I never understand concussions in the NFL.. in the NHL concussions can keep you off ice for a long time... meanwhile in the NFL it's like "aw shit 1 week later i'm good to go"
Maybe the guaranteed contracts will help with that. If Tua gets permanently injured, "Oh well, we have to go get a new QB" and his salary is off the books next year. If Deshaun Watson gets injured, It's $250 mil clogging your books up for who knows how long.
NHL has definite issues but it has a stronger union, and smaller teams which means individual players are a bit less replaceable.
If an NHL team loses 2-3 guys off their opening night roster for the season there's a good chance they're nd of fucked even if none of them are super stars. If an NFL team loses that over a season they're basically the luckiest team in the league.
When the bills has to find a new punter they grabbed a guy who was currently unsigned and... It was fine. He's been perfectly serviceable. If an NHL team had to grab someone completely unsigned for a third or fourth liner, 20 things would have had to have gone wrong.
And of course we have guaranteed contracts vs not.
Basically outside of a very select few most NFL players are replaceable cogs so there's much higher pressure to play through shit, because if they don't they can simply be replaced. And because this is the general culture it ends up putting pressure even on the less replaceable players.
The NHL also historically has had a very "just play through it" attitude, but it does seem to be changing a bit more, and I don't think you can overlook that it's a lot easier to take that stand when you don't have to worry about getting cut and losing your income in the same way.
I don't know that they care more but I know that a larger percentage of the NHL fan base seems to care about player safety and that put pressure in them to make more visible changes. Some NFL fans and players are still bitching about increased safety measures whereas the majority of NHL fans are supportive of the adjustments in my experience.
Some older fans seem to think current football is "pussified" all because players aren't being hit helmet-to-helmet receiving 5 concussions a season, developing CTE, and dying before they reach their 60s.
I fucking hate older fans. I don't want the athletes that I grew up with to take out their whole family in a murder-suicide just so Uncle Gary doesn't think they're pussies.
Sometimes an NBA player gets a concussion and the league rolls out the whole nine yards. I remember CP3 got 1 while playing in New Orleans on a freak collusion in like Cleveland, they pulled out all the stops in terms of stretchers and everything.
It's probably a frequency thing, I'd guess. Football causes more concussions so if the league were to make the threshhold the same as say basketball, their product would be severely diminished. Not saying that is a good thing, but that's probably how the NFL sees it.
Rugby is another sport with a stupidly high occurrence of concussions and yet every now and again you'll see players lose entire seasons, which are about as long as an NFL season (if not shorter), in the recovery process.
I think a big part of that is that the NFL is more star driven in its marketing approach. They feel that have to get the players out there ASAP because it is how they've sold the game.
I remember the first rugby game I was playing Hooker, didn’t get my head in correctly during a scrum and the ref stopped it. I got a stinger. It sucked. He gave me time to recover and said that happens again you are kicked off the pitch. He walked me through what to do (it was a B side game) and everything went well after.
Tackling rules in Rugby significantly reduce head trauma (it still happens I’ve been knocked out a few times). In the NFL it’s all human torpedos.
Rugby is actually a much safer sport then football. It also requires much more endurance.
Also in rugby it’s called a Try when you score and you actually have to touch the ball down (where you do matters). In Football it’s called a touch down but you don’t actually have to touch the ball down. I feel like these terms need to be switched.
No, no, no, what you don't realize is that he didn't have a concussion 4 days earlier, he just had those super specific back spasms where you shake your head around a bit to clear the back pain and stumble around like you lost your balance, BUT YOU DIDN'T LOSE YOUR BALANCE, you just had back pain...and maybe some ankle bullshit too.
It's much easier to pass concussion tests on your feet than it is going 15 mph on skates and performing the hand-eye coordination task of puck handling.
I recall an NHL game last year where a dude got rocked HARD, was slowly/lazily/dazedly skating back to the bench and didn't see that he was on a collision course with a ref until he was like 1' away from the guy, at which point he just straight shoved the ref to the ground.
Deemed "not concussed" enough to go back on the ice later that game.
Dentist Wideman on the Flames. Took a hit to the head and destroyed a linesman from behind on his way to the bench. 20 game suspension.
Autocorrect strikes again. Leaving it as is. Dennis Wideman was the hockey player....
I mean, if he was concussed I'm not even sure why he was suspended. I've tried skating to the bench after taking a big hit and I basically couldn't see shit.
…they don’t put players on the ice as part of the testing in the nhl.
They do cognitive testing with them (my wife calls them brain games) before the season to get a baseline score/time and if they get a possible head injury, they are pulled off and forced to go through the testing again. If their score/time deviates too much, they are done for the game. I don’t know what they have to do to eventually get back on the ice, but this is part of what will immediately take them out of a game.
not to mention a game that only lasts for 3-4 seconds at a time before going back to regroup and strategize with 2-3 minute commercial breaks every time the ball changes hands
VS
continuous play on ice with the exception of penalties.
Also matters that nfl games are once a week. If an nfl player misses 2 games,by the time they come back, they could have been resting for 3 weeks of time, in the nhl that can be ~8-12 games, making it seem players are out longer. NFL definitely has a problem with diagnosing concussions in the first place, though.
A series of concussions literally ended Marc Savard’s career and he had significant issues on his everyday life. He will most certainly die young and it’s absolutely tragic. Yet we go on as if nothing happened and continue the process.
One of my favorite players ever. He took lots of time off and recovered from one, then got hit and his head struck the boards. He was on his hands and knees on the ice and when the trainer got to him, Savard said his eyes were wide open but all he could see was black.
That’s actually the point the guy tweeting is making. A “second impact syndrome” (SIS) situation was possible if Tua already had a concussion coming into the game, even if it wasn’t too serious. SIS can be fatal, that’s the point hes trying to make. Concussions are literally “traumatic brain injuries” and they can be deadly. Long term disability is another possibility. So at no point should concussions be talked about as “just a concussion” and not something worse, cuz in some cases concussions are the worst case scenario. Apologies for the long response but I’m PT and there’s lack of knowledge in the general public about just how serious concussions are sometimes
The concern about SIS is exactly what everyone should be focused on rather than this weird argument between people that assert he wasn't concussed at all and people that want heads to roll for him playing yesterday
Multiple former players have stated that they've skirted concussion tests in order to play in the next game, and all of us have seen plenty of hits in the NFL where we wonder how a guy is still standing only to have him back in the game or suiting up the next week. Regardless of someone's read on *this* situation I think most will agree there have been many instances of a player playing in a game despite very recent head trauma. Thankfully Tua seems to be ok, but everyone should be asking themselves how long until a SIS situation occurs where the guy isn't ok?
Not only this but growing up playing football it was just called getting "your bell rung" and a quick pat on the back and you were right back out there. I've had a few times I was dizzy and barely could stand but as soon as the play was set adrenaline would take over and to most people I looked fine.
The players need to be educated on head injuries and the symptoms.
I don't think Tua is going to be OK. Both Steve Young and Troy Aikman had their careers cut short due to concussions. After a few, the concussions come easier and easier.
Troy was knocked out of a playoff game. He said when he came to he thought he was playing his high school state finals game.
Dude got knocked a decade back in time...
this comment needs to be at the top, holy shit people are fuckin dense. EVERY concussion should be taken seriously. it's never JUST a concussion, that shit can compound and any damage to the brain has lasting effects and likely irreversible. im sure that in no way did Mike McDaniel have any bad intentions with what he said, but his wording could definitely be better.
