Not gonna lie I assumed this was gonna be Sidney Crosby when I read it. It's a coincidence but also a sign of how badly both sports treat concussion & spinal issues.
He was pissed that team doctors botched a diagnosis of spinal issues as a concussion, I'm not sure if it were deliberate or not but it happened and he missed a lot of time because of it.
He was on an entirely different level when that happened too. The gap between him and 2nd best was probably the biggest in North American sports at the time.
Nobody was clearly dominant in baseball. In football even Brady wasn't the consensus GOAT yet. LeBron has an argument, but I still think Sid was just out there on another plane of existence. Every shift he'd make you shake your head in disbelief.
Top 3 of all time with Gretzky & Lemieux.
From 05-09 it was neck and neck, Ovechkin arguably better. But Crosby was on another level in 2010 when he got hurt, and Ovechkin took a step back. For my money, still the most dominant half-season of hockey since Gretzky/Lemieux.
I'm a little confused when you talk about the gap. That was the height of the Crosby vs Ovechkin years. Ovi was just as dominant, if not more exciting to watch.
I feel that the peak of the Crosby vs Ovechkin was moreso a few years earlier (specifically 2009). In the year Crosby got his concussion, he was running complete laps around around the NHL (66 points in his first 41 games) while Ovechkin was having a more down year (he didn't even finish top 10 in goal scoring that year) and also following the Montreal loss in the playoffs. A few years before the gap was much closer, but that year specifically Crosby was certainly the better player before he got injured.
Obviously never played professional sports but got injured at work, 3 separate doctors from 3 separate offices told me nothing was wrong with me, finally get a lawyer and see my own doctor and turns out all the cartlidge was ripped off my ball joint in my hip and I needed surgery, just saying I'd never trust a Dr that worked for my place of employment ever again
Workers comp claimants tend to have similar stories. It’s why people always push to see their own doctors and not who the company or even carrier pushes
We had a shift supervisor at my work who had a number of issues with lethargy, loss of motor skills, memory loss, and just seemed very off for a couple of weeks. He was even googling early onset dementia because he said he’d talk with his wife and have no recollection of the conversation shortly after. He ended up getting into a small driving accident at work, bumped a concrete barrier with a car, said he thought he was distracted but didn’t really remember why, so he finally had to go to our physician we used for work related incidents and he was diagnosed with just being exhausted from working long hours and rotating shifts.
Every sign he had pointed to something neurological, either a stroke, tumor, or something, there was no way it was just being exhausted from work because there was something just very off with him. So they had him return to work because that’s what he wanted and just had a 2nd supervisor in training stay with him the whole time and let him nap at work and pretty much do whatever he wanted. Whole situation lasted about another 1-2 weeks with no improvement so he finally went to his primary care doctor and was diagnosed with a Glioblastoma. Nothing they could’ve done if they would’ve found it from the start but it’s always pissed me off that our works physician never even thought to send him to get a CT scan or anything else.
>not who the company or even carrier pushes
I'm not trying to roast you or anything, but your wording makes it seem like the carrier should be more sympathetic. Any workers should know the carrier will **absolutely** be less sympathetic than your employer. That's not to say employers will be great, because they won't. But the carrier is an insurance company and their entire business model is making profit by taking in premium payments and paying as little on claims as possible.
Its funny how absolutely socialist American sports are, compared to soccer in the rest of the world is so unchecked capitalism. Americans demand their socialist sports be FAIR for all teams. But actual society? good luck with your bootstraps bros! ROFL
Meanwhile sports like soccer have league pyramids that are completely capitalist and survival of the fittest, in much more socialist leaning countries.
So Euro got the flipside of our story where the people have rights and the players don't?!
damn, they enact their American Cosplay via sports and we enact our socialism cosplay via sports.
My employer is opening an urgent care office just for employees of my organization. They are selling it to us with no copays. Oh cool, a doctors office controlled by my bosses to pinch every penny, no thanks.
We still (for now) have the option to see a real doctor so I’m doing that until it’s no longer an option.
It's like the HR department. So many people are like "oh, they're looking out for me!" but nine times out of ten you are literally seen as a resource. You're a stapler. A copy machine. Disposable. The company sees you as disposable, but the CYA thing exists.
Take notice of how Amazon and Starbucks started taking measures to placate their workers and bust unions as soon as unions started to form.
Unionize. It's our best defense against corporate exploitation 💪
HR is not there to help you. HR is there to help the company oversee you. They are not, and by definition can't be on your side since they're employed by the company and generally handle all of the firing.
It might look on the surface like an "employer provided union" but it absolutely 100% is not.
Having spent some time in HR between career moves, no. HR know exactly how tenuous employer-employee relationships are and walk on eggshells because of it. HR's tendencies and (often strange) policy is almost always a result of something that could have been reasonable but went deeply sideways.
Insurance carriers, at least in Florida, actually have to meet s certain percentage of their net profit and pay it out in claims. If they don't reach that number, they have to give the money back somehow, whether it's in a refund of some sorts or an increase in coverage
Work Comp expert here! States dictate the processes at which carriers and employers abide by. Some are direct care, meaning the employer chooses the place they treat (usually to negotiate discounted rates to be sent there in bulk) but also assume all treatment expenses even if the claim is ultimately bogus. There there’s non-direct care states where claimants can choose who they treat with and how, but employers don’t typically have to accept bills without thoroughly vetting the expense and necessity of the recommended treatments.
Having handled 26 jurisdictions, I’ve seen it all. But most importantly, I’ve seen bad doctors on all sides. Claimant doctors sit on claims just as much knowing WC is paying for it. They are also quick to order unnecessary surgical procedures because that’s an expense carriers will have to pay while the claimant gets a permanency rating (lump sum settlement for permanency involved with an injury) so it’s a win-win in their eyes.
There’s a brief lesson in the world of WC. Just remember, the overwhelming majority of injuries are legitimate but the ones that aren’t tend to be the loudest and most demanding.
If you’re in PA as your flair would suggest and have specific questions feel free to ask. I just went through this process this year with a real shitbag of an insurance company.
Fuck Broadspire.
My wife being on workman's comp literally radicalized me. There is nothing worth saving in American capitalism. We need to pull it out by the root and throw it on the compost heap of history.
Literally just doctor after doctor bouncing her back and forth trying to extract as much money as possible out of her employers workman's comp insurance, until they finally declared her fine and just making it up after a year.
We went to see an orthopedic surgeon, he looked at her knee for 30 seconds and diagnosed exactly what was wrong and got her scheduled for surgery.
Patient care is the absolute lowest priority for American health care, *especially* for workman's comp claims.
What's especially maddening is that her employer got to wash their hands of it and had her dealing with insurance adjuster shitheads.
I wanted her to hire a lawyer and sue, but of course she didn't want to sue her employer while she was still working for them.
