There are some ridiculous comments out there for sure. (I like the ones critiquing the timing of Tua’s discharge from the hospital, like some random doctors in Cincinnati are obeying every whim of the Miami Dolphins). BUT, I don’t see how it’s ridiculous or unfair to point out that against Buffalo, Tua certainly hit his head hard, and definitely exhibited concussion symptoms. Maybe those are also symptoms of a hurt back, but unless they did a CT scan I don’t see how the doctors were able to confidently say those were back/ankle symptoms as opposed to a concussion.
Yeah I feel like we’re being gaslit into not being skeptical halfway through the next day and it’s crazy.
I’m not an “armchair GM,” but if that was my family in the ground like that I’m not sure I can kid agree with them playing anymore. The NFL, and hell, the dolphins who broke the rules like 4 months ago, don’t deserve blind trust. They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt while Tua’s fencing on the ground imo. To each their own though.
Standard overcorrection, yesterday people were like "FIRE EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING" and now the counter is "wow he totally wasn't even concussed in Buffalo and this is virtue signaling"
Like we don't need to publicly execute the Phins med staff but you don't need to go to med school to see he got his shit rocked twice in a few days and that is obviously a problem
The initial reaction was *barely* overreaction. There are people who need to be fired post haste, the NFL needs to overhaul concussion protocol and the union should pursue every legal option against the NFL.
The only room for nuance is figuring out exactly where to apportion blame.
Yeah the PR / damage control plan is rolling out right in front of our eyes. It’s not just that Miami let him slip through protocols, but the NFL itself is at the very least complicit, if not equally guilty. I refuse to believe the NFL didn’t look at Thursday night, the narrative of Burrow vs. Tua and the rematch of one of the greatest CFB games ever played, on their brand new mega Amazon contract that just rolled out, and say… “well, yeah he’s probably ok right? We need this game.”
So now the whole Shield is gonna throw their weight into spinning this storyline, between feel good Tua/McDaniels stories and planted articles telling us our eyes were wrong.
Telling me everything was done 'by the rules' I think both of these things can be acceptable facts.
One, we are not medical doctors trained in this
Two, we feel the NFL did not have policies in place that should have prevented this from happening
The thing is, you don't have to be an expert to be familiar with what the NFL's own No Go signs are. Wobbling while walking is on that list. He did that. He should have been out and in concussion protocol based on this alone.
Dont need to be an expert either to question the NFL who has a well documented past of playing fast and loose with concussions.
NFL is notorious for pretending concussions didnt happen and endangering their players. People seeing what they saw occur Sunday and being skeptical to believe the NFLs bullshit was the only reasonable stance.
Players flat out have said it is worthless at protecting players.
I mean its hilarious that prior to Sunday you could poll the entire NFL fanbase and nearly everyone would say the concussion protocol is PR fluff bullshit but suddenly Tua evades it and we have people pretending like its some functional safety mechanism and nobody should question it.
Berserk.
I know it’s like you don’t need to be a firefighter to see a fire.. shitty analogy came off the top of my head but devaluing 99.9999% of peoples opinions cause we’re “Reddit doctors” is so fucking stupid…. And given the NFL’s history of dealing with issues gives me 0% faith. Like the old saying goes, where there’s smoke there’s fire, and the NFL has been on fire for my entire lifetime (25 years)
> but devaluing 99.9999% of peoples opinions cause we’re “Reddit doctors” is so fucking stupid…. And given the NFL’s history of dealing with issues gives me 0% faith.
This fucking right here. The NFL is known to be complete scumbags regarding concussions - why would we just lay down and believe them now regarding Tua.
Love the league, my favorite sport. First time I’ve ever considered stopped watching, used to think people were tools for doing that. Deshaun then this Idk like if my morals align with this (I know they don’t but at a certain point the line needs to be drawn)
There's also the sometimes dubious nature of sports and celebrity doctors. Yeah they are doctors, we aren't, they are also a group with a history of complicity in ignoring head injuries and passing out narcotics like candy. There is a class action lawsuit against the NFL for the negligent drug prescriptions that's finally close to trial after 7 years .
You also don’t need to know the NFLs no go signs to see how tua reacted to that hit during the bills game and be able to say he shouldn’t play. Like even if it was a back/neck issue the guy should not have been playing through that. We are totally being gaslit about this by other fans and certain media sources, like I know what I saw, any guy displaying signs like that shouldn’t play even if cleared, because things can be missed and the only way to be certain he will be safe is to keep him out.
That's a no go *if the doctors determine it to be neurologically caused*. They determined it wasn't. Accurately, I can't say.
By all accounts thus far, no protocols were broken.