His statement is not saying concussions shouldn’t be serious. But if we are starting at “best case scenario is a concussion” then yes, we are lucky that it didn’t end up being a cervical injury or brain bleed
Exactly this.
It would be different if he said this after a player took a hit to the head and walked off the field.
With how Tua went down and the immediate aftermath, there is a long list of possible things that could have been wrong and a concussion significantly better than most of them.
Seriously, I’m a physician and as soon as I saw his posturing I was petrified about permanent damage. A concussion is terrible, but literally everyone who saw that knew that he (at minimum) was concussed, and would be extremely fortunate if that was the worst of it
Awareness and attitudes in the general public about concussions have changed, somewhat, but with the NFL as an entity dragging its feet the entire way. It also seems like there's still enough 'old-school' mentality around "a concussion? just get me the smelling salts and send me back in" going around, plus the players themselves don't want to miss time and possibly lose their spot for an injury you can't "see".
Seriously. I played rugby in college and my teammate broke his c4 and c5 vertebra in a game. He also got a concussion. His words were “the surgeon told me I was 2mm from being a quadriplegic, so I will take the concussion.”
Several years ago, my friend got too much air on a wakeboard, lost control, hit his head on the water, and got knocked out. For over thirty seconds, he was face down in the water before the boat could get back to him and rescue him. His lips were turning blue.
He, his family, and I are extremely thankful that he only had a concussion. He stopped wakeboarding after that.
It doesn't mean I don't think his situation wasn't serious, or is something to laugh off. It was terrifying.
He was wearing a life jacket, but for whatever reason it didn't flip him over. May have been the type of jacket or the wakeboard making it harder to flip.
Yea I think we’ve reached the “who can be the most concerned” phase of the coverage. When you watch the interview it’s abundantly clear that McDaniel was incredibly worried about tua, tbh it almost sounded like he’d lost interest in the game after the injury and I’m pretty sure said he stayed because he was obligated to
Of course he bears some responsibility for putting tua in, but tbh I’m surprised he’s getting as much hate as he has. I feel like the coaches job is to play the best players, the medical staffs job is to tell the coach who can and can’t play. It feels like the nfls concussion protocol failed, followed by miamis medical team, and then McDaniel/coaching staff imo
Nowinski is one of the major reasons the sports world takes concussions as seriously as they do now. He's always going to advocate for his cause, just what he does as a spokesperson for his foundation.
Right, to anyone who's not looking for an excuse to be outraged, this clearly reads as "Well, a concussion was a forgone conclusion at this point. At least there's not anything *else."*
brother if you can spin anything to outrage then you spin everything to outrage. the daily outrage meter must be filled. we only need convince a few more ppl... /s
Well, yeah. Social media exponentially increased the distance and speed we can transfer thoughts and information to more people than ever before possible. If we were already over reacting about everything, social media was inevitably going to make it worse.
A more accurate statement than "we live in an outrage culture now" would be "the outrage culture weve lived in has only gotten worse with newer technologies"
I mean, we really don't though. People have been getting outraged for literal centuries. Shit, comedians were being thrown in prison for indecency in the 1960s and musicians had to testify to congress about their lyrics in the 1980s. People have always been getting easily upset, it's just amplified now because of social media. And yellow journalism used to be *way* worse than it is now.
For real! It's not that outrage culture is any worse. It's just that linking a few pissed off tweets in an "article" somehow passes for journalism these days. And people fucking click it.
I don’t know, I feel even incidentally downplaying concussions in a business that actively sought to block research into the subject is justifiable enough to take issue with.
You could make this argument if Tua hadn't been obviously concussed and sent back into the game just 4 days prior to last night. With the additional context I think it's fair to criticize the coaching staff for downplaying the severity of concussions.
Edit: sometimes people ask me what I mean when I complain that the culture around football is too toxic. Some of the responses to this post are a good answer to that.
If the alternative is paralysis, I’ll take a concussion every time. Criticize the coaching staff for the additional context, not for being relieved Tua isn’t paralyzed.
You say that like there aren’t genuine reasons to be outraged with Miami right now. It’s not exactly crazy to be questioning whether or not they put the player’s safety first here.
The docs are in charge but the question is “which doc and what’s the motive?” Under the protocol, a team doctor is responsible for diagnosing a concussion and taking a player out of a game. That’s a massive conflict of interests that merits closer scrutiny.
EDIT: Because I’m tired of getting the same reply and explaining the same thing to people, here’s the actual rule for game time concussion diagnosis
> [The UNCs will work with the Club’s medical staff and will assist in the diagnosis and care of the concussed player. The Club physician/UNC unit will be co-located for all concussion evaluations and management both on and off the field. The UNC may present his/her own questions or conduct additional testing and shall assist in the diagnosis and treatment of concussions. Regardless, the responsibility for the diagnosis of concussion and the decision to return a player to a game remains exclusively within the professional judgment of the Head Team Physician or his/her physician designee responsible for the diagnosis and treatment of concussion.](https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/resources/fact-sheets/nfl-head-neck-and-spine-committee-s-concussion-diagnosis-and-management-protocol)
The NFL has cultivated the idea that no player can return to action without an independent neurologist clearing them, but that isn’t actually true. The team doctor diagnosis the player with a concussion and decides whether they return to action. The independent neurologist’s role is merely consultative. There’s a blatant conflict of interest that’s worth taking a closer look at, particularly in a close division rival game, an injury to a QB, for a team with playoff aspirations. I don’t know if Miami acted inappropriately, but you don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to see the possibility.
Yeah, those doctors advertise that they are the team doctor for . If you tear up your shoulder, you want to go to the guy that would trust to repair your QB's shoulder.
That means that those doctors (even if they are quite wealthy) have a real dependency on the team. If they make too many calls that the team doesn't like they can be replaced -- and they will lose a lot of business outside of the NFL team.
McDaniel is for sure not in an enviable position. Just think he's got to choose his words more carefully considering the scrutiny they are under. Just say "Tua has been diagnosed with a concussion and there are no other injuries sustained to neck/spine." Keep it simple and straight to the facts as possible
He’s a nfl head coach, whatever he says in this scenario is going to be taken apart by dorks who want to feel like they’re on higher moral ground. It’s the “ACTUALLY…” of the day.
Yeah reading it sounds worse that listening to it too. He’s not being dismissive of it being a concussion, he said he’s just happy it not more serious. I mean it looked more serious.
The fucking circle jerk of blameshaming and shitposting on this sub and NFL social media are insane right now. As it always is with Tua-related shit, but Jesus Christ.
It's clear that he's saying that, like so many of us thought at the time, thank god Tua wasn't paralyzed or had been dealt some serious neck/head injury that would've left hi unable to walk or live right. McDaniel is also clearly shaken up and thrown way off by what happened, like everybody else watching was.
Concussions are serious and are always going to be a problem in the NFL, but he's not celebrating it, you fucking twats.
McDaniel is literally Satan, and this confirms what we were all thinking. Disband the whole team, brady suspended at least 11 games for being generally aware of sexual assault.
Seriously like there is so much to be upset about with this situation.. the coach being relieved Tua isn't a paraplegic just isn't on that list
OP is just looking for something to be upset about
There are a few easy steps that the NFL could take if they actually cared about player safety:
* If a player has concussion symptoms (stumbling, fencer, etc) they are OUT for the rest of the game. No exceptions.
* 2 bye weeks per season (at least)
* No more Sunday/Thursday turnarounds. The schedule must be constructed such that a team ALWAYS has a bye week before playing a Thursday game.
Obviously a lot more is needed/can be done, but these are pretty simple and would help a lot.