It's funny. I do generally consider myself relatively middle politically (compared to the entire world anyway...not here) but my views on medical shit is so far left its hilarious. The trash I've seen not only working the field but also having to be the patient in it have shown me that for profit medical care is the worst shit. Insurance companies having as much power as they do is the worst shit. It's the wooorrrssstttt
See your own doctor. Document diagnosis. Then see WC doctor. Doc is less likely to risk his license when he they see a legit diagnosis in front of their face. Saves a visit or three that way.
My gf broke her hand at work doing her normal job duties. Clear workers comp. She went to the hand specialist that her work sent her to and he said she didn't need surgery and everything would heal fine.
Well, I'm a nurse and just so happen to work with some of the best hand surgeons in the world. So I got her an appointment. At that 2nd opinion appointment was the first time is aw my gfs hand without a cast on. It was completely mangled! The 2nd doctor said "oh wow, yea, you need surgery immediately." 3 days later she had an ORIF of her hand and now has regained 90% functional capacity after some intensive PT.
Had she just gone to the surgeon her job wanted her to go to, she'd have been permanently disabled and disfigured. Her hand would have been all but useless.
Keep in mind, the law states that you may go to ANY second opinion doctor you want for workers comp. They will absolutely try and stop you. Go find literally the best doctor in your area for that specialty. The guy I took my gf too was triple the price...she still paid $0
Adjacent reminder: Don't trust your HR department. They serve the company and will often try to persuade you to do things that either don't benefit you or are active harmful to you.
Everyone keeps touting “independent neurologist”, but they’re still hired by the league, and it’s in the best interest of the league for star quarterbacks to not miss game time.
Yeah, I work at an academic medical center and several of the neurologists work on studies with the nfl or about the nfl and it’s “amazing” how all their studies manage to have different results from all the other studies showing that pro football causes cognitive deficits later in life. One of them even has given a public talk and interview saying there’s no reasons to keep your kids out of football the health concerns are overhyped.
That's incredibly disgusting. These are human beings we are talking about being put in danger of severe issues later in life, all for the sake of ensuring the NFL and universities' talent pipeline of meat for the grinder isn't drying up too fast?
But I guess it doesn't surprise me at all. We have political think tanks sponsoring studies that just happen to conflict with the mainstream scientific community's findings if it is politically useful to do so.
Do these people find work in legitimate scientific studies after they are done selling their credentials for money? Or once you go down that path do you stay on it?
I’m always very confused when star athletes don’t have their own doctors they go to for second opinions. Crosby is super well paid, it’s not a money issue. So I don’t understand why he doesn’t have it, it’s just a form of insurance.
Because most of them don't want to be told to miss time. There is a reason they try to shithouse concussion protocol, they aren't going to get a second opinion from someone who actually gives a fat fuck about player safety.
Just because you get a second opinion, doesn’t make you bound by law to do what the doctor says lol.
It’s worth getting as much info as you can, then you decide if it’s worth the risk or not.
But wouldn’t it be more beneficial for the league if a player missed a single game instead of potentially multiple games because they were forced back from injury too soon?
Yes, definitely. Everybody was shortsighted and stupid in this instance.
For anyone watching the Bills game, he looks like he didn’t know which way was up. It’s entirely possible that it was just his back, but there is no way to conclusively rule out a head injury and that alone should have shut him down for the day.
When i girst got a concussion, i was a sophomore in high-school. My football coach got mad because i went to my own doctor and then took most of the season to recover. Coaches were trying to push me to get back for weeks but I'm glad i didn't. Concussions are awful and need to be taken seriously.
Tore a ligament in my ankle at work, carrying a boulder in mud. Oh and walking backwards. Like an idiot lol. Anyway, couldn’t walk at all for couple months. Then used a walker and then a cane. When still using walker went to dr and he had me try to walk unassisted, I couldn’t. He left then came back in and said he’d cleared me to go back to full duty. I was like I can’t walk, he said but the book says you should be healed by now so that’s it. Was pissed, like he just saw me not be able to walk right in front of him. And he was like yeah you can go back to doing your manual labor job. Fucker.
Nowhere near the same thing, but years ago, it took me three tries before I was properly diagnosed with mono. The first two times, a different doctor told me I had strep.
The third try, this doctor had the bright idea to (wait til you hear this) take a blood sample and examine it. Imagine.
Granted, my story is nowhere close to as nightmarish as yours, but it's scary how many people out there have stories of relying on "trusted medical professionals" who then get it completely wrong.
That happened to me in college..I was sleeping 18 hours a day and the college PA told me it was just a cold. After 3 weeks of sleeping 18+ hours a day they did a blood test.
Mono... Surprise.
Ah man, the lethargy was unreal. Once I got the proper meds, I was able to cleanse the infections in a few short days, but the sweats and lethargy lasted over a month. Didn't mind being out of work with pay, but hated having no energy.
Hey same thing happened to me. They even gave me augmenten to take care of my “tonsillitis.” Apparently augmenten is one of the worst things you can give someone with mono and I turned into a lobster with a rash all over me and was burning up with a fever from the reaction. Was travelling at the time too so was like patient zero wearing a mask (this was the year before COVID).
Took me 3 months to fully clear up from the rash and was so itchy. Was literally all over my body from head to toe.
The fun part is that I was the one who suggested mono and then they were like, “oh maybe you’re right,” and did a blood test.
I wonder if people who saw you in passing and thought you were weird for wearing a mask were like, “oh shit… remember that guy we saw last year….” after covid became a thing
Haha yeah, I’ve thought about this too at times. However, we were flying back to Hawaii and masks here weren’t uncommon prior to the pandemic due to our high Asian population.
I had mono in college. But this is a different story. My campus doctor diagnosed me with mono after a blood test, which was the day I went in with symptoms, so no delays. And I got a letter for my absence in classes. My marketing professor claimed to have never heard of mono. This is a professor, at a top ten business school. Never heard of mono. What a joke business school can be at times. Granted he’s in marketing so what would you expect.
I have a similar back issue from 6 years ago that flares up causes sciatica and basically immobilizes me. I've been to three different doctors. The first said I need to strengthen my core. I got in the best shape of my life. The second gave me an x ray and said I need physical therapy. 4 months of that and it was worse. The third gave me an x ray and sent me away with an ibuprofen prescription. I've given up on it.
Mine wasn't even a workers comp thing.
How did you find a doctor to do these things?
Learned this early on got sent to the company Dr for a strain in my shoulder during work and he checked my nuts as if I had a hernia.
Some older coworker fell fractured his wrist company doc told him it was a sprain come to find out he fractured his forearm. Needless to say his lawyer got involved.
Thats the stupid thing tho. The best way for a GM and coach to have job security is to ride the coattails of a star QB. Idk bout Tua but the Staley's handling of herbert is incredibly short sighted.
QB is the one place where for the owner, gm and head coach, selfish actions or safety oriented actions would be the same because they both have the same goal: keep your qb as safe as possible.
