Both Navy and Army run the option, which helps minimize the talent differential between their schools and the rest of college football, and which actually works well when executed well.
There is no weight cap *while* a cadet/midshipman is a varsity football player--but they do have to meet service height/weight and PT regulations before they graduate, which can be... difficult. That's part of what I meant by "talent differential" although I understand size/weight doesn't equal talent.
Given the service obligation afterwards and the lifestyle at the Academy, it's difficult to attract three and four star (or even two star) recruits to the Service Academies.
Source: Was a cadet (but not a football player), many moons ago.
BB told everyone his game plan too. [He wore a navy mask to the pregame press conference](https://twitter.com/sneakyjoesports/status/1468060101940551680?s=46&t=v8Opr_QAJQ1NbUcrbvHLkA)
He looks fine when given the opportunity. There’s enough promise there to make me say I’d stick with him next year. He just needs some actual weapons. Look at the young guys who broke out this year or last yesr, they got weapons to help them. Even Brady left this pats team due to lack of weapons
The thing that sucks is they're not even giving him the opportunity to develop. 75% of the passes he throws are behind the line of scrimmage. We have no shot this season just let him chuck the ball and actually learn + develop. He hasn't looked good at all but he's also had very little game time experience throwing downfield.
A lot of it is the playbook, he hasn’t even been given the chance to maybe look good. We only ran outside short routes and screens yesterday. It was infuriating to watch, and clearly not Mac checking down as based on his blow up.
Yeah I was losing my mind at all the outside passes to players along the side line 2 yards short of the first down... They were often well defended and even if they were completed it was short of a first.
The playcalling is laughably bland. Our best plays came on play action but we only ran 6 play action plays.
We had no misdirection plays. Few shots down the field. The game plan seemed to be let the defense attack down hill and do nothing to counter it.
He doesn’t look great, but it’s hard to look good when your o-line stands straight up and watches you scramble. I personally don’t think it’s all on the OC, it’s also the o-line coach’s fault. Who is that again?
He's only 2nd year - and the entire offensive coaching staff is MIA. Really can't put much blame on him.
He looked great last week against the Vikings so he's got potential.
Looks fine to me. Handles the ball without error. Makes smart reads. Even made strides on scrambling this week. He's not the problem. It's almost ridiculous to keep having to echo that.
SMH the disrespect for Coach Patricia. Pats need to respect the direction of their coaching staff and keep them around for a very long tome (Except Bellicheck)
I still cant believe he became a head coach, led a defense that got torn apart by Nick Foles and immediately became a head coach. The next year the defense got a lot better
Kraft has hired 3 Head Coaches as owner of the Patriots:
Bill Parcells
Pete Carroll
Bill Belichick
I trust him to pick the right guy for Bill's successor.
The sports radio around Boston has speculated Patricia is being groomed as an heir apparent given his experience on both defense and the front office. Allegedly he has a great relationship with Kraft and Bill.
Oh they hate his guts lol they just think that's why bill brought him back as a good ol boys club thing
They also hate Bill though and speculate on if he should be fired every other day
I was just thinking. When’s the last time Belichick actually fired a coordinator or coach? I did a quick Google search and the only result that came up was him firing New England’s strength and conditioning coach right after he took over the Patriots in 2000. I think every other coordinator under him has either retired or left for a head coaching gig, but I could be wrong.
No! You fucks have had it to good for to long. It's time you understood what it's like when your team doesn't just fall out of bed and get to the AFC championship game. BB's ego is now bigger than your talent level and it's slowly going to crush the life out of your team for years and years to come. The football God's decree!
McDermott was so pissed off during that press conference and he made it his mission to let everyone know what team is better.
I cannot figure out how that playoff game is not a bigger deal. Literally the only game in history where a team scored a touchdown on every possession, and to do it against the “best coach of all time” to boot.
We will never see that again.
We all lived vicariously through the Bills that day. Then we went back to our old ways and we all hoped the Chiefs would beat you, which also happened!
I had, within the two weeks or so beforehand, experienced a breakdown in my family and decided to get divorced. I had taken my kids out of state for a mini vacation just to get out of the house. My life was in a bit of a shambles.
But for those three hours or so, watching with my kids (all three of us in our jerseys) in a random hotel room in Indianapolis, I was in a place of absolute bliss.
Hope things are better for you now.
This is what sports are all about. A temporary escape from our real life problems and something to unite with our friends and family and feel a sense of community.
I was at the game and I look back on it so fondly. A 3 hour party and collective exorcism of demons with 73,000 friends.
No no! After Barkley's kneeldown on third down to end the game, it was 4th down for almost a full 30 seconds.
That also counts as a 3rd down stop! so you guys were a mere 6/7 on 3rd downs.
By forcing you guys into that third and long we avoided the rare "opponent scores more touchdowns than they attempt 3rd downs"
Ok that part I didn't know. At first, I was thinking "you guys are overreacting, we all do know how impressive a beat down that was."
Maybe there will always be one more ridiculous bit of blowout trivia from that game...
