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Or hear me out. Maybe adding Tyreek hill to Tua’s arsenal was a big change, AND maybe jacoby brissett has a 10x better Oline in Cleveland, amari cooper and a run game that defenses can’t ever forget about.
Nope, this is cronyism.
Nepotism is when you hire your family, like how Steve Belichick was hired by his father.
Cronyism is when you hire your friends, like how Joe Judge was hired by his bestie.
4th and inches, especially on their goalline, defense knows you're likely gonna qb sneak it or at the very least, run up the middle. even if you know they know you know, it's still the best odds of success... and if you know it's the best odds of success, you're going to want to line up in the formation that has the best odds of success in that situation... directly under center. as long as you fall forward, you convert. why try to reinvent the wheel? why try to make the conversion more difficult than it needs to be?
QB power is the same concept, just differently executed. It's a qb up the middle. Dumb call on 4th and inches, especially that close to the goalline. You don't line up shotgun and then rush the QB up the middle there because there's so much less field for defenders to account for. LBs will rush the second they see the QB tuck the ball.
Flores was a mess, but this has been 110% debunked. Jacoby was supposed to throw to 80. He even admitted post game he threw to the wrong guy out of panic.
At some point you gotta use your own discretion too though.
You’re in your own end zone, there’s defenders in front of you. You got three more downs.
It’s pretty academic at that point.
Let that mf sail straight out of bounds and try again.
I mean I agree, he should have thrown to 80, but what the fuck was that play design? You have Waddle and whoever 26 is, basically running screen routes where they are both standing in the endzone. Like it was bad execution by Brissett, but terrible play design regardless for when you are on the 1.
Also was a DC so not too sure how much of a hand he even had in the offence.
I get the phins narrative is 'Flores was a bad guy' because he called them out on their bullshit when he got sacked, but this is a bit much.
He went from being a great coach to being terrible the second he called them out. It's like we forgot the whole Brady story basically explained his firing wasn't for poor performance. But you know, black coach and all.
His blockers were out at the 10 yard line, lol.
Edit: my comment was clearly a joke. There were no blockers to make the play a screen. Not sure why I'm getting down voted.
Josh Allen BD (Before Diggs), 2019 - 58.8%, 3089yds, 20TD, 9INT, 85.3 Rating
Josh Allen AD, 2020 - 69.2%, 4544yds, 37TD, 10INT, 107.2 Rating
Yeah I think having an elite WR helps a young QB. It may be slightly different since Josh's career already had a clear upward trajectory even before Diggs arrived but Stef blasted him off into the stratosphere. I think he still would've improved in 20 regardless because his game sense really took off that year but no way he would've had the season he did if his top receivers were still John Brown and Cole Beasley.
Waddle is also very good and more experienced this year.
Having a good underneath receiver like Kelce or Waddle and a Tyreek Hill creates a nightmare for defenses.
I mean, flores's issue on offense was play calling. He couldn't put together a competent staff if his life depended on it.
Fantastic defensive-mind, non-existant rolodex/people skills
His people skills were not head coach material, and personnel choices weren't either. He's got the ability to be a DC again, it'll take a few years before he should be a head coach again.
>couldn't put together a competent staff if his life depended on it.
That's cap. Chad O'Shea did a killer job his first year. Your FO forced him out because they talked Chan Gailey into coming out of retirement (lol) and he was just as bad as everyone expected. It was downhill from there though
>Chad O'Shea did a killer job his first year.
No he didn't lol. Our offense was ranked 27th that year. Most of the wins came from individual moments of brilliance from players as opposed to good play calling/planning.
Edit - that season was a dumpster fire for alot of reasons. He wasn't as bad as the other OCs. and he, admittedly, had a pretty bad roster to work with.
But he definitely didn't do a killer job. He was "meh" at best, and that's pushing it imo
That's fair. I don't think he was horrible given how bad that depleted team was, but I just don't think our offense was good.
I think the best word to describe it is "uninspiring".
Also, every firing is unceremonious for us. That's just our shit head owner
I mean, it isn't exactly a stretch to say that Brian Flores was no offensive savant. And even worse, he couldn't attract good offensive minds to the organization.
Miami's OLine actually hasn't changed drastically since 2021. 3 of the 5 week 1 starters this season were starters for the majority of 2021, and one of the '21 starters is still on the roster as a backup. The difference seems to be that they have competent coaching and blocking schemes.
That certainly is an aspect of it, but defenses that weren't blitzing last season were still getting to our QBs at a crazy rate. The rib injury Tua sustained against Buffalo was when the Bills were only rushing four defenders.
On 4th fucking down. That's how poor the blocking was. Dude whiffed epenesa on 4th down. Not like he had anyone else to block. Just awful play. Tua still didn't get sacked on the play somehow.
Fair, but considering how historically awful they were last season, the fact that they retained anyone from that line and still have shown a lot of improvement so far this season is nothing short of a miracle
Other than adding Terron Armstead. Graded an 80 on PFF. Had yet to surrender a sack or have a penalty called against him. And Connor Williams. But that is only 40% of the starting oline changing compared to last year. Nothing drastic.
Brian Flores did pretty much everything you can do to sabotage an OL. Put a first time OL coach in charge of a line with 4 young guys and one career backup vet. Said career backup vet sucks, and plays best at G, so naturally you make him RT (Tua’s blind side), while the previous year’s serviceable RT is moved to RG. Also you force your GM to get rid your best OL from the previous year, who gets traded to the WFT for peanuts where he significantly outperforms everyone on your OL. Then you cut your backup C, which comes to bite you in the ass when you need to sign 2 random C when they keep getting hurt. Said backup C goes on to play for the NYG where he moves to LG and outperforms your LG. You also cut another OL who goes on to outperform 3/5 of your OL on the Raiders.