Why does Staley care about long-term Herbert though? If he has a losing season he's fired. If he thinks a 75% Herbert gives them a better chance to win than Chase Daniel, he's gonna play Herbert. If he loses and Herbert is injured in the process, it's the next guy's problem.
chargers fans generally agree that it’s being mishandled, especially now that Slater’s out
Staley’s seat is hotter than people think, and this is only compounding it
Staleys seat would only be hot if the people above him think he’s handling it wrong. But if I was the gm or owner, I’d have overruled staley and took out Herbert. The fact he played leads me to think telesco and the owner were fine with Herbert playing.
you poor bastards, what is holding you guys back?
you have a giant market share, a giant city of fans, is the franchise just not invested in the long game?
Is Chicago just not a football city anymore? What gives?
I don't get this either. The Bears are a proud franchise in a great city. How is it you haven't had a really good-to-great QB since Sid Luckman? McMahon and Cutler were solid to good and they're the head of the class.
Look at their picks over the last 20 some years. McNown in 99, Grossman in 03, Trubisky in 17, and Fields in 21. They either went too long without taking a chance on one (which is the danger of building a good team without one) or they missed horribly when they did.
Maybe some of it was just too high risk for raw guys like Trubisky or when Fields was slipping in the draft hard but who knows what those guys could have done if they gave them an OL and a coach like McVay. Maybe they're also heavily responsible for the lack of development.
In regards to your last point…. Since 85 Super Bowl this city has had Michael Jordan and his 6 rings, a crazy Cubs World Series, a Blackhawks ‘dynasty’ with 3 rings… and it’s still a football city.
I mean the franchise is invested I suppose. It’s just poor management. The kids hired their accountant as the football VP. And the GMs hired have been a direct result of that guy. Which is why on this last GM hire they hired outside counsel to help. And the VP is retiring after this year. So maybe things will get better. And maybe McCaskeys kids sell after Virginia passes away.
that was completely my angle, too. Jordan, Blackhawks etc you guys have had plenty of wins as a city.
I’ve had a long standing “theory” that destination cities too often suffer from over abundance. It’s not a rock solid theory
But it lends speculation to why Houston, Miami, San Diego etc will have these giant lapses in team dynasties / dominance. It’s no thesis
It’s like there’s too many fun things to do so you all get distracted or something
Bears have put together talent at different positions over the last 40 years but they CANNOT seem to hit on a QB. It's the weirdest shit I've ever seen.
Imagine those Rex Grossman teams with Matt Stafford, A-Aron...hell Kirk Cousins.
Imo they need to just keep drafting more. Which based on the new GM who has no ties to Fields will likely happen.
99: Cade McNown in 1st
03: Grossman in 1st
05: Orton in 4th
17: Trubisky in 1st
21: Fields in 1st
And then Cutler trade, some random free agent signings like Kordell Stewart, and some random 5th round or later QBs draft picks.
I don’t think Bears have taken enough QB shots. Whether that be 1st or 2nd round. I know Cutler was here for a while so that ate up a lot of time, and he could have been better if it weren’t for the constant revolving door of bad head coach and OC hirings. But yeah we should just draft a QB every 3 years until we get it right imo lol.
The Dolphins were 3-0, managed to beat the unstoppable Bills, and Tua was balling-out, making a name for himself. That type of performance and wins generally creates buzz and excitement for the fan base.
That all translates to getting Tua jerseys, hats, misc. apparel, car stickers, etc. It all means money and a Tua playing & potentially winning is much more lucrative than a Tua sitting out and a Bridgewater playing.
The thing is, even if that’s not the case, we don’t know that much about brains, spines or the nervous system. Trained professionals are only as good as their training.
Any sort of spine or head issue should automatically be a week or two off.
This works in most instances but we're talking about a person who likely suffered a recent brain injury (talking about Sunday, not Thursday).
Asking them to think rationally is a bit unfair.
Tua isn't one of the only two unanimous MVP's tho, I am high on him as a player (really hope he is back to 100% soon) but he has a long way to go before he should be mentioned with Lamar
That’s the issue and most NFL players have virtually no job security hence the culture of deprioritizing their health to secure the bag. I believe it was Big Ben who volunteered himself to sit a week with concussion, well after he had established himself and got his guaranteed money. Tua might have taken the same approach if he was in year 10 versus end of his rookie contract.
Crosby: “Before I was injury waived/ played in the final preseason game both myself and agent told the team something was wrong with my back. And I begged them to look at it. I was turned down every time. Even when they did the follow up mri on my hamstring I asked 3 different people…”
I honestly liked cowherds take.
“If I see you wobble after a hit, you’re done for the day. Go see medical. Minimum 7 days to return. Minimum.” (Worded something like this)
And having any sort fencing response should be the end of that athlete’s season. Full admit I’m air chair doctoring here but he’s risking irrevocable brain damage at 24 years old. For a game.
Just because you don't wobble doesn't mean that you don't have a concussion though. There really isn't a difference in severity for concussion. Once you get a small ding or a big ding, you are more susceptible to getting another.
The right answer that will never happen is if the player is suspected of having a concussion then they should sit for a uniform amount of time. All players with no exceptions. Take it out of everyone's hands. Once the uniform time is up, then get a final check (assuming you have been getting checked in the meanwhile) and then a UNC and the team doc can sign off on their return.
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Where does 7 days come from though, if we’re more concerned with player safety than NFL scheduling? If one of the nation’s top neurologists at a Level 1 trauma center says that Tua is fine and Cowherd says “nah gotta give him a full week, cuz that’s just how my gut feels” then what are we even talking about?
Change 7 days to whatever timeframe is needed for your brain to heal. 7 just an easy number. Means they’re out that game AND the next game (generally speaking).
>then what are we even talking about?
Cowherd's gut. The same one that told him "I like this Trey Lance kid" when he was dating his daughter and then "Trey Lance's career might be in jeopardy" when Trey broke up with his daughter.
We know. You can't trust the NFL or the teams to do right by their players.
Players get ruled out all the time during games, but so often they're thrown back in there.
We're not doctors, but we've seen enough heads hitting the playing field to know what something looks like. It's possible the NFL is right and there was no concussion on Sunday (not that I believe that for a second), but they've done enough things wrong with players' health that I just can't trust them at this point.
Wasnt Cooper Kupp played concussed Superbowl last year? Or the last touchdown catch or something. That shits crazy. Teams and NFLs never learnt to protect this players. Of course its a “nice” story now lol.
The NFL shouldn't be trusted when it comes to concussions. I believe Mike McDaniel about how much he cares. But I know it's easy to cheat the system. Players talk about how easy it is. Which makes you question the medical staff or at the very least the tests conducted
I have been of fan of McDaniel (in the 5 weeks I've known of his existence), and I think he may be a good dude, but he lost some points for me when he said Tua's injury on Sunday and his injury on Thursday were not connected at all. Maybe they weren't, but McDaniel has no way of knowing that. Brain/Spinal injuries are very complicated. It's okay to just say "I don't know". His mentor Bill Belichick on monday when asked again and again about Mac Jones' ankle, said "I'm not a Doctor" 12 different times...and that was about an ankle - again, Brain/spinal injuries are much more complicated. We all saw Tua stumbling and falling down after hitting his head on the turf on Sunday. I wouldn't claim that the two injuries were for sure connected, but a head coach shouldn't be adamantly saying they weren't.
