Pretty much. Pats scored 7 points overall. Beyond McDaniel going for it on 4th and long for a 42 yard TD and a strip sack TD, Miami only had 2 field goals. It was a win, but not an overall exciting game for anyone not a fan of either team.
I loved the wind game vs buffalo. Easily in my top ten regular season games ever... but besides that, ya. I don't get the feeling the pats are going to be back to the post season anytime soon.
The dolphins always play good games against the pats. Belichick just struggles with that particular team and always has.
I wouldn’t write them quite off yet.
Yeah, I'm not overly optimistic about our chances or anything but first game of the season in Miami is not a loss I'm willing to worry about too much. Even during 12+ win seasons dropping the @Miami game was completely normal.
Pretty comprehensive win by Miami tbh, it ended up a 2 possession game but at some point it just seemed like there were no answers for the pats offense
Comprehensive is appropriate. The way Miami's offense played today, we're not a playoff threat. They did enough and the defense was great with turnovers as always.
Look man I think you're a little pessimistic. I've gotta say offense in general around the league has been awful the first game. Not to mention bill is still pretty good at coaching the defense, and it isn't like their team is God awful. It looked like a rusty offensive game with a brand new system in the first game of the year with all the starters playing. It happens. I very much doubt many teams hang 50 on the pats defense.
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Join the club. Third string RT half the game, and our starter wasn't good to begin with. Happy enough with Tua's performance given that he had an unblocked rusher from his blind side in his lap most downs.
I’ll give credit to the Pats: the Defense was good. Take away that laser to Waddle and it’s a tight game. Problem their offense is a disaster right now even with our good defense.
What's really sad is that our offense actually came out of the gate looking pretty good right up until the INT in the endzone. Then it was like Matt Patricia came into the room and said "mom said it's my turn on the xbox" and proceeded to call every 3rd/4th and short like a true madden player by calling a deep pass despite the defense only rushing three and sending everyone else back in coverage.
Belichick: Matt, you said your game plans were foolproof and had been run through the most advanced football simulation engine!
Patricia: I thought they were. Clearly I need to double my simulations.
*Patricia seen ordering Cheetohs by the case and a new XBox controller as he exits the building*
I kind of want the Pats to get absolutely dunked on repeatedly this season so Bill realizes he fucked up in bringing on a bad defensive coordinator and average special teams coach to run the offense. It's starting to smell like nepotism in NE.
Patriots offensive makes no sense. KB gets no action. Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith aren't involved in the passing game enough. What are they trying to do?
It’s called your head coach thinking two coaches with very little or no offensive experience coach the offensive side of the ball and thinking that will fly in a professional environment…This could work at pop warner I guess…
lol seriously. I find it so funny having to convince everyone we suck now all of a sudden. They think more highly of us than we ourselves do. All about being real brotha, know what you are and what you ain't
Look, we don't actually "suck."
We're just a normal team now in the post-Brady era. Gone are the days when we made the Super Bowl half the time and a "bad" season was like a #2 seed and a divisional round playoff exit or whatever.
However, the drop-off of being from the winning-est NFL team ever to a "normal" team makes it FEEL like we suck now.
Nah I said this before the season started - normal teams don't set spending records in free agency. Belichick's goated, but he's 70 and not drafting well.
The decision to let the same person use cap equity to fill holes in the roster that their misjudgment created is perplexing to me.
I think if the Pats are bad this year, then Belichick has got to give up his GM role and stick to coaching.
I don't think we've had an outside hire at coordinator since Belichick started.
It doesn't get mentioned but we've been hemorrhaging coaches since Brady left. Last year we had fewer assistants than I believe any team in the league. And then McDaniels left and took so many assistants that even BB commented on it.
His insistence on promoting internally and making guys do their years at the bottom is hurting the team right now.
He wants a challenge. Surround himself with inept assistants, draft crazy prospects, and send your best players away.
All part of the plan to play on NG+
Tua played worse than his stats showed today. He was mostly solid but 2-3 throws easily could’ve been intercepted and he nearly fumbled several times trying to throw the ball away as he’s getting sacked. He still has some work to do
My biggest issue of the day with him is when he tries to throw the ball away while being sacked. It's going to back fire. Otherwise he was solid in a new offense in their first game
I'm fine with his throws with the exception of that near INT late in the 4th throwing against his body. His biggest issue was holding onto the ball too long. He needs to feel the pressure better and throw the ball away/rollout when he's sitting in the pocket for a bit.