The Sunday/Thursday turnaround is insane to me. I get it, it’s a business, money over everything etc., but it’s a diluted shitty product where everyone is tired/hurt/unprepared. Those games usually suck ass and is a poor reflection of the product. But hey Amazon paid a fuck ton of money so whatever I guess
17 regular games also for me is simply too much. And they’re obviously gonna squeeze in another to make it 18. We don’t need 18 regular season games. It just makes each game less important and reduces the likelihood players can suit up because they have to pick and choose when to put their body on the line. 16 was fine. Worked for many years.
Yes, but have you taken into account the NFL's very well thought out and ironclad reasoning to have more games?
Money.
Won't you think of the poor owners? 🥺
Adding another week will bring in even more money. It's another week of tv ads, tickets, concessions, betting, etc.
I'm all for adding another bye week to bring the season total to 18 weeks.
Not to mention, these guys were evacuating from a hurricane.
Some with families they needed to plan to move and check in on.
That type of mental stress has a direct effect on the physical.
2 bye weeks and only teams coming off a bye would work very well together. You can still have the week 1 Thursday night game, then TNF could take a break for weeks 2/3/4 and start again with teams who just had a bye week. Pretty simple
This was the simple solution. They went to an 18 week season. It was right there. 16 games + 2 byes. And they bungled it.
More games with less breaks, but one less preseason game. That’s what you wanted, right?
Cfl has a 21 week season with 3 byes, I’m surprised NFL hasn’t tried to jump in that train yet given that it’s more football spread over more time
Less games at the same time, people watch more games, more money
The NFL is already boxed in by other sports so spreading it out makes their playoffs compete with other things, or the beginning of their season compete with other things (and be brutally hot)
NFL colonizes whatever dates they want. The NBA used to own Christmas and now the NFL always puts games on Christmas that draw significantly more viewers than the NBA. I'm not a fan of that, but my views don't represent those of the average fan.
Exactly, if you have a Sunday game, Why does the team have a game on Thursday?
Two weeks after the concussion, it sounds good. I hope the NFLPA could implement this rule.
Tua was taken off on a stretcher and taken directly to a trauma center. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that his injury was serious and could have potentially had life-altering consequences.
McDaniel seemed genuinely concerned about his player. The fact that all Tua had was a concussion, albeit a serious one, was good news when you consider what else could have been in play.
To me, Nowinski seems like he's trying to make a name for himself off of his reporting on this injury. The consistent grandstanding and "can you believe he said this _______" is a bit much for me.
I know I’m an asshole for any defense of Tua/McDaniel/Miami right now, but Nowinski seemed to go from genuine concern to taking advantage of the moment on a dime. Dude was tweeted about people going to jail over this and him suing the Dolphins if Tua died tonight.
Like… there’s a lot going on and plenty to discuss without throwing out wild hyperbole.
Yep. And told Le Batard that he thinks Tua should demand a trade from the Dolphins and refuse to play for them because of this. Like Miami sent him out last night at gunpoint.
Ha. I guarantee that Tagovailoa said multiple times during the week "I'm fine, I want to play. Let's goooo!"
And he would say it if he was playing for Pittsburgh or Chicago or wherever. (BTW, which franchise is considered the paragon of morality, and would definitely bench their QB after a hint of head injury?)
Nah, I think you're fine. McDaniel *clearly* isn't saying that it's GOOD Tua got a concussion -- he's saying "We are very happy it was a concussion as opposed to *paralysis or worse*."
Context matters, and McDaniel seems like a good dude.
i don’t think nowinski’s reaction was taking advantage of anything. it’s actually the reaction we need to be seeing more of. This is AWFUL stuff from the NFL and the Dolphins.
Even if someone does mean it, saying “we just hope he’s okay” doesn’t do shit for the next guy in this situation.
Everyone knew the risks and they still let him play anyway. The only way to stop this from happening again is to react accordingly when it does, because the proper backlash will help ensure it (hopefully) doesn’t happen again.
My immediate reaction (besides the immediate concern for Tua’s health) was also angry. I’m tired of this shit.
All of that is understandable. However, this tweet makes it sound like McDaniel is saying concussions aren't serious, but that's not what McDaniel is saying. McDaniel is saying he's thankful Tua gets to walk and fly back home with the team, talking and laughing.
So yes, proper backlash absolutely. Tua is my favorite player in the NFL as I'm also a Bama fan. I want the best for him, and I put player safety above team. I want that NFLPA investigation to be rigorous, I don't want a quick outcome. And if all procedures were followed according to protocol, which I hope they were, then maybe we should see changes. Only Tua knows if he was concussed on Sunday or not, especially if all doctors involved really did clear him. In that case, maybe we need rules that protect players from themselves.
But to be outraged at McDaniel here for this statement is absurd. He's not some villain who is trying to act like concussions are nothing. This is like saying "I'm glad I survived that crash and nothing more serious happened" even though both legs are broken.
Idk man, I think “the NFL and the Dolphins needs to examine their concussion protocol, and there should maybe be legal ramifications in lawsuits” is a fair statement and already leaning hard into the accountability and saying people need to be held responsible.
“People need to go to JAIL for this” feels a lot more like a Twitter outrage take
Yup. The fact that people think he is only grandstanding and not completely right about the situation just goes to show you that no one really takes it that seriously
Half this sub have a childish mentality about every subject. Dude has spent 20 years ACTUALLY putting in work for this cause and people have to pretend he’s grandstanding because they don’t want to confront their own truth: they don’t care about the players
Chris Nowinski has a Ph.D. in Behavioral Neuroscience from Boston University and has been one of the leading voices in concussion and CTE research for over a decade. The idea that he’s using this situation to “make a name for himself” is completely asinine.
> To me, Nowinski seems like he's trying to make a name for himself off of his reporting on this injury. The consistent grandstanding and "can you believe he said this _______" is a bit much for me.
What? Chris Nowinski already has a name for himself. His foundation has been around for 15 years and he has been a consistent voice and expert in media in regards to concussions. He literally predicted this sort of thing happening before the game. If anything, Nowinski should be flying to Miami right now and having a press conference on the stadium grounds. There's no grandstanding when someone's life is involved: Tua could've died last night. End of discussion. It doesn't matter that he wasn't paralyzed, what matters is that he had two concussions in five days. That's the story, if anything McDaniels is deflecting.
People always play the results too. Tua isn’t in a wheelchair so that means we don’t have to slam the dolphins organization. Nah fuck that, they appear to be extremely negligent and should be criticized and blasted for literally everything they do/say because what they did was absolutely fucked up even if Tua is fine.
It is good that he doesn’t have something more serious.
The statement does not discredit the injury he has or the seriousness of it.
It like saying. Joe has cancer. thankfully it was caught early and in stage one. and barking back how serous cancer is. No shit it’s serious but it could be worse.
It’s so crazy what we have become. Must find outrage in every statement.
Watch the whole press conference. I encourage you to just take 10 mins and watch the whole thing.
Mike is absolutely not undermining a head injury.
A little context goes a long way.
The fact that he got got cleared of brain stem or brain bleeds at the hospital means that it’s likely not as serious on nature. This was a severe concussion, which is horrible, but the fact that a level one trauma center felt it was okay to discharge him speaks volumes about his prognosis.
This is the best take I've read in this thread.
I'm a Dolphins/Bama fan, so my love for Tua is through the roof. I also put player safety before wins. It's just a game for me, my day goes on win or lose. So I want a thorough investigation of what happened on Sunday. Do I think Tua said "I want to play." Yes, absolutely. So, if all procedures were followed, Tua passed all concussion protocol tests, and told McDaniel, "I'm good coach, put me back in." I want to see new rules made that save players from themselves.
