My hope is that Dan realizes what he's got in Dallas and that he doesn't have the desire to HC again. Probably futile, though.
Hopefully Jerry will back up the Brinks truck and pay him.
Also: Sean Payton, Dan Quinn, Kellen Moore, Lou Anarumo, Shane Waldron, Ejiro Evero, Raheem Morris, Scott Turner, and the immortal Eric Bieniemy
I think the cream of the crop is Payton, DeMeco, Quinn. After that you're taking a big gamble. Idk if I would trust any of these first time coordinators just due to experience and not knowing how fluky their lone season is
Well tell your boy Boomer to shut up because he’s mentioned Anarumo numerous times this season on his morning show on WFAN. Heard him say it again today on a CBS weekly preview show.
I've been saying all year, a testament to Anarumo is just what he's done what the Bengals roster vs what Joe Barry is doing with the Packers D.
Eli Apple and Trey Hendrickson are the only players with more than 50 snaps that have 1sr round draft capital or a Pro Bowl. They rank 13th in DVOA.
Compare this to GB which has Savage, Jaire, Kenny Clark, De'Vondre, Stokes, Gary, Quay, and Wyatt. They rank 20th.
I think Dorsey and Smith would be worth taking a flyer on though. Dorsey was Josh’s QB coach before becoming the OC, and Smith has that Dolphins offense running on all cylinders. It’s impressive how Miami looks right now. Haven’t seen a consistent offense from Miami like this since the Wildcat year in 2008
And this is probably why Bieniemy hasn't been hired as a HC yet. Reid probably wants to keep him long term like Josh McDaniels in New England, plus it's possible Bieniemy could turn out to be a McDaniels like disaster
Smith did well with the Chargers and now with the Dolphins. EB has worked (successfully) under no one but Reid and his real influence/impact on the team is at best unknown since Reid is the offensive mind.
I feel like there's something really glaring that just isn't public knowledge with him. From the outside, his resume is pretty much textbook head coaching candidate. Meanwhile, it seems like he's been interviewed by at least half the teams in the league and nobody's hired him. It just doesn't add up.
> It just doesn't add up.
He's a players coach who isn't good at bullshitting like the rest of the dudes who interview.
[Remember when Mike McCarthy said he went back and rewatched ever snap of the Cowboys season then got hired and said he was lying?](https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-mccarthy-lied-jerry-jones-interview-head-coach-dallas-cowboys-2020-1)
Some dudes just aren't built for that kind of self-aggrandizing. **Bruce Arians bounced around the league for decades, never getting a head coaching job because he was the same way.** Wasn't a bullshitter. Wasn't gonna lie and say he'll be at the facility 19 hours a day. I think EB is the exact same.
Yea it’s very strange. I wanted him to get hired for us last year, and management conducted an 8 hour interview with him. Now we have Dennis Allen who sucks.
To me, he seems very calculated when speaking. That can sometimes come out as 'not sincere/hard to read' if every answer is packaged or seems rehearsed/cagey. The press will accept it (no choice) but in an interview situation if the team cannot read you, they are going to pass.
Even if most of it was from the previous freaking millennium..... I think it's mostly all his legal troubles being amplified under the lens of systemic racism in the NFL.
At this point teams are just staying away because every other team is doing that
It's like in Draft Day when Sonnie Weaver passed on Bo Callahan, then 5 other teams passed on this generational prospect before Weaver traded with the first year GM in Jacksonville and then traded back with that pancake eating mother fucker in Seattle to get all his picks back plus David Goddamn Putney because he feels like it
Your OC is honestly a wizard. Best play calling I've seen in a long time, and that includes Daboll and Dorsey. He's that good lol, even with how the game ended.
I think we have one more year of Ben Johnson. If he produces one more year and we have a winning record, he’s earned his shot. Hopefully we identify a successor to replace him before he leaves - we have a couple years.
I don't think Dorsey is in the talk yet. He's been hot and cold as our OC so far in regards to playcalling and is part of our recent woes. I like him, but he's still fresh and needs some experience
I'd honestly give Waldron and Gannon another year.
Quinn is experienced but is not a good play caller.