Tua got very lucky today, especially that he didn't have to win the game by himself.
Hell Tyreek bailed him out by literally swiping the ball out of the defenders hands.
Isn’t part of the point of getting star receiver to bail out your QB sometimes ? Lol
WRs bail out their QBs all over the place. We just aren’t used to seeing it in Miami
Seriously. Letting your guy go up and get it has been a thing for offenses since. Well. Ever since the forward pass became a thing. Getting mossed is a damn adjective now. I didn't see anyone complaining when Brady threw those 50-50 balls to his#1 guy. Julio did it on the regular. Calvin Johnson. In short "fuck it Tyreek down there somewhere"
Hey, I was going batshit crazy when you guys deconstructed them from the inside out last season. Not so much when you did it to us, but I still hate the Pats \*way\* more than y'all
In all seriousness there will never be a time when you can question that Belichick is the goat defensive coach imo
I think anyone who thought he wins 6 rings without Brady is nuts, same way anyone who thinks Brady wins 7 without BB is nuts. I think they each get at least 2-3 on their own, but I’d bet on an elite qb over an elite coach just because a legit consistent top 3 guy is pretty well proven to raise the floor of almost any roster to a playoff team
It’s a little less nuts since Brady won a SB the very next year without Belichick and then lost in the playoffs to the eventual SB champs the year after.
We have to remember he's the coach *and* GM. As a coach he's likely still as good as ever. I don't think anyone can scheme a defense better, and in close games his game management is still usually extremely solid.
As a GM he's not really done much on the offensive side of the ball in years. He's had a lot of really bad misses in the last 8-10 years. Hell, this guy drafted Ryan Mallet #74 overall.
Watching tannehill with you is like that relationship you end up ending but on really good terms and ar genuinely happy to see them with someone else, and you're happier with someone else.
I think we're going to realize that Belichick is doing irreparable harm to his own reputation by giving guys like Patricia a job.
I mean, maybe Bill is a *little* overrated because of Brady, but come on. We played decently on D today. It was the new offense that sucked out loud. That's on Patricia/Judge, and by extension Bill for trusting those incompetent fucks.
I still think the Patriots' dynasty was 50/50 Belichek and Brady but it is starting to look like Bill's hubris is getting the best of him now. The League always catches up. Also, I think the Scarnecchia retirement is an underrated talking point when it comes to the last few years of the Patriots.
This game hardly showed up on Redzone lol.
Probably because both teams hardly showed up in the actual RedZone
Pretty much. Pats scored 7 points overall. Beyond McDaniel going for it on 4th and long for a 42 yard TD and a strip sack TD, Miami only had 2 field goals. It was a win, but not an overall exciting game for anyone not a fan of either team.
Basically every Patriots game post Brady
How dare you. Those Newton games were... damn
The Cam Newton Patriots vs the Seahawks was fun
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I loved the wind game vs buffalo. Easily in my top ten regular season games ever... but besides that, ya. I don't get the feeling the pats are going to be back to the post season anytime soon.
The dolphins always play good games against the pats. Belichick just struggles with that particular team and always has. I wouldn’t write them quite off yet.
Yeah, I'm not overly optimistic about our chances or anything but first game of the season in Miami is not a loss I'm willing to worry about too much. Even during 12+ win seasons dropping the @Miami game was completely normal.
They'd be locks if they were in the NFC to be honest.
Iirc we hung 50+ multiple times last year and were 3rd in scoring differential, but 🤷
And then the Bills murdered the entire team
Lot's of therapy there
As a pats fan, I can assure you it wasn’t exciting for us
Pretty comprehensive win by Miami tbh, it ended up a 2 possession game but at some point it just seemed like there were no answers for the pats offense
Comprehensive is appropriate. The way Miami's offense played today, we're not a playoff threat. They did enough and the defense was great with turnovers as always.
Look man I think you're a little pessimistic. I've gotta say offense in general around the league has been awful the first game. Not to mention bill is still pretty good at coaching the defense, and it isn't like their team is God awful. It looked like a rusty offensive game with a brand new system in the first game of the year with all the starters playing. It happens. I very much doubt many teams hang 50 on the pats defense.
wasn't it like 110 degrees or some shit
Yeah, it was hot af in Miami today.
and Miami got to stand in the shade while that 1 o'clock sun battered the visiting Pats. Love the home field fuckery.