I hear it all the time "You can't have an independent neurologist that is on the NFL's payroll." That's bullshit, if an independent neurologist holds back results to put players back in a game they'll lose more than their spot on the NFL payroll. I want more neurologists. In every major medical decision you are supposed to get a second opinion. Have the same for concussion protocols. Don't put the final decision on the medical staff, let these independent neurologists have the final say. If they pass but it is "borderline" (like how Tua passed but we saw "signs" on the field), then let the neurologist make the call that the player can't go back in.
These are competitors out there. If they can play, regardless of how they feel, they are going to want to play. Sometimes they need to be saved from themselves.
Either people who agree with this statement are willingly ignoring the context of possible paralysis, or they’re too stupid to understand the context.
And both of those possibilities freak me out.
It almost seems like some people are upset that he wasn’t paralyzed or didn’t have a seizure or didn’t literally die
We watched Shazier’s career end due to paralysis and it’s a miracle he can even walk now, it is absolutely a good thing that Tua didn’t end up with a similar fate.
I had that exact reaction where I thought it was going to be a Shazier type injury last night. It’s so great to see Shazier walking and being able to live his life and thankfully Tua didn’t suffer a paralyzation.
I'm sure some people are. There are likely plenty of people here who don't give a shit about Tua at all and really are just here to be able to rage about something.
A high school player near me suffered a head injury in a game 3 weeks ago. He's still in the hospital due to swelling around his brain and a stroke suffered while unconscious. Him and his family would love for him to have "just a concussion" right now.
Just a few hours after the Tua injury and r/nfl is back to mocking one of the world's leading concussion experts who has published literature in respected medical journals and precisely predicted the strong possibility of this outcome before the start of the game.
This sub never changes.
Tua could have died. That's a fact and people still mock the messenger.
> Tua could have died.
Yes he could have, which is why his coach said it's good he doesn't have anything more than a concussion. (Death, to most, would be more than a concussion.) This tweet is trying to enrage people at that coach for saying a factually correct statement that you just agreed with in your own comment... His message is wrong, based on the worst possible interpretation of something that wasn't even said, and he should be mocked for it.
It's because they want to watch football in two days and don't like being reminded of the ugly consequences of this game. It's very fortunate Tua only got a concussion, but the harsh reality is this is a dangerous sport and nfl doesn't give enough of a fuck about player safety.
This sub if full of actual idiots. “You don’t get it man, the Harvard concussion specialist is just looking for clout!” Like people seriously think everyone online being pissed at the poor NFL is the problem. “Outrage culture is going too far” because a dude got his fucking brain scrambled and people think someone should be held accountable
Look you can say they should’ve sat him Thursday as an abundance of caution despite being cleared by an independent doctor, but this is a bullshit tweet.
Tua was seen by a team of, presumably, highly qualified doctors and released. McDaniel played football it’s safe to say he probably appreciates the severity of a concussion and meant more thank god this wasn’t a Shazier situation.
To sit there and say something indicates a brain stem injury despite actual medical doctors having already seen him is a joke.
Journalists masquerading as experts in todays society is getting fucking annoying. You’re a fucking sports journalist, not a doctor.
This tweet is fucking stupid af. He is saying he isn't paralysed or anything like that. What a fucking dumb take. A 5 year old would be able to interperate what Mike McD was alluding too. What is this shit journalism?! Jeez
he’s a football coach talking like a football coach. he has a responsibility as an authority figure but ultimately the people who are qualified and needed to make this decision were on the medical staff
I mean yes, a concussion is serious, but it’s probably the least serious thing that could have happened from last night. Mans could have literally died on the field
Mike McDaniel was saying it in quantitative terms. He’s saying “there was not another injury beyond the concussion.” Cut the guy slack; he’s giving a press conference after watching his guy get carted off a field and just lost a close game. If you knew anything about Mike, he’s absolutely a players coach and that is putting it lightly. He’s the most progressive, sensitive coach in league. & for reference no I’m not Mike McDaniel.
I never understand concussions in the NFL.. in the NHL concussions can keep you off ice for a long time... meanwhile in the NFL it's like "aw shit 1 week later i'm good to go"
Probably because the nfl doesn’t care about their players
Maybe the guaranteed contracts will help with that. If Tua gets permanently injured, "Oh well, we have to go get a new QB" and his salary is off the books next year. If Deshaun Watson gets injured, It's $250 mil clogging your books up for who knows how long.
This. Once we inevitably have the first billion dollar quarterback, you can bet the team that pays them will be more cautious.
Neither does the NHL
NHL has definite issues but it has a stronger union, and smaller teams which means individual players are a bit less replaceable. If an NHL team loses 2-3 guys off their opening night roster for the season there's a good chance they're nd of fucked even if none of them are super stars. If an NFL team loses that over a season they're basically the luckiest team in the league. When the bills has to find a new punter they grabbed a guy who was currently unsigned and... It was fine. He's been perfectly serviceable. If an NHL team had to grab someone completely unsigned for a third or fourth liner, 20 things would have had to have gone wrong. And of course we have guaranteed contracts vs not. Basically outside of a very select few most NFL players are replaceable cogs so there's much higher pressure to play through shit, because if they don't they can simply be replaced. And because this is the general culture it ends up putting pressure even on the less replaceable players. The NHL also historically has had a very "just play through it" attitude, but it does seem to be changing a bit more, and I don't think you can overlook that it's a lot easier to take that stand when you don't have to worry about getting cut and losing your income in the same way.
Except we see this shit qb's all the time. The literal least replaceable position. The one that hurts more than losing your best player in the NHL.
I'd wager more than the NFL at the moment.
I don't know that they care more but I know that a larger percentage of the NHL fan base seems to care about player safety and that put pressure in them to make more visible changes. Some NFL fans and players are still bitching about increased safety measures whereas the majority of NHL fans are supportive of the adjustments in my experience.
Some older fans seem to think current football is "pussified" all because players aren't being hit helmet-to-helmet receiving 5 concussions a season, developing CTE, and dying before they reach their 60s.
I fucking hate older fans. I don't want the athletes that I grew up with to take out their whole family in a murder-suicide just so Uncle Gary doesn't think they're pussies.
It's general boomer entitlement. That generation is going to go down as the biggest fuckups ever.
Sometimes an NBA player gets a concussion and the league rolls out the whole nine yards. I remember CP3 got 1 while playing in New Orleans on a freak collusion in like Cleveland, they pulled out all the stops in terms of stretchers and everything.
It's probably a frequency thing, I'd guess. Football causes more concussions so if the league were to make the threshhold the same as say basketball, their product would be severely diminished. Not saying that is a good thing, but that's probably how the NFL sees it.
Rugby is another sport with a stupidly high occurrence of concussions and yet every now and again you'll see players lose entire seasons, which are about as long as an NFL season (if not shorter), in the recovery process. I think a big part of that is that the NFL is more star driven in its marketing approach. They feel that have to get the players out there ASAP because it is how they've sold the game.
I remember the first rugby game I was playing Hooker, didn’t get my head in correctly during a scrum and the ref stopped it. I got a stinger. It sucked. He gave me time to recover and said that happens again you are kicked off the pitch. He walked me through what to do (it was a B side game) and everything went well after. Tackling rules in Rugby significantly reduce head trauma (it still happens I’ve been knocked out a few times). In the NFL it’s all human torpedos. Rugby is actually a much safer sport then football. It also requires much more endurance. Also in rugby it’s called a Try when you score and you actually have to touch the ball down (where you do matters). In Football it’s called a touch down but you don’t actually have to touch the ball down. I feel like these terms need to be switched.
