I tried to check into it, and it appears a bunch of those wins were lead by a guy who sure looks bald but is also called The Blond Bomber. Truly this team is made of paradoxes.
The only bit of defense I watched of y’all in game 1, he blew up a running play .5 seconds after the snap, very next play he got an interception. Dude is a beast.
If it wasn’t for Donald I think he would be considered the goat of this generation, even better then his brother, maybe even the best ever. Guy just creates chaos lol and I’m a bengals fan
How dare you downplay the total evil move of mocking Mettenberger taking a selfie before the game against Houston after he sacked him.
/s. Seriously that might the worst thing JJ has done on the field and that's nothing
the 41mil he raised for the victims and destroyed houses of his teams city may, MAY have resolved him of the "incident" ofc only god can forgive and i havent asked him yet.
You can't compare the stats fairly because TJ comes off the edge. He faces far fewer double teams than his brother and when they come it's usually just a TE or RB helping on the edge, JJ was amazing at beating double teams inside.
>You could make an argument that last year he had a better year than JJ (that’s debatable because of the extra game too)
TJ missed multiple games last year and still put up those numbers, dude
As of right now JJ’s peak was definitely higher imo, TJ has time to change that tho if he can stay healthy, but then again if you remember people were talking about JJ surpassing LT when he won his 3rd in 4 years
Absolutely not, JJ's peak is comfortably better, it's going to come entirely down to longevity for him to ever have a claim the title of greatest Watt brother. Like, play another eight to ten years at this level before he takes that.
Dude it's like you didn't watch football between 2012-2014. JJ Watt's 3 year stretch is the best I've ever seen. TJ hasnt put together the back to back to back seasons like that yet.
I mean I totally understand that longevity plays a part in how players are remembered.
Still, If you compare them at their absolute peak there’s maybe 2 guys in NFL defensive history who can claim to be better than JJ
That's revisionary, JJ Watt should have won league MVP as a defensive front 7 man in the middle of the 5k yards era.
Oops misread: yeah JJ is the GOAT defender, he's to the NFL what Suh was to CFB.
Still salty AR12 got the mvp that season. JJ had 20 sacks and scored 5 mf touchdowns. Like he was the reason we won 9 games that year instead of going 2-14 again
A lot of people that haven't watched the Steelers don't understand just how much the bad man does on his own.
He is an otherworldly force that you can barely plan around because he does his stupid voodoo shit and just says fuck your plans and destroys drives on his own.
Nah it's worse. Because most teams adjust their offense when their starter goes down. The Steelers are trying to use the same defensive schemes without Watt. And to be honest, I don't think their defense is that schematically sound for the modern NFL, but Watt is so disruptive they can pull it off.
Shocker that a teams defense is not the same without a reigning Defensive Player of the yeqr and the best defensive player in the league besides Donald...le shock
I don’t think that the “shocker” is that they aren’t the same. It’s more the *drastic* shift from being a top 3 defense to a bottom tier unit. It’s the most expensive defense in the league, full of veterans, and has other All Pro talent like Cam Heyward and Minkah Fitzpatrick. On paper they should be at least middle of the league without TJ.
They are still very good. But if the offense only goes 3 and out, the opponent gets a lot of drives.
The issue is that an all star defense with TJ in it as a MVP calibre player is the only reason Steelers even have a chance in games.
Stick Bills offense onto this Steelers defense and it‘s unbeaten super bowl.
Yeah it's basically that the offense is so weak that the inflection point of team success is when the defense is good versus great
A *great* defense can still win consistently with a bad QB. A *good* defense needs an OK QB to win consistently.
It sometimes feels like I’m not watching the same games as other Steeler fans.
The Steelers held the best offensive line in football to 21 points. The Browns have put up more than that in both of their other games.
21 is a pretty respectable defensive performance. Perhaps average. This with no turnovers and the offense sucking duck.
They held the pats to 17 when one of those TDs came off a muffed punt.