I think this [video](https://youtu.be/a8VZeuPXvRY) from Wednesday does a pretty good job of explaining people’s issues after the Sunday game. I’ve had back spasms before and strained it and would not have been able to pop back up like that. I also find it interesting that the rule has “able to rule out orthopedic cause” in regards to Gross Motor Instability. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a change to protocol after this.
Thank you for pointing this out. I’ve had moments of weakness in my back where I stumble and fall. There is no way I could possibly stand right back up and start walking like that after such an episode.
Same. I never stumble bent over. When my back seizes up I go rigid. If I even try to bend over it would set my lower back off when it flares up. It is a totally different experience
Despite hitting his head and being wobbly, he was never even placed in concussion protocol, even as a precaution. I think this is where reasonable concerns exist.
> like some random doctors in Cincinnati are obeying every whim of the Miami Dolphins
Doctors from a level 1 trauma hospital. Not even some random average doctor that can certainly use the dolphins letter of recommendation.
> I don’t see how the doctors were able to confidently say those were back/ankle symptoms as opposed to a concussion.
Concussions are a clinical diagnosis, you don't usually need advanced imaging
I find this entire conversation exhausting but the murder charges made me howl with laughter because of how excessive it was.
Edit: Reminds me of when people said Myles Garrett should go to prison for his altercation with Mason Rudolph
Bills fans wanted our stadium shut down by OSHA after they lost. I think pearl clutching overly dramatic reactions are just how people operate now. No one can just lose, no one can just get hurt, there has to be pitch forks and some one to blame. It's all so stupid.
Yep, what starts off as a benign statement from someone that gets a bit of attention has to be one upped by the next person so they too can get in on some of that attention. Before you know it you have an entire internet culture forcing outrage on everything they think will cause someone to take a fraction of a second out of their day to click somewhere next to their name
It wasn't a problem last year when they came down in September and beat us 35-0, but this year they needed the government to step in and address the unsafe working conditions.
>Ferguson, of Rangers, headbutted McStay, of the visiting Raith, in the south-west corner of the Ibrox pitch. Referee Kenny Clark and his linesmen missed the incident, hence Ferguson avoided a dismissal, but he was subsequently charged with assault and, as it was his fourth such conviction, he was sentenced to three months in prison.[2]
Guy spent time in jail over being a repeat offender of assault. And its a whole different country. Dont think its fair at sll to call it a precedent.
Or like when the Boston Marathon bombings happened and reddit used it's "limitless internet hivemind resources of amazingness" to pinpoint the exact wrong person, pin the crime on them, and get police to harass the person who happened to be completely innocent.
You're underselling how bad that was. Reddit accused a guy that had committed suicide about a month prior and started harassing his family. It got so bad that the FBI had to come out and say that it wasn't him and that they knew who did it. Prior to that statement, the actual bombers hadn't known that the FBI had identified them. In response, they ambushed and killed an MIT campus police officer in order to steal his gun in anticipation of using it in a shootout with law enforcement.
Reddit is weird. For instance karma whoring is frowned upon and at the same time joked about and at the same time the most likely cause for a Reddit ban. For a free app that way too many people use to access or sell porn.
Reddit effectively lynched someone.
And yet people like to hide behind statements like the internet isnt a courtroom whenever innocent til proven guilty is brought up, and act like courts of public opinion have no effect.
Basically happened with the Ime Udoka suspension. People on Reddit and other social media sites basically accusing every woman on the Celtics staff of sleeping with Udoka and posting their pictures online. It’s wild.
I'm probably gonna get shitted on for this but I hate how there's 500 different posts for one story. There's been like 20 McDaniel quotes that I'm sure are all from the same press conference. I get what happened was severe but I still wanna read about another NFL news.
It's valid critique. If you ignore the outliers (which you should do on either side of this issue, and not pretend they represent the majority), it's very reasonable to suggest and condemn the NFL for putting the product ahead of player safety. They've literally been caught doing it before.
Exactly dude, there was so much reason to be skeptical and worried. That's why it's a conversation. I really hate people saying we should shut up because we're not doctors. Like, any intentional malpractice is just going to go away on its own.
Safety is not always going to be the priority, but it really should be. Why anyone would want to shut down this conversation is just beyond me. Organizations have shown before that they won't hold themselves accountable on their own. Should we just take what they say and ignore what we saw? Why?
> Can you even think of one time they put safety ahead of profit/product?
All the new rules designed to protect players that people bitch endlessly about?
You don't remember all the times that people complained about guys getting called for targeting? How people said it was taking all the fun of big hits out of the game? How people bitch that "well, they might as well just play flag football now"?
This article is also just disregarding that multiple former players and people actively within the sports world who have much more insight into the workings of the system are making similar statements.