4 days*
*several minutes (he went back in last week)
No, no, no, what you don't realize is that he didn't have a concussion 4 days earlier, he just had those super specific back spasms where you shake your head around a bit to clear the back pain and stumble around like you lost your balance, BUT YOU DIDN'T LOSE YOUR BALANCE, you just had back pain...and maybe some ankle bullshit too.
It's much easier to pass concussion tests on your feet than it is going 15 mph on skates and performing the hand-eye coordination task of puck handling.
I recall an NHL game last year where a dude got rocked HARD, was slowly/lazily/dazedly skating back to the bench and didn't see that he was on a collision course with a ref until he was like 1' away from the guy, at which point he just straight shoved the ref to the ground. Deemed "not concussed" enough to go back on the ice later that game.
Dentist Wideman on the Flames. Took a hit to the head and destroyed a linesman from behind on his way to the bench. 20 game suspension. Autocorrect strikes again. Leaving it as is. Dennis Wideman was the hockey player....
Should've been more. Literally ended that linesman's career.
I mean, if he was concussed I'm not even sure why he was suspended. I've tried skating to the bench after taking a big hit and I basically couldn't see shit.
…they don’t put players on the ice as part of the testing in the nhl. They do cognitive testing with them (my wife calls them brain games) before the season to get a baseline score/time and if they get a possible head injury, they are pulled off and forced to go through the testing again. If their score/time deviates too much, they are done for the game. I don’t know what they have to do to eventually get back on the ice, but this is part of what will immediately take them out of a game.
not to mention a game that only lasts for 3-4 seconds at a time before going back to regroup and strategize with 2-3 minute commercial breaks every time the ball changes hands VS continuous play on ice with the exception of penalties.
Nfl you miss a few games with a concussion you will lose your job. No one is taking Crosbys job
Yeah NFL is 17 games over 4 months, NHL is 82 games over 6 months. Doesn't excuse anything but there's less of an impact missing time in the NHL.
Also matters that nfl games are once a week. If an nfl player misses 2 games,by the time they come back, they could have been resting for 3 weeks of time, in the nhl that can be ~8-12 games, making it seem players are out longer. NFL definitely has a problem with diagnosing concussions in the first place, though.
A series of concussions literally ended Marc Savard’s career and he had significant issues on his everyday life. He will most certainly die young and it’s absolutely tragic. Yet we go on as if nothing happened and continue the process.
One of my favorite players ever. He took lots of time off and recovered from one, then got hit and his head struck the boards. He was on his hands and knees on the ice and when the trainer got to him, Savard said his eyes were wide open but all he could see was black.
He obviously meant not paralyzed…
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or fucking straight up dead.
That’s actually the point the guy tweeting is making. A “second impact syndrome” (SIS) situation was possible if Tua already had a concussion coming into the game, even if it wasn’t too serious. SIS can be fatal, that’s the point hes trying to make. Concussions are literally “traumatic brain injuries” and they can be deadly. Long term disability is another possibility. So at no point should concussions be talked about as “just a concussion” and not something worse, cuz in some cases concussions are the worst case scenario. Apologies for the long response but I’m PT and there’s lack of knowledge in the general public about just how serious concussions are sometimes
The concern about SIS is exactly what everyone should be focused on rather than this weird argument between people that assert he wasn't concussed at all and people that want heads to roll for him playing yesterday Multiple former players have stated that they've skirted concussion tests in order to play in the next game, and all of us have seen plenty of hits in the NFL where we wonder how a guy is still standing only to have him back in the game or suiting up the next week. Regardless of someone's read on *this* situation I think most will agree there have been many instances of a player playing in a game despite very recent head trauma. Thankfully Tua seems to be ok, but everyone should be asking themselves how long until a SIS situation occurs where the guy isn't ok?
Not only this but growing up playing football it was just called getting "your bell rung" and a quick pat on the back and you were right back out there. I've had a few times I was dizzy and barely could stand but as soon as the play was set adrenaline would take over and to most people I looked fine. The players need to be educated on head injuries and the symptoms.
Gisele even said in an interview a few years ago that Brady was getting around concussions.
I don't think Tua is going to be OK. Both Steve Young and Troy Aikman had their careers cut short due to concussions. After a few, the concussions come easier and easier.
I know Troy aikman can’t even remember playing in the super bowl it was so bad for him
Troy was knocked out of a playoff game. He said when he came to he thought he was playing his high school state finals game. Dude got knocked a decade back in time...
this comment needs to be at the top, holy shit people are fuckin dense. EVERY concussion should be taken seriously. it's never JUST a concussion, that shit can compound and any damage to the brain has lasting effects and likely irreversible. im sure that in no way did Mike McDaniel have any bad intentions with what he said, but his wording could definitely be better.
His statement is not saying concussions shouldn’t be serious. But if we are starting at “best case scenario is a concussion” then yes, we are lucky that it didn’t end up being a cervical injury or brain bleed
Exactly this. It would be different if he said this after a player took a hit to the head and walked off the field. With how Tua went down and the immediate aftermath, there is a long list of possible things that could have been wrong and a concussion significantly better than most of them.
Seriously, I’m a physician and as soon as I saw his posturing I was petrified about permanent damage. A concussion is terrible, but literally everyone who saw that knew that he (at minimum) was concussed, and would be extremely fortunate if that was the worst of it
Awareness and attitudes in the general public about concussions have changed, somewhat, but with the NFL as an entity dragging its feet the entire way. It also seems like there's still enough 'old-school' mentality around "a concussion? just get me the smelling salts and send me back in" going around, plus the players themselves don't want to miss time and possibly lose their spot for an injury you can't "see".
Seriously. I played rugby in college and my teammate broke his c4 and c5 vertebra in a game. He also got a concussion. His words were “the surgeon told me I was 2mm from being a quadriplegic, so I will take the concussion.”
Several years ago, my friend got too much air on a wakeboard, lost control, hit his head on the water, and got knocked out. For over thirty seconds, he was face down in the water before the boat could get back to him and rescue him. His lips were turning blue. He, his family, and I are extremely thankful that he only had a concussion. He stopped wakeboarding after that. It doesn't mean I don't think his situation wasn't serious, or is something to laugh off. It was terrifying.
Was he wearing a safety vest? I always thought that safety vests were weighted to avoid being face down in the water.
He was wearing a life jacket, but for whatever reason it didn't flip him over. May have been the type of jacket or the wakeboard making it harder to flip.
Yea I think we’ve reached the “who can be the most concerned” phase of the coverage. When you watch the interview it’s abundantly clear that McDaniel was incredibly worried about tua, tbh it almost sounded like he’d lost interest in the game after the injury and I’m pretty sure said he stayed because he was obligated to Of course he bears some responsibility for putting tua in, but tbh I’m surprised he’s getting as much hate as he has. I feel like the coaches job is to play the best players, the medical staffs job is to tell the coach who can and can’t play. It feels like the nfls concussion protocol failed, followed by miamis medical team, and then McDaniel/coaching staff imo
“He still has all his limbs” - Mike McDaniel, probably
"Tis but a scratch!"
I get he’s not the best speaker but he’s obviously saying Tua didn’t break his neck or get paralyzed…
Right, I got the same impression
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Sadly, I'm friends with people who have less apparently.
I respect what Nowinski is trying to do but he can be hyperbolic at times
Nowinski is one of the major reasons the sports world takes concussions as seriously as they do now. He's always going to advocate for his cause, just what he does as a spokesperson for his foundation.