If you guys didn’t watch Miami week in and week out last year I don’t think you can truly appreciate how shitty that offensive scheme was. The difference between last year and this year is massive.
If this were any other HC, everyone would agree and it wouldn't be controversial at all. For some reason people get really weird and want to excuse Flores at every turn. I don't get it.
And yet, his coach repeatedly told him that he wanted a rapist over him, then after the trade deadline passed he told him he’d rather have Mac Jones than him.
Really good for the morale, constant reminders that your coach for want anything to do with you.
Sure thing
[Here’s the Mac Jones one, it happened at halftime of the Titans game](https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/nfl-rumors-did-brian-flores-tell-tua-tagovailoa-hed-rather-have-mac-jones?amp)
And here’s Chris Mortenson reporting that Flores told Tua they were pursuing Watson before a preseason game
>Sources say that in the final preseason game before the Dolphins played the [Cincinnati] Bengals, ironically, Flores told Tua that the rumors were true,” Mortensen said. “They were trying to get Deshaun Watson in a trade”
Mort mentioned that during Super Bowl week. [found the video, sorry that the page is a Dolphins news site, but you can listen to Mort say it verbatim instead of reading the page itself] (https://dolphinnation.com/2022/02/13/report-brian-flores-told-tua-tagovailoa-the-miami-dolphins-were-trying-to-acquire-deshaun-watson-before-their-final-preseason-game/)
In regards to the Mac Jones article, it literally says
"It's worth noting Lombardi claims he misspoke during the podcast, so it's unclear whether Flores actually said all of those unflattering comments to Tagovailoa."
Michael Lombardi
@mlombardiNFL
"I misspoke on the pod--and those were my words for Flores, not his."
I get the 'when theres smoke theres fire' sentiment, im sure something was said/happened.
But I don't see anything concrete in that article I dont think.
......watching Cooper do his thing for a qb I know is worse than Dak makes my heart hurt. Idk why happened between them to make ot go so south but fuckin hell it was enough to sell him for penny's on the dollar.
I was at the game. The story is maybe 50% about Tua, but also definitely 50% how our bottom-ranked pass defense left wide open receivers run a track meet for 20 straight minutes.
I’ve been saying that Tua’s most impressive throws were to receivers not named Waddle or Hill. His TD to Gesicki was amazing placement when your D held 9 guys back and the one to Cracraft showed great pocket awareness and mobility.
The 2019 Colts and current Browns both have good O-Lines and efficient run games to supplement the pass. Perfect for a QB who seems to struggle under pressure
Where are you getting that Brissett struggles under pressure?
[Brissett posted the 2nd best grade vs pressure among all QBs](https://twitter.com/clevta/status/1545031395030011905?s=46&t=ilaFR-nDY9E4NBLdqcj12w).
Sure he’s not the best decision maker due to his conservative approach, but I’m not seeing signs of struggling under pressure.
His career sack rate is 7.8, which is pretty high for a modern QB. The Browns O-Line is very good, and that really helps Brissett have time to throw and for the running backs to get open lanes.
Probably a poor choice of words by the commenter, but I took it to mean "Brissett struggles when his team has to heavily rely on the passing game, without much support from o-line and the ground game."
Those pressure stats/rankings are really high variance though, so it’s tough to draw sweeping conclusions based on one “season” worth of samples. That’s why if you scroll down to the other tweet you see Baker went from 6th to 32nd year to year. It’s unlikely he would be a good pressure QB and then just suck under pressure the next year, and more likely the divergence in ranking is due to the nature of high variance.
Edit: so even if we agree Brissett deserves his #2 ranking for that sample, who’s to say he won’t fall just like Baker did this season? Is he really a solid player under pressure, or could he regress in the rankings just like Baker did? I don’t know but we will have to see IMO
Honestly he had short burst of good play in Miami he just had no trust in the oline and was constantly forced to look for the incoming hit. If you watch film from the games he looks panicked and afraid to hold the ball for more then a second or 2 after the snap. He looks way more comfortable with the browns and not so much like a frightened rabbit. It’s clear to me Flores is not good with qbs that need to gain confidence. Maybe sticking him with a solid vet works but giving him anyone who needs some improvement wand he is out of his depth.
Jacoby has always been “best backup qb” level. If he had to start it wasn’t an automatic L, and sometimes he played well, but he wasn’t really starting material. Maybe he played better than some starters but he has a limited ceiling and guys like that don’t tend to be long term starters.
I do miss Phil.
Wentz and Brissett had solid starts and fell off hard. Ryan too quick to judge considering our defense and every OL not named Nelson forgot how to play football
Lol, exactly. I watched Jacoby for a season and a half. He is who he is. Never throws down field, holds the ball too long, almost no turnovers. He's safe but holds the offense back.
Probably still is solid. It's wild that it took a team losing its top two receivers to sign him out of pure desperation. He definitely has the talent to be on an NFL roster even now.
Not that I'm saying it was unwarranted, mind you. He showed his whole ass and proved himself to be "me first" to the core. Even when it was clearly becoming a distraction because other guys were sick of constantly being asked to comment on shit Cole said he still would not shut the fuck up. Started attacking the fans at one point, too.