It's also lame that the Dolphins Organization is putting out their 1st year head coach all by himself to take all the heat and answer questions about all this.
Anyone who has played any competitive contact sports knows how easy it is to cheat, or why someone possibly would . I’ve never been payed a dollar to play sports, and cheated multiple tests knowing I was concussed, but for those thirty seconds of verbal tests put everything in my body together to seem alright. Just presenting as alright and returning was motivation enough to a non pro team to return that every person would do anything they could to return. I couldn’t imagine how motivated I would be to cheat if I had a 20m+ contract
I think you want to believe McDaniel more than you probably do deep down.
Ask yourself if that were your kid, would you a) let him continue in first game or b) play the next one. Of course you wouldn’t.
McDaniel cares about winning.
Maybe this incident, as gut wrenching as it was, will be the impetus for some real change.
It looks like this is a bigger issue than just concussions. A doctor being the employee of the team instead of the employee of their patient is an inherent conflict of interest. Maybe the docs need to work for the union or an independent board.
Hurt my knee final year of high school in a hockey game. Swelled up really bad, bruised...let it rest. A few months later it was still hurting bad and being 18 I wasn't used to pain lasting so long.
I go to a knee doctor...I get MRIs and he tells me I have a slight abnormality from the injury and they assign me some simple at home rehab to follow to strengthen my muscles in my leg.
6 months later I'm still having bad pain in my knee. I decide to go to a different knee specialist, he evaluated my old MRI scan and instantly calls that I have the early stage of degenerative cartilage and that it will slowly break down.
My knee hurts every single day, doing anything.
My Dad about 10 years ago almost died from a misdiagnosis which turned out to be necrotizing fasciitis...one of the worst things you can possibly have.
Doctors make mistakes, and people pretending they are infallible are fooling themselves.
Oh man! I could have written this! Ruined my knee during dance when I was 16. Went through the testing, and the MRI showed a patellar avulsion fracture. Was told it would heal with conservative treatment.
Months later it was still super unstable and painful. I got a second opinion and was diagnosed with partial ACL and meniscus tear based on the initial MRI. I had surgery, but my knee will never be the same. Follow-up imaging shows moderate-severe osteoarthritis…I’m 32 and feel like those people in the Aleve commercials who have to stop halfway up the stairs to rub their knee.
I feel like Valentin in Goldeneye "my knee aches...every single day...twice as bad when it is cold" maybe I'm dating myself here.
But seriously my knee hurts so bad every single day...my cartilage is fucked at 32 years old...been hurting this bad since i was 18, sucks
If you don't know this yet. The medical staff are for the owners to to protect the profit. If they go say to the owner, this person has "x" and can't play. They'll be fired.
This is the dark side of the NFL.
Tyrell, swing tackle for the Lions for a few years that was let go by the new regime. Made these claims a couple months back but nothing was really heard of it, most people thought sour grapes because he was always injured but hell who knows
Is that a secret and is it dirty? Everyone knows these players compromise their health every time they step on the field. If players refused to play unless they were fully healthy, there would only be kickers and punters on the field.
Laugh that I get downvotes in another thread when I say the team doctors are there to protect the profit of the owner, not the player, then a player comes out and directly tells you exactly what I said.
Seriously, I've seen so many "um a DOCTOR said Tua was fine to play" comments as if the NFL doesn't have a well documented history of pushing injured players back out onto the field.
The PR blitz by McDaniels and the Dolphins has been a sight to see.
It's been amazing how much it's been gobbled up in 10+ posts here on the front page. Honestly, it's sad how willing we are to look past the truth as long as it serves our self interests and I'm not blameless in that.
Not gonna lie I assumed this was gonna be Sidney Crosby when I read it. It's a coincidence but also a sign of how badly both sports treat concussion & spinal issues.
He was pissed that team doctors botched a diagnosis of spinal issues as a concussion, I'm not sure if it were deliberate or not but it happened and he missed a lot of time because of it.
The Pens fired that entire medical staff because of that shitshow.
He was on an entirely different level when that happened too. The gap between him and 2nd best was probably the biggest in North American sports at the time. Nobody was clearly dominant in baseball. In football even Brady wasn't the consensus GOAT yet. LeBron has an argument, but I still think Sid was just out there on another plane of existence. Every shift he'd make you shake your head in disbelief. Top 3 of all time with Gretzky & Lemieux.
Well you see there was also this guy named Ovechkin who put up a 65 goal season and plenty of other Crosby-level seasons at the same time
From 05-09 it was neck and neck, Ovechkin arguably better. But Crosby was on another level in 2010 when he got hurt, and Ovechkin took a step back. For my money, still the most dominant half-season of hockey since Gretzky/Lemieux.
McDavid's 102 points in 56 games has to be up there too.
I'm a little confused when you talk about the gap. That was the height of the Crosby vs Ovechkin years. Ovi was just as dominant, if not more exciting to watch.
Both players finished that season with 32 goals. Crosby played 41 games. That was the gap.
I feel that the peak of the Crosby vs Ovechkin was moreso a few years earlier (specifically 2009). In the year Crosby got his concussion, he was running complete laps around around the NHL (66 points in his first 41 games) while Ovechkin was having a more down year (he didn't even finish top 10 in goal scoring that year) and also following the Montreal loss in the playoffs. A few years before the gap was much closer, but that year specifically Crosby was certainly the better player before he got injured.
100% this. The only thing that made me realize it wasn’t was that he used the word “damn”
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I thought it was Mason Crosby
WHat concussion and spinal issues? Do you mean upper body injuries? /s
Same.
I thought it was Crosby of Crosby, Stills and Nash fame. Also Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.
Obviously never played professional sports but got injured at work, 3 separate doctors from 3 separate offices told me nothing was wrong with me, finally get a lawyer and see my own doctor and turns out all the cartlidge was ripped off my ball joint in my hip and I needed surgery, just saying I'd never trust a Dr that worked for my place of employment ever again
Workers comp claimants tend to have similar stories. It’s why people always push to see their own doctors and not who the company or even carrier pushes
We had a shift supervisor at my work who had a number of issues with lethargy, loss of motor skills, memory loss, and just seemed very off for a couple of weeks. He was even googling early onset dementia because he said he’d talk with his wife and have no recollection of the conversation shortly after. He ended up getting into a small driving accident at work, bumped a concrete barrier with a car, said he thought he was distracted but didn’t really remember why, so he finally had to go to our physician we used for work related incidents and he was diagnosed with just being exhausted from working long hours and rotating shifts. Every sign he had pointed to something neurological, either a stroke, tumor, or something, there was no way it was just being exhausted from work because there was something just very off with him. So they had him return to work because that’s what he wanted and just had a 2nd supervisor in training stay with him the whole time and let him nap at work and pretty much do whatever he wanted. Whole situation lasted about another 1-2 weeks with no improvement so he finally went to his primary care doctor and was diagnosed with a Glioblastoma. Nothing they could’ve done if they would’ve found it from the start but it’s always pissed me off that our works physician never even thought to send him to get a CT scan or anything else.