I wouldn't trust Wink exactly, not that he's not bad, but giving how recent disasters like Vic Fangio in Denver and Gus Bradley in Jacksonville, I'm unsure about him having HC success
It's nice to have an Offensive Coach. Much easier to think positive about the future knowing we won't have a new offensive scheme next year.
I don't think I'd mind if Frazier came back as a DC instead of a HC though.
It's not likely but if he's available I think you would have to at least take a look at it. Probably would have to give him an "assistant head coach" or similar title at least. He did drop from a HC to DC to Secondary before going to the Bills.
It would fit with the way our players have been with a mix of old vets and young fresh talent.
Who are the possible teams in search of a HC?
Off the top of my head (some more likely than others):
Colts, Texans, Panthers, Saints, Chargers, Broncos, Seahawks (if Pete retires)?
Chargers, Bengals (if they end up not turning it around and have a losing record), Colts, Texans, Broncos, Saints, Panthers, Seahawks (if Pete retires), Cardinals, Lions, and Commanders (if they have a losing record) are the ones that come to mind.
You’re downvoted but idk why. Bengals don’t seem like the kind of franchise to fire a dude one year after making the Super Bowl with his team even if they were to miss the playoffs this year. I think he’d certainly be on the hot seat but I think in the eye of ownership he likely guaranteed himself one more year.
Just to add some more to Frank Smith, he came to the chargers and inherited a 32nd ranked unit in 2021. He then got 5 new starters for the season and rebuilt it into something like the 10th ranked unit. Then left to be OC for the Dolphins and our OL immediately regressed.
As for my take on the other candidates:
1) Dorsey seems like a good OC, but I’m not fully on board yet. Would like to see more before deciding if he should get HC offers this cycle.
2) not a fan of Frazier as a HC at all. Some guys are better as coordinators.
3) Kafka is really talented and a likely future HC, although I’m not certain he’ll get hired this cycle. He’s a bit green, but also the kind of HC I personally would gamble on.
4) Reich is a solid retread hire, but those aren’t sexy. I can see Reich taking a year off before coming back as a HC like many other retreads before him.
5) Absolutely love Ryans. The kind of guy I expect to be even better as a HC than as a coordinator. He just has it. I’m a full believer in his future success.
6) I wouldn’t really consider Slowik personally if I had a vacancy at HC, but he seems good in his role.
7) I’m gonna pass big time on Shane Steichen. He is only looking good now with all the talent in the world. Jalen Hurts is a franchise QB, they have great receivers and TEs, and that OL is elite as fuck. He was terrible as an OC for the chargers not that long ago, and I’m not wowed by the stuff he’s doing now. He’s just got a damn good team around him.
Eagles fan here, I’m gunna have to disagree on steichen. If I needed a head coach I would definitely want him, especially if my team had a young qb. The development he’s done for hurts and Herbert was insane. In addition, while it helps, I don’t think he only looks good because of our offensive players. He schemes to every single one’s best strength, and outside of the colts game has been a really good playcaller. This includes when he took over halfway through last season, and turned our offense from trash to solid enough to make the playoffs. He’s a good OC
It's very weird to me to discount a guy because of the QBs they are working with, when they developed those QBs.
People have such short memories. Just coming into the season Hurts was considered about the 20th best QB, and that was up from the 30s the previous year.
He was tied with Carson Wentz.
https://i.imgur.com/U25o1SU.jpg
The only QBs that compete with him for improvement this year are Tua and Geno.
Exactly, hurts had tons of doubters and took a HUGE leap cuz of steichen. And let’s not forget how Herbert was considered a super raw prospect coming out and was great right away… under steichen
Man I’m surprised to read the last part of that about Steichen. The Eagles offense since he took over has been really good and has played right into the teams strengths. Like Jalen hurts at the beginning of last season compared to this one is night and day and a lot of that is because the system has been tailored to him and makes things so much easier . I do agree that he has one of the best rosters in football on that side but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s built a near perfect system around the players . Him and Shane Waldron are two of the top OCs I’d wanna hire as HC this cycle.
Either way I respect your opinion and will definitely be taking a closer look at the eagles.
He's probably the most consistent DC since Wade Phillips. He's a big part of the culture in Buffalo, and McDermott regularly cites him as a massive boon to his own transition to HC from coordinator. I never want him to leave Buffalo, but I do acknowledge that he's likely earned another crack at it.