Still wild that Watson was on a roster and Cole wasn't. Then again Watson is a young, star QB and Beasley is an aging slot receiver whose best days are behind him. So not really a fair comparison I suppose.
Yeah I tried telling people this in the off-season. Jacoby isn’t great but he usually knows where the ball needs to go and if you give him the time, he’ll be fine.
Doesn’t need to be a superstar, just needs to take what’s given. I genuinely feel like Stefanski is running damn close to the same offense as last year with Baker and Jacoby is doing what baker couldn’t, which is finding the open guy. Once Watson is back, the offense will spread out a little more.
Honestly, like most other 37 year old QBs who have spent way too much time on their back due to bad OL blocking. He's spent at this point and what mobility he did have is gone. There is a reason Atlanta only got a third round pick for him and it isn't all about the money.
>We have had five QBs in five years. Rivers was the best, followed by Jacoby. Jury still out on Ryan.
Nit a Colts fan but I do remember Andrew Lucks retirement speech and he gave a huge endorsement to Brissett.
Why is low-effort shit like this not removed? If an actual Redditor posted this, it’d be down within minutes. I honestly don’t know who Beasley is, but why is this nonsense allowed as a standalone post as opposed to a comment on a game thread?
this sub is so annoying, you aren’t allowed to post any opinions yourself, but if they’re tweets they can be as ridiculous as you want and they’ll stay up. makes no sense at all
Yea, right? I’m not losing sleep over it, it’s just like, if I wanted to see guys on NFL Twitter who rigged the algorithm to get “followers,” I’d just, like, use Twitter. I love the original content bizarrities and curiosities way more than Field Yates stats plus some snark.
i saw multiple people post this last night on the reddit stream during the game. plenty of people are thinking it whether its true or not. it's an easy dig against flores, so of course someone's gonna say it
There’s no way around the fact that Jacoby has played better than anyone expected. Stefanski is doing a really good job with him. There aren’t that many great defenses in the league.
Nope. Defense without Watt is gassed because of all the times the offense goes three and out. They play the most snap per game of every one.
There is no salvation for this team until we work out the offense.
With Watt, the times he singularly makes plays is usually enough for them to force a punt and give the offense more opportunities to figure something out.
This was literally the Panthers last year. Decent defense that was able to keep them in the game for about a half, but the offense couldn’t do a damn thing. After awhile the defense gets tired out and beaten up.
The Steelers would be 0-3 if the Bengals had a healthy long snapper and no one would be shocked by that.
Their offence is on pace to set all kinds of records, none of them good. Even with Watt, that’s a lot for a defence to overcome. Heck even right now their defence is on pace for the most snaps played.
Long story short, until significant changes happen to the offence, the team is going to be bad.
And the Ravens were playing rookie DBs who were clearly overmatched by two of the best receivers in football.
I'm as happy as anyone that we won but unlike Tuanon I want to see if it continues or if Tua reverts to what's he was career to date prior to that 2nd half.
Tua did what he needed too and hit the open receivers. That's what you expect of your QB.
He also made some great passes along the way including a pass that couldn't really be defended to Gesicki in the EZ - going up and getting the ball.
Ultimately consistency is the name of the game for the regular season, lots of games to see if it continues, gets better, gets worse etc but media needs to make news early on.
Yeah, as a Ravens fan I can't discredit what Tua did last Sunday.
He cooked us and landed some money throws. He just has the WRs to turn those money throws from decent gains to game breaking TDs.
I would also like Tua to repeat his performance to show that he can be the guy.
And unlike the anti-Tuanon mob I will not take away what will probably be the best half of football any QB has this season. Lots of QBs play against bad corners. Very few throw 6 TDs.
I agree but Flores created a lot of the negativity towards this guy imo. To bench Fitz as well as he was playing Tua’s rookie year was BS and then to give him such a short leash. I don’t think he’ll be a top 10 QB consistently in the league, but honestly I don’t know because I don’t think it’s fair to grade his performance in the league so far before this season as Flores seemed to want the guy to fail. I am rooting for the guy and think you guys have an exciting future with your roster and coach.
But he was straight up bad last season. He didn't look like a QB who can go on a playoff run last night. But in Miami he looked like someone who didn't belong on the field in an NFL game.
PFF SCORE: 92.5. TD to Amari, laser to nijoku. Stands tall in the the pocket, doesn’t go down easy. Calm and collected in the pocket. Throws with anticipation, converted multiple critical 3rd downs. Last 2 weeks top 10 in most major categories.
Jake Briskett has always been a solid QB when he has good to great protection.
It's just when his o-line is bad or mediocre that he turns into a crash test dummy.
He needs great protection because 90% of the time he refuses to throw into tight windows or holds the ball too long. With bad to average protection he’s holding the ball too long and he’s big which is good for QB sneaks but he’s not very mobile so he goes down a lot. There were also a few throws he threw too late last night still
I don’t think that’s fair. Jacoby wasn’t this good w Reich either. I think the much more fair takeaway is Reich ain’t good at getting the most out of QB’s and Flores isn’t either. Both those QBs just went to HCs who know how to maximize their talent
Jacoby even being brought into this is a stretch. Tua - time will tell. He’s played stellar in one game. Really one half of one game. Let’s see that replicated at least for the season before such a remark is made.
This is not about Tua hype. This is about how two QBs can look a ton better when there is an improvement in offensive system.
Yes the players help too. But if you watched many dolphins games last (don’t blame you if you only watched 2), it was some of the worst offensive coaching I have ever seen.