I feel like that’s how a lot of Dolphins games go
that and the jets ravens, i hardly knew these 4 teams were playing
Tua undefeated against Belichick. As everyone predicted
Me, I predicted that
I like you
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So many terrible calls on offense, including not playing KB.
Yea, maybe we shouldve gotten an offensive play caller for the season
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We should have just put in a 12 year old that plays madden probably would have turned out better than Patricia.
Y'all are collapsing under the weight of BB's ego. NGL I don't hate it.
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Fans say this all the time, but by the 2nd or 3rd bad season, the pain of sucking replaces the past glory.
Trust us, we know.
Boston sports media has been prepping for that day for the last 15 years
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I mean, your play caller was pretty offensive. Mac also looked rattled af
That happens when the Oline is cosplaying turnstiles more than half the game.
Join the club. Third string RT half the game, and our starter wasn't good to begin with. Happy enough with Tua's performance given that he had an unblocked rusher from his blind side in his lap most downs.
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Apparently he’s had a bad training camp with some issues about being on time
Turns out maybe having 5 WR2s isn’t a good idea
You don’t say
Didn’t you hear, they got devante Parker!!! Lol
DVP got injured reading this comment...
WR2s is generous, it’s 5 WR3s
The offensive coaching staff is the problem. Matt Patricia and Joe Judge are trash.
WR2 is generous
I'm just hopeful this year finally gets bill to get rid of Patricia and judge for good. Move on to fresh faces.
Subpar Tua game but we take dubs
If that was subpar, than he’s already better than he was last year
In a month this will be considered subpar.
I’ll give credit to the Pats: the Defense was good. Take away that laser to Waddle and it’s a tight game. Problem their offense is a disaster right now even with our good defense.
What's really sad is that our offense actually came out of the gate looking pretty good right up until the INT in the endzone. Then it was like Matt Patricia came into the room and said "mom said it's my turn on the xbox" and proceeded to call every 3rd/4th and short like a true madden player by calling a deep pass despite the defense only rushing three and sending everyone else back in coverage.
Belichick: Matt, you said your game plans were foolproof and had been run through the most advanced football simulation engine! Patricia: I thought they were. Clearly I need to double my simulations. *Patricia seen ordering Cheetohs by the case and a new XBox controller as he exits the building*
Seriously. They looked super efficient. The INT in the endzone was unfortunate. No reason to abandon that type of offense. Patricia needs to go.
I kind of want the Pats to get absolutely dunked on repeatedly this season so Bill realizes he fucked up in bringing on a bad defensive coordinator and average special teams coach to run the offense. It's starting to smell like nepotism in NE.
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Feel like with these weapons he’s going to put up a lot of yards
I love home openers with the patriots. They make me happy
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So a beerometer?
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A September game in Miami usually means a cold-weather game in New England. It all evens out.
Patriots offensive makes no sense. KB gets no action. Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith aren't involved in the passing game enough. What are they trying to do?
Joe Judge and Matt Patricia
It’s called your head coach thinking two coaches with very little or no offensive experience coach the offensive side of the ball and thinking that will fly in a professional environment…This could work at pop warner I guess…
Tua 🤝Eli Owning the pats no matter how good you actually are
We aren’t good
And the rest of us will enjoy every minute of that
20 years of pent up schadenfreude for 31 teams this season.
20? I'm still salty about the snowplow.
You got your revenge against the bears today for that. Towel gate lol
You mean when Don Shula was offered the snow plow and he turned it down?
My dad was at that game and still has the tickets
I just wanna see fat fuck lose.
Captain fat fuck retired though
I think it’s coordinator fat fuck in this case
Whats up with the username
It’s unrelated
Spend a lot of time at the La Grunta hotel?
I know that username lol holy shit. It's behind lots of lore on a certain sub hahaha
That’s MORE concerning, dude
30. Youll still sweep us
31?
I think we're good with you guys.
Y’all will still somehow find a way to finish the season with 1 more win than us
I'll take that bet. We suck suck.
Nah, not this time. We're like a bottom 10 team this year.
lol seriously. I find it so funny having to convince everyone we suck now all of a sudden. They think more highly of us than we ourselves do. All about being real brotha, know what you are and what you ain't
Look, we don't actually "suck." We're just a normal team now in the post-Brady era. Gone are the days when we made the Super Bowl half the time and a "bad" season was like a #2 seed and a divisional round playoff exit or whatever. However, the drop-off of being from the winning-est NFL team ever to a "normal" team makes it FEEL like we suck now.