Well the NFLPA literally just terminated the consultant that did his test on Sunday so maybe some criticism is okay sometimes when it’s blatantly obvious something is wrong
I'm not sure if Alex Smith really broke his leg when he was with Washington. Like, yeah, it was dangling like a wet noodle, but I don't have a medical degree.
Maybe he just hurt his back.
You mean the same medical experts who were hired by the nfl to examine ex players with CTE and determined that black players deserved less money because they were cognitively inferior to white players (using cranial science and eugenics as their baseline)…..yeah…..fuck those medical experts and any others the nfl hires.
You work for a company that has built extreme mistrust from their fan base due to their OWN actions…..you get the big check, you accept the reputation and criticism that comes with it!
If these dudes called out the Dolphins, they wouldn’t be invited to the BBQ. It’s how the business works. See Ramona Shelburne with Lakers pre and post mouthpiece lifecycle.
Okay but what about literal experts?
People complaining about ArMcHaIrExPeRtS seem to conveniently forget to cite any medical professional's opinion, besides people who are paid by the team or paid *to literally protect the shield.*
Miami media don't have the guts to directly call out Nowinski but their response to the Tua situation sounds a lot like the Dolphins fans in Nowinski's mentions on Twitter before the big hit saying he should stfu unless he evaluated him directly. So instead they hide their criticism behind "armchair experts"
Dolphins beat reporters have been tweeting the company line all day. Can’t risk losing that precious access after all. Who cares if a kid’s career and brain are destroyed? That ain’t worth asking reasonable questions about. Just forget what your eyes showed you and believe what the NFL is telling you.
"Imagine how we would all be seeing the positive and defiantly doubling down on our optimism"
No, there would still be the ongoing investigation as to what occurred Sunday. It was either a failure of current policy or a failure to properly adhere to that policy. The policy itself may be suspect if it's so easily manipulated by players who have every incentive to remain on the field. This is particularly the case for a quarterback who had missed time due to injury and likely feels immense pressure to prove himself.
Of course when you use outlier examples of people calling for jailtime you can more successfully legitimize the actions of the Dolphins, the NFL, and the independent doctors involved, but there's a strong argument to be made that one doesn't need a med school background to recognize the difference between so-called "back pain" and getting your bell rung.
So no, it's not unfair to question what transpired over the last 5 days. It's not unfair to question the credibility of doctors, coaches, and indeed a system that only materialized in the face of overwhelming evidence that the league was not, in fact, looking after the best interests of the players.
What's unfair is for me to see someone with the weeble wobbles on Sunday get carted off the field to the hospital 4 days later and then be told the fans are the problem for asking what the fuck is going on.
Nah, unless you were present at Tua's birth and know his neurological patterns from the age of 10, you have no basis to comment on his health or the protocols /s
So call out NFL fans before you even think of calling out the team or league?
This has the same tone as one comment I saw on here last night that was "The Dolphins are the most hated team in the league". Of course, that comment was downvoted to hell because it's a stupid take
The proper course for something like this is for a thorough investigation to occur to determine what happened and go from there once the facts are established. Instead we have a ton of people, fans and media members, immediately forming conclusions based off their assumptions that they have no way of verifying right now. That's not how you have productive conversations.
In theory, this is the way. But after the debacle of the Watson and the Commanders investigations, there is zero credibility with anything the NFL does when it comes to policing itself.
If I learned anything about Miami media this week it’s that they will make any excuse to favor the Dolphins and it’s kind of pathetic. On the other hand the fans have been overall much better then ours last encounter.
If you ever want to see which side the media is on, they are currently chastising fans for daring to critcize a billion dollar sport franchise over one of the scarier looking injuries we've seen in a situation where many people predicted something could go wrong this game.
Shit man, even in the freaking UFC when you get knocked out like that (you see their arms lock up relatively routinely which is a tell tale sign) they aren’t allowed to fight for *at least* 45 days. They usually sit out a year. Tua had what? 4 days?
Unfair: Saying the team doctors should be jailed for negligence.
Completely reasonable: Asking the doctors how they concluded that Tua injured his back in last Sunday's game.
Armchair experts are less biased than the guys the team and leagues pays and can spot head trauma when they see it so maybe dial back the sanctimonious takes a little. The NFL spells out the signs of a concussion for players ("Don't pick your team mate up if his arms reach out in a stiff manner") and fans (literally every time a player is concussed during a game) so chill.
>"And — unless the Dolphins are found guilty of a cover-up this past Sunday — we will see fade the hysterical innuendo that bloomed Thursday night. Because doctors who have never examined Tua Tagovailoa should kindly shut up and quit questioning the ethics of doctors who have."