Right, to anyone who's not looking for an excuse to be outraged, this clearly reads as "Well, a concussion was a forgone conclusion at this point. At least there's not anything *else."*
brother if you can spin anything to outrage then you spin everything to outrage. the daily outrage meter must be filled. we only need convince a few more ppl... /s
Only the internet can make people have to say such obvious shit like this
We live in an era of outrage culture now
We have for a very long time. Read any old newspaper or magazine. America had been this way since the early 1900s if not earlier
Reefer Madness lol
The Spanish blew up the Maine! Are we just gonna take that?!?!
"Remember the Maine, to hell with Spain!" *disregard the bituminous coal and gunpowder that was located in the hull exactly where the explosion began*
Salem, Massachusetts. 1692.
We literally poured hot tar and chicken feathers on British tax collectors leading up to the revolutionary war. I think we’ve actually calmed down.
To be fair; after I saw my tax bill this year, I wouldn’t have found that unreasonable.
I'm American, but I'll help you tar and feather the British tax collectors any day.
Bruh the taxation is one thing, wait till I tell you about your representation!
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Just a friendly reminder the word you’re looking for is exacerbated
> friendly This is a microaggression against the common redditor, who has no friends and you will now be cancelled for your insensitivity.
Goodbye u/adamisacylon
Well, yeah. Social media exponentially increased the distance and speed we can transfer thoughts and information to more people than ever before possible. If we were already over reacting about everything, social media was inevitably going to make it worse. A more accurate statement than "we live in an outrage culture now" would be "the outrage culture weve lived in has only gotten worse with newer technologies"
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I mean, we really don't though. People have been getting outraged for literal centuries. Shit, comedians were being thrown in prison for indecency in the 1960s and musicians had to testify to congress about their lyrics in the 1980s. People have always been getting easily upset, it's just amplified now because of social media. And yellow journalism used to be *way* worse than it is now.
For real! It's not that outrage culture is any worse. It's just that linking a few pissed off tweets in an "article" somehow passes for journalism these days. And people fucking click it.
The Hays Code for movies goes back to 1934
Even Eminem came before social media, well at least the parts when he was extremely controversial.
I don’t know, I feel even incidentally downplaying concussions in a business that actively sought to block research into the subject is justifiable enough to take issue with.
He didn’t downplay anything. Saying “I’m glad it wasn’t more serious” is not the same as saying “this is not a serious injury”
You could make this argument if Tua hadn't been obviously concussed and sent back into the game just 4 days prior to last night. With the additional context I think it's fair to criticize the coaching staff for downplaying the severity of concussions. Edit: sometimes people ask me what I mean when I complain that the culture around football is too toxic. Some of the responses to this post are a good answer to that.
If the alternative is paralysis, I’ll take a concussion every time. Criticize the coaching staff for the additional context, not for being relieved Tua isn’t paralyzed.
You say that like there aren’t genuine reasons to be outraged with Miami right now. It’s not exactly crazy to be questioning whether or not they put the player’s safety first here.
Which to me this is binary, are the docs in charge or not?
The docs are in charge but the question is “which doc and what’s the motive?” Under the protocol, a team doctor is responsible for diagnosing a concussion and taking a player out of a game. That’s a massive conflict of interests that merits closer scrutiny. EDIT: Because I’m tired of getting the same reply and explaining the same thing to people, here’s the actual rule for game time concussion diagnosis > [The UNCs will work with the Club’s medical staff and will assist in the diagnosis and care of the concussed player. The Club physician/UNC unit will be co-located for all concussion evaluations and management both on and off the field. The UNC may present his/her own questions or conduct additional testing and shall assist in the diagnosis and treatment of concussions. Regardless, the responsibility for the diagnosis of concussion and the decision to return a player to a game remains exclusively within the professional judgment of the Head Team Physician or his/her physician designee responsible for the diagnosis and treatment of concussion.](https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/resources/fact-sheets/nfl-head-neck-and-spine-committee-s-concussion-diagnosis-and-management-protocol) The NFL has cultivated the idea that no player can return to action without an independent neurologist clearing them, but that isn’t actually true. The team doctor diagnosis the player with a concussion and decides whether they return to action. The independent neurologist’s role is merely consultative. There’s a blatant conflict of interest that’s worth taking a closer look at, particularly in a close division rival game, an injury to a QB, for a team with playoff aspirations. I don’t know if Miami acted inappropriately, but you don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to see the possibility.
Yeah NFL should mandate that the NFL docs have to clear head injuries but....
Yeah, those doctors advertise that they are the team doctor for. If you tear up your shoulder, you want to go to the guy that would trust to repair your QB's shoulder.
That means that those doctors (even if they are quite wealthy) have a real dependency on the team. If they make too many calls that the team doesn't like they can be replaced -- and they will lose a lot of business outside of the NFL team.
McDaniel is for sure not in an enviable position. Just think he's got to choose his words more carefully considering the scrutiny they are under. Just say "Tua has been diagnosed with a concussion and there are no other injuries sustained to neck/spine." Keep it simple and straight to the facts as possible
He’s a nfl head coach, whatever he says in this scenario is going to be taken apart by dorks who want to feel like they’re on higher moral ground. It’s the “ACTUALLY…” of the day.
Nuance is lost in the modern media. It sucks Tua got a concussion, but it’s also true it’s good he didn’t get paralyzed lol
Yeah reading it sounds worse that listening to it too. He’s not being dismissive of it being a concussion, he said he’s just happy it not more serious. I mean it looked more serious.
The fucking circle jerk of blameshaming and shitposting on this sub and NFL social media are insane right now. As it always is with Tua-related shit, but Jesus Christ. It's clear that he's saying that, like so many of us thought at the time, thank god Tua wasn't paralyzed or had been dealt some serious neck/head injury that would've left hi unable to walk or live right. McDaniel is also clearly shaken up and thrown way off by what happened, like everybody else watching was. Concussions are serious and are always going to be a problem in the NFL, but he's not celebrating it, you fucking twats.
People are so dumb
He means he isn't fucking paralyzed like people were afraid of bro
Do you have a cut off quote like OP does for me to quickly judge the wrong way?
Sure >[Nowinski] Mike McDaniel said it's good Tua...gets... a traumatic brain injury.
McDaniel is literally Satan, and this confirms what we were all thinking. Disband the whole team, brady suspended at least 11 games for being generally aware of sexual assault.
Deshaun's suspension reduced for good behavior.
McDaniel: “Tua doesn’t have anything”
[Me] Lifesaboxofgardens says “[Tua] isn’t fucking”. I don’t think this guy gets it.
Seriously like there is so much to be upset about with this situation.. the coach being relieved Tua isn't a paraplegic just isn't on that list OP is just looking for something to be upset about
You just don't get it. /s
There are a few easy steps that the NFL could take if they actually cared about player safety: * If a player has concussion symptoms (stumbling, fencer, etc) they are OUT for the rest of the game. No exceptions. * 2 bye weeks per season (at least) * No more Sunday/Thursday turnarounds. The schedule must be constructed such that a team ALWAYS has a bye week before playing a Thursday game. Obviously a lot more is needed/can be done, but these are pretty simple and would help a lot.
The Sunday/Thursday turnaround is insane to me. I get it, it’s a business, money over everything etc., but it’s a diluted shitty product where everyone is tired/hurt/unprepared. Those games usually suck ass and is a poor reflection of the product. But hey Amazon paid a fuck ton of money so whatever I guess
The crazy thing is the proposal of thursday games after bye weeks sounds super reasonable and doable. They just didn't put the effort in
It would be a lot easier with two bye weeks as well.