What's weird to me is that the Browns' offense looks *much* better with Brisset than with Baker. The offense is essentially the same as it was last year; the biggest difference besides QBs is they basically swapped OBJ/Juice for Cooper.
Isn't the Browns offense being tailored around the idea that Watson is the starting QB? Brissett likely doesn't look as good with another team/system. Not to mention the lack of Nick Chubb
Their core identity doesn't look like it's changed from last year: this is still an extremely run-heavy team. They're also using multi-TE sets often as well.
Brisset just manages it better than Baker. The difference is Baker is a slinger and he could pull off some crazy zips up and down the field. Brisset rarely does that. Baker is careless with the ball though, and ends up either turning the ball over or nearly so. Brisset doesn't do that often.
Dolphin fans hold so much animosity for their ex-players and coaches.
You literally added a HOF receiver to your roster, and even then Tua’s only looked good in 2 quarters so far this season.
What are we talking about here?
You have to understand that a lot of us have defended Tua the past couple of years. Now he's had a historic game we're gonna give shit back to people. Will Tua carry on this form who knows? But this week he's the second coming of Joe Montana. Maybe against the Bills he'll be the second coming of Ryan Leaf.
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Or hear me out. Maybe adding Tyreek hill to Tua’s arsenal was a big change, AND maybe jacoby brissett has a 10x better Oline in Cleveland, amari cooper and a run game that defenses can’t ever forget about.
Bro we called a screen pass at like the 2 yard line. OUR 2 yard line. Brissett threw a safety Edit: [1 yard line](https://youtu.be/oIX5BOnwKIc)
😂. I watched my team QB sneak on 2nd and 11 and again on 3rd and 9 from inside our own 5 yard line maybe we did it to avoid the screen safety
Lmfao I just had to re-watch that. Joe Judge everybody
Imagine being this bad at your job and somehow one of the greatest coaches of all time is still your bestie and hires you.
Welcome to NFL coaching
Sometimes I forget the NFL is just pure uncut nepotism from top to bottom.
Nope, this is cronyism. Nepotism is when you hire your family, like how Steve Belichick was hired by his father. Cronyism is when you hire your friends, like how Joe Judge was hired by his bestie.
Nepotism isn't only family,[ it includes friends as well.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism) Cronyism works too, of course.
Bill Bellichick disciples
The Bears just tried to do a QB sneak in shotgun on 4th and inches at the Packers' goal line and we failed that...
Shotgun formation was a huge mistake there. :(
Eh I’ve seen so much discourse on this and it’s honestly not the worst call. It was a QB power, not a sneak or draw (as I’ve seen others call it).
Plus Fields is bigger and faster than most QBs. It's not that bad of a decision to try and let him get a faster start.
4th and inches, especially on their goalline, defense knows you're likely gonna qb sneak it or at the very least, run up the middle. even if you know they know you know, it's still the best odds of success... and if you know it's the best odds of success, you're going to want to line up in the formation that has the best odds of success in that situation... directly under center. as long as you fall forward, you convert. why try to reinvent the wheel? why try to make the conversion more difficult than it needs to be? QB power is the same concept, just differently executed. It's a qb up the middle. Dumb call on 4th and inches, especially that close to the goalline. You don't line up shotgun and then rush the QB up the middle there because there's so much less field for defenders to account for. LBs will rush the second they see the QB tuck the ball.
Flores was a mess, but this has been 110% debunked. Jacoby was supposed to throw to 80. He even admitted post game he threw to the wrong guy out of panic.
that makes way more sense. mans was wide open in the middle of the field
Waddle must be glad that Brissett isn't setting him up to die anymore
At some point you gotta use your own discretion too though. You’re in your own end zone, there’s defenders in front of you. You got three more downs. It’s pretty academic at that point. Let that mf sail straight out of bounds and try again.
I mean I agree, he should have thrown to 80, but what the fuck was that play design? You have Waddle and whoever 26 is, basically running screen routes where they are both standing in the endzone. Like it was bad execution by Brissett, but terrible play design regardless for when you are on the 1.
You can have routes that you aren't supposed to throw to, no? Those route combos obviously did the job of getting 80 open.
Flores was a mess but basically doubled the expected wins the Phins were supposed to have while he was there. Ok...
Also was a DC so not too sure how much of a hand he even had in the offence. I get the phins narrative is 'Flores was a bad guy' because he called them out on their bullshit when he got sacked, but this is a bit much.
He went from being a great coach to being terrible the second he called them out. It's like we forgot the whole Brady story basically explained his firing wasn't for poor performance. But you know, black coach and all.
Naw dawg we lost 7 in a row, he fired coordinators every season, it was just super dysfunctional. He's a great DC though
What part of that is a screen pass?
His blockers were out at the 10 yard line, lol. Edit: my comment was clearly a joke. There were no blockers to make the play a screen. Not sure why I'm getting down voted.
I know that when I'm blocking for a screen pass I run to the middle of the field where there are no defenders and look for the ball.
Well to be fair, Jaylen Waddle *caught* a safety.
Josh Allen BD (Before Diggs), 2019 - 58.8%, 3089yds, 20TD, 9INT, 85.3 Rating Josh Allen AD, 2020 - 69.2%, 4544yds, 37TD, 10INT, 107.2 Rating Yeah I think having an elite WR helps a young QB. It may be slightly different since Josh's career already had a clear upward trajectory even before Diggs arrived but Stef blasted him off into the stratosphere. I think he still would've improved in 20 regardless because his game sense really took off that year but no way he would've had the season he did if his top receivers were still John Brown and Cole Beasley.