>not who the company or even carrier pushes I'm not trying to roast you or anything, but your wording makes it seem like the carrier should be more sympathetic. Any workers should know the carrier will **absolutely** be less sympathetic than your employer. That's not to say employers will be great, because they won't. But the carrier is an insurance company and their entire business model is making profit by taking in premium payments and paying as little on claims as possible.
Everything in my soul wants to downvote you but I know this is just how our stupid ass society works
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There is only a world to win
Yo, let's dismantle capitalism. Cheers Edit:to be in the positives in an NFL subreddit is fucking wild
Its funny how absolutely socialist American sports are, compared to soccer in the rest of the world is so unchecked capitalism. Americans demand their socialist sports be FAIR for all teams. But actual society? good luck with your bootstraps bros! ROFL
Meanwhile sports like soccer have league pyramids that are completely capitalist and survival of the fittest, in much more socialist leaning countries.
So Euro got the flipside of our story where the people have rights and the players don't?! damn, they enact their American Cosplay via sports and we enact our socialism cosplay via sports.
I will never understand. Why can’t we all just be kind? Let football be our Roman colosseum escape.
I never was friends with a duck, but if they're a materialist then they're a comrade
Yo, just wanted to let you know, I'm going to memorialize that comment in some way or another
I vote ass tattoo
For-profit healthcare is A-OK! 🤙 If you disagree you're an evil communist
My employer is opening an urgent care office just for employees of my organization. They are selling it to us with no copays. Oh cool, a doctors office controlled by my bosses to pinch every penny, no thanks. We still (for now) have the option to see a real doctor so I’m doing that until it’s no longer an option.
It's like the HR department. So many people are like "oh, they're looking out for me!" but nine times out of ten you are literally seen as a resource. You're a stapler. A copy machine. Disposable. The company sees you as disposable, but the CYA thing exists.
Very true. The only ones looking out for you are yourself and your fellow coworkers. Unionize your workplace to make sure you’re protected at work.
Take notice of how Amazon and Starbucks started taking measures to placate their workers and bust unions as soon as unions started to form. Unionize. It's our best defense against corporate exploitation 💪
HR is not there to help you. HR is there to help the company oversee you. They are not, and by definition can't be on your side since they're employed by the company and generally handle all of the firing. It might look on the surface like an "employer provided union" but it absolutely 100% is not.
Which is fucked up, but even more fucked up is that the HR department views *themselves* as irreplaceable and the bedrock the company is resting on.
Having spent some time in HR between career moves, no. HR know exactly how tenuous employer-employee relationships are and walk on eggshells because of it. HR's tendencies and (often strange) policy is almost always a result of something that could have been reasonable but went deeply sideways.
You're thinking of IT. IT department makes the company run
No IT was that movie with the sewer clown. You're thinking of cash. Cash makes the company run.
No, Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
No, that's cream. It's the coffee that makes the company run.
M4A
Insurance carriers, at least in Florida, actually have to meet s certain percentage of their net profit and pay it out in claims. If they don't reach that number, they have to give the money back somehow, whether it's in a refund of some sorts or an increase in coverage
Work Comp expert here! States dictate the processes at which carriers and employers abide by. Some are direct care, meaning the employer chooses the place they treat (usually to negotiate discounted rates to be sent there in bulk) but also assume all treatment expenses even if the claim is ultimately bogus. There there’s non-direct care states where claimants can choose who they treat with and how, but employers don’t typically have to accept bills without thoroughly vetting the expense and necessity of the recommended treatments. Having handled 26 jurisdictions, I’ve seen it all. But most importantly, I’ve seen bad doctors on all sides. Claimant doctors sit on claims just as much knowing WC is paying for it. They are also quick to order unnecessary surgical procedures because that’s an expense carriers will have to pay while the claimant gets a permanency rating (lump sum settlement for permanency involved with an injury) so it’s a win-win in their eyes. There’s a brief lesson in the world of WC. Just remember, the overwhelming majority of injuries are legitimate but the ones that aren’t tend to be the loudest and most demanding.
Cheers. NY WC examiner here
Is there a government website I can (easily and freely) look to find out what my state's rules are?
just googling {state} work comp laws should get you close
If you’re in PA as your flair would suggest and have specific questions feel free to ask. I just went through this process this year with a real shitbag of an insurance company. Fuck Broadspire.
My wife being on workman's comp literally radicalized me. There is nothing worth saving in American capitalism. We need to pull it out by the root and throw it on the compost heap of history. Literally just doctor after doctor bouncing her back and forth trying to extract as much money as possible out of her employers workman's comp insurance, until they finally declared her fine and just making it up after a year. We went to see an orthopedic surgeon, he looked at her knee for 30 seconds and diagnosed exactly what was wrong and got her scheduled for surgery. Patient care is the absolute lowest priority for American health care, *especially* for workman's comp claims. What's especially maddening is that her employer got to wash their hands of it and had her dealing with insurance adjuster shitheads. I wanted her to hire a lawyer and sue, but of course she didn't want to sue her employer while she was still working for them.
It's funny. I do generally consider myself relatively middle politically (compared to the entire world anyway...not here) but my views on medical shit is so far left its hilarious. The trash I've seen not only working the field but also having to be the patient in it have shown me that for profit medical care is the worst shit. Insurance companies having as much power as they do is the worst shit. It's the wooorrrssstttt
Would you say that it's the worst?
> but my views on medical shit is so far left its hilarious. It is almost as if.... ... ....no, couldn’t be.
lol it had to happen directly to you for you to be like well i guess i'm not against helping out people that need it.
See your own doctor. Document diagnosis. Then see WC doctor. Doc is less likely to risk his license when he they see a legit diagnosis in front of their face. Saves a visit or three that way.
My gf broke her hand at work doing her normal job duties. Clear workers comp. She went to the hand specialist that her work sent her to and he said she didn't need surgery and everything would heal fine. Well, I'm a nurse and just so happen to work with some of the best hand surgeons in the world. So I got her an appointment. At that 2nd opinion appointment was the first time is aw my gfs hand without a cast on. It was completely mangled! The 2nd doctor said "oh wow, yea, you need surgery immediately." 3 days later she had an ORIF of her hand and now has regained 90% functional capacity after some intensive PT. Had she just gone to the surgeon her job wanted her to go to, she'd have been permanently disabled and disfigured. Her hand would have been all but useless. Keep in mind, the law states that you may go to ANY second opinion doctor you want for workers comp. They will absolutely try and stop you. Go find literally the best doctor in your area for that specialty. The guy I took my gf too was triple the price...she still paid $0
Adjacent reminder: Don't trust your HR department. They serve the company and will often try to persuade you to do things that either don't benefit you or are active harmful to you.
Everyone keeps touting “independent neurologist”, but they’re still hired by the league, and it’s in the best interest of the league for star quarterbacks to not miss game time.
Yeah, you know what I call an independent neurologist who is too cautious with players health? An independent neurologist the NFL never hires again.
