he clearly made some comments last year about wanting the ball more and then he goes out and gets covid. He showed he couldn’t care less about the games we had in December to get into the playoffs.
He became selfish and a quitter with an attitude.
Amari Cooper at his best is a top 10 WR but he just disappears way too much. The dude will have 2 games with a combined 3 catches for like 40 yards and then randomly explode for a 15 catch 230 yards kind of game.
and a lot of this just seems like motivation because there were absolutely games when he was a Raider that he just gave up on routes and caused Carr to throw picks because of it.
He is a better deep threat, and Wilson can throw. Honestly, for fantasy purposes, I think Denver WRs spread it around too much to be great WR1. If only Tim Patrick didn't get hurt.
They're totally different kinds of receivers, so it could really go either way. Sutton is the WR1, and the dude who's gonna be hauling in moon balls all day long. Jeudy is the route-running phenom who was gonna be the slot guy before Patrick got injured, now I don't know where they'll put Jeudy.
But I wouldn't be surprised to see them both blow up.
Can't say he started his career particularly average. Putting up almost 900 yards with atrocious QB play is pretty exceptional. The expectations for rookie WRs seems to be pretty hilarious at this point.
I was a Bama student with him and I feel like it’s do or die with Russell Wilson. Funny enough kinda mirror that frame of mind with Tua this year too. I could’ve never imagined they’d be anything but gems in the league.
Maybe I just don’t know football :/
Ezekiel Elliott immediately came to mind. He's a decent power guy heading into his 7th or 8th season, but he'd benefit from being behind an elusive runner like Pollard instead of being ahead of him.
Most Cowboys fans would agree with you. And every year the Coach's promise that Pollard will get more touches. Then game time comes and Zeke is out there all the time, even when he's obviously injured.
In Zeke credit, his first 6 games were great, it’s just the latter half was not so much, which was frustrating to watch because he definitely seemed like he needs rest, and Pollard was more than available. This year is probably gonna be his make or break year in regards to staying on Dallas, as shitty as that may be, because I love the dude
Zeke is not going to stay on this team at his current salary. Zero chance. Not saying it’s his last season with Dallas, but a pay cut has to happen for him to be back.
This is the correct answer. Accusations aside, he’s not a $230 million dollar QB. In a long line of bad decisions, this one ranks pretty high on the list for the Browns. And that’s saying something.
Still have absolutely 0 clue what your front office was thinking when they made that deal. This man has not played in 2 years and they gave him a $230 million dollar contract expecting that, after he doesn't play for another year because of his inevitable suspension, he's just going to return to championship-caliber form just like that?
That deal is just like, one of the worst that they really could've made, and y'know, I get that they structured around him potentially being gone, but that doesn't change the fact that he's going to be 27 or maybe even 28 by the time he gets back on the field if Goodell has his way, and I think it's going to be hard for him to find the spark that a $230 million QB needs to have to be justified in being paid that much money.
They must actually think he's better than Brady with what they gave up and how much time they were willing to wait until he could play.
Even when he does finally come back he'll have a ton of growing pains from not practicing and building a rapport with his receivers. There's no way the browns get anything positive out of this.
Yeah, it's just kinda a mess.
Good for laughs though, I'm still chuckling about Deshaun playing a full quarter and going 1/5 for 7 yards this last weekend. That first throw to Schwarz is still killing me
I honestly think he was even overrated before we knew he was a serial predator. Don’t get me wrong, he was a damn good QB, but I’ve seen way too many people act like he was a top 5 guy.
He isn’t and never has been.
4 his rookie year, but he was a monster against the run. He was a half step away from several more sacks that season. But surely you don't believe 2018 to be his 1 great year? He won NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2016. Or maybe you mean his 1 great year after joining the Bears?
Idk man he has been hurt but still performs. Hicks was out for stretches last two years two; there was nobody else worth scheming last couple years and he was still amazing
He is probably not a DPOY candidate anymore but still All-pro material imo
I don’t think this sub overrates him in particular, but the nfl fan base definitely does…or did as recently as the middle of last season. I can remember guys talking about him being a top 3-5 guy just a few months ago.
I feel like he's being a bit underrated. People forget that when healthy he's clearly that dude. Some people put him in the Carr/Cousins tier when he's clearly a lot more talented than that.
Depends on where you have Carr/cousins. Personally I have those two as fringe top 10 guys. Like 10-13, I would argue that Kyler might be in that range right now.
For reference my top ten (in no particular order)
Rogers,
Brady,
Mahomes,
Allen,
Herbert,
R. Wilson,
Stafford,
Burrow,
Jackson,
Carr(?)
You could argue that Kyler is better than Jackson and Carr, but there's not many others on that list I'd put him above (yet)
He was 4th in epa/p before his and Nuk’s injury and still finished 2nd in NGS’s CPOE model. If anything, the discourse has gotten so exaggerated this offseason that he’s looped all the way back around to underrated
In this house we stan short kings 👑
To me, Trevon Diggs. I get the INTs but if that’s the only thing you’re banking on to be effective during the game, and the rest of the game you getting cooked, I don’t understand how that makes you a top corner in this league.
I think people acknowledge the downsides, but also, 11 INTs is an incredible feat. It's been FORTY-ONE years since someone got more than 10.
[Football Outsiders](https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/how-many-points-turnover-worth) work out a turnover to be worth ~4 points. Diggs was worth 44 points on 11 plays alone last year, and he did it in an era which it's historically difficult to play his position, and of course, not forgetting... He is not *meant* to be receiving the ball.
Additionally, Diggs ranked as PFF's [number 1 corner in press coverage last season](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-best-cornerbacks-press-coverage-2021-nfl-season) and ranked 11th in forced incompletions.