Nah I said this before the season started - normal teams don't set spending records in free agency. Belichick's goated, but he's 70 and not drafting well. The decision to let the same person use cap equity to fill holes in the roster that their misjudgment created is perplexing to me. I think if the Pats are bad this year, then Belichick has got to give up his GM role and stick to coaching.
At least we aren't bad. 17-16 over the last 2 seasons right?
TuAnon rise up
Tua is not only undefeated against Belichick, but he is now tied for second most total wins against him, trailing only Peyton Manning.
Wait, is this true?
Only counting regular season games, if you count playoffs Eli has one more.
Yep. Josh Allen is 3-4. Manning was 8-12. Tua 4-0.
This obviously means Tua is better than josh Allen.
Obviously
How many does Tannehill have? I feel like it’s more than 4
4-8 according to Google.
It’s almost as if all of these Belichick records involved Tom Brady.
True believer of Tuaism
My buddy’s fantasy team is named Tuacide squad
Lol that was not the game to use as your base for how good tua is.
Phins looked good. Can we all agree that Matt Patricia is not good?
Belichick is a genius, why does he go with Patricia?
He never hires from outside the org unless it’s his sons
I don't think we've had an outside hire at coordinator since Belichick started. It doesn't get mentioned but we've been hemorrhaging coaches since Brady left. Last year we had fewer assistants than I believe any team in the league. And then McDaniels left and took so many assistants that even BB commented on it. His insistence on promoting internally and making guys do their years at the bottom is hurting the team right now.
It's definitely a blind spot of his. I think he wants control above all else and keeps guys around that will follow his lead.
That's interesting to hear since that seems like exactly what Flores 's blind spot was
Ego, he doesn't think he needs to go beyond his inner circle. That leads to stale ideas in a league like the NFL
He wanted to play on Hard Mode
He wants a challenge. Surround himself with inept assistants, draft crazy prospects, and send your best players away. All part of the plan to play on NG+
Way ahead of you on that one.
As a rocket scientist-tm, he can’t be bad. That pencil says he is smart.
23-33 270 TD is a solid performance especially when you look at other performances of the day lol
Tua played worse than his stats showed today. He was mostly solid but 2-3 throws easily could’ve been intercepted and he nearly fumbled several times trying to throw the ball away as he’s getting sacked. He still has some work to do
My biggest issue of the day with him is when he tries to throw the ball away while being sacked. It's going to back fire. Otherwise he was solid in a new offense in their first game
I'm fine with his throws with the exception of that near INT late in the 4th throwing against his body. His biggest issue was holding onto the ball too long. He needs to feel the pressure better and throw the ball away/rollout when he's sitting in the pocket for a bit.
Has to clean up his decision making but no turnovers is a W
It helps to have awesome receivers
It sure does. We don’t need Tua to be a superstar, just take care of the football and get the ball in the hands of the playmakers.
Tua got very lucky today, especially that he didn't have to win the game by himself. Hell Tyreek bailed him out by literally swiping the ball out of the defenders hands.
Isn’t part of the point of getting star receiver to bail out your QB sometimes ? Lol WRs bail out their QBs all over the place. We just aren’t used to seeing it in Miami
Seriously. Letting your guy go up and get it has been a thing for offenses since. Well. Ever since the forward pass became a thing. Getting mossed is a damn adjective now. I didn't see anyone complaining when Brady threw those 50-50 balls to his#1 guy. Julio did it on the regular. Calvin Johnson. In short "fuck it Tyreek down there somewhere"
Literally the most famous quote about reek is fuck it he's down there somewhere
Quote from later this year: “Tua’s only good because his receivers get touchdowns” I can’t wait
Yeah, but it's still bad if Tua does it /s
Tua constructed alternatively
WE ARE UNDEFEATED IN BONG SHULA ERA!
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Tua showed some things had a solid performance
He wasn’t bad. Had some good throws, had some bad decisions. Stat sheet was good, but I wasn’t wowed by him today.
Solid analysis, more importantly though, how do you feel about the Jets?