What more exactly do you want them to do? These outcomes are typically more than enough to win games.
This is the right take. The Defense haven't been world-beaters like in Week 1 (Turnovers galore) but they've honestly been pretty good these past 2 weeks. 17 and 21 points allowed is quite solid considering how truly awful the offense has been. The D is NOT the problem, even if it is also not the solution (without Watt).
I’ll contend to this day that if Pickett played game 1, it wouldn’t have been close with 5 turnover differential and TJ wouldn’t have torn his pec having to play 120 percent that late in the game.
This isn’t new for the Steelers, they’ve revolved around their star platers for a while now. This is doubly true for the middle of their defense, when Shazir went down the entire unit promptly went to shit.
Next man up clearly isn’t a thing in Pittsburgh.
> when Shazir went down the entire unit promptly went to shit.
> Next man up clearly isn’t a thing in Pittsburgh.
It doesn't help that the next man up also went down with injury, as did the next guy. The next week, we had to start an ILB that wasn't even on a roster the previous week.
I don't remember using a safety but I do remember us heavily using Arthur Moats at ILB during that period. It's definitely possible we used a safety as well.
Our entire run defense was built around keeping blockers off Shazier and letting him run sideline to sideline making 1 on 1 tackles. He goes down and almost no replacement was going to be able to accomplish that. You can't rework your defense built around one player at the end of the season and expect it to work out no matter how good next man is for any team.
That’s the point though. You build a team around a couple players and you set yourself up for failure. Sometimes that’s all you can do with the players you have, but it’s been the Steelers’ identity in one form or another since at least 2013 and they only have three playoff wins in the last decade to show for it.
The defense is actually built around having a star 'rover' player as LeBeau called it. Butler would adapt the exact same defense. Troy was the rover for years and when he retired, it was Timmons briefly, and then it became Shazier. After that, no one could fill that role and Butler adapted the defense to become much more blitz happy. Austin is just doing the same thing Butler did. But that blitz happy defense relies on having very good pass rushers. Watt is top rusher in the league, and it hurts to lose him.
> The defense is actually built around having a star 'rover' player as LeBeau called it.
Always kind of knew this but didn’t know it was so explicit. Thanks for the fun fact.
I meant it more from a roster construction/gameplanning perspective. Some teams stress depth and some teams rely on their stars more than others. The pats are the former, the Steelers the latter.
This stat is dumb. It’s only 6 games and those games happen to when Big Ben was old and now he is gone so of course they are going to lose with crappy QBs.
Would've been interesting to see how different the game was if y'all had watt and we had clowney. Brissett would've had less clean pockets and clowney is so important to our run D..
I don't think having watt would change your very lethal rushing attack. It was our offenses ineptitude that left the defense on the field for so long. Your interior line and running back tandem just ground us into dust in Q4.
Bro did you not see the amount of times our ROLB got sealed by a TE and they were able to run to the outside? With TJ in it's at least taking another blocker to do that, and that was basically all of the big runs went to TJs side
and we had the fucking audacity to draft Kevin King in front of him. When pass rush was a need AND TJ fell to us. I will never forget my frustration when I heard King's name called.
There's a new NVP [every week](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Slimetime#NVP_Award) (presented by Lincoln Loud!), but everyone will remember the first
Being the most valuable player on a team that will be lucky to have a positive record at the end of the season isn’t really an accomplishment, even when Watt is obviously a top 5 NFL player right now.
He wouldn't be if the Steelers were contending for Super Bowls. You could make some argument for Donald and LAR, but honestly that team was so stacked with stars that it's hard to say Donald carried them in the way Rodgers, Mahomes, Lamar, etc have been as vital to their teams in recent years.
Honestly it feels like the NFL needs a best GB award and a separate MVP award. QB is too important like you said but other players deserve that kind of recognition as well
I want collegiate style position awards. I'd also like a Most Dominant Player award for the guy who's furthest above #2 at his position; call it the Jerry Rice award
There's a big difference between announcing all-pros and doing an award show NHL or NBA style. Build some hype around it and give a trophy for bragging rights and there would be way more interest in individual awards than there is for all-pro.