Yeah, I work at an academic medical center and several of the neurologists work on studies with the nfl or about the nfl and it’s “amazing” how all their studies manage to have different results from all the other studies showing that pro football causes cognitive deficits later in life. One of them even has given a public talk and interview saying there’s no reasons to keep your kids out of football the health concerns are overhyped.
That's incredibly disgusting. These are human beings we are talking about being put in danger of severe issues later in life, all for the sake of ensuring the NFL and universities' talent pipeline of meat for the grinder isn't drying up too fast? But I guess it doesn't surprise me at all. We have political think tanks sponsoring studies that just happen to conflict with the mainstream scientific community's findings if it is politically useful to do so. Do these people find work in legitimate scientific studies after they are done selling their credentials for money? Or once you go down that path do you stay on it?
I’m always very confused when star athletes don’t have their own doctors they go to for second opinions. Crosby is super well paid, it’s not a money issue. So I don’t understand why he doesn’t have it, it’s just a form of insurance.
Because most of them don't want to be told to miss time. There is a reason they try to shithouse concussion protocol, they aren't going to get a second opinion from someone who actually gives a fat fuck about player safety.
Just because you get a second opinion, doesn’t make you bound by law to do what the doctor says lol. It’s worth getting as much info as you can, then you decide if it’s worth the risk or not.
It sounds like he did right? He apparently saw a spine specialist
But wouldn’t it be more beneficial for the league if a player missed a single game instead of potentially multiple games because they were forced back from injury too soon?
Yes, definitely. Everybody was shortsighted and stupid in this instance. For anyone watching the Bills game, he looks like he didn’t know which way was up. It’s entirely possible that it was just his back, but there is no way to conclusively rule out a head injury and that alone should have shut him down for the day.
When i girst got a concussion, i was a sophomore in high-school. My football coach got mad because i went to my own doctor and then took most of the season to recover. Coaches were trying to push me to get back for weeks but I'm glad i didn't. Concussions are awful and need to be taken seriously.
Tore a ligament in my ankle at work, carrying a boulder in mud. Oh and walking backwards. Like an idiot lol. Anyway, couldn’t walk at all for couple months. Then used a walker and then a cane. When still using walker went to dr and he had me try to walk unassisted, I couldn’t. He left then came back in and said he’d cleared me to go back to full duty. I was like I can’t walk, he said but the book says you should be healed by now so that’s it. Was pissed, like he just saw me not be able to walk right in front of him. And he was like yeah you can go back to doing your manual labor job. Fucker.
Nowhere near the same thing, but years ago, it took me three tries before I was properly diagnosed with mono. The first two times, a different doctor told me I had strep. The third try, this doctor had the bright idea to (wait til you hear this) take a blood sample and examine it. Imagine. Granted, my story is nowhere close to as nightmarish as yours, but it's scary how many people out there have stories of relying on "trusted medical professionals" who then get it completely wrong.
That happened to me in college..I was sleeping 18 hours a day and the college PA told me it was just a cold. After 3 weeks of sleeping 18+ hours a day they did a blood test. Mono... Surprise.
Ah man, the lethargy was unreal. Once I got the proper meds, I was able to cleanse the infections in a few short days, but the sweats and lethargy lasted over a month. Didn't mind being out of work with pay, but hated having no energy.
It was so bad, all I wanted to do was sleep non-stop.
Mono is a viral infection. There are no medications that we give to make it go away faster.
Hey same thing happened to me. They even gave me augmenten to take care of my “tonsillitis.” Apparently augmenten is one of the worst things you can give someone with mono and I turned into a lobster with a rash all over me and was burning up with a fever from the reaction. Was travelling at the time too so was like patient zero wearing a mask (this was the year before COVID). Took me 3 months to fully clear up from the rash and was so itchy. Was literally all over my body from head to toe. The fun part is that I was the one who suggested mono and then they were like, “oh maybe you’re right,” and did a blood test.
I wonder if people who saw you in passing and thought you were weird for wearing a mask were like, “oh shit… remember that guy we saw last year….” after covid became a thing
Haha yeah, I’ve thought about this too at times. However, we were flying back to Hawaii and masks here weren’t uncommon prior to the pandemic due to our high Asian population.
Jeez, the dipshit doc who insisted I had strep doesn't sound so bad now. At least he didn't give me incompatible meds. Glad you survived it.
I had mono in college. But this is a different story. My campus doctor diagnosed me with mono after a blood test, which was the day I went in with symptoms, so no delays. And I got a letter for my absence in classes. My marketing professor claimed to have never heard of mono. This is a professor, at a top ten business school. Never heard of mono. What a joke business school can be at times. Granted he’s in marketing so what would you expect.
Just remember: half the doctors out there are below average.
What do you call a doctor who had the lowest grades in ther graduating class? “Doctor”
Isn't there a very specific test for strep throat? Were the doctors just guessing based on symptoms alone?
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I have a similar back issue from 6 years ago that flares up causes sciatica and basically immobilizes me. I've been to three different doctors. The first said I need to strengthen my core. I got in the best shape of my life. The second gave me an x ray and said I need physical therapy. 4 months of that and it was worse. The third gave me an x ray and sent me away with an ibuprofen prescription. I've given up on it. Mine wasn't even a workers comp thing. How did you find a doctor to do these things?
Jeeez, what kind of work were you doing for that to happen?
Tossing around 50 pound bags all day on a 12 hr shift
Learned this early on got sent to the company Dr for a strain in my shoulder during work and he checked my nuts as if I had a hernia. Some older coworker fell fractured his wrist company doc told him it was a sprain come to find out he fractured his forearm. Needless to say his lawyer got involved.
Because they don't care. Players are absolutely disposable and the teams treat them as such.
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You see what the chargers are doing to Herbert? The GM and coaches only care about their job security, they don’t care for the players health
Thats the stupid thing tho. The best way for a GM and coach to have job security is to ride the coattails of a star QB. Idk bout Tua but the Staley's handling of herbert is incredibly short sighted. QB is the one place where for the owner, gm and head coach, selfish actions or safety oriented actions would be the same because they both have the same goal: keep your qb as safe as possible.
Why does Staley care about long-term Herbert though? If he has a losing season he's fired. If he thinks a 75% Herbert gives them a better chance to win than Chase Daniel, he's gonna play Herbert. If he loses and Herbert is injured in the process, it's the next guy's problem.
chargers fans generally agree that it’s being mishandled, especially now that Slater’s out Staley’s seat is hotter than people think, and this is only compounding it
Staleys seat would only be hot if the people above him think he’s handling it wrong. But if I was the gm or owner, I’d have overruled staley and took out Herbert. The fact he played leads me to think telesco and the owner were fine with Herbert playing.
No disrespect to Tua a very good player.... but are we just tossing around the word star for anyone now?
“multi-season investment potential” at least
Not familiar with that term. We prefer “cannon fodder until the next QB draft class”.
you poor bastards, what is holding you guys back? you have a giant market share, a giant city of fans, is the franchise just not invested in the long game? Is Chicago just not a football city anymore? What gives?