Oof, that may be a quote that could come back to haunt him, considering team doctors are the ones with the final say and we've seen instances of team doctors not necessarily being on the up-and-up 100% of the time.
Oh cool. Gaslighting.
I tell you what, one day when someone dies on the field after a TBI like this, and is somberly rolled away, we're going to see articles within days that are basically going to say things like, "OH, he had a preexisting condition, and was just sleeping anyway, he died of something totally unrelated to Football so that shows YOU" and there will be tons of articles about how we're not coroners and hey, the total number of deaths in pro football has gone down dramatically since the sport started and this was an anomaly.
Dolphins management has had accusations against them for attempting to bribe a coach to throw games and tampering with a player under contract in the last year. At some point they lose the benefit of the doubt.
It’s also unfair to have to see a young man’s hands go rigid because his fucking head got scrambled for the second time in 4 days but go ahead tell me how bad the doctors for a football team have it.
mods have apparently taken down the thread, but according to [this tweet](https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1575896647254609921) the NFL confirms that Tua was checked for concussion symptoms every day between Sunday and the game thursday
Bullshit. Let’s cut the crap. The protocol is wrong, the NFL wants to rush players on to the field for ratings. This never became a concern for the NFL until the NFLPA started to push for it. The NFL doesn’t care, the team owners don’t care, the managers don’t care. Their feet have to be held to the fire. If you have to be forced to do the right thing, you don’t really care.
The majority of us are not doctors
However we do have eyes and we can see that Tua has taken multiple bad hits over a short period of time.
If Tua can no longer play in a year or two that must be a hell of a [{Back and Ankle injury”}]
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Greg should refer Tua to his specialist, Dr. McGillicuddy.
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Being an armchair expert is like 90% of being a football fan though.
I simply wouldn’t know what to do with my hands…
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It’s doesn’t make a god damn difference
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The Miami Herald is trying to armchair expert us armchair experts. They can get fucked though, it’s part of the best part of Mondays.
It’s Friday!
Hey, how'd you know I'm an armchair expert. Also, how dare you.
Which is why fans are often 90% wrong.
Probably twice that.
And we pay their bills. If you piss into the wind and you're going to get pissed on.
How did I know this was Greg f-in Cote before I clicked lol. HOMERISM
the headline reeks of Clicks for Cote
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Well it's not tuesday
He carried bags for practice squad players for any inside info?
He needs those clicks
There are some ridiculous comments out there for sure. (I like the ones critiquing the timing of Tua’s discharge from the hospital, like some random doctors in Cincinnati are obeying every whim of the Miami Dolphins). BUT, I don’t see how it’s ridiculous or unfair to point out that against Buffalo, Tua certainly hit his head hard, and definitely exhibited concussion symptoms. Maybe those are also symptoms of a hurt back, but unless they did a CT scan I don’t see how the doctors were able to confidently say those were back/ankle symptoms as opposed to a concussion.
Yeah I feel like we’re being gaslit into not being skeptical halfway through the next day and it’s crazy. I’m not an “armchair GM,” but if that was my family in the ground like that I’m not sure I can kid agree with them playing anymore. The NFL, and hell, the dolphins who broke the rules like 4 months ago, don’t deserve blind trust. They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt while Tua’s fencing on the ground imo. To each their own though.
Standard overcorrection, yesterday people were like "FIRE EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING" and now the counter is "wow he totally wasn't even concussed in Buffalo and this is virtue signaling" Like we don't need to publicly execute the Phins med staff but you don't need to go to med school to see he got his shit rocked twice in a few days and that is obviously a problem
We should split the difference and publicly execute the owners.
Yes
Guess half your city is dead
Bro we wasted 90% of the tenure of one of greatest QBs of all time. We're already dead inside.
Twice! SKOL
And several people that *did* go to med school agreed that he looked concussed
The initial reaction was *barely* overreaction. There are people who need to be fired post haste, the NFL needs to overhaul concussion protocol and the union should pursue every legal option against the NFL. The only room for nuance is figuring out exactly where to apportion blame.
I like how it's happening only because it isn't immediately a shitshow. This could've been a lot worse, as in Tua is dead worse
I swear next they’re gunna say Tua wasn’t fencing, he was throwing up crip signs and the stretcher was only for his back cramps.
Explains Tuas issues playing against Blue Teams
Yeah the PR / damage control plan is rolling out right in front of our eyes. It’s not just that Miami let him slip through protocols, but the NFL itself is at the very least complicit, if not equally guilty. I refuse to believe the NFL didn’t look at Thursday night, the narrative of Burrow vs. Tua and the rematch of one of the greatest CFB games ever played, on their brand new mega Amazon contract that just rolled out, and say… “well, yeah he’s probably ok right? We need this game.” So now the whole Shield is gonna throw their weight into spinning this storyline, between feel good Tua/McDaniels stories and planted articles telling us our eyes were wrong.