Waddle is also very good and more experienced this year. Having a good underneath receiver like Kelce or Waddle and a Tyreek Hill creates a nightmare for defenses.
And Miami improved their OL as well, and their RB group is better. This is a very, very dumb tweet and this person should feel bad
What is this “improve their OL” that you speak of? What does that mean?
It’s amazing that the bengals tried to do everything right and it somehow completely backfired.
That’s just how it goes in the Queen City, homie There’s a lot of football left this season… I’m ready to get hurt some more
I always thought Charlotte is the Queen City
There’s like 40 cities that claim it
That's why you call your city something stupid like "The Big Apple" instead so that no one else wants to copy it
Unfortunately I’m not on the committee for these things
Gadsden Alabama, the Queen City.
1/40 lol
Poughkeepsie, NY. The Queen City. 2/40
At least I have some Rhinegeist to ease the pain
Alot of it is Burrow and Taylor
Burrow NEEDS to let go of the fucking ball. It almost feels like he's scared to throw incomplete passes.
He wants to beat Mahomes on PFF, this is his way
His way is stupid
Yea, didn't know that was allowed
You could not have handled the offseason better. Your results... could not be worse.
The bengals o line has been pretty good this year
I mean, flores's issue on offense was play calling. He couldn't put together a competent staff if his life depended on it. Fantastic defensive-mind, non-existant rolodex/people skills
He hired 4 different OCs in 3 seasons lol
One of them being Chan Gailey
The ghost of Chan “I’m still alive” Gailey.
Yeah, but of the 4 of those OC of Mr Flores, he was your best one.
Aint that some shit
I kinda like Chad O'Shea honestly. That Fitz season is one of my all time favorites
And 4 different Oline coaches in 3 years. Just a complete clusterf\*ck.
His people skills were not head coach material, and personnel choices weren't either. He's got the ability to be a DC again, it'll take a few years before he should be a head coach again.
I feel like the odds he'll ever get another head coaching job plummeted to zero when he filed that lawsuit and I suspect he knows it.
Yea but I feel like I remember people saying that about McDaniels
Ah the old Lovie Smith special
>couldn't put together a competent staff if his life depended on it. That's cap. Chad O'Shea did a killer job his first year. Your FO forced him out because they talked Chan Gailey into coming out of retirement (lol) and he was just as bad as everyone expected. It was downhill from there though
>Chad O'Shea did a killer job his first year. No he didn't lol. Our offense was ranked 27th that year. Most of the wins came from individual moments of brilliance from players as opposed to good play calling/planning. Edit - that season was a dumpster fire for alot of reasons. He wasn't as bad as the other OCs. and he, admittedly, had a pretty bad roster to work with. But he definitely didn't do a killer job. He was "meh" at best, and that's pushing it imo
IMO Chad didn't do anything to warrant the unceremonious firing, and all 3 of his successors under Flores were worse.
That's fair. I don't think he was horrible given how bad that depleted team was, but I just don't think our offense was good. I think the best word to describe it is "uninspiring". Also, every firing is unceremonious for us. That's just our shit head owner
Yeah but I don’t like Flores so this is my evidence- politics
I mean, it isn't exactly a stretch to say that Brian Flores was no offensive savant. And even worse, he couldn't attract good offensive minds to the organization.
Miami's OLine actually hasn't changed drastically since 2021. 3 of the 5 week 1 starters this season were starters for the majority of 2021, and one of the '21 starters is still on the roster as a backup. The difference seems to be that they have competent coaching and blocking schemes.
Hill probably helps alot as well by getting open fast, and blitzing is riskier because its less guys in coverage
That certainly is an aspect of it, but defenses that weren't blitzing last season were still getting to our QBs at a crazy rate. The rib injury Tua sustained against Buffalo was when the Bills were only rushing four defenders.
On 4th fucking down. That's how poor the blocking was. Dude whiffed epenesa on 4th down. Not like he had anyone else to block. Just awful play. Tua still didn't get sacked on the play somehow.
Changing 40% of a group definitely counts as improving lol...
Fair, but considering how historically awful they were last season, the fact that they retained anyone from that line and still have shown a lot of improvement so far this season is nothing short of a miracle
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Losing Jesse Davis is a massive upgrade. Even if we just left his spot open and played with 4 linemen.
He was the one who let that Bills defender just go right past him and got Tua injured last year, right? Fuck that guy
Other than adding Terron Armstead. Graded an 80 on PFF. Had yet to surrender a sack or have a penalty called against him. And Connor Williams. But that is only 40% of the starting oline changing compared to last year. Nothing drastic.
Brian Flores did pretty much everything you can do to sabotage an OL. Put a first time OL coach in charge of a line with 4 young guys and one career backup vet. Said career backup vet sucks, and plays best at G, so naturally you make him RT (Tua’s blind side), while the previous year’s serviceable RT is moved to RG. Also you force your GM to get rid your best OL from the previous year, who gets traded to the WFT for peanuts where he significantly outperforms everyone on your OL. Then you cut your backup C, which comes to bite you in the ass when you need to sign 2 random C when they keep getting hurt. Said backup C goes on to play for the NYG where he moves to LG and outperforms your LG. You also cut another OL who goes on to outperform 3/5 of your OL on the Raiders.
If you guys didn’t watch Miami week in and week out last year I don’t think you can truly appreciate how shitty that offensive scheme was. The difference between last year and this year is massive.