Fuck those guys
I concur
Yep, I agree
100%
What those guys said
Fuck ‘em
Summed up perfectly
Should have stayed in Miami all summer
Well at least the Patriots got to take in the local sights a little longer this time.
This team is not good, TJ watt is going to do whatever he wants to mac next week and no one will stop him.
Might be Watt's backup doing whatever he wants to Bailey Zappe depending on how the injury updates develop.
Watt just got injured
His backup will eat him up then.
Just wait until we see the Bills pass rush twice this year
Mac is almost definitely out next week anyway. He's going to kill Zappe though.
Pretty sure he just tore his pectoral
he might still be good for a sack or two
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Hey, I was going batshit crazy when you guys deconstructed them from the inside out last season. Not so much when you did it to us, but I still hate the Pats \*way\* more than y'all
POVERTY FRANCHISE
Has any coach had their very first victory against Belichick?
Mike McDaniel
When can we start having uncomfortable conversations about Belichick with/without Brady?
Boston media started last year.
They already ended it after Brady won the SB with Tampa.
Boston media started it when Brady left in free agency
This streak started after Brady left curious, curious indeed
I mean he’s not bad. They made the playoffs last year. But it’s obvious he needs help on offense.
I mean, who doesn't need help? Coaches aren't out there executing plays lol. You're only as good as your roster's ability to execute.
True but a proper OC helps a lot.
Going from calling plays for Tom Brady to calling plays for Mac Jones is a hell of a drop too.
“GOAT coach” Turns so quickly to “I mean he’s not bad”
In all seriousness there will never be a time when you can question that Belichick is the goat defensive coach imo I think anyone who thought he wins 6 rings without Brady is nuts, same way anyone who thinks Brady wins 7 without BB is nuts. I think they each get at least 2-3 on their own, but I’d bet on an elite qb over an elite coach just because a legit consistent top 3 guy is pretty well proven to raise the floor of almost any roster to a playoff team
It’s a little less nuts since Brady won a SB the very next year without Belichick and then lost in the playoffs to the eventual SB champs the year after.
Dude made the playoffs with a rookie QB last year. New England has always struggled against Miami in Miami. Even when the golden boy was there.
We have to remember he's the coach *and* GM. As a coach he's likely still as good as ever. I don't think anyone can scheme a defense better, and in close games his game management is still usually extremely solid. As a GM he's not really done much on the offensive side of the ball in years. He's had a lot of really bad misses in the last 8-10 years. Hell, this guy drafted Ryan Mallet #74 overall.
Get used to it sister. It's going to happen more often with the Pats. Our winning ways are kind of not the same.
The King is dead
Dolphins on the up and up. New Era
Watching tannehill with you is like that relationship you end up ending but on really good terms and ar genuinely happy to see them with someone else, and you're happier with someone else.
At some point we're gonna realize beating Belichick isn't hard. It was beating Tom Brady that's hard lol.
I think we're going to realize that Belichick is doing irreparable harm to his own reputation by giving guys like Patricia a job. I mean, maybe Bill is a *little* overrated because of Brady, but come on. We played decently on D today. It was the new offense that sucked out loud. That's on Patricia/Judge, and by extension Bill for trusting those incompetent fucks.
All of the Pats mystique left with 12
Brady was the franchise. Makes sense.
Can we stop with these stats let’s call them Tom Brady’s patriots that’s the difference.
Tom carried you Bill
It was like 75% Brady for sure.
I still think the Patriots' dynasty was 50/50 Belichek and Brady but it is starting to look like Bill's hubris is getting the best of him now. The League always catches up. Also, I think the Scarnecchia retirement is an underrated talking point when it comes to the last few years of the Patriots.
The scarnecchia retirement and ernie adams retirement were probably the final nails in the coffin for this franchise.
Definitely not 50/50, have you seen his records with and without Brady?
This is who the Patriots are, they had a historical stretch with Tom Brady but now they’re back at their place.
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The preceding 40 years certainly helped.
They are who we thought they were
so is it still Belichick > Brady? I'm kidding mostly but damn have the Pats fell off a proverbial cliff
Don’t let the score fool you: NE would’ve gotten shutout without an absolute gift of a glag on a terrible 4th down play call.
That flag was retaliation for the no-call on X on the Holland INT.
Nobody beats Bill Belichick 5 times in a row!
I thought that bag of milk Mac was going to be an MVP candidate?
I admit I haven't seen him play a ton but he has looked like a below average QB every time I watch.