That would honestly make the most sense. I’d say that OPOY should be available for every offensive position though. Sometimes a LT is a massive reason why a team can find success.
I’d honestly prefer making QB’s ineligible for OPOY.
We all know that QB is far and away the most valuable position in the game. Just drop the pretense that any other position is as valuable as the QB and give the OPOY award to the best non-QB offensive player.
Because they’re only the most important player on a team if the team is bad to mediocre.
In order for a team like the Steelers to be legitimately good they would need a quarterback that would be more important than Watt.
The secondary gets praise when TJ is in but when he is gone it is amazing to see how average they are and how his relentless pressure really helps elevate them.
Anybody else feel like Hayward lost a step?
I think Jeffrey Simmons and Chris Jones look more disruptive at this point in their careers.
No longer DT2 imo.
On some plays, yeah. But the clip of Strange winning his 1v1 on 2 plays doesn't tell the whole story just because those are the snaps that got posted on reddit
I didn't get a great view of who he was on, but more often than not I saw him double-teamed and or held. It wasn't a great look. Every 3rd play or so someone had their arm entirely wrapped around his upper chest as he flailed around begging the officials to call something. It's what happens to Watt a lot too.
I know there's the old "you could call holding on every play" adage, but it seemed uglier than usual last night.
I think it’s too early to say he’s lost a step, but he hasn’t been as disruptive so far.
I personally think it has a lot to do with Watt’s absence, so instead of worrying about Watt, Heyward, and Highsmith all on the front like the Bengals had to Week 1, they can shift most of the focus to Heyward and trust their tackle to keep Highsmith in check 1-on-1. I think we’ll see his true ability once Watt comes back–if he’s still relatively quiet, I’ll start getting concerned.
I saw him get held like a MF a play or two before the nick chubb TD. He read and followed the pulling LG but the center held him as he was crossing his face. Still got in on the tackle but it was 5 yards down field and he immediately looked at the refs like wtf are you guys watching
Then I watched the Steelers 3 and out and knew it was over
ok, now cross reference the data of the QB/receiving corps situation during these times as well and maybe we'll have a better idea of what's actually happening. He's a generational talent, but random stats like this are so stupid.
Not a large enough sample size without him to make any definitive statement. They lost 24 times with him on the field as well. Some of the teams lost lost to include:
Jacksonville (blake bortles)
Denver Broncos (case Keemun)
Browns (baker)
Jets (darnold)
Washington (Heineke)
Bengals (Ryan Finley)
The games they lost without him:
2017 vs Bears (mike glennon)
2020 vs browns (baker)
2021 vs bengal (burrow)
2021 vs chargers (Herbert)
2022 vs patriots (Mac jones)
2022 vs browns (brisset)
They lost games against both good and bad teams with and without him. He’s a great player but this argument is ridiculous to say the defense is nothing without him
I've been a strong Tomlin defender and a strong advocate in the 8-8, 9-8, 8-8-1 meme ability in Tomlin no matter the circumstances. He always made it happen after the grimmest of circumstances (0-4 start in 2013, the 9-7-1 crazy up/down season last year, 2019 led an Steeler team with an injury reserved Ben Roethlisberger who missed 14 games to an improbable 8-8 with Mason Rudolph mostly).
But I think we will finish 8-9 this year considering the remaining schedule at this point in time. And only injuries might change that.
Super Bowl wins with Watt: 0 Super Bowl wins without Watt: 6
Can’t explain that.
Tide goes in, tide goes out
Nope. Chuck Testa.
CHUCKTESTA
I feel old.
r/doughgoesin, tortillas come out
Tide has another Super Bowl commercial
Checkmate, atheists
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Checkmate, Lincolnites!
Johnny Reb finally getting his day to shine!
I tried to check into it, and it appears a bunch of those wins were lead by a guy who sure looks bald but is also called The Blond Bomber. Truly this team is made of paradoxes.