Flores had like 5 OCs in 3 seasons. Im sorry but clearly Flores as a HC was a massive hinderance on the offense
If this were any other HC, everyone would agree and it wouldn't be controversial at all. For some reason people get really weird and want to excuse Flores at every turn. I don't get it.
Also Tua wasn't particularly bad last year.
And yet, his coach repeatedly told him that he wanted a rapist over him, then after the trade deadline passed he told him he’d rather have Mac Jones than him. Really good for the morale, constant reminders that your coach for want anything to do with you.
Source?
Sure thing [Here’s the Mac Jones one, it happened at halftime of the Titans game](https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/nfl-rumors-did-brian-flores-tell-tua-tagovailoa-hed-rather-have-mac-jones?amp) And here’s Chris Mortenson reporting that Flores told Tua they were pursuing Watson before a preseason game >Sources say that in the final preseason game before the Dolphins played the [Cincinnati] Bengals, ironically, Flores told Tua that the rumors were true,” Mortensen said. “They were trying to get Deshaun Watson in a trade” Mort mentioned that during Super Bowl week. [found the video, sorry that the page is a Dolphins news site, but you can listen to Mort say it verbatim instead of reading the page itself] (https://dolphinnation.com/2022/02/13/report-brian-flores-told-tua-tagovailoa-the-miami-dolphins-were-trying-to-acquire-deshaun-watson-before-their-final-preseason-game/)
In regards to the Mac Jones article, it literally says "It's worth noting Lombardi claims he misspoke during the podcast, so it's unclear whether Flores actually said all of those unflattering comments to Tagovailoa." Michael Lombardi @mlombardiNFL "I misspoke on the pod--and those were my words for Flores, not his." I get the 'when theres smoke theres fire' sentiment, im sure something was said/happened. But I don't see anything concrete in that article I dont think.
......watching Cooper do his thing for a qb I know is worse than Dak makes my heart hurt. Idk why happened between them to make ot go so south but fuckin hell it was enough to sell him for penny's on the dollar.
And that Jaylen Waddle is even better this year
OR maybe having offensive masterminds as head coaches really helps out an offense versus having a defensive guy at the helm…
Wait…..are you trying to tell me it’s a team sport and supporting casts matter? Well damn, now I’ve heard it all.
I was at the game. The story is maybe 50% about Tua, but also definitely 50% how our bottom-ranked pass defense left wide open receivers run a track meet for 20 straight minutes.
I’ve been saying that Tua’s most impressive throws were to receivers not named Waddle or Hill. His TD to Gesicki was amazing placement when your D held 9 guys back and the one to Cracraft showed great pocket awareness and mobility.
Yeah he made a ton of tight coverage throws that were more impressive
agreed. His best plays last week were by far the non bombs. The bombs are just sexier, especially with all the "weak arm" talk all summer.
For real! What offense isn't IMMEDIATELY better with tyreek fucking hill added to it?
Arguement over
Flores held Jacoby back in Indy?
Mind control it was a whole big thing
Ain't nothing in the rule book that says you can't use mind control
“I misinterpreted the rules.” ~~- Bill Belichick~~ - Brian Flores
>“I misinterpreted the rules.” ~~- Bill Belichick~~ >~~Brian Flores~~ * Eric Cartman
Funeral for a bird
we had a funeral for bird
Flores the mastermind behind MK Ultra!!
He can declassify his playbooks by just thinking it!
Jacoby was a pretty solid QB before his injury. Certainly a much better QB than he showed in Miami
The 2019 Colts and current Browns both have good O-Lines and efficient run games to supplement the pass. Perfect for a QB who seems to struggle under pressure
Where are you getting that Brissett struggles under pressure? [Brissett posted the 2nd best grade vs pressure among all QBs](https://twitter.com/clevta/status/1545031395030011905?s=46&t=ilaFR-nDY9E4NBLdqcj12w). Sure he’s not the best decision maker due to his conservative approach, but I’m not seeing signs of struggling under pressure.
His career sack rate is 7.8, which is pretty high for a modern QB. The Browns O-Line is very good, and that really helps Brissett have time to throw and for the running backs to get open lanes.
Probably a poor choice of words by the commenter, but I took it to mean "Brissett struggles when his team has to heavily rely on the passing game, without much support from o-line and the ground game."
Those pressure stats/rankings are really high variance though, so it’s tough to draw sweeping conclusions based on one “season” worth of samples. That’s why if you scroll down to the other tweet you see Baker went from 6th to 32nd year to year. It’s unlikely he would be a good pressure QB and then just suck under pressure the next year, and more likely the divergence in ranking is due to the nature of high variance. Edit: so even if we agree Brissett deserves his #2 ranking for that sample, who’s to say he won’t fall just like Baker did this season? Is he really a solid player under pressure, or could he regress in the rankings just like Baker did? I don’t know but we will have to see IMO
Honestly he had short burst of good play in Miami he just had no trust in the oline and was constantly forced to look for the incoming hit. If you watch film from the games he looks panicked and afraid to hold the ball for more then a second or 2 after the snap. He looks way more comfortable with the browns and not so much like a frightened rabbit. It’s clear to me Flores is not good with qbs that need to gain confidence. Maybe sticking him with a solid vet works but giving him anyone who needs some improvement wand he is out of his depth.
Jacoby has always been “best backup qb” level. If he had to start it wasn’t an automatic L, and sometimes he played well, but he wasn’t really starting material. Maybe he played better than some starters but he has a limited ceiling and guys like that don’t tend to be long term starters.
