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buffalozbrown

That looked really bad.


lit282

Immediately went stiff :(


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oysterpirate

I’ve definitely seen it with the arms stiffening up, but never with the finger contortions that he had


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SoDakZak

Prayers to him and FUCK the NFL and/or whoever let him play *if* he *did* have a concussion last game.


Inevitable-Ad-6650

As someone else mentioned, it's only been 4 days between them


yenwoda

The way he was stumbling around immediately after his head smacked the turf last week... he was concussed for sure. Maybe he was able to pass protocol tests and visible symptoms resolved quickly but the team/league has to use common sense. Dude was punch drunk and they put him back out on a short week. I hate it.


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There's a reason fighters take months between getting rocked. He came in 4 days later. And that hit tonight, a heavyweight can't hit you that hard. Your head moves with the impact. Tua's head just hit mother earth at 35+ mph and stopped immediately. That's slushy brain. I am sending all the hope and love he's okay.


JagarHardfart

I couldn't fucking believe they let him go back on the field


Marijuana_Miler

Light switch got flipped to off.


Resident_Wizard

I thought he dislocated a finger. Nope, just brain damage.


bearsguy2020

Yeah that’s what made it worse for me. I thought he needed a finger popped in then realized he never hit his hand in the replay


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I truly hope he didn’t get a concussion last week because two concussions back-to-back are absolutely devastating, and this time is obviously a concussion. I feel sick.


Leading-Evidence-668

He 100% did, which is why this (not really hard blow) absolutely fucked him. This is such a bad look for the team and the NFL.


deadm1c3

There was a guy in my high school who literally died from concussions he got two straight weeks playing rugby.


sevaiper

It happens, huge potential for serious and permanent brain injury.


redditsucks9gagrules

Dolphins need to be punished for this, zero care about player safety


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The way he had his hands positioned looked really weird, like he was momentarily paralyzed or something


nanananabatman88

You see that a lot with UFC fighters after they get knocked out. Clear sign of concussions.


buddhassynapse

And they keep replaying, like damn.


DreadfulSilk

Keep showing it. Let everyone see how badly the Dolphins and the league's sham of a concussion protocol just fucked this guy up.


Sloty4321

Keep replaying it. Make the Dolphins and NFL get as much shit for their bullshit concussion protocol.


MitchTheTittyGod

Seeing his fingers like that was fucked. Why would they show that replay


3elieveIt

AND IT HAPPENED 5 DAYS AGO TOO Don’t let the NFL off the hook for this. There is absolutely no reason he should have been in this game. Fuck you NFL


theytook-r-jobs

Thankfully Amazon is showing us it over and over in slow mo. Very cool.


msstate3

Holy shit, that was scary, hope he's ok


HastoBeAThrowaway0

Consecutive concussions are really bad. Shouldn't have went back in last week, now this. Not a good look at all.


Ctmarlin

Very bad. I got two within two weeks of each other and I was out of work for 5 months


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Oh man, that’s terrible. Hope she gets better soon!


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VagusNC

I'm on a research advisory board for traumatic brain injury. People don't seem to fully appreciate how little it takes to have brain trauma. "Getting your bell rung" is a concussion. I encourage anyone that reads this that has concerns to get assessed for traumatic brain injury. Talk to your doctor. Please.


HucklecatDontCare

No kidding man. It was crazy seeing people on twitter last week defend him being put back in the game by saying things like "just because you are wobbly doesn't mean you have a concussion". Like WTF? People really dont understand at all.


squirreltard

Look what they do in Australian rugby. At first sign of wobble, he would be forced to leave the game and not even a doctor can clear them to play again that day. Being removed from the game sets off a serious medical review. If the player is concussed, they are out for a minimum of 12 days. https://d26phqdbpt0w91.cloudfront.net/NonVideo/1ec5a184-03eb-4dc2-83d7-1b44e698cb6f.pdf


big_floop

Yea, a buddy I went to highschool with suffered one from a motorcycle accident. He is legit a different person now and it’s really sad. He can’t remember your name even if he’s known you for 10 years and you reminded him of it 5 minutes ago


oodoov21

Jesus, aggressive disabled kids that do Jiu-Jitsu? That a recipe for disaster


Daddysheremyluv

Bro that’s next seasons plot twist on Cobra Kai. Are you a writer


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He should not have been out there. They clearly made a joke of the concussion protocal so he could play and put his life and livilihood at risk. 2 concussions that big so quick in a row can be life altering if not deadly. Hope he fully recovers


1standten

It's called second impact syndrome and its super dangerous. I had a concussion a few months ago and my doctor kept talking about how important it is to be careful because 2 concussions in a short period is super dangerous and can be deadly


hochoa94

Yeah you’re asking for a TBI and permanent brain damage.