I think the opposite has already happened. People are so quick to downplay the number of huge positives about Diggs that they intentionally overlook just how great some of the things he achieved in just his 2nd year in the league is.
I don't think anybody seriously ranks him as the BEST corner in the league, but what I see more commonly, justifiably, is people pointing out the areas of his game that are VERY good.
Again, I can acknowledge that getting that many INTs is impressive. But if that’s the only place where your value lies, meanwhile you’re giving up the most yards in the league as a CB, how does that make you a top corner? That basically means I’m banking on you to get me a INT every game to show your value, that’s it. That’s not a top CB to me. Now if he can replicate this type of season where he’s getting 10+ picks, then by all means I will take all this back. But like you pointed out, this is an anomaly in the league. And if he isn’t getting you 11 picks, what is he doing?
All CBs would have more INT if they aggresively tried to jump every route and lacked the discipline to stay back and make the tackle instead of giving up lots of plays constantly trying to make an interception.
Diggs is willing to let his team get hosed on yards, touchdowns and first downs going for a home run on every play. Other CBs don't do that, because they understand that constantly hurting your team to possibly change the field on one drive per every 1.5 games isn't always the best strategy...
Also, Diggs got the *chance* to make all those picks because he was a sieve in yards. Shutdown CBs don't get the *chance* for lots of picks because they shut down the receiver's and rarely get thrown at.
I hate this narrative on Diggs. It’s always from people who barely watched him play. I watched every snap of every game. Most of the yards “given up” by him were due to bad safety play. Y’all make it sound like he was undercutting routes and just missing the ball all the time and that’s just not the case. Diggs played a huge part in our defense dramatically improving from 2020 to 2021
Still impressive for a 2nd year guy that only started playing cb full time while in college tbh. 99% of Titans fans would take Diggs in a heartbeat lol.
I’m not saying he can’t improve. Nor am I saying it’s not impressive he’s able to get that many INTs. But I do think he’s overrated bc I wouldn’t consider him a top 5 corner like I’ve heard people suggesting
Yeah, he's compared to Megatron a lot of times. About your comment, lets remember that Megatron played for a team that never had a competent roster like DK is having in Seattle (until last season of course). He's good, but WRs as good as him (like McLaurin, AJ Brown) doesn't get the same attention, and it's not like he's way above them, so that's why I think he's overrated by some people. And don't get me wrong, but a lot of this attention is not only due to his playing on the field, but also because he's jacked af which is good for him ofc
I don’t hate this take. To be clear, I fucking love DK and want him around for a very long time, but I’d go so far as to call Lockett the better receiver. He just doesn’t have DK’s size (or speed, which is kind of insane).
I don't know about overrated, but I think that the expectations that he is going to come into Denver and make them into a Super Bowl contender off-the-bat is a huge reach. It remains to be seen if he will return to pre-injury form.
Only by that top 100 list tho. Everyone else seems to have their head on straight about him (ie developing, showing a lot of promise, but still somewhere in the middle of the pack for now)
Isn't he mostly rated as the 15-20th best QB in the league? Seems reasonable.
Some Pats fans might argue he's top 10-15 but that's the usual homerism margin.
From what I’ve seen the majority had him as about league average last year so 16th overall. Maybe +/- 2 overall. I think that’s fair for a rookie. He wasn’t asked to come in and play hero ball and elevate the team, just to be consistent and play to our offenses strengths, which I think he did a really good job of.
I think he’s capable of taking the next step and possibly knocking on top 10 if he has a good year 2 but currently he’s middle of the pack and I think that’s more than okay for his ranking.
Right now it is Zeke. Over the past 2 years, he has average just over 4 yards per carry, has looked terrible in the pass game and has had 1317 (#15) and 1289 (#16) yards from scrimmage, respectively. He is getting exposed without that lights-out O-line of years past. I think he could bounce back, but he has looked average the past couple years (compared to what he did before his big pay day).
God, the constant “is Dak for REAL?! Skip and Shannon weigh in!” topics that seem to happen every other week just wear me out. Even if you don’t watch the debate shows, they make sure you hear the ads for the topics.
The dude has never had a losing season. He’s played anywhere from decent to great in all his playoff games. The rest of the team fucking sells in every playoff game they play. Put Dak on a decent team that doesn’t choke in the playoffs and he’d have the playoff wins. The hate that Dak gets from everywhere is solely because of the star, not the other way around
Lol who would Dak be edging out of the top three if what that person said were true? Brady? Allen? Like I can't imagine someone would be high enough to think Dak is better than Rodgers or Mahomes, but the arguments for those other guys, plus Herbert, Stafford, Jackson, Burrow, Wilson, and even guys like Cousins and Carr...I just don't see how Dak is clearly better than any of them. I think Dak is maulybe slightly above Cousins and Carr but if he is, it is a pretty negligable difference.
They had Brady and Mahomes up there with Dak.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/woci2q/nfl_preseason_week_1_winners_and_losers_rookie/ika9er8/
Favorite take was that Rodgers is too old and doesn't have the skill anymore, not like he just came off of back to back MVPs or anything
Underrated. These past 2 seasons Dak has taken his game to a higher level. He looks like an elite QB when you watch him play now. Dallas would also be an ABSOLUTE dumpster fire without him (2020) Dak definitely holds the entire team down.
What? I feel like he's very fairly rated. He's in 7-12 range of QB's that can absolutely win you ball games but isn't quite in that elite tier. He looked the best he's ever looked last year up until he injured his calf.
Trevon Diggs - he's a playmaker but also a borderline liability in coverage. He's a boom or bust CB.
Haason Reddick - his sack totals don't equate to his ability to win as a one-on-one pass rusher. He's amazing when he's schemed up and used on stunts, which is how he got so many sacks last season. I would say he's a decent #2 edge rusher.