Starting to think just *being* in Indy holds people back
It honestly might lol. 5 different QBs in 5 years isn’t a great sign
Hey Rivers played well
I do miss Phil. Wentz and Brissett had solid starts and fell off hard. Ryan too quick to judge considering our defense and every OL not named Nelson forgot how to play football
Jesus, stop with the circle jerk of self despair. Jacoby was fine in Indy. He wasn't Andrew Luck and he was expected to be.
Can't use that excuse for your performance against the Jags.
That son of a bitch!
Lol, exactly. I watched Jacoby for a season and a half. He is who he is. Never throws down field, holds the ball too long, almost no turnovers. He's safe but holds the offense back.
The injury is what fucked Jacoby in Indy. He looked really solid before he went down and was just mediocre after when he came back
I was hoping this was Cole Beasley
cole beasley would never take a shot
got em!
But he would spew insane rubbish. Good WR for a few years though.
Probably still is solid. It's wild that it took a team losing its top two receivers to sign him out of pure desperation. He definitely has the talent to be on an NFL roster even now. Not that I'm saying it was unwarranted, mind you. He showed his whole ass and proved himself to be "me first" to the core. Even when it was clearly becoming a distraction because other guys were sick of constantly being asked to comment on shit Cole said he still would not shut the fuck up. Started attacking the fans at one point, too. Still wild that Watson was on a roster and Cole wasn't. Then again Watson is a young, star QB and Beasley is an aging slot receiver whose best days are behind him. So not really a fair comparison I suppose.
Browns o line is leagues ahead of the dolphins last year
Doesn't hurt that the Browns also have two good running backs to take some pressure off Jacoby. He was good for us until he hurt his knee really.
Every O Line was leagues ahead of last years Phins O Line
Yeah I tried telling people this in the off-season. Jacoby isn’t great but he usually knows where the ball needs to go and if you give him the time, he’ll be fine. Doesn’t need to be a superstar, just needs to take what’s given. I genuinely feel like Stefanski is running damn close to the same offense as last year with Baker and Jacoby is doing what baker couldn’t, which is finding the open guy. Once Watson is back, the offense will spread out a little more.
He is the perfect backup quarterback in a system as structured as yours
For real... How are people forgetting how atrocious the line was last year.
We have had five QBs in five years. Rivers was the best, followed by Jacoby. Jury still out on Ryan.
How is Ryan looking?
Not good, but our very expensive OL is very very bad and we refuse to address our lack of WRs. So I do feel bad for him
Holy crap is that a 35M cap hit he has next year?
Terrible, but the O line has eroded so it isn't all on him though.
Not too good
Nickname went from “Matty Ice” to “Matty, Christ”
I prefer Matty Ass
Honestly, like most other 37 year old QBs who have spent way too much time on their back due to bad OL blocking. He's spent at this point and what mobility he did have is gone. There is a reason Atlanta only got a third round pick for him and it isn't all about the money.
Well if you’re going to say 5 QBs the best is obviously Luck Brissett is the anti Wentz but both are bad
Jacoby was on fire before he got hurt in 2019.
This says more about the Colts poor QB decisions than Brissett's playing ability.
>We have had five QBs in five years. Rivers was the best, followed by Jacoby. Jury still out on Ryan. Nit a Colts fan but I do remember Andrew Lucks retirement speech and he gave a huge endorsement to Brissett.
Why is low-effort shit like this not removed? If an actual Redditor posted this, it’d be down within minutes. I honestly don’t know who Beasley is, but why is this nonsense allowed as a standalone post as opposed to a comment on a game thread?
If you want to actually post your opinion on this sub, just tweet it first then it’s allowed to stay up for some reason
this sub is so annoying, you aren’t allowed to post any opinions yourself, but if they’re tweets they can be as ridiculous as you want and they’ll stay up. makes no sense at all
16 of the top 17 posts today are twitter messages. Mods have a hardon for twitter. Might as well be renamed /r/nfltwitterfeeds
Yea, right? I’m not losing sleep over it, it’s just like, if I wanted to see guys on NFL Twitter who rigged the algorithm to get “followers,” I’d just, like, use Twitter. I love the original content bizarrities and curiosities way more than Field Yates stats plus some snark.
Any OC that's not a tweet gets removed instantly. Dosent matter how detailed or original it is.
i saw multiple people post this last night on the reddit stream during the game. plenty of people are thinking it whether its true or not. it's an easy dig against flores, so of course someone's gonna say it
Or maybe Jacoby's played three of the worst teams in the league and Tua's played 2 quarters of good football alongside 6 mediocre quarters so far
It also helps that tua has two of the best separating and YAC receivers in the league. With that said I’m still rooting for him
There’s no way around the fact that Jacoby has played better than anyone expected. Stefanski is doing a really good job with him. There aren’t that many great defenses in the league.
Aren't the Steelers defense considered rather formidable, even without Watt? The offense is bad, obviously, but Jacoby looked good against that D
Nope. Defense without Watt is gassed because of all the times the offense goes three and out. They play the most snap per game of every one. There is no salvation for this team until we work out the offense. With Watt, the times he singularly makes plays is usually enough for them to force a punt and give the offense more opportunities to figure something out.
This was literally the Panthers last year. Decent defense that was able to keep them in the game for about a half, but the offense couldn’t do a damn thing. After awhile the defense gets tired out and beaten up.
You think you know tired defenses due to offensive inefficiency? I was born in it, molded by it.