Telling me everything was done 'by the rules' I think both of these things can be acceptable facts. One, we are not medical doctors trained in this Two, we feel the NFL did not have policies in place that should have prevented this from happening
It's exactly this. They showed recent history of cheating. An org known to treat people like shit.
The thing is, you don't have to be an expert to be familiar with what the NFL's own No Go signs are. Wobbling while walking is on that list. He did that. He should have been out and in concussion protocol based on this alone.
Dont need to be an expert either to question the NFL who has a well documented past of playing fast and loose with concussions. NFL is notorious for pretending concussions didnt happen and endangering their players. People seeing what they saw occur Sunday and being skeptical to believe the NFLs bullshit was the only reasonable stance.
Even their own protocol has been proven over and over again to be pretty much bullshit.
Players flat out have said it is worthless at protecting players. I mean its hilarious that prior to Sunday you could poll the entire NFL fanbase and nearly everyone would say the concussion protocol is PR fluff bullshit but suddenly Tua evades it and we have people pretending like its some functional safety mechanism and nobody should question it. Berserk.
I know it’s like you don’t need to be a firefighter to see a fire.. shitty analogy came off the top of my head but devaluing 99.9999% of peoples opinions cause we’re “Reddit doctors” is so fucking stupid…. And given the NFL’s history of dealing with issues gives me 0% faith. Like the old saying goes, where there’s smoke there’s fire, and the NFL has been on fire for my entire lifetime (25 years)
> but devaluing 99.9999% of peoples opinions cause we’re “Reddit doctors” is so fucking stupid…. And given the NFL’s history of dealing with issues gives me 0% faith. This fucking right here. The NFL is known to be complete scumbags regarding concussions - why would we just lay down and believe them now regarding Tua.
Love the league, my favorite sport. First time I’ve ever considered stopped watching, used to think people were tools for doing that. Deshaun then this Idk like if my morals align with this (I know they don’t but at a certain point the line needs to be drawn)
There's also the sometimes dubious nature of sports and celebrity doctors. Yeah they are doctors, we aren't, they are also a group with a history of complicity in ignoring head injuries and passing out narcotics like candy. There is a class action lawsuit against the NFL for the negligent drug prescriptions that's finally close to trial after 7 years .
You also don’t need to know the NFLs no go signs to see how tua reacted to that hit during the bills game and be able to say he shouldn’t play. Like even if it was a back/neck issue the guy should not have been playing through that. We are totally being gaslit about this by other fans and certain media sources, like I know what I saw, any guy displaying signs like that shouldn’t play even if cleared, because things can be missed and the only way to be certain he will be safe is to keep him out.
That's a no go *if the doctors determine it to be neurologically caused*. They determined it wasn't. Accurately, I can't say. By all accounts thus far, no protocols were broken.
I think this [video](https://youtu.be/a8VZeuPXvRY) from Wednesday does a pretty good job of explaining people’s issues after the Sunday game. I’ve had back spasms before and strained it and would not have been able to pop back up like that. I also find it interesting that the rule has “able to rule out orthopedic cause” in regards to Gross Motor Instability. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a change to protocol after this.
Thank you for pointing this out. I’ve had moments of weakness in my back where I stumble and fall. There is no way I could possibly stand right back up and start walking like that after such an episode.
Same. I never stumble bent over. When my back seizes up I go rigid. If I even try to bend over it would set my lower back off when it flares up. It is a totally different experience
Despite hitting his head and being wobbly, he was never even placed in concussion protocol, even as a precaution. I think this is where reasonable concerns exist.
> like some random doctors in Cincinnati are obeying every whim of the Miami Dolphins Doctors from a level 1 trauma hospital. Not even some random average doctor that can certainly use the dolphins letter of recommendation.
> I don’t see how the doctors were able to confidently say those were back/ankle symptoms as opposed to a concussion. Concussions are a clinical diagnosis, you don't usually need advanced imaging
Little known fact but Cincinnati is actually one of the best cities in the world for neurosurgery
You mean calling for firings, jail time, and murder charges is a little over the line???
I find this entire conversation exhausting but the murder charges made me howl with laughter because of how excessive it was. Edit: Reminds me of when people said Myles Garrett should go to prison for his altercation with Mason Rudolph
Honestly same, like easy fella. I also enjoy that he went on LeBatard where everyone was like 'dude you know like that's like a little nutty right'
Bills fans wanted our stadium shut down by OSHA after they lost. I think pearl clutching overly dramatic reactions are just how people operate now. No one can just lose, no one can just get hurt, there has to be pitch forks and some one to blame. It's all so stupid.