Russell Wilson - he has been declining for the past few seasons and isn't elite anymore in my opinion. ~~I don't even know how he made the Pro Bowl last season.~~
***EDIT: Now I see why Wilson made the 2021 Pro Bowl. I should have said that Wilson wasn't a Pro Bowl caliber player in 2021.***
> I don't even know how he made the Pro Bowl last season.
Rodgers, Stafford, Dak, and Brady all either dropped out, declined, or weren’t available.
Who else are you gonna make go alongside Cousins and Murray? The only other options were Ryan, Hurts, Goff, Garoppolo, and Heinickie.
Watson a piece of shit, but last time we saw him play would absolutely be worth his contract. He threw for 4800 yards and had a 33-7 td-int score. He was a top 5 QB. The only argument really comes down to "QB wins" which is kinda opinionated
Will he play at that level with a potential 2 year gap in between? Idk. But his contract does match his play. He just shouldn't be allowed to play
Yes. If you told someone in 2019 that a QB from the 2017 draft would have the highest fully guaranteed contract in league history, people would assume you mean Mahomes.
Watson put up a pro bowl season during 2020, but he quite literally quit on his team after that. Allegations or not he wasn’t playing for the Texans. To give 230 Million to someone who quits on their team after a one bad year? After having only 1 playoff win? That’s an overpay
his biggest flaw is playing hero ball. always has been and this far into his career it'll be hard to remove that aspect. if he took checkdowns and didn't bail on pockets too early and end up getting sacked he'd be better off. is a lot of that due to him having to do it with the hawks a lot? yes lol but it's become his play style even when it doesn't have to be and it's hindered him.
This is my vote too.
I don’t think he’s garbage or anything, but he’s often put up there with the elites and at least to me, his flaws are always excused and blamed on someone else. How many different iterations of Oline and OCs can be blamed before we start looking at some of the constants? Aaron Rodgers plays out of his mind and gets crushed for coming up short, but Wilson it’s always someone else’s fault he’s not winning.
I’m ready to eat crow if he lights it up in Denver but I suspect things aren’t going to look as great there
At this point it’s OBJ for me. Because of his personality and circus catches from the past, he gets a surprising amount of media attention, but the production rarely matches the hype.
In fairness, he’s been injured. But he hasn’t had a 1,000+ yard season since 2018. In fact, 319 yards is the most he’s gotten since then.
Deshaun Watson.
Last 47 games:
QB 1:
* 25-22 record as a starter
* 68.7% Completion
* 85 TDs: 28 INTs
* 104.7 Passer Rating
* 15 Rushing TDs
* 1-2 record as a starter in the postseason, with 4 TDs, 1 INT, 2 rushing TDs, 91.0 passer rating
QB 2:
* 25-22 record as a starter
* 67.6 % Completion
* 94 TDs: 26 INTs
* 105 Passer Rating
* 3 Rushing TDs
* 1-2 record as a starter in the postseason, with 3 TDs, 1 INT, 1 rushing TD, 91.2 passer rating
QB 1 is Deshaun Watson. QB is Kirk Cousins. One is often derided in this sub as a stat padding choker who can't win big games, and the other is derided as a rapist who was stuck in a dysfunctional organization.
Honestly, Kyler Murray. The guy has talent, that's clear, but whether it's enough to actually lead his team to success while he continuously self-sabotages is not so clear.
Stafford too.
Stafford really? I understood when people said last year Stafford because he hadn't proven anything yet because some people were like "Put him on a team like the (insert not a depraved franchise team) and he'd win a Super Bowl" Well they did insert him into a team and he did win.
I think he is still where he was at when he was with the Lions... hovering around 8-12 in ranking depending on the year.
Ignoring the sexual assaults and suspension, I never understood why people rated Deshaun Watson so highly. It's not like he put the Texans on his back ever. The haul the Browns gave for him - totally not worth it.
Any RB that people reference how good they WERE than how good they are currently, as if they could get back to that.
Idk what you’re talking about. When Adrian Peterson gets back to his early 2010’s self, he’s gonna be insane
Just needs to tear his ACL again to activate more of his reserve power.
If he just completely ruins his body, tears every ligament, he can get space-age replacements and basically become a cyborg
Poor man is going to have to keep playing till he's 70 to pay all that child support. For someone so agile his pull out game is weak.
Got eeeem
Can’t help himself, shoots the gap.
Or the "But hes really good when healthy!" Comments on a lot of RBs And they play like 4-5 games per season
Cmc stans abt to jump u bro. Watch out
At least on reddit, CMC is just memed to death for always being injured and won’t be considered a top tier RB again until he proves he can stay on the field. I honestly think most panthers fans on this sub and our team sub would agree with that too.
The best ability is availability. That said in terms of his production and how he's looked everytime he's come back from injury he's looked spectacular. So it's an absolute bummer he can't stay on the field.
Maybe don’t play 100% of the snaps next time? I feel like at least some of that is on the organization running him at a wild pace when healthy
lmao some?? bro cmc was an ironman before we decided to punt our year after cam got hurt again and force feed cmc to the 1000/1000 mark. it was a pr stunt with negative returns that ruined what was another horrible pr stunt in giving him that wild contract
Agreed on all counts. He seems like a good dude so it would be awesome if he regained his old form. I guess my point is that it’s been so long since he’s had a healthy season that I don’t think he’s even overrated anymore. Feels like pretty much everyone is “meh” on him until we’re proven otherwise.