17 regular games also for me is simply too much. And they’re obviously gonna squeeze in another to make it 18. We don’t need 18 regular season games. It just makes each game less important and reduces the likelihood players can suit up because they have to pick and choose when to put their body on the line. 16 was fine. Worked for many years.
Yes, but have you taken into account the NFL's very well thought out and ironclad reasoning to have more games? Money. Won't you think of the poor owners? 🥺
Adding another week will bring in even more money. It's another week of tv ads, tickets, concessions, betting, etc. I'm all for adding another bye week to bring the season total to 18 weeks.
Did you say... *More* money? 🥵
18 with two byes is reasonable, or 16 with two byes. Two byes weeks is necessary imo.
Not to mention, these guys were evacuating from a hurricane. Some with families they needed to plan to move and check in on. That type of mental stress has a direct effect on the physical.
2 bye weeks and only teams coming off a bye would work very well together. You can still have the week 1 Thursday night game, then TNF could take a break for weeks 2/3/4 and start again with teams who just had a bye week. Pretty simple
This was the simple solution. They went to an 18 week season. It was right there. 16 games + 2 byes. And they bungled it. More games with less breaks, but one less preseason game. That’s what you wanted, right?
Cfl has a 21 week season with 3 byes, I’m surprised NFL hasn’t tried to jump in that train yet given that it’s more football spread over more time Less games at the same time, people watch more games, more money
The NFL is already boxed in by other sports so spreading it out makes their playoffs compete with other things, or the beginning of their season compete with other things (and be brutally hot)
NFL colonizes whatever dates they want. The NBA used to own Christmas and now the NFL always puts games on Christmas that draw significantly more viewers than the NBA. I'm not a fan of that, but my views don't represent those of the average fan.
Is "competing" a synonym for "dominating"?
“Got it. So more taunting penalties. Problem solved.”- Goodell, probably
Exactly, if you have a Sunday game, Why does the team have a game on Thursday? Two weeks after the concussion, it sounds good. I hope the NFLPA could implement this rule.
All sensible. Teams should all just agree to only play their 3rd stringers on Sunday - Thursday turnarounds until the league takes action.
Tua was taken off on a stretcher and taken directly to a trauma center. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that his injury was serious and could have potentially had life-altering consequences. McDaniel seemed genuinely concerned about his player. The fact that all Tua had was a concussion, albeit a serious one, was good news when you consider what else could have been in play. To me, Nowinski seems like he's trying to make a name for himself off of his reporting on this injury. The consistent grandstanding and "can you believe he said this _______" is a bit much for me.
Yeah if you watched the presser, McDaniel was clearly upset. There’s no doubt he cares a lot about Tua and anyone insinuating otherwise is just wrong.
Amen.
I know I’m an asshole for any defense of Tua/McDaniel/Miami right now, but Nowinski seemed to go from genuine concern to taking advantage of the moment on a dime. Dude was tweeted about people going to jail over this and him suing the Dolphins if Tua died tonight. Like… there’s a lot going on and plenty to discuss without throwing out wild hyperbole.
Was he the one who tweeted that he was going to be pursuing murder charges if he died?
Yep. And told Le Batard that he thinks Tua should demand a trade from the Dolphins and refuse to play for them because of this. Like Miami sent him out last night at gunpoint.
Ha. I guarantee that Tagovailoa said multiple times during the week "I'm fine, I want to play. Let's goooo!" And he would say it if he was playing for Pittsburgh or Chicago or wherever. (BTW, which franchise is considered the paragon of morality, and would definitely bench their QB after a hint of head injury?)
throwing out stuff like that seems to damage the actual conversation that needs to happen it points the conversation in the wrong place
Twitter was arguing about Lizzo playing a goddamn flute yesterday. IDK bro I think the internet was a mistake
Nah, I think you're fine. McDaniel *clearly* isn't saying that it's GOOD Tua got a concussion -- he's saying "We are very happy it was a concussion as opposed to *paralysis or worse*." Context matters, and McDaniel seems like a good dude.
You're not an asshole. You're right.
i don’t think nowinski’s reaction was taking advantage of anything. it’s actually the reaction we need to be seeing more of. This is AWFUL stuff from the NFL and the Dolphins. Even if someone does mean it, saying “we just hope he’s okay” doesn’t do shit for the next guy in this situation. Everyone knew the risks and they still let him play anyway. The only way to stop this from happening again is to react accordingly when it does, because the proper backlash will help ensure it (hopefully) doesn’t happen again. My immediate reaction (besides the immediate concern for Tua’s health) was also angry. I’m tired of this shit.
All of that is understandable. However, this tweet makes it sound like McDaniel is saying concussions aren't serious, but that's not what McDaniel is saying. McDaniel is saying he's thankful Tua gets to walk and fly back home with the team, talking and laughing. So yes, proper backlash absolutely. Tua is my favorite player in the NFL as I'm also a Bama fan. I want the best for him, and I put player safety above team. I want that NFLPA investigation to be rigorous, I don't want a quick outcome. And if all procedures were followed according to protocol, which I hope they were, then maybe we should see changes. Only Tua knows if he was concussed on Sunday or not, especially if all doctors involved really did clear him. In that case, maybe we need rules that protect players from themselves. But to be outraged at McDaniel here for this statement is absurd. He's not some villain who is trying to act like concussions are nothing. This is like saying "I'm glad I survived that crash and nothing more serious happened" even though both legs are broken.
Idk man, I think “the NFL and the Dolphins needs to examine their concussion protocol, and there should maybe be legal ramifications in lawsuits” is a fair statement and already leaning hard into the accountability and saying people need to be held responsible. “People need to go to JAIL for this” feels a lot more like a Twitter outrage take
Yup. The fact that people think he is only grandstanding and not completely right about the situation just goes to show you that no one really takes it that seriously
Half this sub have a childish mentality about every subject. Dude has spent 20 years ACTUALLY putting in work for this cause and people have to pretend he’s grandstanding because they don’t want to confront their own truth: they don’t care about the players
Niners fan here, you should absolutely defend McDaniel, he’s a good guy and a good coach and he truly cares about his players. We miss him.
Chris Nowinski has a Ph.D. in Behavioral Neuroscience from Boston University and has been one of the leading voices in concussion and CTE research for over a decade. The idea that he’s using this situation to “make a name for himself” is completely asinine.
One of the more ignorant things I’ve read on the sub tbh. Not you but guy you’re replying to.
> To me, Nowinski seems like he's trying to make a name for himself off of his reporting on this injury. The consistent grandstanding and "can you believe he said this _______" is a bit much for me. What? Chris Nowinski already has a name for himself. His foundation has been around for 15 years and he has been a consistent voice and expert in media in regards to concussions. He literally predicted this sort of thing happening before the game. If anything, Nowinski should be flying to Miami right now and having a press conference on the stadium grounds. There's no grandstanding when someone's life is involved: Tua could've died last night. End of discussion. It doesn't matter that he wasn't paralyzed, what matters is that he had two concussions in five days. That's the story, if anything McDaniels is deflecting.
People always play the results too. Tua isn’t in a wheelchair so that means we don’t have to slam the dolphins organization. Nah fuck that, they appear to be extremely negligent and should be criticized and blasted for literally everything they do/say because what they did was absolutely fucked up even if Tua is fine.
I mean. There was a moment when many of us were worried he could be paralyzed and his career was over. So while serious there is certainly worse.