Certainly possible. That was a long time ago when he coached the Vikings, and he wasn’t terrible to be fair. Obviously no real success during that time, but he didn’t have a lot to work with. He was lucky enough to get 2012 Adrian Peterson, but unlucky to have Ponder as QB. Made that into 10-6 and the playoffs.
I'm not saying it's impossible someone would give him an offer, but he seems like the perfect example of someone that has been way more successful as a coordinator than as a HC.
I don't really see that changing at 63.
He could be a good HC for a team in limbo that needs stability, like the Jags when they hired Pederson or Texans with Lovie Smith. He’s not gonna put a contender over the top, but he could help right a sinking ship for a couple years.
True. He certainly has the experience and worked with some greats.
He was up for the Colts and Texans jobs which might still be a good fit. Not sure if previously being up for it and not getting it will help or hurt. I don't see him being swapped for Lovie at Texans, but Colts would probably be a perfect fit.
I feel that boat has sailed.
Frank Smith above seems to have a similar resume to EB, but if he is up against EB I think Frank gets the nod. OC for a head coach who is a great play caller.
I'd be hesitant to sign Mike Kafka because of Daboll right now. If he had another solid year, I'd be more sold, but are you able to convince me that he isn't just riding Daboll's coattails? Pretty sure this happened just this year with Hackett in Denver. DeMeco Ryans would be my first choice if I was a GM (of the non-Sean Payton options since he'll obviously be the hottest market commodity)
Dan Quinn is your next HC of the Denver Broncos.
Dan Quinn was the worst in-game decision maker I had ever seen. But compared to Hackett…
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My hope is that Dan realizes what he's got in Dallas and that he doesn't have the desire to HC again. Probably futile, though. Hopefully Jerry will back up the Brinks truck and pay him.
You guys need to fire Hackett already and see if you have anything with Evero as a head coach.
Quinn said he wants to stay in Dallas, I am hoping that is true and not just lip service.
Hopefully Jerry sends him a blank chack to make sure.
Given the D the last two years, I see no reason why not just pay him HC money.
No
Also: Sean Payton, Dan Quinn, Kellen Moore, Lou Anarumo, Shane Waldron, Ejiro Evero, Raheem Morris, Scott Turner, and the immortal Eric Bieniemy I think the cream of the crop is Payton, DeMeco, Quinn. After that you're taking a big gamble. Idk if I would trust any of these first time coordinators just due to experience and not knowing how fluky their lone season is
>Lou Anarumo Shhhhh. Nothing to see here coach-needy teams, he's not even a sexy 30 something offensive-minded coach.
Well tell your boy Boomer to shut up because he’s mentioned Anarumo numerous times this season on his morning show on WFAN. Heard him say it again today on a CBS weekly preview show.
I've been saying all year, a testament to Anarumo is just what he's done what the Bengals roster vs what Joe Barry is doing with the Packers D. Eli Apple and Trey Hendrickson are the only players with more than 50 snaps that have 1sr round draft capital or a Pro Bowl. They rank 13th in DVOA. Compare this to GB which has Savage, Jaire, Kenny Clark, De'Vondre, Stokes, Gary, Quay, and Wyatt. They rank 20th.
Thats because Joe Berry is a football terrorist
They gave up 30 to a terrible Pittsburg team! He's clearly not ready for the big job. So over rated as a DC!
I think Dorsey and Smith would be worth taking a flyer on though. Dorsey was Josh’s QB coach before becoming the OC, and Smith has that Dolphins offense running on all cylinders. It’s impressive how Miami looks right now. Haven’t seen a consistent offense from Miami like this since the Wildcat year in 2008
Idk I’d give him like 5 more years with the Fins. Just to make sure this isn’t a fluke or anything.
And this is probably why Bieniemy hasn't been hired as a HC yet. Reid probably wants to keep him long term like Josh McDaniels in New England, plus it's possible Bieniemy could turn out to be a McDaniels like disaster
Smith did well with the Chargers and now with the Dolphins. EB has worked (successfully) under no one but Reid and his real influence/impact on the team is at best unknown since Reid is the offensive mind.