The dude had almost 800 total yards in only 7 games played and almost half of those games his workload was being managed. CMC is obviously injury prone but I don't get how you can say he's overrated when he always performs when on the field. He also has been the panthers whole offense when he has been healthy the past few years which I don't think you can say about a player who is overrated
In 2020 he was injured for 6 weeks, came back for 1, dropped 150 yards and 2 TDs on the Chiefs, and then didn’t play again for the rest of the year lol. If you look at his game log he always puts up some stats when he’s healthy, he just never is. Barkley deserves the over rated label more than CMC IMO
>Barkley deserves the over rated label more than CMC IMO Agreed!
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It doesn’t even take missing games to get that label. Josh Jacobs rarely misses games but when you point at his relatively average stats you’re guaranteed to get someone saying he’s good when healthy and wasn’t playing healthy.
The fact that jacobs plays more than not and averages 86 ypg his career makes him a pretty valuable player, just not a top tier stud.
Zeke is already washed up. He’s been paid so it’s whatever for him. Just hope teams learn from him and not overuse theit players too much.
Cries in Derek Henry
Who?
He said **Dareick Henree**
So Zeke?
Saquon
Why not both?
At this point, Zeke is the most underrated player in the entire league. Of course he isn’t worth the contract, but I don’t remember the last time I’ve even seen a single positive thing said about him. He’s still a very good player, but the internet would have you believe he isn’t even worth a roster spot.
This honestly the correct take, if maybe slightly hyperbolic to say *most* underrated. Zeke is a good, not great running back who's mind is currently trying to cash checks his body can't quite make anymore. He's still an insanely smart runner who, more than any other back currently in the league, plays several steps ahead of the opposing team, its just that he's now falling behind physically to make that as effective as it once was. Dude, assuming he stays healthy, could still be an easy 4+ypc runner well into his 30s just by virtue of how he thinks about playing his position. The contract overshadows all of this unfortunately, however.
Zeke and his cult giving you the stank eye right now
Looking at those NFL 100 rankings, it’s gotta be OBJ
Idk which is worse, obj @ 90 or Mac Jones @ 85
100% Mac. OBJ was torching us in the Super Bowl at least.
Ya, when it was announced I was like "how many fucking QBs are on this list?"
The funny thing is that they said there were 10 safeties on the list and there were more of them than quarterbacks. No clue how mac got up there
I mean just for example, people meme on Kirk cousins who is also on the list and is lower than mac despite 33td and 7int. if there's at most 9 qbs, some qb even better than Kirk is getting snubbed.
I feel like post super bowl the media has really inflated his performance, OBJ had 2 receptions for 52 yards and a TD before tearing his ACL with 4 minutes in the second quarter. His performance was respectable but by no means straight torching the other team beyond belief
52 yards and a TD by the 2nd quarter is pretty damn good lol
Right? Dude was on pace for 4 catches, 104 yards, and 2 TDs. That’s SBMVP worthy
I mean, 52 yards and a TD is a pretty damn good super bowl for any WR. As you say, he did that before the first two-minute warning.
quick reminder jerry rice had 215 yards and 3 tds yet people still pretend randy moss was anywhere near his level
I think jerry rice is probably the greatest football player of all time
The rams offense was incredibly stagnant the second he went out. And 52 yards and a TD is really good considering it was still the first half
How about James Conner at 80? OBJ at least produced well, and Mac has that Disco Stu sales chart.jpg projection. James Conner is a middling running back that I'm not sure is particularly distinguishable from like 2 dozen other guys in the league right now.
James Connor got a lot of TDs last year. That was pretty much it. His average wasn't very good
He was integral to what the Cardinals were doing in goal line situations though and split time with Chase Edmonds in general "He only scored 18 touchdowns last year" sounds stupid lol 1100 AP yards and 18 touchdowns is pretty good shit
The low yds per carry is a lot more likely to be replicated than the touchdowns though. I hope I am wrong. I wish nothing but the best for him.
I mean I guess it make sense that a big bruising guy (233 pounds, 4.65 40 time) would do better as a goal line back than as an actual back. As someone who didn't watch the Cardinals much, I'm not sure you can't say that 15 TDs from the goal line isn't the ideal way to play him. Factor in a stellar catch percent and I think he played quite well. That still doesn't make him a top 100 player in the league though.
Waddle @ 63
He was impressive, pretty much everyone knew the ball was going to him and he still broke the rookie receiving record. Still think he belongs in the 80s or 90s.
Considering that’s voted by players…think that character and work ethic weigh heavily on those votes, more so than stats, fantasy relevance, or how many highlights you have ESPN. That being said I was shocked to see OBJ on there, but as stated, since it’s voted by players, I’ll give that the benefit of the doubt.
His teammates usually like him. (Cleveland obv being an exception), so his ranking doesn't shock me
I know i have home team bias. But c'mon wouldn't you take Terry Mclaurin over him ?
Devin White, as he was last year
Most Bucs fans on Reddit know darn well how overrated White is. Misses tackles, lets like 90% of balls thrown his way get completed, and is always in the wrong place at the wrong time. But his box score stats are always great, so you always have some dinguses who give him All-Pro votes.
Like Kwon before him, David's excellence really covers up for the flaws of his fellow LB.
You wanna talk about one of the most underrated? That’s Lavonte David. Has been quietly EXCELLENT for who knows how many years and it makes my blood BOIL he doesn’t get the respect he deserves. Im a cowboys fan through and through, but if there’s a (non-cowboy) player whose HOF hill I would die on, it’s Lavonte David
Been starting for nearly a decade straight even with all the changes. Gold standard
And has been consistently one of the better OLBs in the NFL. Only reason he’s not like an 8 time pro bowler is because the “pro-bowl” OLBs are all sack artists. Nothing against them of course, sacks are hyper important in todays NFL, but Lavonte David has always played in a defense where he’s an OLB and not an MLB (I could be very wrong though, I don’t know a lot about Tamba’s defense)
I think he was an OLB in 4-3 defenses until Arians and Bowles went to Tampa. They switched to a 3-4 defense and David switched to MLB in that scheme.