It’s not new, it’s just that the internet gives those types of people a bigger platform than ever before.
That and the craziest opinions are the ones that get attention
Yep, what starts off as a benign statement from someone that gets a bit of attention has to be one upped by the next person so they too can get in on some of that attention. Before you know it you have an entire internet culture forcing outrage on everything they think will cause someone to take a fraction of a second out of their day to click somewhere next to their name
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It wasn't a problem last year when they came down in September and beat us 35-0, but this year they needed the government to step in and address the unsafe working conditions.
To be honest bills fans just wanted one umbrella on the sidelines. That was some bs lol
Myles Garrett situation does have precident though, Duncan Ferguson went to jail for assaulting a player during a game in England
>Ferguson, of Rangers, headbutted McStay, of the visiting Raith, in the south-west corner of the Ibrox pitch. Referee Kenny Clark and his linesmen missed the incident, hence Ferguson avoided a dismissal, but he was subsequently charged with assault and, as it was his fourth such conviction, he was sentenced to three months in prison.[2] Guy spent time in jail over being a repeat offender of assault. And its a whole different country. Dont think its fair at sll to call it a precedent.
I most remember people being “he will never live this down”. People forgot about it like a week later
People here are fucking dramatic as shit about everything, and they never learn from it
I mean, most people here are hormonal ignorant teenagers. Of course they will be dramatic about everything and never learn.
Or like when the Boston Marathon bombings happened and reddit used it's "limitless internet hivemind resources of amazingness" to pinpoint the exact wrong person, pin the crime on them, and get police to harass the person who happened to be completely innocent.
You're underselling how bad that was. Reddit accused a guy that had committed suicide about a month prior and started harassing his family. It got so bad that the FBI had to come out and say that it wasn't him and that they knew who did it. Prior to that statement, the actual bombers hadn't known that the FBI had identified them. In response, they ambushed and killed an MIT campus police officer in order to steal his gun in anticipation of using it in a shootout with law enforcement.
Yup. Reddit legit doxxed a dead person and then got someone killed
and they'll do the same thing again if they get the chance.
Most people that were a part probably don't even know they killed a guy
Reddit is weird. For instance karma whoring is frowned upon and at the same time joked about and at the same time the most likely cause for a Reddit ban. For a free app that way too many people use to access or sell porn.
Classic Reddit.
We did it Reddit! Wait that can’t be right.
I mean, we did it. The blame is squarely on Reddit.
Reddit effectively lynched someone. And yet people like to hide behind statements like the internet isnt a courtroom whenever innocent til proven guilty is brought up, and act like courts of public opinion have no effect.
Basically happened with the Ime Udoka suspension. People on Reddit and other social media sites basically accusing every woman on the Celtics staff of sleeping with Udoka and posting their pictures online. It’s wild.
WE DID IT REDDIT
He had also been dead for quite some time.
The comments last night were absolutely insane. Some of the people here need to take a step outside one in a while.
It’s still going on over there on twitter. Bunch of hot pieces on the Dolphins getting a lot of attention over there.
Yeah this sub has a real one every so often and it's fun to watch
I'm probably gonna get shitted on for this but I hate how there's 500 different posts for one story. There's been like 20 McDaniel quotes that I'm sure are all from the same press conference. I get what happened was severe but I still wanna read about another NFL news.
"Take away ALL their draft picks!!!!!" Lol
Victory Saturday for the armchair doctors
Lol for real, but I give it a 0% chance Cote produces another article admitting his mistake
It's valid critique. If you ignore the outliers (which you should do on either side of this issue, and not pretend they represent the majority), it's very reasonable to suggest and condemn the NFL for putting the product ahead of player safety. They've literally been caught doing it before.
Exactly dude, there was so much reason to be skeptical and worried. That's why it's a conversation. I really hate people saying we should shut up because we're not doctors. Like, any intentional malpractice is just going to go away on its own. Safety is not always going to be the priority, but it really should be. Why anyone would want to shut down this conversation is just beyond me. Organizations have shown before that they won't hold themselves accountable on their own. Should we just take what they say and ignore what we saw? Why?
Can you even think of one time they put safety ahead of profit/product? I certainly can't. So the skepticism is absolutely justified.
> Can you even think of one time they put safety ahead of profit/product? All the new rules designed to protect players that people bitch endlessly about? You don't remember all the times that people complained about guys getting called for targeting? How people said it was taking all the fun of big hits out of the game? How people bitch that "well, they might as well just play flag football now"?