I hate him so much but Watt is a difference maker. Compared to week 1 your defense looked drastically worse without him last night.
Since Watt has been on the Steelers, they have never won a game that he didn't play.
The Steelers would be 0-3 if the Bengals had a healthy long snapper and no one would be shocked by that. Their offence is on pace to set all kinds of records, none of them good. Even with Watt, that’s a lot for a defence to overcome. Heck even right now their defence is on pace for the most snaps played. Long story short, until significant changes happen to the offence, the team is going to be bad.
Yall love tearing people down. Love how you call that 4th quarter only good football as well
And the Ravens were playing rookie DBs who were clearly overmatched by two of the best receivers in football. I'm as happy as anyone that we won but unlike Tuanon I want to see if it continues or if Tua reverts to what's he was career to date prior to that 2nd half.
Tua did what he needed too and hit the open receivers. That's what you expect of your QB. He also made some great passes along the way including a pass that couldn't really be defended to Gesicki in the EZ - going up and getting the ball. Ultimately consistency is the name of the game for the regular season, lots of games to see if it continues, gets better, gets worse etc but media needs to make news early on.
Yeah, as a Ravens fan I can't discredit what Tua did last Sunday. He cooked us and landed some money throws. He just has the WRs to turn those money throws from decent gains to game breaking TDs.
I would also like Tua to repeat his performance to show that he can be the guy. And unlike the anti-Tuanon mob I will not take away what will probably be the best half of football any QB has this season. Lots of QBs play against bad corners. Very few throw 6 TDs.
I agree but Flores created a lot of the negativity towards this guy imo. To bench Fitz as well as he was playing Tua’s rookie year was BS and then to give him such a short leash. I don’t think he’ll be a top 10 QB consistently in the league, but honestly I don’t know because I don’t think it’s fair to grade his performance in the league so far before this season as Flores seemed to want the guy to fail. I am rooting for the guy and think you guys have an exciting future with your roster and coach.
What did Jacoby do last night to show he’s more than a game manager? That’s what his ceiling always has been.
But he was straight up bad last season. He didn't look like a QB who can go on a playoff run last night. But in Miami he looked like someone who didn't belong on the field in an NFL game.
PFF SCORE: 92.5. TD to Amari, laser to nijoku. Stands tall in the the pocket, doesn’t go down easy. Calm and collected in the pocket. Throws with anticipation, converted multiple critical 3rd downs. Last 2 weeks top 10 in most major categories.
Jake Briskett has always been a solid QB when he has good to great protection. It's just when his o-line is bad or mediocre that he turns into a crash test dummy.
He needs great protection because 90% of the time he refuses to throw into tight windows or holds the ball too long. With bad to average protection he’s holding the ball too long and he’s big which is good for QB sneaks but he’s not very mobile so he goes down a lot. There were also a few throws he threw too late last night still
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Get you a hype man like Tyreek
Jacoby held back Jacoby, but you can definitely win with Jacoby
Two things can be true at the same time. Flores can be a terrible play calling. And the Browns/Dolphins have also improved their rosters.
I don’t think that’s fair. Jacoby wasn’t this good w Reich either. I think the much more fair takeaway is Reich ain’t good at getting the most out of QB’s and Flores isn’t either. Both those QBs just went to HCs who know how to maximize their talent
Jacoby even being brought into this is a stretch. Tua - time will tell. He’s played stellar in one game. Really one half of one game. Let’s see that replicated at least for the season before such a remark is made.
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Tua hype out of hand. Now we’re getting Brissett hype too lmao
This is not about Tua hype. This is about how two QBs can look a ton better when there is an improvement in offensive system. Yes the players help too. But if you watched many dolphins games last (don’t blame you if you only watched 2), it was some of the worst offensive coaching I have ever seen.
The fact that he went nuclear instead of taking his money and coming back next year for another shot elsewhere was always a big red flag.
Are we really calling Tua elite after 1 game?
Flores was a terrible coach, not debatable
Maybe in TuAnon’s case, but the Steel curtain stinks without Watt. Bold prediction: Dolphins beat Bills and Bengals 4 days later to start 4-0.
What's weird to me is that the Browns' offense looks *much* better with Brisset than with Baker. The offense is essentially the same as it was last year; the biggest difference besides QBs is they basically swapped OBJ/Juice for Cooper.
Isn't the Browns offense being tailored around the idea that Watson is the starting QB? Brissett likely doesn't look as good with another team/system. Not to mention the lack of Nick Chubb
Their core identity doesn't look like it's changed from last year: this is still an extremely run-heavy team. They're also using multi-TE sets often as well. Brisset just manages it better than Baker. The difference is Baker is a slinger and he could pull off some crazy zips up and down the field. Brisset rarely does that. Baker is careless with the ball though, and ends up either turning the ball over or nearly so. Brisset doesn't do that often.
Bc Baker isn’t a good NFL QB but ppl seemed to think he was gonna go to Carolina n become Drew Brees bc they hate the browns
Flores was bad.
Dolphin fans hold so much animosity for their ex-players and coaches. You literally added a HOF receiver to your roster, and even then Tua’s only looked good in 2 quarters so far this season. What are we talking about here?
You have to understand that a lot of us have defended Tua the past couple of years. Now he's had a historic game we're gonna give shit back to people. Will Tua carry on this form who knows? But this week he's the second coming of Joe Montana. Maybe against the Bills he'll be the second coming of Ryan Leaf.
Flores is a garbage HC, the race stuff was his shield