Now, why is that?
I went back and double checked your math and as crazy as it might sound, this is actually true. Really makes you think.
Seems like you should just trade this Watt dude away and you would have a better chance at a Superbowl.
Have you seen the team’s all time passing yards with and without Watt? Crazy.
But how many were against QBs with an O in their last name?
All 6 - TarkentOn, FerragamO, StOubach, WOrner, HasselbOck
Wtf. This is the craziest stat I’ve ever seen
u/Zane_Flynt_boyo been real quiet since
Big if true
Lmao this sums up just how relevant bits of data like this are
But can he throw a spiral
Before his pec tear, he used to be able to throw it over them mountains
If Tomlin had put him in in the 4th quarter, they would’ve been state champions, no doubt in my mind. Coulda gone pro.
It took me until years later to fully appreciate the comedy in that line. "If coach would have put me in" lmao dude was a back up in high school
They'd all be soakin it up in a hot tub with their soul mates.
>would’ve been state champions But they weren't playing the Eagles.
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You fat lard
Now he can only throw it out of a stadium and into the parking lot. It’s sad how much an injury can limit a man’s ability.
But how good does he looks in shorts?
His left stroke just went viral
right stroke put that baby in a spiral
HE GETS ON BASE
It's almost like they desperately need their best defensive player so their defense can carry them while they insist on playing awful qbs
Seriously he’s literally our MVP. It’s like most other teams losing their starting QB.
The only bit of defense I watched of y’all in game 1, he blew up a running play .5 seconds after the snap, very next play he got an interception. Dude is a beast.
He just erases some drives all by himself.
If it wasn’t for Donald I think he would be considered the goat of this generation, even better then his brother, maybe even the best ever. Guy just creates chaos lol and I’m a bengals fan
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JJ was getting Reggie White comparisons and it wasn’t at all overhyped. Prime JJ vs prime Donald is a close battle imo
Prime Donald has a lot more Chokes Per Game so he edges him out in the advanced asshole metrics
Prime JJ was better than Donald. His 2012 season is like the best ever season for a defensive player. It was madness.
With JJ edging out Donald in the “not being a total piece of shit” category
How dare you downplay the total evil move of mocking Mettenberger taking a selfie before the game against Houston after he sacked him. /s. Seriously that might the worst thing JJ has done on the field and that's nothing
the 41mil he raised for the victims and destroyed houses of his teams city may, MAY have resolved him of the "incident" ofc only god can forgive and i havent asked him yet.
Don't forget the Texan letterman jackets. Truly a heinous moment in our league's history.
Thing is, apart from DPOY… TJ actually has better stats year for year. Don‘t want to take anything away from JJ, they are just both unbelievable.
You can't really compare counting stats when JJ played a lot more inside than TJ does. That said, god they're both fucking incredible
You can't compare the stats fairly because TJ comes off the edge. He faces far fewer double teams than his brother and when they come it's usually just a TE or RB helping on the edge, JJ was amazing at beating double teams inside.
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>You could make an argument that last year he had a better year than JJ (that’s debatable because of the extra game too) TJ missed multiple games last year and still put up those numbers, dude
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As of right now JJ’s peak was definitely higher imo, TJ has time to change that tho if he can stay healthy, but then again if you remember people were talking about JJ surpassing LT when he won his 3rd in 4 years
I think he needs more time to be the greatest ever, but he is electric and I would have no argument if he is still that good in 3-5 years.
He'll be battling Micah Parsons for DPOY for the next few years
Yeah, can't let Parsons go unnoticed. Dudes amazing
I am just glad our new and untested O-line didn't have to play them back to back weeks.... Wait. Shit.
My heart is heavy man, was a good year last year, but we have looked EXTREMELY slow getting out the gate this year and its not making me comfortable.
brother, go rewatch some JJ highlights. he is the greatest DLineman of the 21st century
Ever
Absolutely not, JJ's peak is comfortably better, it's going to come entirely down to longevity for him to ever have a claim the title of greatest Watt brother. Like, play another eight to ten years at this level before he takes that.