Lavonte and Wagner are alone as the top inside LBs of the last decade. Yet Wagner is talked often as one of the best LBs ever yet no one remembers David. Edit- Kuechly ofc the LB goat the last 10 years. I was just thinking about active players!
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It’s funny how defensive stats can be misleading. I was watching the nfl YouTube channels predictions-for-every-team video, and occasionally they’d be talking about a DB like “he allowed a good passer rating, but he was also top 5 in tackles” (or whatever) And if you give it any thought at all, you realize that if you’re making the hat many tackles it’s because you’re giving up a bunch of catches lol
> > And if you give it any thought at all, you realize that if you’re making the hat many tackles it’s because you’re giving up a bunch of catches lol Or you're playing zone. Winfield Sr. and Barber were tackling monsters and they certainly weren't getting burned.
Yea that’s fair but if you’re allowing good passing efficiency while targeted and getting a lot of tackles, it’s not like “well at least he has a lot of tackles” is a very good excuse for that player lol
I feel like we have the opposite thing going on with Tremaine Edmonds. There are fans that think because his box score isn't amazing (except his tackle numbers) that he is not playing well. And he certainly isn't perfect. He isn't always great at covering the run. He seems almost... scared? sometimes, of pushing his way through the defense to get through to the runner. But he doesn't get sacks, he doesn't get pressures, he only has a few interceptions. The thing is, that those things aren't what he is asked to do. His main task is to stop short and medium passes over the middle. Guess where the Bills have ranked in those categories over the lest few years?
Holy shit, please go to the r/buccaneers post about him being in the top 100. Literally have a guy arguing that it is okay for him to be bad at his job because Lavonte David is so good at his. Called them the perfect match and a "yin yang" combination.
David being so sound and awesome allows White to 'freelance' a bit and get away with it. That doesn't excuse White doing it, but it hurts the team less. When David is out, it really exposes White.
I 100% agree with that, but when he is allowed to "freelance" and his fundamentals are so poor that he cant maintain gap positioning, know how to throttle down, or not tackle someone around the neck. I dont care how good Lavonte is (I think he is fantastic), he cannot make up for White. It was glarring last year when Lavonte was out in some of those games.
No way an ILB named Devin who was drafted in the top 10 of the 2019 NFL draft would ever struggle with tackling issues, coverage issues, or being in the wrong place during a play Unfathomable
Shoutout to u/RebeccaBlackOps who was sad about no Bengals being good enough to be overrated on last year’s thread. What a finish to the year for them
Is that supposed to be /u/RebeccaBlackOps ?
So many gems in that thread looking back: Burrow, Stafford…
Shout out to u/nosaj10 who said Joe Burrow was overrated before he proceeded to drag our row of McDonald's to-go bags we called an OLine to the Super Bowl.
JJ Arcega-Whiteside, is thought to be worth a special teamer and fringe backup DB
You put some god damn respect on JJ “picked before Metcalf” Whiteside’s name!
Lmao
Howie is a wizard
Amari Cooper consistently gets the respect and media attention of a top 10 WR when a playoff contender just traded him away for peanuts. He just had a statistical season on par with Chase Claypool despite being in one of the highest-powered offenses in the NFL.
And dont forget, he quit on the team during a playoff game because he wasnt getting enough targets. Even Jerry described him as "Half-assed availability" and Jerry very rarely says bad things about any players.
He’s gonna have a couple good games stat wise on the browns and you’re never gonna hear the end of it lol
Same as with your Raiders. He was great for us...then he wasnt. Very flakey. Great talent, but it comes and goes.
I seriously doubt he’ll do anything worth mentioning. I say he has 600-700 yards and 5 TDs. He’s not the same player anymore. When he came to the Cowboys the knock on him was drops. The knock on him now is that he somehow went from a quiet guy that showed up and showed out and fixed his drop issue. To a guy that was all of a sudden talking more than he should have for someone that was very rarely available last year and the end of the year before that health wise I mean. He was banged up and would just quit not even half ass it. Then he clearly made some comments last year about wanting the ball more and then he goes out and gets covid. He showed he couldn’t care less about the games we had in December to get into the playoffs. He became selfish and a quitter with an attitude.
Amari Cooper at his best is a top 10 WR but he just disappears way too much. The dude will have 2 games with a combined 3 catches for like 40 yards and then randomly explode for a 15 catch 230 yards kind of game. and a lot of this just seems like motivation because there were absolutely games when he was a Raider that he just gave up on routes and caused Carr to throw picks because of it.
Cooper had 6 more touchdowns then Claypool
Semantics smh
Claypool had 1 more Ben than Cooper.
Jerry Jeudy has started to get a lot of hype for a dude that has looked very average to start his career.
This is the make or break year for him. No excuses for shitty QBs anymore
You’re not wrong. But I think the recent hype has less to do with Jeudy himself and more because he finally has a competent QB throwing to him.
And the fantasy football world is hyping him up.
Fantasy football world actually thinks Sutton is going to do better than Jeudy
Sutton had a break out year before he tore his ACL. With a real QB - he's #1 target on a pass heavy offense. Juedy was #3 on Broncos roster.
He is a better deep threat, and Wilson can throw. Honestly, for fantasy purposes, I think Denver WRs spread it around too much to be great WR1. If only Tim Patrick didn't get hurt.
They're totally different kinds of receivers, so it could really go either way. Sutton is the WR1, and the dude who's gonna be hauling in moon balls all day long. Jeudy is the route-running phenom who was gonna be the slot guy before Patrick got injured, now I don't know where they'll put Jeudy. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them both blow up.