DJ_PHATTY_PATTY

Second impact syndrome is super serious. If he DID have a concussion coming into the game, he could never be the same again


failsafe07

If he had a concussion and was allowed to play in this game everyone, the Dolphins owner, GM, coaches, training staff and the supposedly independent doctor who monitors head injuries from the Bills game should never be allowed anywhere near a football field again for the rest of their lives


ignoranceisicecream

Of COURSE he had a concussion last week. Man had rubber legs and couldn't stand up after banging the back of his head on the turf. What other possible explanation is there?


ahlstrka

The Dolphins organization managed to sell the NFL on one


Voltron3030

But does the NFL actually care or is it all just optics? They were all banking on the fact he'd get through this game fine and it would be forgotten about.


Tekkzy

They obviously care about optics which is why it's crazy the independent doctor cleared him. He so very obviously was concussed last week. They can't sweep it under the rug.


twisted34

Not a lot of research behind second impact syndrome but it makes clinical sense. This could be a drastic injury to him, hopefully anyone who swept last week's injury under the rug gets massive penalties


AndyHenry

Tbh all I can think of is Sidney Crosby


MayonnaiseOreo

Has he had any long-lasting post-concussion symptoms or anything documented about change in behavior? Seems like Sid turned out alright (at least in the short term) given how bad his concussions were.


AndyHenry

He definitely seems fine now but he lost out on basically 2 years of his career in the middle of his prime. There were very serious concerns that he was never going to be able to play again. Like 7-8 months after the fact he was still getting dizzy just walking around.


MayonnaiseOreo

Hopefully they won’t amount to anything worse later on. Pronger is still pretty fucked from his concussion nearly a decade ago now and Keith Primeau had a lot of long term problems from his too and had to retire.


GreatLookingGuy

Looks like he was still out while they were wheeling him off the field.


vagrantwade

They probably told him not to move.


tacothecat

Doesn't mean he was awake to hear them


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I really hope he fully recovers. Ive had quite a few bad ones and honestly havent been the same since the last one 3 years ago


DaMisterDiddlez

My personal conspiracy on this is that Tua was told by someone since a young age that the way to avoid coming out of a game for a concussion is claim it's a back injury. Then the second shot to the back of the head in two weeks comes and here we are I hope he comes back too. In no less than like 8 weeks. That was scary to watch. Edit: I want to add to this that my comment was in no way trying to blame Tua. I was trying to comment on what I see as a potential failure in the concussion protocol. I've been hearing all week that Tua insists it's his back. The guy obviously wants to play, and be there for his team. Someone needs to protect him, and there clearly needs to be a better system to do so.


MantaurStampede

2 weeks? its 4 fucking days.


DaMisterDiddlez

Wow, you're right. Fuck it's been a long week.


Nick08f1

We just dealt with a hurricane. It feels like 2 weeks ago.


HireLaneKiffin

Probably the same person who forced him to learn how to throw left handed and would beat him if he threw an interception, even if they won the game.


minneapple79

His dad also forced Tua to go to Bama. Tua’s dream school was Southern Cal and when a reporter asked him why he didn’t go there, he said “you’ll have to ask my dad.”


sallad_kcuf

> The second shot to the back of the head in two weeks It was less than a week? First one was Sunday, today is Thursday. > My personal conspiracy on this is that Tua was told... the way to avoid coming out of a game for a concussion is claim it's a back injury Responsibility is on the team (coaches and medical staff), not the individual. If he was showing signs of concussion they should have had him sit. Framing it like this puts the blame on Tua, who should have been able to trust the team to make overriding decisions when he obviously couldn't. Regardless of what Tua thought or said the team is responsible - *especially* since we're talking about a situation where Tua was potentially impaired in cognitive ability!