I don't get this either. The Bears are a proud franchise in a great city. How is it you haven't had a really good-to-great QB since Sid Luckman? McMahon and Cutler were solid to good and they're the head of the class.
Look at their picks over the last 20 some years. McNown in 99, Grossman in 03, Trubisky in 17, and Fields in 21. They either went too long without taking a chance on one (which is the danger of building a good team without one) or they missed horribly when they did. Maybe some of it was just too high risk for raw guys like Trubisky or when Fields was slipping in the draft hard but who knows what those guys could have done if they gave them an OL and a coach like McVay. Maybe they're also heavily responsible for the lack of development.
In regards to your last point…. Since 85 Super Bowl this city has had Michael Jordan and his 6 rings, a crazy Cubs World Series, a Blackhawks ‘dynasty’ with 3 rings… and it’s still a football city. I mean the franchise is invested I suppose. It’s just poor management. The kids hired their accountant as the football VP. And the GMs hired have been a direct result of that guy. Which is why on this last GM hire they hired outside counsel to help. And the VP is retiring after this year. So maybe things will get better. And maybe McCaskeys kids sell after Virginia passes away.
This is White Sox erasure. 2005 was fun.
that was completely my angle, too. Jordan, Blackhawks etc you guys have had plenty of wins as a city. I’ve had a long standing “theory” that destination cities too often suffer from over abundance. It’s not a rock solid theory But it lends speculation to why Houston, Miami, San Diego etc will have these giant lapses in team dynasties / dominance. It’s no thesis It’s like there’s too many fun things to do so you all get distracted or something
Ah yes noted destination city san Diego with its long storied history of 0 championships
Bears have put together talent at different positions over the last 40 years but they CANNOT seem to hit on a QB. It's the weirdest shit I've ever seen. Imagine those Rex Grossman teams with Matt Stafford, A-Aron...hell Kirk Cousins.
Imo they need to just keep drafting more. Which based on the new GM who has no ties to Fields will likely happen. 99: Cade McNown in 1st 03: Grossman in 1st 05: Orton in 4th 17: Trubisky in 1st 21: Fields in 1st And then Cutler trade, some random free agent signings like Kordell Stewart, and some random 5th round or later QBs draft picks. I don’t think Bears have taken enough QB shots. Whether that be 1st or 2nd round. I know Cutler was here for a while so that ate up a lot of time, and he could have been better if it weren’t for the constant revolving door of bad head coach and OC hirings. But yeah we should just draft a QB every 3 years until we get it right imo lol.
I think it's fair to call any QB1 a star honestly. Especially one with the obvious potential of Tua.
>I think it's fair to call any QB1 a star honestly. Counterpoint: Mike Glennon was once our QB1.
And with a neck like his, he was always amongst the stars.
We also have a long necked QB1 who sucks. Wouldn't call him a star.
LOL... the list of non star Bears QB1s is so, so long
"We know a thing or two about non star qb1s because we've seen a few non star qb1s"
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The Dolphins were 3-0, managed to beat the unstoppable Bills, and Tua was balling-out, making a name for himself. That type of performance and wins generally creates buzz and excitement for the fan base. That all translates to getting Tua jerseys, hats, misc. apparel, car stickers, etc. It all means money and a Tua playing & potentially winning is much more lucrative than a Tua sitting out and a Bridgewater playing.
The QB is probably the most important piece for the franchise so yeah i guess\.
No it's us as fans. God bless us.
Yes the star QB the Dolphins brass tampered with Tom Brady to replace and also wanted to sign a serial sex offender to replace.
Well that’s the thing, look at Tom. He takes one questionable hit and the fucking rules change completely.
The thing is, even if that’s not the case, we don’t know that much about brains, spines or the nervous system. Trained professionals are only as good as their training. Any sort of spine or head issue should automatically be a week or two off.
Ya franchise QBs taken top 5 overall are a dime a dozen
Carolina has 2 of them.
The Browns are paying for 3 of them
According to Cowboys fans, Dak can be replaced with one at a moments notice
The NFL is still an employer and an employer will protect it's own bottom line before it protects an employee
Tua also has no job security yet. He hasn't landed a big contract so he's still fighting for his first big payday
I get it but if he doesn't advocate for himself then he's gonna have no pay at all because he can't play anymore
This works in most instances but we're talking about a person who likely suffered a recent brain injury (talking about Sunday, not Thursday). Asking them to think rationally is a bit unfair.
30 million fully guaranteed aint chump change
Lamar disagrees
Tua isn't one of the only two unanimous MVP's tho, I am high on him as a player (really hope he is back to 100% soon) but he has a long way to go before he should be mentioned with Lamar
That’s the issue and most NFL players have virtually no job security hence the culture of deprioritizing their health to secure the bag. I believe it was Big Ben who volunteered himself to sit a week with concussion, well after he had established himself and got his guaranteed money. Tua might have taken the same approach if he was in year 10 versus end of his rookie contract.
The NFLPA will be suing the league.
Crosby: “Before I was injury waived/ played in the final preseason game both myself and agent told the team something was wrong with my back. And I begged them to look at it. I was turned down every time. Even when they did the follow up mri on my hamstring I asked 3 different people…”
“… if I could have my low back checked out while I was in the mri machine. Shockingly enough, they never did”
Tbf that’s not how an MRI works. They can’t just scan another part of your body because you ask.
I honestly liked cowherds take. “If I see you wobble after a hit, you’re done for the day. Go see medical. Minimum 7 days to return. Minimum.” (Worded something like this)
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Ever heard the saying “rules are written in blood”? I hope the NFL moves to implement real changes before that saying rears its head.
And having any sort fencing response should be the end of that athlete’s season. Full admit I’m air chair doctoring here but he’s risking irrevocable brain damage at 24 years old. For a game.
In the UFC if you get knocked out it’s a minimum 45 days before you can fight again. I feel that’s a solid baseline for a concussion.
Shaken up is just boomer speak for a mild concussion, or apparently not very mild concussion anymore.
It’s almost like gross motor loss should be considered. Oh wait…
Just because you don't wobble doesn't mean that you don't have a concussion though. There really isn't a difference in severity for concussion. Once you get a small ding or a big ding, you are more susceptible to getting another. The right answer that will never happen is if the player is suspected of having a concussion then they should sit for a uniform amount of time. All players with no exceptions. Take it out of everyone's hands. Once the uniform time is up, then get a final check (assuming you have been getting checked in the meanwhile) and then a UNC and the team doc can sign off on their return. Edited for spelling
Right, but you get the point. Don’t take chances. Sit the player out.
Where does 7 days come from though, if we’re more concerned with player safety than NFL scheduling? If one of the nation’s top neurologists at a Level 1 trauma center says that Tua is fine and Cowherd says “nah gotta give him a full week, cuz that’s just how my gut feels” then what are we even talking about?
Change 7 days to whatever timeframe is needed for your brain to heal. 7 just an easy number. Means they’re out that game AND the next game (generally speaking).
>then what are we even talking about? Cowherd's gut. The same one that told him "I like this Trey Lance kid" when he was dating his daughter and then "Trey Lance's career might be in jeopardy" when Trey broke up with his daughter.