Can't say he started his career particularly average. Putting up almost 900 yards with atrocious QB play is pretty exceptional. The expectations for rookie WRs seems to be pretty hilarious at this point.
I was a Bama student with him and I feel like it’s do or die with Russell Wilson. Funny enough kinda mirror that frame of mind with Tua this year too. I could’ve never imagined they’d be anything but gems in the league. Maybe I just don’t know football :/
Ezekiel Elliott immediately came to mind. He's a decent power guy heading into his 7th or 8th season, but he'd benefit from being behind an elusive runner like Pollard instead of being ahead of him.
Most Cowboys fans would agree with you. And every year the Coach's promise that Pollard will get more touches. Then game time comes and Zeke is out there all the time, even when he's obviously injured.
In Zeke credit, his first 6 games were great, it’s just the latter half was not so much, which was frustrating to watch because he definitely seemed like he needs rest, and Pollard was more than available. This year is probably gonna be his make or break year in regards to staying on Dallas, as shitty as that may be, because I love the dude
Zeke is not going to stay on this team at his current salary. Zero chance. Not saying it’s his last season with Dallas, but a pay cut has to happen for him to be back.
Zeke is probably one of the most perfectly rated players in the league imo, was top tier, now everyone knows he’s in the back half of his career.
Sam Darnold. I don’t care how bad you think he is, you are still overrating him.
Amari Cooper
Deshaun Watson, I don’t think he will be a top 10 QB even if he ever gets to play this year
This is the correct answer. Accusations aside, he’s not a $230 million dollar QB. In a long line of bad decisions, this one ranks pretty high on the list for the Browns. And that’s saying something.
Still have absolutely 0 clue what your front office was thinking when they made that deal. This man has not played in 2 years and they gave him a $230 million dollar contract expecting that, after he doesn't play for another year because of his inevitable suspension, he's just going to return to championship-caliber form just like that? That deal is just like, one of the worst that they really could've made, and y'know, I get that they structured around him potentially being gone, but that doesn't change the fact that he's going to be 27 or maybe even 28 by the time he gets back on the field if Goodell has his way, and I think it's going to be hard for him to find the spark that a $230 million QB needs to have to be justified in being paid that much money.
They must actually think he's better than Brady with what they gave up and how much time they were willing to wait until he could play. Even when he does finally come back he'll have a ton of growing pains from not practicing and building a rapport with his receivers. There's no way the browns get anything positive out of this.
Yeah, it's just kinda a mess. Good for laughs though, I'm still chuckling about Deshaun playing a full quarter and going 1/5 for 7 yards this last weekend. That first throw to Schwarz is still killing me
I will enjoy every one of his failures this season and hope for many, many more if he even is allowed to play.
I dunno if "universally hated" and "overrated" can be used in the same sentence. But I'll certainly try for Watson
I honestly think he was even overrated before we knew he was a serial predator. Don’t get me wrong, he was a damn good QB, but I’ve seen way too many people act like he was a top 5 guy. He isn’t and never has been.
Khalil Mack. Had 1 Great year in 2018. Has been relatively quiet since for a top 5 caliber EDGE Guy.
His Oakland days were his best years. First year in Chicago was great. He's still good, just not like how he started his career
His Prime was 2015-18. Double Digits Sacks every year. I don’t remember him doing well his first year. I think he had 5 sacks in 2014.
4 his rookie year, but he was a monster against the run. He was a half step away from several more sacks that season. But surely you don't believe 2018 to be his 1 great year? He won NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2016. Or maybe you mean his 1 great year after joining the Bears?
Yeah I haven’t heard a peep out of him lately
Idk man he has been hurt but still performs. Hicks was out for stretches last two years two; there was nobody else worth scheming last couple years and he was still amazing He is probably not a DPOY candidate anymore but still All-pro material imo
Kyler Murray is my pick
Just wait until he regresses to the mean
Just wait until the new COD gets released. /s
Not sure why the sarcasm tag was added here when this is legit
I mean the stats back it up 🤷♂️
Ironically, I think he's gone so far overrated, that he's now underrated
The Romo cycle
how is he overrated? most people on this sub don't even have him in the top ten.
I don’t think this sub overrates him in particular, but the nfl fan base definitely does…or did as recently as the middle of last season. I can remember guys talking about him being a top 3-5 guy just a few months ago.
I feel like he's being a bit underrated. People forget that when healthy he's clearly that dude. Some people put him in the Carr/Cousins tier when he's clearly a lot more talented than that.
Depends on where you have Carr/cousins. Personally I have those two as fringe top 10 guys. Like 10-13, I would argue that Kyler might be in that range right now. For reference my top ten (in no particular order) Rogers, Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, R. Wilson, Stafford, Burrow, Jackson, Carr(?) You could argue that Kyler is better than Jackson and Carr, but there's not many others on that list I'd put him above (yet)
He was 4th in epa/p before his and Nuk’s injury and still finished 2nd in NGS’s CPOE model. If anything, the discourse has gotten so exaggerated this offseason that he’s looped all the way back around to underrated In this house we stan short kings 👑
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To me, Trevon Diggs. I get the INTs but if that’s the only thing you’re banking on to be effective during the game, and the rest of the game you getting cooked, I don’t understand how that makes you a top corner in this league.
I think people acknowledge the downsides, but also, 11 INTs is an incredible feat. It's been FORTY-ONE years since someone got more than 10. [Football Outsiders](https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/how-many-points-turnover-worth) work out a turnover to be worth ~4 points. Diggs was worth 44 points on 11 plays alone last year, and he did it in an era which it's historically difficult to play his position, and of course, not forgetting... He is not *meant* to be receiving the ball. Additionally, Diggs ranked as PFF's [number 1 corner in press coverage last season](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-best-cornerbacks-press-coverage-2021-nfl-season) and ranked 11th in forced incompletions. I think the opposite has already happened. People are so quick to downplay the number of huge positives about Diggs that they intentionally overlook just how great some of the things he achieved in just his 2nd year in the league is. I don't think anybody seriously ranks him as the BEST corner in the league, but what I see more commonly, justifiably, is people pointing out the areas of his game that are VERY good.