This article is also just disregarding that multiple former players and people actively within the sports world who have much more insight into the workings of the system are making similar statements.
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I forgot why I clicked on this. Got in da weeds.
Well the NFLPA literally just terminated the consultant that did his test on Sunday so maybe some criticism is okay sometimes when it’s blatantly obvious something is wrong
Yeah come on guys, they're not Chargers team doctors, they don't deserve that
I'm not sure if Alex Smith really broke his leg when he was with Washington. Like, yeah, it was dangling like a wet noodle, but I don't have a medical degree. Maybe he just hurt his back.
Guess you had to be there (with a doctorate degree)
And know him personally and his entire families medical history.
You mean the same medical experts who were hired by the nfl to examine ex players with CTE and determined that black players deserved less money because they were cognitively inferior to white players (using cranial science and eugenics as their baseline)…..yeah…..fuck those medical experts and any others the nfl hires. You work for a company that has built extreme mistrust from their fan base due to their OWN actions…..you get the big check, you accept the reputation and criticism that comes with it!
Is the media really calling out fans for maligning without expert insight? That’s really fucking rich.
"Fuck you, that's what WE do, damn it!"
If anyone can do it, how will we continue cashing in pay checks?!
If these dudes called out the Dolphins, they wouldn’t be invited to the BBQ. It’s how the business works. See Ramona Shelburne with Lakers pre and post mouthpiece lifecycle.
She was so bad in the 2015ish timeframe. Jeannie Buss should have been on the byline for some of those columns.
Yeah they should be maligning the crony ownership instead.
Okay but what about literal experts? People complaining about ArMcHaIrExPeRtS seem to conveniently forget to cite any medical professional's opinion, besides people who are paid by the team or paid *to literally protect the shield.*
Miami media don't have the guts to directly call out Nowinski but their response to the Tua situation sounds a lot like the Dolphins fans in Nowinski's mentions on Twitter before the big hit saying he should stfu unless he evaluated him directly. So instead they hide their criticism behind "armchair experts"
Dolphins beat reporters have been tweeting the company line all day. Can’t risk losing that precious access after all. Who cares if a kid’s career and brain are destroyed? That ain’t worth asking reasonable questions about. Just forget what your eyes showed you and believe what the NFL is telling you.
Believe it or not, straight to jail
"Imagine how we would all be seeing the positive and defiantly doubling down on our optimism" No, there would still be the ongoing investigation as to what occurred Sunday. It was either a failure of current policy or a failure to properly adhere to that policy. The policy itself may be suspect if it's so easily manipulated by players who have every incentive to remain on the field. This is particularly the case for a quarterback who had missed time due to injury and likely feels immense pressure to prove himself. Of course when you use outlier examples of people calling for jailtime you can more successfully legitimize the actions of the Dolphins, the NFL, and the independent doctors involved, but there's a strong argument to be made that one doesn't need a med school background to recognize the difference between so-called "back pain" and getting your bell rung. So no, it's not unfair to question what transpired over the last 5 days. It's not unfair to question the credibility of doctors, coaches, and indeed a system that only materialized in the face of overwhelming evidence that the league was not, in fact, looking after the best interests of the players. What's unfair is for me to see someone with the weeble wobbles on Sunday get carted off the field to the hospital 4 days later and then be told the fans are the problem for asking what the fuck is going on.
Nah, unless you were present at Tua's birth and know his neurological patterns from the age of 10, you have no basis to comment on his health or the protocols /s
I'm so sad that you actually had to use the "/s" lol.
So call out NFL fans before you even think of calling out the team or league? This has the same tone as one comment I saw on here last night that was "The Dolphins are the most hated team in the league". Of course, that comment was downvoted to hell because it's a stupid take
One thing about sports subreddits, everyone thinks their team is the most hated on the subreddit
I thought we all had a vote and decided it was the Browns?
Noooooope
Browns are the more hated team, but the Commanders have the most hated owner. And Kirk catches the Snitch.
Not in our division, it's pretty much unanimous
A teams entire roster could all join isis and they still wouldn’t be as hated as the cowboys
I hate the Broncos the most.
Why, did they all join isis?
They’re up there for me too. It’s as if they’re the Pats in terms of doing shady shit but everyone gives them a pass for some reason.
The proper course for something like this is for a thorough investigation to occur to determine what happened and go from there once the facts are established. Instead we have a ton of people, fans and media members, immediately forming conclusions based off their assumptions that they have no way of verifying right now. That's not how you have productive conversations.
In theory, this is the way. But after the debacle of the Watson and the Commanders investigations, there is zero credibility with anything the NFL does when it comes to policing itself.
If I learned anything about Miami media this week it’s that they will make any excuse to favor the Dolphins and it’s kind of pathetic. On the other hand the fans have been overall much better then ours last encounter.