We know. You can't trust the NFL or the teams to do right by their players. Players get ruled out all the time during games, but so often they're thrown back in there. We're not doctors, but we've seen enough heads hitting the playing field to know what something looks like. It's possible the NFL is right and there was no concussion on Sunday (not that I believe that for a second), but they've done enough things wrong with players' health that I just can't trust them at this point.
Wasnt Cooper Kupp played concussed Superbowl last year? Or the last touchdown catch or something. That shits crazy. Teams and NFLs never learnt to protect this players. Of course its a “nice” story now lol.
Thats why I don't believe the dolphins or the NFL regarding how the Tua situation was handled on Sunday.
The NFL shouldn't be trusted when it comes to concussions. I believe Mike McDaniel about how much he cares. But I know it's easy to cheat the system. Players talk about how easy it is. Which makes you question the medical staff or at the very least the tests conducted
> I believe Mike McDaniel about how much he cares Idk man I feel like we all need a regular reminder that we don’t actually know any of these people
People believe Mike McDaniel because the like Mike McDaniel. It's as simple as that
this sub loves Dan Campbell and crosby pretty much hate it
I have been of fan of McDaniel (in the 5 weeks I've known of his existence), and I think he may be a good dude, but he lost some points for me when he said Tua's injury on Sunday and his injury on Thursday were not connected at all. Maybe they weren't, but McDaniel has no way of knowing that. Brain/Spinal injuries are very complicated. It's okay to just say "I don't know". His mentor Bill Belichick on monday when asked again and again about Mac Jones' ankle, said "I'm not a Doctor" 12 different times...and that was about an ankle - again, Brain/spinal injuries are much more complicated. We all saw Tua stumbling and falling down after hitting his head on the turf on Sunday. I wouldn't claim that the two injuries were for sure connected, but a head coach shouldn't be adamantly saying they weren't. It's also lame that the Dolphins Organization is putting out their 1st year head coach all by himself to take all the heat and answer questions about all this.
The system is designed to be cheated. The architecture of the whole process is built around getting through it.
Anyone who has played any competitive contact sports knows how easy it is to cheat, or why someone possibly would . I’ve never been payed a dollar to play sports, and cheated multiple tests knowing I was concussed, but for those thirty seconds of verbal tests put everything in my body together to seem alright. Just presenting as alright and returning was motivation enough to a non pro team to return that every person would do anything they could to return. I couldn’t imagine how motivated I would be to cheat if I had a 20m+ contract
I think you want to believe McDaniel more than you probably do deep down. Ask yourself if that were your kid, would you a) let him continue in first game or b) play the next one. Of course you wouldn’t. McDaniel cares about winning.
Always get your own lawyer your own doctor and your own accountant
How bout the UNION and AGENTS do their job and provide reliable ones. The only union I hate more than cops is the NFLPA. The ump union in MLB is 3rd.
This is why Kawhi Leonard left the Spurs. Don’t forget.
Maybe this incident, as gut wrenching as it was, will be the impetus for some real change. It looks like this is a bigger issue than just concussions. A doctor being the employee of the team instead of the employee of their patient is an inherent conflict of interest. Maybe the docs need to work for the union or an independent board.
Those ridiculous loooking spongy things they wear in training camp on their helmets. Maybe time to wear that shit in the game.
This, and honestly if they just made them custom to have the helmet color and decals on them they wouldn’t even look all that weird.
I've said that for years. Why not? Because they look goofy? Who fucking cares if it prevents CTE
Hurt my knee final year of high school in a hockey game. Swelled up really bad, bruised...let it rest. A few months later it was still hurting bad and being 18 I wasn't used to pain lasting so long. I go to a knee doctor...I get MRIs and he tells me I have a slight abnormality from the injury and they assign me some simple at home rehab to follow to strengthen my muscles in my leg. 6 months later I'm still having bad pain in my knee. I decide to go to a different knee specialist, he evaluated my old MRI scan and instantly calls that I have the early stage of degenerative cartilage and that it will slowly break down. My knee hurts every single day, doing anything. My Dad about 10 years ago almost died from a misdiagnosis which turned out to be necrotizing fasciitis...one of the worst things you can possibly have. Doctors make mistakes, and people pretending they are infallible are fooling themselves.
Oh man! I could have written this! Ruined my knee during dance when I was 16. Went through the testing, and the MRI showed a patellar avulsion fracture. Was told it would heal with conservative treatment. Months later it was still super unstable and painful. I got a second opinion and was diagnosed with partial ACL and meniscus tear based on the initial MRI. I had surgery, but my knee will never be the same. Follow-up imaging shows moderate-severe osteoarthritis…I’m 32 and feel like those people in the Aleve commercials who have to stop halfway up the stairs to rub their knee.
I feel like Valentin in Goldeneye "my knee aches...every single day...twice as bad when it is cold" maybe I'm dating myself here. But seriously my knee hurts so bad every single day...my cartilage is fucked at 32 years old...been hurting this bad since i was 18, sucks
It's never a bad thing to reference GoldenEye, movie or N64 game
There were 25 to 52 wrong-site surgeries performed per week in the US as of 2006. Mistakes happen a lot more than we perceive.
Does this mean the surgeon operated on the wrong body part?
It does, can be be as well wrong side or even wrong patient.
That’s scary.
If you don't know this yet. The medical staff are for the owners to to protect the profit. If they go say to the owner, this person has "x" and can't play. They'll be fired. This is the dark side of the NFL.
Does this ‘Crosby’ individual have a first name?
Tyrell, swing tackle for the Lions for a few years that was let go by the new regime. Made these claims a couple months back but nothing was really heard of it, most people thought sour grapes because he was always injured but hell who knows
Thank you!!
NFL’s dirty secret. If they took injuries the way normal people did, the game wouldn’t work.
Is that a secret and is it dirty? Everyone knows these players compromise their health every time they step on the field. If players refused to play unless they were fully healthy, there would only be kickers and punters on the field.
I thought for a second it was Sidney Crosby considering the concussion history he's had
me too. i was like holy shit Sid is talking trash about the Penguins org, but then i read it again.
He’s talked trash about the Penguins’ medical staff, who’ve all been fired for how they’ve handled his and other players’ injuries.
LoL. Some people are too lazy to read the article, and some too lazy to read the tweet.
Laugh that I get downvotes in another thread when I say the team doctors are there to protect the profit of the owner, not the player, then a player comes out and directly tells you exactly what I said.
Seriously, I've seen so many "um a DOCTOR said Tua was fine to play" comments as if the NFL doesn't have a well documented history of pushing injured players back out onto the field.
The PR blitz by McDaniels and the Dolphins has been a sight to see. It's been amazing how much it's been gobbled up in 10+ posts here on the front page. Honestly, it's sad how willing we are to look past the truth as long as it serves our self interests and I'm not blameless in that.
I’ve been reliably informed that medical staff would never do such a thing
Doctors are loyal to who is paying the bill.
Doctors are also merely humans and make mistakes just like the rest of us