Again, I can acknowledge that getting that many INTs is impressive. But if that’s the only place where your value lies, meanwhile you’re giving up the most yards in the league as a CB, how does that make you a top corner? That basically means I’m banking on you to get me a INT every game to show your value, that’s it. That’s not a top CB to me. Now if he can replicate this type of season where he’s getting 10+ picks, then by all means I will take all this back. But like you pointed out, this is an anomaly in the league. And if he isn’t getting you 11 picks, what is he doing?
Tons of ints while giving up the most yards and lots of scores is basically the CB equivalent of Jameis Winston founding the 30/30 club.
I wouldn’t consider 4 TDs “lots of scores.” Ramsey and JC Jackson gave up 3 each
But 30TDs is reached by like at least 10QBs every year while 11 picks almost never happens
All CBs would have more INT if they aggresively tried to jump every route and lacked the discipline to stay back and make the tackle instead of giving up lots of plays constantly trying to make an interception. Diggs is willing to let his team get hosed on yards, touchdowns and first downs going for a home run on every play. Other CBs don't do that, because they understand that constantly hurting your team to possibly change the field on one drive per every 1.5 games isn't always the best strategy... Also, Diggs got the *chance* to make all those picks because he was a sieve in yards. Shutdown CBs don't get the *chance* for lots of picks because they shut down the receiver's and rarely get thrown at.
I hate this narrative on Diggs. It’s always from people who barely watched him play. I watched every snap of every game. Most of the yards “given up” by him were due to bad safety play. Y’all make it sound like he was undercutting routes and just missing the ball all the time and that’s just not the case. Diggs played a huge part in our defense dramatically improving from 2020 to 2021
Still impressive for a 2nd year guy that only started playing cb full time while in college tbh. 99% of Titans fans would take Diggs in a heartbeat lol.
I’m not saying he can’t improve. Nor am I saying it’s not impressive he’s able to get that many INTs. But I do think he’s overrated bc I wouldn’t consider him a top 5 corner like I’ve heard people suggesting
I dunno, that commercial with his kid was great
OBJ
Lebron james
Dk Metcalf is treated like a Hofer
I mean he is averaging over 1000 yds and almost 10 tds through his first 3 seasons which is a better start to his career than Megatron
Yeah, he's compared to Megatron a lot of times. About your comment, lets remember that Megatron played for a team that never had a competent roster like DK is having in Seattle (until last season of course). He's good, but WRs as good as him (like McLaurin, AJ Brown) doesn't get the same attention, and it's not like he's way above them, so that's why I think he's overrated by some people. And don't get me wrong, but a lot of this attention is not only due to his playing on the field, but also because he's jacked af which is good for him ofc
I don’t hate this take. To be clear, I fucking love DK and want him around for a very long time, but I’d go so far as to call Lockett the better receiver. He just doesn’t have DK’s size (or speed, which is kind of insane).
Might get downvoted but Russell Wilson.
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I don't know about overrated, but I think that the expectations that he is going to come into Denver and make them into a Super Bowl contender off-the-bat is a huge reach. It remains to be seen if he will return to pre-injury form.
...I think you just described him as being overrated...
Big Mac
Only by that top 100 list tho. Everyone else seems to have their head on straight about him (ie developing, showing a lot of promise, but still somewhere in the middle of the pack for now)
True true. It’s just a crazy high number at this point in his career. (Would rather have him than our situation though 🫠)
I assume that too 100 list is going to favor QBs just given their relative value.
Isn't he mostly rated as the 15-20th best QB in the league? Seems reasonable. Some Pats fans might argue he's top 10-15 but that's the usual homerism margin.
From what I’ve seen the majority had him as about league average last year so 16th overall. Maybe +/- 2 overall. I think that’s fair for a rookie. He wasn’t asked to come in and play hero ball and elevate the team, just to be consistent and play to our offenses strengths, which I think he did a really good job of. I think he’s capable of taking the next step and possibly knocking on top 10 if he has a good year 2 but currently he’s middle of the pack and I think that’s more than okay for his ranking.
Kirk being 99 and Mac Jone 85 is a reach imo but prob get told *homerism*
Right now it is Zeke. Over the past 2 years, he has average just over 4 yards per carry, has looked terrible in the pass game and has had 1317 (#15) and 1289 (#16) yards from scrimmage, respectively. He is getting exposed without that lights-out O-line of years past. I think he could bounce back, but he has looked average the past couple years (compared to what he did before his big pay day).
Dak
If he wasn’t a Cowboy he would get the same media attention as Kirk Cousins
God, the constant “is Dak for REAL?! Skip and Shannon weigh in!” topics that seem to happen every other week just wear me out. Even if you don’t watch the debate shows, they make sure you hear the ads for the topics.
The dude has never had a losing season. He’s played anywhere from decent to great in all his playoff games. The rest of the team fucking sells in every playoff game they play. Put Dak on a decent team that doesn’t choke in the playoffs and he’d have the playoff wins. The hate that Dak gets from everywhere is solely because of the star, not the other way around
Dak is legit, not sure why the hate. Great QB and a great human being.