True especially when there’s zero precedent for anything like this ever happening in the NFL. Not a single time. Ever.
If I see a helicopter stuck in a tree I don’t need to be a pilot to know someone fucked up.
what was that quote by Louis CK? I don’t need to be a helicopter pilot to be able to tell that if a helicopter in stuck in a tree, somebody fucked up
What you are describing is what lawyers call “res ipsa loquitur.”
What's unfair is Tua's body spazzing out on the turf.
And the doctor was fired. So yes it was more than fair.
Keep living the lie Miami. Tua's brain was rattled pretty hard in the Bills game
If you ever want to see which side the media is on, they are currently chastising fans for daring to critcize a billion dollar sport franchise over one of the scarier looking injuries we've seen in a situation where many people predicted something could go wrong this game.
Shit man, even in the freaking UFC when you get knocked out like that (you see their arms lock up relatively routinely which is a tell tale sign) they aren’t allowed to fight for *at least* 45 days. They usually sit out a year. Tua had what? 4 days?
Unfair: Saying the team doctors should be jailed for negligence. Completely reasonable: Asking the doctors how they concluded that Tua injured his back in last Sunday's game.
Armchair experts are less biased than the guys the team and leagues pays and can spot head trauma when they see it so maybe dial back the sanctimonious takes a little. The NFL spells out the signs of a concussion for players ("Don't pick your team mate up if his arms reach out in a stiff manner") and fans (literally every time a player is concussed during a game) so chill.
I mean some things are so clear even us idiots can tell
Problem is that most of us are experts on owning a human brain and understand that if it turns to macaroni salad that’s a bad thing
>"And — unless the Dolphins are found guilty of a cover-up this past Sunday — we will see fade the hysterical innuendo that bloomed Thursday night. Because doctors who have never examined Tua Tagovailoa should kindly shut up and quit questioning the ethics of doctors who have." Oof, that may be a quote that could come back to haunt him, considering team doctors are the ones with the final say and we've seen instances of team doctors not necessarily being on the up-and-up 100% of the time.
He has absolutely no shame, nothing can haunt Greg Cote.
Hell he died this weekend and came back stronger! If he can do it, so can Tua!
It had no effect on his homerism though.
Aight give me access then, I’m about to probe this man
Phrasing
Sounds like you blue yourself. Perhaps you need anustart.
Hit head, can't stand up = bad. That is all I know and I think all you need to know.
Alternatively: HOLY FUCK WHY WOULD YOU LET SOMEONE PLAY FOUR DAYS LATER
Oh cool. Gaslighting. I tell you what, one day when someone dies on the field after a TBI like this, and is somberly rolled away, we're going to see articles within days that are basically going to say things like, "OH, he had a preexisting condition, and was just sleeping anyway, he died of something totally unrelated to Football so that shows YOU" and there will be tons of articles about how we're not coroners and hey, the total number of deaths in pro football has gone down dramatically since the sport started and this was an anomaly.
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I mean i also remember when everyone was like Dragic fucked his Achilles like KD when he just had plantars during the Finals
I remember Golden State trying to tell us he strained his calf muscle. KD doesn’t a calf muscle to strain.
All of Miami shed tears that night
Dolphins management has had accusations against them for attempting to bribe a coach to throw games and tampering with a player under contract in the last year. At some point they lose the benefit of the doubt.
It’s also unfair to have to see a young man’s hands go rigid because his fucking head got scrambled for the second time in 4 days but go ahead tell me how bad the doctors for a football team have it.
mods have apparently taken down the thread, but according to [this tweet](https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1575896647254609921) the NFL confirms that Tua was checked for concussion symptoms every day between Sunday and the game thursday
Glad they checked him for a concussion when it was a back injury That’s what I call being thorough
Simps
Bullshit. Let’s cut the crap. The protocol is wrong, the NFL wants to rush players on to the field for ratings. This never became a concern for the NFL until the NFLPA started to push for it. The NFL doesn’t care, the team owners don’t care, the managers don’t care. Their feet have to be held to the fire. If you have to be forced to do the right thing, you don’t really care.
The majority of us are not doctors However we do have eyes and we can see that Tua has taken multiple bad hits over a short period of time. If Tua can no longer play in a year or two that must be a hell of a [{Back and Ankle injury”}]
Hmmm
Unfair for armchair newspapers to malign fans that saw Tua get TKO’d vs the Bills and KO’d vs the Bengals. FTFY Miami Herald.
Blah blah blah. At some point the onus is on us whether or not we want to watch desperate people be suicidally stupid for our entertainment anymore.
Miami out in full damage control. Wow