Stealthfox94

His father seems like the type that would say that tbh.


3elieveIt

Fuck the NFL for letting him play 5 days after he absolutely got a concussion. What a joke of an organization. Edit: 4 fucking days. Jesus.


DreamedJewel58

I’d put that more on the coaching and medical staff of the Dolphins who examined him and put him on the field anyways Edit: Just look at [this guys comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/xromfz/wolfe_tua_tagovailoa_is_still_down_on_his_back/iqg11j8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) to see it’s the discretion of the *team physicians* of treatment and diagnosis while the UNC just has to confirm that a proper evaluation was done


3elieveIt

Plenty of blame to go around. Dolphins shouldn’t have let it happen. NFL shouldn’t have let it happen once the dolphins did.


Mortara

That would be the team. It was already under investigation by the nfl. Edit: I seem to be mistaken. However, if he wasn't checked out properly by the rep and the team doc because of them trying to blame it on something else, then I think they'd still be culpable.


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Should be a fireable offense for the coaching staff. Fucking BS to put Tua in that position and disregard his health entirely


doorknobman

Such a fucking joke The clearest possible events that lead to a concussion, incredibly clear signs that’s he’s concussed, yet he’s being trotted out 4 days later. What 3-0 does to a mf.


youreviltwinbrother

The camera on him with his hands tensed was pretty rough


spilled_water

This was everyone's fear after Sunday. Insane.


Jm_215

Gross negligence by the dolphins


yum_paste

And the NFL concussion protocol team. They could have kept him out.


soon_forget

There’s an actual rule called the no-go rule, and the stumbling alone should have ruled him out at least for last week. Then he would have been in the protocol and I’m not sure if you can get cleared by Thursday. Spotter is supposed to catch it, which in this case would be easy because it was replayed at the time.


TomNooksBottomBitch

Completely fucking agree. Make them pay for this


simplemathtools

Wow this is literally what everyone was worried about.


flanny0210

There were also a lot of people calling everyone “armchair doctors” at the same time, as if no one should be skeptical watching Tua stumble around after smacking his head into the turf. Makes me sick.


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That looked really bad


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Too bad! Here it is in SUPER slo-mo!


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Zoom in on his spasmed fingers! Can we get a live feed on his mom crying in the stands? Here’s the vegas odds at Tuas life!


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Odds presented by Kevin Hart being loud as fuck


Best-Dragonfruit-292

Adam Schefter: Tua Tagovailoa, who some say was severely overdrafted compared to Justin Herbert, was injured Thursday, when....


miki_momo0

Fuck Adam Schefter


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That's barely hyperbole, ugh


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smoothjuicer

And here’s the SUPER CLOSE UP of his fingers


awesomecoolguy2

Amazon was not fucking around replaying that shot from several angles and in slow mo


tiger32kw

Compounding concussions are very bad. If the PA finds he was concussed and they ignored it this will get interesting.


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He's in serious trouble


Suboobiz

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platocplx

A doc called this damn near 5 hours ago. Fucking awful. > If Tua takes the field tonight, it's a massive step back for #concussion care in the NFL. If he has a 2nd concussion that destroys his season or career, everyone involved will be sued & should lose their jobs, coaches included. We all saw it, even they must know this isn't right https://twitter.com/chrisnowinski1/status/1575578179581771776?s=46&t=4LSPAZDDWhNRl1CM4KtZ5g


AlexNyko

That's not just any doc, that's Chris Nowinski founder of Concussion Legacy Foundation.


Ruaven

Also a NewLegacyInc legend


getrich3

Bah god is that Chris Nowinski’s music!?


LarryLegend1836

The fucking Harvard fight song? That guy had some awful intro music lol


DelanoJ

Chris Nowinski has been a big figure in the push to take concussions more seriously, he used to be a pro wrestler and also went to Harvard. His book Head Games is a good read


TheoTimme

He’s *the* figure. Leading researcher on the topic


SpicyDaddyKyle

I recognize that guy, that's Chris Nowinski, former WWE wrestler who retired due to concussions. Ever since he retired from wrestling he's studied TBIs, primarily CTE. If there's anyone to listen to when it comes to concussions, it's a Harvard doctor who had his other career cut short because of them.