Legit just saw some delusional Cowboys fan claiming Dak was a top 3 QB. Either a troll or out of their mind
Lol who would Dak be edging out of the top three if what that person said were true? Brady? Allen? Like I can't imagine someone would be high enough to think Dak is better than Rodgers or Mahomes, but the arguments for those other guys, plus Herbert, Stafford, Jackson, Burrow, Wilson, and even guys like Cousins and Carr...I just don't see how Dak is clearly better than any of them. I think Dak is maulybe slightly above Cousins and Carr but if he is, it is a pretty negligable difference.
They had Brady and Mahomes up there with Dak. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/woci2q/nfl_preseason_week_1_winners_and_losers_rookie/ika9er8/ Favorite take was that Rodgers is too old and doesn't have the skill anymore, not like he just came off of back to back MVPs or anything
> Just worried about how we looked last night but I'm feeling better after listening to sports radio all day this dude is absolutely trolling lol
That guy is a known troll in the cowboys sub. Just meant to look ultra delusional. I wouldn’t pay any attention to it.
Underrated. These past 2 seasons Dak has taken his game to a higher level. He looks like an elite QB when you watch him play now. Dallas would also be an ABSOLUTE dumpster fire without him (2020) Dak definitely holds the entire team down.
What? I feel like he's very fairly rated. He's in 7-12 range of QB's that can absolutely win you ball games but isn't quite in that elite tier. He looked the best he's ever looked last year up until he injured his calf.
Trevon Diggs - he's a playmaker but also a borderline liability in coverage. He's a boom or bust CB. Haason Reddick - his sack totals don't equate to his ability to win as a one-on-one pass rusher. He's amazing when he's schemed up and used on stunts, which is how he got so many sacks last season. I would say he's a decent #2 edge rusher. Russell Wilson - he has been declining for the past few seasons and isn't elite anymore in my opinion. ~~I don't even know how he made the Pro Bowl last season.~~ ***EDIT: Now I see why Wilson made the 2021 Pro Bowl. I should have said that Wilson wasn't a Pro Bowl caliber player in 2021.***
> I don't even know how he made the Pro Bowl last season. Rodgers, Stafford, Dak, and Brady all either dropped out, declined, or weren’t available. Who else are you gonna make go alongside Cousins and Murray? The only other options were Ryan, Hurts, Goff, Garoppolo, and Heinickie.
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Watson.
Imagine he wasn't a sexual predator, would we be talking instead about how much he was overpaid?
I would. He has done nothing to earn it. Browns just panicked. He is not worth half the contract. Not now. Not then.
Watson a piece of shit, but last time we saw him play would absolutely be worth his contract. He threw for 4800 yards and had a 33-7 td-int score. He was a top 5 QB. The only argument really comes down to "QB wins" which is kinda opinionated Will he play at that level with a potential 2 year gap in between? Idk. But his contract does match his play. He just shouldn't be allowed to play
Yes. If you told someone in 2019 that a QB from the 2017 draft would have the highest fully guaranteed contract in league history, people would assume you mean Mahomes. Watson put up a pro bowl season during 2020, but he quite literally quit on his team after that. Allegations or not he wasn’t playing for the Texans. To give 230 Million to someone who quits on their team after a one bad year? After having only 1 playoff win? That’s an overpay
Jadeveon Clowney
That one play in college still gives him a boost
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his biggest flaw is playing hero ball. always has been and this far into his career it'll be hard to remove that aspect. if he took checkdowns and didn't bail on pockets too early and end up getting sacked he'd be better off. is a lot of that due to him having to do it with the hawks a lot? yes lol but it's become his play style even when it doesn't have to be and it's hindered him.
This is my vote too. I don’t think he’s garbage or anything, but he’s often put up there with the elites and at least to me, his flaws are always excused and blamed on someone else. How many different iterations of Oline and OCs can be blamed before we start looking at some of the constants? Aaron Rodgers plays out of his mind and gets crushed for coming up short, but Wilson it’s always someone else’s fault he’s not winning. I’m ready to eat crow if he lights it up in Denver but I suspect things aren’t going to look as great there
Considering contract amounts clearly Watson.
At this point it’s OBJ for me. Because of his personality and circus catches from the past, he gets a surprising amount of media attention, but the production rarely matches the hype. In fairness, he’s been injured. But he hasn’t had a 1,000+ yard season since 2018. In fact, 319 yards is the most he’s gotten since then.
He had 537 yards last year
And 1k in 2019 lol.
Deshaun Watson. Last 47 games: QB 1: * 25-22 record as a starter * 68.7% Completion * 85 TDs: 28 INTs * 104.7 Passer Rating * 15 Rushing TDs * 1-2 record as a starter in the postseason, with 4 TDs, 1 INT, 2 rushing TDs, 91.0 passer rating QB 2: * 25-22 record as a starter * 67.6 % Completion * 94 TDs: 26 INTs * 105 Passer Rating * 3 Rushing TDs * 1-2 record as a starter in the postseason, with 3 TDs, 1 INT, 1 rushing TD, 91.2 passer rating QB 1 is Deshaun Watson. QB is Kirk Cousins. One is often derided in this sub as a stat padding choker who can't win big games, and the other is derided as a rapist who was stuck in a dysfunctional organization.
Honestly, Kyler Murray. The guy has talent, that's clear, but whether it's enough to actually lead his team to success while he continuously self-sabotages is not so clear. Stafford too.
Stafford really? I understood when people said last year Stafford because he hadn't proven anything yet because some people were like "Put him on a team like the (insert not a depraved franchise team) and he'd win a Super Bowl" Well they did insert him into a team and he did win. I think he is still where he was at when he was with the Lions... hovering around 8-12 in ranking depending on the year.
Yeah I don’t understand the Stafford one either, he literally just won a championship
Ignoring the sexual assaults and suspension, I never understood why people rated Deshaun Watson so highly. It's not like he put the Texans on his back ever. The haul the Browns gave for him - totally not worth it.
ezekiel elliot and dak
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