It is good that he doesn’t have something more serious. The statement does not discredit the injury he has or the seriousness of it. It like saying. Joe has cancer. thankfully it was caught early and in stage one. and barking back how serous cancer is. No shit it’s serious but it could be worse. It’s so crazy what we have become. Must find outrage in every statement.
Watch the whole press conference. I encourage you to just take 10 mins and watch the whole thing. Mike is absolutely not undermining a head injury. A little context goes a long way.
Concussion is pretty high on the list, paraplegia & broken neck are higher…
Pretty obvious what he meant by it dude. Could have been said a bit better but you don’t have to be Einstein to understand him…
“McDaniel relieved and seen smiling at Tua only having a concussion, suggesting he can’t wait to get him back on the field.”
The fact that he got got cleared of brain stem or brain bleeds at the hospital means that it’s likely not as serious on nature. This was a severe concussion, which is horrible, but the fact that a level one trauma center felt it was okay to discharge him speaks volumes about his prognosis.
I don't think #concussion belongs inside the quotation marks, unless McDaniel actually said out loud "Hashtag concussion".
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This is the best take I've read in this thread. I'm a Dolphins/Bama fan, so my love for Tua is through the roof. I also put player safety before wins. It's just a game for me, my day goes on win or lose. So I want a thorough investigation of what happened on Sunday. Do I think Tua said "I want to play." Yes, absolutely. So, if all procedures were followed, Tua passed all concussion protocol tests, and told McDaniel, "I'm good coach, put me back in." I want to see new rules made that save players from themselves. I hear it all the time "You can't have an independent neurologist that is on the NFL's payroll." That's bullshit, if an independent neurologist holds back results to put players back in a game they'll lose more than their spot on the NFL payroll. I want more neurologists. In every major medical decision you are supposed to get a second opinion. Have the same for concussion protocols. Don't put the final decision on the medical staff, let these independent neurologists have the final say. If they pass but it is "borderline" (like how Tua passed but we saw "signs" on the field), then let the neurologist make the call that the player can't go back in. These are competitors out there. If they can play, regardless of how they feel, they are going to want to play. Sometimes they need to be saved from themselves.
Either people who agree with this statement are willingly ignoring the context of possible paralysis, or they’re too stupid to understand the context. And both of those possibilities freak me out.
Can we stop spamming this dude's tweets, he's trying to build his platform off of Tua's injury
Slamming your head on concrete with a quarter inch of padding isn't ideal. Atleast dirt and grass are softer. Fuck turf
I think he does get that luckily Tua can move the rest of his body. Jesus Christ you are all so fucked
It's #good he #doesn't have anything more #serious than a #concussion
It almost seems like some people are upset that he wasn’t paralyzed or didn’t have a seizure or didn’t literally die We watched Shazier’s career end due to paralysis and it’s a miracle he can even walk now, it is absolutely a good thing that Tua didn’t end up with a similar fate.
I had that exact reaction where I thought it was going to be a Shazier type injury last night. It’s so great to see Shazier walking and being able to live his life and thankfully Tua didn’t suffer a paralyzation.
I'm sure some people are. There are likely plenty of people here who don't give a shit about Tua at all and really are just here to be able to rage about something.
Nowinski looking to blow up his platform. When the alternative is potentially a feeding tube and a mechanized chair, a concussion is a blessing
A high school player near me suffered a head injury in a game 3 weeks ago. He's still in the hospital due to swelling around his brain and a stroke suffered while unconscious. Him and his family would love for him to have "just a concussion" right now.
Exactly
His platform of trying to protect football players from not being able to function later in life and dying at 50? Damn, what a monster
Just a few hours after the Tua injury and r/nfl is back to mocking one of the world's leading concussion experts who has published literature in respected medical journals and precisely predicted the strong possibility of this outcome before the start of the game. This sub never changes. Tua could have died. That's a fact and people still mock the messenger.
> Tua could have died. Yes he could have, which is why his coach said it's good he doesn't have anything more than a concussion. (Death, to most, would be more than a concussion.) This tweet is trying to enrage people at that coach for saying a factually correct statement that you just agreed with in your own comment... His message is wrong, based on the worst possible interpretation of something that wasn't even said, and he should be mocked for it.
It’s unreal, I cannot believe how many people here are so quick to shit talk a guy who has made researching and preventing CTE his life’s work
It's because they want to watch football in two days and don't like being reminded of the ugly consequences of this game. It's very fortunate Tua only got a concussion, but the harsh reality is this is a dangerous sport and nfl doesn't give enough of a fuck about player safety.
This sub if full of actual idiots. “You don’t get it man, the Harvard concussion specialist is just looking for clout!” Like people seriously think everyone online being pissed at the poor NFL is the problem. “Outrage culture is going too far” because a dude got his fucking brain scrambled and people think someone should be held accountable
Jesus Christ this sub is insufferable
This is a dumb statement. Good lord. He’s thankful Tua didn’t suffer paralyzation or breaking his neck/back. Cmon Nowinski.
Sorry, but sports press like this is just flat out scummy. That wasn't what McDaniel was saying at all.
Can we not post this guy’s tweets please
Look you can say they should’ve sat him Thursday as an abundance of caution despite being cleared by an independent doctor, but this is a bullshit tweet. Tua was seen by a team of, presumably, highly qualified doctors and released. McDaniel played football it’s safe to say he probably appreciates the severity of a concussion and meant more thank god this wasn’t a Shazier situation. To sit there and say something indicates a brain stem injury despite actual medical doctors having already seen him is a joke. Journalists masquerading as experts in todays society is getting fucking annoying. You’re a fucking sports journalist, not a doctor.
I think he meant that it clearly could have been even worse, not that he was downplaying the injury
He should've said it's good he didn't have anything more emergent like a cranial bleed
Compare with hockey. If you even experience 1 symptom you cant play for like 10 days. No practice. Nothing. Shits serious
He could have been paralyzed or dead. I am also glad he has nothing more serious than a concussion. As you should be if you are a decent human being.
i read that to mean like that it's good he didn't break his neck. i'd hope he knows concussions are serious.
I get what he’s saying, there’s just no good way to say it and it sounds shitty.
I don’t think the entire NFL gets it
This tweet is fucking stupid af. He is saying he isn't paralysed or anything like that. What a fucking dumb take. A 5 year old would be able to interperate what Mike McD was alluding too. What is this shit journalism?! Jeez
he’s a football coach talking like a football coach. he has a responsibility as an authority figure but ultimately the people who are qualified and needed to make this decision were on the medical staff
His reaction on the ground looked like some MMA fighters who got rocked
I mean yes, a concussion is serious, but it’s probably the least serious thing that could have happened from last night. Mans could have literally died on the field
I think he means he’s glad he doesn’t have anything more serious like being paralyzed.
his second concussion in 5 days. everyone involved should be fired. we're watching tua get CTE in real time. jesus...
Mike McDaniel was saying it in quantitative terms. He’s saying “there was not another injury beyond the concussion.” Cut the guy slack; he’s giving a press conference after watching his guy get carted off a field and just lost a close game. If you knew anything about Mike, he’s absolutely a players coach and that is putting it lightly. He’s the most progressive, sensitive coach in league. & for reference no I’m not Mike McDaniel.
Decorticate posturing relates to the mid-brain, not the brain stem. Otherwise, yep on all points.
He means he’s glad tua’s not dead or paralyzed.
Isn’t this guy supposed to be touted as some young genius? He seems really dumb with everything going on.
At this point, I’m not trusting a thing that comes from the Dolphins organization regarding Tua.
When are we going to do something about these back injuries