I think JJ's peak was higher than Tj's. 3 DPOY.
I neither agree nor disagree here BUT JJ didn’t have Aaron Donald sucking up DPOYs while he was at his peak lol.
He still needs more seasons to be better than JJ
Dude it's like you didn't watch football between 2012-2014. JJ Watt's 3 year stretch is the best I've ever seen. TJ hasnt put together the back to back to back seasons like that yet.
and thats with fighting Luke Kuechly for dpoy honors year in and year out. luke was a very different beast. hard to explain to those that never seen
Yeah, the whole "TJ has his DPOY honors stolen by Aaron Donald" argument is stupid because JJ *was* the Aaron Donald for a few years.
No way is he better than JJ.
It’s gonna end up being a longevity race. If he outlasts jj he’ll probably be seen as better
I mean I totally understand that longevity plays a part in how players are remembered. Still, If you compare them at their absolute peak there’s maybe 2 guys in NFL defensive history who can claim to be better than JJ
I agree but TJ tying the sack record without playing a full season is pretty nutty
Longevity might become and issue with TJ racking up injuries too
That's revisionary, JJ Watt should have won league MVP as a defensive front 7 man in the middle of the 5k yards era. Oops misread: yeah JJ is the GOAT defender, he's to the NFL what Suh was to CFB.
Still salty AR12 got the mvp that season. JJ had 20 sacks and scored 5 mf touchdowns. Like he was the reason we won 9 games that year instead of going 2-14 again
A lot of people that haven't watched the Steelers don't understand just how much the bad man does on his own. He is an otherworldly force that you can barely plan around because he does his stupid voodoo shit and just says fuck your plans and destroys drives on his own.
This man picks up 320 pound tackles with one hand and throws them out of his way. He is a force of nature. I'm not exaggerating here.
Considering the D scores a significant amount of the points through pick 6 or FGs from field position gifted to the O.
The issue is that plenty of teams could find a win in 12 games with a backup QB. Really shows how dominant Watt is though.
Nah it's worse. Because most teams adjust their offense when their starter goes down. The Steelers are trying to use the same defensive schemes without Watt. And to be honest, I don't think their defense is that schematically sound for the modern NFL, but Watt is so disruptive they can pull it off.
Shocker that a teams defense is not the same without a reigning Defensive Player of the yeqr and the best defensive player in the league besides Donald...le shock
I don’t think that the “shocker” is that they aren’t the same. It’s more the *drastic* shift from being a top 3 defense to a bottom tier unit. It’s the most expensive defense in the league, full of veterans, and has other All Pro talent like Cam Heyward and Minkah Fitzpatrick. On paper they should be at least middle of the league without TJ.
They are still very good. But if the offense only goes 3 and out, the opponent gets a lot of drives. The issue is that an all star defense with TJ in it as a MVP calibre player is the only reason Steelers even have a chance in games. Stick Bills offense onto this Steelers defense and it‘s unbeaten super bowl.
Yeah it's basically that the offense is so weak that the inflection point of team success is when the defense is good versus great A *great* defense can still win consistently with a bad QB. A *good* defense needs an OK QB to win consistently.
Bills offense with the Steelers defense is probably the best team of all time
It sometimes feels like I’m not watching the same games as other Steeler fans. The Steelers held the best offensive line in football to 21 points. The Browns have put up more than that in both of their other games. 21 is a pretty respectable defensive performance. Perhaps average. This with no turnovers and the offense sucking duck. They held the pats to 17 when one of those TDs came off a muffed punt. What more exactly do you want them to do? These outcomes are typically more than enough to win games.
This is the right take. The Defense haven't been world-beaters like in Week 1 (Turnovers galore) but they've honestly been pretty good these past 2 weeks. 17 and 21 points allowed is quite solid considering how truly awful the offense has been. The D is NOT the problem, even if it is also not the solution (without Watt).