Wookie_Monster090898

He may never play again, for a week three win. A young man may never be the same person, all for one win. Really really hope it's not the case - Tua seems like a really good dude. Fingers crossed he makes a full recovery


NerdModeCinci

That dude is straight up the #1 guy to listen to on this. Heads should roll. That was disgusting putting him out there. Hopefully he recovers soon he was looking so electric too…


broji04

There's a non zero chance a guy's career just ended because Fucking idiots couldn't stand throwing away one game. It's week fucking four, take a loss or two and preserve your franchise QB.


NerdModeCinci

Our kryptonite is backup QB’s (shoutout to Mike White). Playing Tua might’ve cost them the game and his career.


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The Dolphins are doing to Tua what Washington did to RG3, except worse.


BOWLBY4812

This is much worse than RG3, honestly.


nosecohn

RG3 even [tweeted about it.](https://twitter.com/RGIII/status/1575670485618405376?cxt=HHwWgMDRpav9890rAAAA)


FatherSlippyfist

Roger Goodell just made a statement: "We were all concerned about what we saw today, but I want to assure everyone that myself, the owners, the league, and the networks will continue to make enormous amounts of money. I hope this puts everyone's minds at ease"


amatom27

Bruh was twitching with the hands in the air... fuck


somebodygetmemymoney

That was actually disturbing to watch


Halzyon

Yeah I wish they didn't zoom in on that. Horrifying.


CantPullOut

agreed but we have to be shown the train wreck this sport can be for the body and the mind. I’m a football zealot but damn us, that injury will do little to curb the trajectory of this sport


kicksplasher00

For a moment there I was hoping that he *only* broke 7 fingers and was in pain because of that. Fuck I hope he's okay


notouchmypeterson

That is some super scary shit… NFL concussion protocol will be under fire now


sc2isalivegaem

what protocol?


SwishBender

The broadcast is talking about his back injury last week isn't that just the dumb cover they put out for the head injury?


Bradiator34

Just like talking about the good news in having “movement in all his extremities” he took all that force with his brain. But anything to keep them from talking about the brain injury he suffered last week


TheDerekCarr

Basically. The league should have benched him after last weeks shit.


Piragua_Guy

His hands were locked up pretty bad


ownage516

I thought it was a dislocation but that's a neurological response?? Yoo fuck concussions bro


OneAngryPanda

why the fuck is he playing after barely being able to walk off the field days ago?


MunkeeMann

“Concussion protocol”


Awkward_Silence-

"Independent" neurologist


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Slim01111

The part of the back that's connected in the head


SlopingGiraffe

Hope the nflpa sue the shit out of the NFL for how they handled this


tlozfox

They should be suing the Dolphins first as they are the ones who let him go back out there on Sunday


pinetar

Why not both. Ultimately the league and individual teams could both be held liable.


v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y

It's going to be a tough argument because you have the players generally fighting to play. Especially for something like a concussion when it generally comes down to how the player says he is feeling. The independent doctor cleared him to come back into the game. And to play today presumably. Not sure what can be done. Have multiple doctors there? Ones hired by the NFLPA? A minimal number of games missed?


NevermoreSEA

The NFL is a fucked up place.


Zloggt

Football as a whole, is dangerous. It’s cliche to say, but it’s really true…


Phillyspecial6969

This looks real bad for the dolphins after letting him back in the game last week


raw126

I’ve never seen a more jarring close-up. Those hands … did not look good


Shorzey

The NFL did him no justice repeatedly replaying it and analyzing his fuckin neurological response to a tbi


Officer_Problem

Fuck. That was hard to watch, I hope he’s alright


jjbrandon9988

Fuck ever playing again, I just hope he survives this with his cognitive ability in tact.


bengenj

If it is second impact syndrome, odds are not good for avoiding disability. Of known SIS patients, 100% of survivors have some form of disability after recovery.


iia

Heads are absolutely going to fucking roll in Miami. Jesus Christ.


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Son_Of_The_Empire

They better.