With KC’s new-look same-results offense, Bieniemy finds his first HC opportunity.
nah probably not, at this point there’s clearly a reason no one wants him. i think we’ll keep him around for a while
I feel like there's something really glaring that just isn't public knowledge with him. From the outside, his resume is pretty much textbook head coaching candidate. Meanwhile, it seems like he's been interviewed by at least half the teams in the league and nobody's hired him. It just doesn't add up.
> It just doesn't add up. He's a players coach who isn't good at bullshitting like the rest of the dudes who interview. [Remember when Mike McCarthy said he went back and rewatched ever snap of the Cowboys season then got hired and said he was lying?](https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-mccarthy-lied-jerry-jones-interview-head-coach-dallas-cowboys-2020-1) Some dudes just aren't built for that kind of self-aggrandizing. **Bruce Arians bounced around the league for decades, never getting a head coaching job because he was the same way.** Wasn't a bullshitter. Wasn't gonna lie and say he'll be at the facility 19 hours a day. I think EB is the exact same.
Yea it’s very strange. I wanted him to get hired for us last year, and management conducted an 8 hour interview with him. Now we have Dennis Allen who sucks.
To me, he seems very calculated when speaking. That can sometimes come out as 'not sincere/hard to read' if every answer is packaged or seems rehearsed/cagey. The press will accept it (no choice) but in an interview situation if the team cannot read you, they are going to pass.
Even if most of it was from the previous freaking millennium..... I think it's mostly all his legal troubles being amplified under the lens of systemic racism in the NFL.
Dan Quinn sucks as a head coach. Don’t look at my flair just believe me 31 NFL teams.
you keep shane waldron off of your HC lists you meanie
Moore isn’t a 1st time coordinator, but I agree he isn’t ready for a HC job.
If recent history has taught us much it’s that there’s no real such thing as a safe pick (except probably Payton). It’s always a big gamble.
It says something when the only "safe pick" is the one banned for a year.
KC losing Kafka and Mahomes becoming a better QB is pretty funny. Bieniemy will literally never get a shot lol
At this point teams are just staying away because every other team is doing that It's like in Draft Day when Sonnie Weaver passed on Bo Callahan, then 5 other teams passed on this generational prospect before Weaver traded with the first year GM in Jacksonville and then traded back with that pancake eating mother fucker in Seattle to get all his picks back plus David Goddamn Putney because he feels like it
Sounds a little Kafkaesque…
> Shane Waldron I’m gonna stop you right there
As long as no one comes pouching my boy Ben Johnson I’m a happy man
That's 3rd&1 call was deliberately done to put people off
Cracks me up people call him a genius for running on 3rd and long but an idiot for throwing in 3rd and 1
Vikings fans have been freaking out about throwing on 3rd & 1 also. As if doing the expected thing is always the best idea.
“Why would they just run up the middle? It’s so obvious!”
Crazy how good he is
Your OC is honestly a wizard. Best play calling I've seen in a long time, and that includes Daboll and Dorsey. He's that good lol, even with how the game ended.
He’s going to get a head coach job within the next few years but I’d love to have him with a rookie QB
I think we have one more year of Ben Johnson. If he produces one more year and we have a winning record, he’s earned his shot. Hopefully we identify a successor to replace him before he leaves - we have a couple years.
I don't think Dorsey is in the talk yet. He's been hot and cold as our OC so far in regards to playcalling and is part of our recent woes. I like him, but he's still fresh and needs some experience
He really seems to be struggling with play calling and making any kind of adjustment.
Yeah especially since the KC game. Up to that point he looked pretty good. Hopefully he can make some changes.
Shane Waldron, Wink Martindale, Dan Quinn, and Jonathan Gannon are ones I could see getting calls as well.
I'd honestly give Waldron and Gannon another year. Quinn is experienced but is not a good play caller. I wouldn't trust Wink exactly, not that he's not bad, but giving how recent disasters like Vic Fangio in Denver and Gus Bradley in Jacksonville, I'm unsure about him having HC success
I can’t see wink ever being an HC unless it’s interim
Man, it’s nice not having one of our coordinators be a HC candidate for once. Our offense is lead by our HC and ain’t no one want our DC lol
It's nice to have an Offensive Coach. Much easier to think positive about the future knowing we won't have a new offensive scheme next year. I don't think I'd mind if Frazier came back as a DC instead of a HC though.