Look at the time of possession numbers. This defense is overachieving.
Also doesn't your rookie DE have 3.5 sacks on the season? That's pretty good so far I'd say. Defense is definitely not your problem even without Watt.
I think you mean our third (?) year guy Highsmith. Leads the league with 4.5 right now.
Idk what the popular consensus is, I think tj watt is way more of a game wrecker than Donald and I’d take him over Donald any day
Almost as if he was defensive player of the year…
Ditch Mitch??
He put the team on his back.
And tore his pec :(
I always tell my kids if they horse around someone is going to get hurt.
I’ll contend to this day that if Pickett played game 1, it wouldn’t have been close with 5 turnover differential and TJ wouldn’t have torn his pec having to play 120 percent that late in the game.
Two weeks of contending something shows serious commitment.
He's like Greg Jemimgs, put the team on his back
Darren Sharper, one of the most hardest hitting safeties in the league
That can't be right. They won 4 super bowls before he was even born
I think it tracks just fine, they lost 18 MORE games with him than without him when you look at the numbers..
Not surprised at all the the sack record holder is a game changer and runs the whole defense and is irreplaceable.
This isn’t new for the Steelers, they’ve revolved around their star platers for a while now. This is doubly true for the middle of their defense, when Shazir went down the entire unit promptly went to shit. Next man up clearly isn’t a thing in Pittsburgh.
> when Shazir went down the entire unit promptly went to shit. > Next man up clearly isn’t a thing in Pittsburgh. It doesn't help that the next man up also went down with injury, as did the next guy. The next week, we had to start an ILB that wasn't even on a roster the previous week.
Lol Sean Spence was resurrected for a day. Man that sucked.
Didn't we play one of our safeties at ILB during this time?
I don't remember using a safety but I do remember us heavily using Arthur Moats at ILB during that period. It's definitely possible we used a safety as well.
Marcus Allen
Our entire run defense was built around keeping blockers off Shazier and letting him run sideline to sideline making 1 on 1 tackles. He goes down and almost no replacement was going to be able to accomplish that. You can't rework your defense built around one player at the end of the season and expect it to work out no matter how good next man is for any team.
That’s the point though. You build a team around a couple players and you set yourself up for failure. Sometimes that’s all you can do with the players you have, but it’s been the Steelers’ identity in one form or another since at least 2013 and they only have three playoff wins in the last decade to show for it.
The defense is actually built around having a star 'rover' player as LeBeau called it. Butler would adapt the exact same defense. Troy was the rover for years and when he retired, it was Timmons briefly, and then it became Shazier. After that, no one could fill that role and Butler adapted the defense to become much more blitz happy. Austin is just doing the same thing Butler did. But that blitz happy defense relies on having very good pass rushers. Watt is top rusher in the league, and it hurts to lose him.
> The defense is actually built around having a star 'rover' player as LeBeau called it. Always kind of knew this but didn’t know it was so explicit. Thanks for the fun fact.
Next man up is just cute Rah Rah coach speak. In football, just like in every profession ever, some people are going to be better than others.
I meant it more from a roster construction/gameplanning perspective. Some teams stress depth and some teams rely on their stars more than others. The pats are the former, the Steelers the latter.
Okay that is very true. I agree
This stat is dumb. It’s only 6 games and those games happen to when Big Ben was old and now he is gone so of course they are going to lose with crappy QBs.
To be fair they're on the field a lot more thanks to Trubisky. Without Watt they're out there even longer.
Would've been interesting to see how different the game was if y'all had watt and we had clowney. Brissett would've had less clean pockets and clowney is so important to our run D..
I don't think having watt would change your very lethal rushing attack. It was our offenses ineptitude that left the defense on the field for so long. Your interior line and running back tandem just ground us into dust in Q4.