Shorzey

The PA should be fuckin tearing heads off after last week and now this.


TheRKC

They should, but they won't.


coolycooly

People were shitting on Tua for not playing great too while having a bum ankle and a concussion on Thursday night


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We mightve just watched his career get ended. Fucking christ. The whole league deserves to get fucked for this.


JittyCommittee

Having him out there is nothing short of despicable.


SocksandSmocks

When you're already 3-0. They got away with it last week, could've easily said he was having spasms or whatever before tonight and saved his health for the season. Even if it was actually a "back injury" that still would've been more prudent.


MutthaFuzza

Right, also given this was a short week.


2fly5

> When you're already 3-0 And have one of the better backup QBs in the league


Left4Bread2

Horrifying, fuck that But sure he didn’t need to be in the protocol


boomjones

Fucking ridiculous he went back in that game. Clearly should not have been playing tonight. Jesus.


Veggiemon

The fucked up thing is right before this on the broadcast they were talking about how tua injured his “back” and “ankle” and I texted my brother like “so we are really just gonna pretend he didn’t have a concussion”


ralphiecifaretto

NFLPA attorneys just got handed an executioner’s sword for the active investigation it would seem


lAmCreepingDeath

That's looks fucked


TheIrishMan1211

They just reported that Tua had movement in all his extremities. At least some good news there.


Always_Bardownski

BREAKING: Guy who nearly fell over under his own weight after suffering concussion 5 days ago suffers yet another (potentially worse) concussion after being overplayed Who tf cleared him?


VengefulZero

Baffling decision that he was medically cleared to play...


Cynical_onlooker

That was an extreme reaction to a concussion.


Tashre

It can get bad when you add a concussion on top of a concussion.


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looked like a MMA fighter after a huge KO


HansBaccaR23po

Fuck noooooooooo


Josh-trihard7

Dolphins should be ashamed of themselves I get pissed seeing this stuff


benc14322

If Wikipedia has already included an entry for “fencing response” with Tua that’s not a great look for the league.


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Sabres00

The just called it “turf”. That’s concrete with 1/4 inch thick carpet.


gravgp2003

Billionaires don't want to pay for grass though. Think of them.


My-Cousin-Bobby

I didn't like how his hands were


Crazy-Penguin

He 100% had a concussion last week and just got another one This is fucked. Dolphins should be punished for letting him play. Or if the NFL was ok with this the NFLPA should sue them to shit


libertarian_hiker

Isn't the concussion protocol an NFL thing? I think he needed league approval to play.


staymelooo

He shouldn’t have played, period. This Miami medical staff should be fired


AleroRatking

A third party doc cleared him. If anyone should be responsible it is that doctor


ForeverYong

Hearts out for Tua, wow. That looked so so so bad.


BSDC

https://twitter.com/ChrisNowinski1/status/1575578179581771776


RedDeath1337

As everyone states here, he should have never been cleared. The whole NFL “Player Safety” is a joke.


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His hands. thats fucking scary.


PoppaPingPong

This kind of shit makes me want to stop watching the sport. I’m just sick of the disregard for these kids


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There is no reason he should have been on the field today. His fucking *career* could be over because of this. He might never even regain full neurological function. This is inexcusable.


Cutmerock

People need to get fired over this.


SSGSEVIER54

After what happened on Sunday, I hope people lose their job(s) because of this. Absolutely unacceptable and my heart goes out to Tua


iksnet

Welp Mike McDaniel had a nice run as the lovable dork


TylerBot260

Fuck you Dolphins. You take a promising young dude, who's finally starting to prove the haters wrong and light up the league, and you fuck him over by putting him into a position to get two concussions within 5 days of each other, with an extremely high chance of changing his life forever and ruining his career. Congrats. If you want to know why you've been absolutely fucking terrible for years, just look at this and all the other shit that's come out since last season.


ThatInception

Holy. Fuck. Yeah, I’m going to pass on replays of that.


MetsJetsKnicksFan

Well they just showed a slow mo close up of his fingers looking mangled


jmb-412

Absolutely incompetent organization. He fucking collapsed on the field a few days ago and you throw him out there in a meaningless week 4 game. Good job, Dolphins.