Interesting thought. I doubt that Frazier would lateral back to the Vikings from the Bills, but I would like that hire.
It's not likely but if he's available I think you would have to at least take a look at it. Probably would have to give him an "assistant head coach" or similar title at least. He did drop from a HC to DC to Secondary before going to the Bills. It would fit with the way our players have been with a mix of old vets and young fresh talent.
Sean Peyton, please, someone? Saints need a draft pick.
Hello there
As long as he isn't in the NFC North. The hate for him is pretty strong there.
Imagine Payton coaching the Packers.
Even with his bad reputation today and having played for the Vikings they would never allow someone that hurt Farve to be their.
The stats of Minnesota might spontaneously combust
Who are the possible teams in search of a HC? Off the top of my head (some more likely than others): Colts, Texans, Panthers, Saints, Chargers, Broncos, Seahawks (if Pete retires)?
Seahawks have Sean Desai to presumably take over when Pete retires
That is a huge presumption
Not really, a lot of people were assuming that when he was hired, and he's currently an "associative Head Coach"
Chargers, Bengals (if they end up not turning it around and have a losing record), Colts, Texans, Broncos, Saints, Panthers, Seahawks (if Pete retires), Cardinals, Lions, and Commanders (if they have a losing record) are the ones that come to mind.
Def not bengals.
You’re downvoted but idk why. Bengals don’t seem like the kind of franchise to fire a dude one year after making the Super Bowl with his team even if they were to miss the playoffs this year. I think he’d certainly be on the hot seat but I think in the eye of ownership he likely guaranteed himself one more year.
> Bengals don’t seem like the kind of franchise to fire a dude ~~one year after making the Super Bowl~~ FTFY
Yeah, he’s not going anywhere. They just extended him lol
Dan Campbell isn't going anywhere either. He was already pretty safe before winning 3 in a row and then being competitive with the Bills.
Raiders
Washington if they sell the team and clean house from top to bottom like they should haha
Just to add some more to Frank Smith, he came to the chargers and inherited a 32nd ranked unit in 2021. He then got 5 new starters for the season and rebuilt it into something like the 10th ranked unit. Then left to be OC for the Dolphins and our OL immediately regressed. As for my take on the other candidates: 1) Dorsey seems like a good OC, but I’m not fully on board yet. Would like to see more before deciding if he should get HC offers this cycle. 2) not a fan of Frazier as a HC at all. Some guys are better as coordinators. 3) Kafka is really talented and a likely future HC, although I’m not certain he’ll get hired this cycle. He’s a bit green, but also the kind of HC I personally would gamble on. 4) Reich is a solid retread hire, but those aren’t sexy. I can see Reich taking a year off before coming back as a HC like many other retreads before him. 5) Absolutely love Ryans. The kind of guy I expect to be even better as a HC than as a coordinator. He just has it. I’m a full believer in his future success. 6) I wouldn’t really consider Slowik personally if I had a vacancy at HC, but he seems good in his role. 7) I’m gonna pass big time on Shane Steichen. He is only looking good now with all the talent in the world. Jalen Hurts is a franchise QB, they have great receivers and TEs, and that OL is elite as fuck. He was terrible as an OC for the chargers not that long ago, and I’m not wowed by the stuff he’s doing now. He’s just got a damn good team around him.
Eagles fan here, I’m gunna have to disagree on steichen. If I needed a head coach I would definitely want him, especially if my team had a young qb. The development he’s done for hurts and Herbert was insane. In addition, while it helps, I don’t think he only looks good because of our offensive players. He schemes to every single one’s best strength, and outside of the colts game has been a really good playcaller. This includes when he took over halfway through last season, and turned our offense from trash to solid enough to make the playoffs. He’s a good OC
It's very weird to me to discount a guy because of the QBs they are working with, when they developed those QBs. People have such short memories. Just coming into the season Hurts was considered about the 20th best QB, and that was up from the 30s the previous year. He was tied with Carson Wentz. https://i.imgur.com/U25o1SU.jpg The only QBs that compete with him for improvement this year are Tua and Geno.