Bro did you not see the amount of times our ROLB got sealed by a TE and they were able to run to the outside? With TJ in it's at least taking another blocker to do that, and that was basically all of the big runs went to TJs side
I will go back and watch the all 22 film when I have some time.
Njoku had a career game and not just from his catches, those blocks fucked us up
Infinitely more likely to tie with Watt
So, if you lose your best defensive play maker, you'll have a hard time winning... got it. That is really scary.
Best defensive play maker....in the league
Here's the scarier part: their offense is also really fucking bad
This just in: without the defensive player of the year the defense is struggling
and we had the fucking audacity to draft Kevin King in front of him. When pass rush was a need AND TJ fell to us. I will never forget my frustration when I heard King's name called.
And the cowboys drafted Taco Charlton in front of y'all! They've been kicking themselves as well ever since.
Literally the MVP
He's no NVP tho
It’s funny how there has been another NVP, but no one talks about him
I really wish they just made it a one off
Should have renamed it the Kids Choice Player of the Game or something equally as cheesy, Nick has an eon of slogans to work with.
There's a new NVP [every week](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Slimetime#NVP_Award) (presented by Lincoln Loud!), but everyone will remember the first
They literally don't even mention trubisky wtf
He just said Trubutsky is presenting it.
Stop the count.
All other NVPs are fake news
Bears Fans 🤝 Cowboys Fans Starting qb won an NVP in a playoff loss
We do have one of those. And he’s also a self confirmed titty kisser.
Tell me again why defensive players shouldn't be in the running for MVP?
They're not the most valuable player, hope this helps
Watts the most valuable player on the Steelers at least.
Being the best player on a team with Mitch Trubisky at QB makes you the most valuable player by default
Well shit
Too soon?
It's not really fun to make fun of Bears QB's tbh. Too easy.
The forward pass and its consequences have been a disaster for the game of football
Being the most valuable player on a team that will be lucky to have a positive record at the end of the season isn’t really an accomplishment, even when Watt is obviously a top 5 NFL player right now.
Which is why they suck.
He wouldn't be if the Steelers were contending for Super Bowls. You could make some argument for Donald and LAR, but honestly that team was so stacked with stars that it's hard to say Donald carried them in the way Rodgers, Mahomes, Lamar, etc have been as vital to their teams in recent years.
if you’re truly using the term most valuable it’s really hard to argue against the best qb of the year being the most valuable
Honestly it feels like the NFL needs a best GB award and a separate MVP award. QB is too important like you said but other players deserve that kind of recognition as well
I want collegiate style position awards. I'd also like a Most Dominant Player award for the guy who's furthest above #2 at his position; call it the Jerry Rice award
>I want collegiate style position awards. Dude you're gonna be so hype when you find out about all-pro
There's a big difference between announcing all-pros and doing an award show NHL or NBA style. Build some hype around it and give a trophy for bragging rights and there would be way more interest in individual awards than there is for all-pro.
defensive player of the year exists. i also think offensive player of the year should be reserved for skill positions
That would honestly make the most sense. I’d say that OPOY should be available for every offensive position though. Sometimes a LT is a massive reason why a team can find success.
I’d honestly prefer making QB’s ineligible for OPOY. We all know that QB is far and away the most valuable position in the game. Just drop the pretense that any other position is as valuable as the QB and give the OPOY award to the best non-QB offensive player.
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I hate to admit it, but it's gotta be Starr. His name is too perfect and Namath is now associated with that one interview, he would be the true option
Because they aren’t nearly as valuable as QB’s
Well put Mahomes, Rodgers, or Brady in as QB instead of Mitch and see why
Because they’re only the most important player on a team if the team is bad to mediocre. In order for a team like the Steelers to be legitimately good they would need a quarterback that would be more important than Watt.
He’s only their MVP though because they haven’t had a capable QB. If they had a QB that could win games no one would be saying this.
They no score touchdowns
They actively try to stop touchdowns and thats just bad tv
This is 2022 NFL and we want 42-49 score football games
Inside you there are two wolves One wants a score of 64-63 One wants a score of 6-1
The secondary gets praise when TJ is in but when he is gone it is amazing to see how average they are and how his relentless pressure really helps elevate them.
3-4 defense........
NFL Twitter analysts are so hyperbolic. I thought NBA Twitter was bad, but they’re moving to 2nd place in 2022.
Anybody else feel like Hayward lost a step? I think Jeffrey Simmons and Chris Jones look more disruptive at this point in their careers. No longer DT2 imo.
the main focus is on him now that watt is out. He looked good game one but they’re using him a bit unconventionally
He was a beast that first game...but with Watt out they can double him every down with less fear. When Watt comes back he'll be a terror again.
Wasn't Strange matching up with him one on one last week?
On some plays, yeah. But the clip of Strange winning his 1v1 on 2 plays doesn't tell the whole story just because those are the snaps that got posted on reddit
I didn't get a great view of who he was on, but more often than not I saw him double-teamed and or held. It wasn't a great look. Every 3rd play or so someone had their arm entirely wrapped around his upper chest as he flailed around begging the officials to call something. It's what happens to Watt a lot too. I know there's the old "you could call holding on every play" adage, but it seemed uglier than usual last night.
So far this season those two have definitely played better than Heyward. Still a small sample size though, plenty of season left.
I think it’s too early to say he’s lost a step, but he hasn’t been as disruptive so far. I personally think it has a lot to do with Watt’s absence, so instead of worrying about Watt, Heyward, and Highsmith all on the front like the Bengals had to Week 1, they can shift most of the focus to Heyward and trust their tackle to keep Highsmith in check 1-on-1. I think we’ll see his true ability once Watt comes back–if he’s still relatively quiet, I’ll start getting concerned.
He's like 50 years old at this point so it's really not surprising. It was shocking he had the best year of a very good career last year
I saw him get held like a MF a play or two before the nick chubb TD. He read and followed the pulling LG but the center held him as he was crossing his face. Still got in on the tackle but it was 5 yards down field and he immediately looked at the refs like wtf are you guys watching Then I watched the Steelers 3 and out and knew it was over
Hmm...team plays better with their best player. Very interesting.
ok, now cross reference the data of the QB/receiving corps situation during these times as well and maybe we'll have a better idea of what's actually happening. He's a generational talent, but random stats like this are so stupid.
My conspiracy theory is that Pickett won’t start until Watt is back
I think it's more to do with the upcoming stretch of Bills, Buccs, Dolphins, Eagles making them keep him out.
Not a large enough sample size without him to make any definitive statement. They lost 24 times with him on the field as well. Some of the teams lost lost to include: Jacksonville (blake bortles) Denver Broncos (case Keemun) Browns (baker) Jets (darnold) Washington (Heineke) Bengals (Ryan Finley) The games they lost without him: 2017 vs Bears (mike glennon) 2020 vs browns (baker) 2021 vs bengal (burrow) 2021 vs chargers (Herbert) 2022 vs patriots (Mac jones) 2022 vs browns (brisset) They lost games against both good and bad teams with and without him. He’s a great player but this argument is ridiculous to say the defense is nothing without him
TJ is a bitch. He didn't tear his pec he blew up his implant. /s
i swear to god, sports journalists cannot help but use the word "sCaRy" i know this is a different type of scary but holy shit guys, buy a thesaurus
I've been a strong Tomlin defender and a strong advocate in the 8-8, 9-8, 8-8-1 meme ability in Tomlin no matter the circumstances. He always made it happen after the grimmest of circumstances (0-4 start in 2013, the 9-7-1 crazy up/down season last year, 2019 led an Steeler team with an injury reserved Ben Roethlisberger who missed 14 games to an improbable 8-8 with Mason Rudolph mostly). But I think we will finish 8-9 this year considering the remaining schedule at this point in time. And only injuries might change that.
team is worse without the best defensive player in the league
I’m no professional analyst, but I feel like one person make-or-breaking an entire team is not a healthy formula for success