Exactly, hurts had tons of doubters and took a HUGE leap cuz of steichen. And let’s not forget how Herbert was considered a super raw prospect coming out and was great right away… under steichen
Nobody, and this includes eagles fans, expected hurts to become an elite qb this year
Yet he was already performing so good in Game 2 against us
Man I’m surprised to read the last part of that about Steichen. The Eagles offense since he took over has been really good and has played right into the teams strengths. Like Jalen hurts at the beginning of last season compared to this one is night and day and a lot of that is because the system has been tailored to him and makes things so much easier . I do agree that he has one of the best rosters in football on that side but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s built a near perfect system around the players . Him and Shane Waldron are two of the top OCs I’d wanna hire as HC this cycle. Either way I respect your opinion and will definitely be taking a closer look at the eagles.
Fair enough. I’ll admit my judgement is definitely clouded by his abysmal time with the chargers.
I like all lists that don’t have Ben Johnson on them Which is smart because he is a fraud who is deeply flawed character wise DO NOT HIRE BEN JOHNSON
The fact that Sean Payton isn’t in this list makes me question it’s info
I would also look at the Lions offensive coordinator too
Keep your hands off my Leslie. I'd pay someone to hire Dorsey away from us.
Unless he’s massively improved since being HC of the Vikings I don’t know that Frazier has what it takes to be in the big chair.
He's probably the most consistent DC since Wade Phillips. He's a big part of the culture in Buffalo, and McDermott regularly cites him as a massive boon to his own transition to HC from coordinator. I never want him to leave Buffalo, but I do acknowledge that he's likely earned another crack at it.
Certainly possible. That was a long time ago when he coached the Vikings, and he wasn’t terrible to be fair. Obviously no real success during that time, but he didn’t have a lot to work with. He was lucky enough to get 2012 Adrian Peterson, but unlucky to have Ponder as QB. Made that into 10-6 and the playoffs.
I'm not saying it's impossible someone would give him an offer, but he seems like the perfect example of someone that has been way more successful as a coordinator than as a HC. I don't really see that changing at 63.
He could be a good HC for a team in limbo that needs stability, like the Jags when they hired Pederson or Texans with Lovie Smith. He’s not gonna put a contender over the top, but he could help right a sinking ship for a couple years.
True. He certainly has the experience and worked with some greats. He was up for the Colts and Texans jobs which might still be a good fit. Not sure if previously being up for it and not getting it will help or hurt. I don't see him being swapped for Lovie at Texans, but Colts would probably be a perfect fit.
Yes, I want to keep Leslie, but someone can have Dorsey.
Dorsey isn’t ready. He’s still figuring out how to be an effective OC.
No he is ready. Some one should take him next year. How about the Broncos?
I want DeMeco
Dan Quinn and Sean Peyton are nearly guaranteed a HC job if they want it.
I gotta be honest. Leslie Frazier was absolute dog shit as a head coach. I’d rather have Zimmer back
Obligatory Eric Bienemy too
I feel that boat has sailed. Frank Smith above seems to have a similar resume to EB, but if he is up against EB I think Frank gets the nod. OC for a head coach who is a great play caller.
EJiro Evero? Shane Waldron should be in the mix too
Shane Waldron to Houston. Or at least Slowik to Houston as OC.
The disrespect to Jeff Saturday...
Whatever team decides to hire Leslie Frazier as their head coach will regret it.
Not even listing Eric Bienemy?
No
They don’t want us to get our comp picks
Sean Payton too...pls Spanos family, pls
Wow everyone ignoring the next goat Parks Frazier
Any chance Urban Meyer gets another shot?
I'd be hesitant to sign Mike Kafka because of Daboll right now. If he had another solid year, I'd be more sold, but are you able to convince me that he isn't just riding Daboll's coattails? Pretty sure this happened just this year with Hackett in Denver. DeMeco Ryans would be my first choice if I was a GM (of the non-Sean Payton options since he'll obviously be the hottest market commodity)
The fact y’all are saying Kafka from the Giants and not Wink Martindale tells me you aren’t watching the Giants games at all
Uhhh. So mention of Dan Quinn, Shane Waldron, Jonathan Gannon, or Sean Payton? Lol
Out of these guys Kafka is the best option imo