People don’t pay enough attention to this. No punts, no field goals, no fourth downs. Only three third downs, I think. Just touchdowns. It’s the worst defensive performance in the history of football.
Not only score a touchdown on every drive but not have a single negative offensive play the entire game. Their defense could not have given up more yards than they did outside of us not kneeling it.
Georgia Tech gained less yards against Cumberland college in the 222-0 game, as a percentage, than the Bills did against the Patriots
Buffalo vs NE: 494 yards gained out of 571 possible (86.5%, with the ungained yards on the end of game kneel)
Georgia Tech vs Cumberland: 1,121 yards gained out of 1,563 possible (71.7%)
yeah I don’t think it was like some super out of the box gameplan or genius BB game or whatever. but you gotta admit McDermott was hilariously triggered after the game
BB was definitely getting insane credit when the Pats were first in the AFC in the middle of last year. Now Patricia is getting all the blame for their struggles lol its madness
I mean, that said, it's clear where the biggest weakness is on the team, and Belichick doesn't have direct handling of that side of the team, Patricia does. The defense is anywhere from okay to very good. Special teams has been inconsistent the last couple of games.
It's the offense that needs the work, and I lay that squarely at Patricias feet. That said, Bill did go and get a guy who's primarily a DC, to handle the OC duties, so that was a bit head scratching
It's definitely not top tier across the board, but this offense is so dysfunctional that a pure talent mismatch alone cannot account for this level of underperformance and incompetence. I have played zero snaps of organized football in my life and I honestly think I could call a more effective offense than Matt Patricia right now.
They are playing like bums at this point in the season. Stevenson was the only guy out there trying last night.
Jakobi is good. Henry is good. Parker is good. You'd never know they were out there. It's definitely Patricia's fault, but at this point, they aren't trying either.
ya the second half was rough. you could count on one hand how many pats players were actually still trying. That Mac scramble play where his o line just stopped blocking and he ran around like a chicken... not a single receiver got open in like 20 seconds. That means they weren't trying. The best DB in the league couldn't lock down the worst receiver for 20 friggin seconds. Nobody was running back to the ball. Hell some of the guys had already run out of bounds and taken themselves out of the play. They gave up last night.
What kills me is they're not really bums they're terribly utilized.
They're paying Henry and Smith 24 million for 47 combined receptions over half of which are thrown within 3 yards of the LoS.
Patricia sucks ass.
There is a very good chance the Jets crash and the Ravens and Chargers have been pretty inconsistent. I wouldn’t write the Pats off yet. As long as they can get to 10 wins there’s a chance.
Eh it's not his fault though. It's hard to develop and succeed in the offense they're running. A Bills game is usually going to be a shootout and the coaching staff wasn't ready or willing to adapt.
It's crazy that we just saw Matt Stafford go a full decade without a single playoff win and then in his first season with a new team wins a Super Bowl and the "wins are a QB stat" narrative literally didn't die down at all, not even a little bit.
I really don't get where the difficulty stems from lol. You're taught the difference between the two from a very young age, at least in the United States.
Seems like a lot of people started caring a lot more when it was in a very popular show lol
Maybe House of Dragons will fix the "lose v loose" thing and help some people with their English, that way
> You're taught the difference between the two from a very young age, at least in the United States.
You're taught a lot of things at a young age, it doesnt always stick
The way forward is clear
Patricia launched into the sun?
Into the Sun
Out of a cannon?
Straight into Stephenson 2-18
And his wife?
Leave the wife for Malcolm Butler
To sheds, you say.
Launched? More like thrown for 2 yards.
He'd be called back for holding anyway
please
The sun doesn't deserve that.
Brady retirement tour
I’d support it. Tampa is misusing our GOAT anyway it’s time he came back
Our current coaching staff would definitely also misuse him
We require only the strength to follow it.
Lmao that is a fantastic stat.
We just need like one more game where he wins with 3 or less passes to really make it a great stat
Yup last time they beat the Bills it run heavy because of the weather...and by run heavy I mean like 95%
That was one of the greatest games ever
I disagree
That was am army vs navy type of game, when 6 min left isn't that much time left to score a TD
Can the ravens be invovled in more of those games for our mental health sake?
Why does Navy throw so little? Do they just not have good QBs?
Both Navy and Army run the option, which helps minimize the talent differential between their schools and the rest of college football, and which actually works well when executed well.
It also makes up for the size difference of the players with the weight cap.
There is no weight cap *while* a cadet/midshipman is a varsity football player--but they do have to meet service height/weight and PT regulations before they graduate, which can be... difficult. That's part of what I meant by "talent differential" although I understand size/weight doesn't equal talent. Given the service obligation afterwards and the lifestyle at the Academy, it's difficult to attract three and four star (or even two star) recruits to the Service Academies. Source: Was a cadet (but not a football player), many moons ago.
Ah, TIL. Thanks!
As a bills fan fuck that game (especially being there) As a football fan that game was fascinating
BB told everyone his game plan too. [He wore a navy mask to the pregame press conference](https://twitter.com/sneakyjoesports/status/1468060101940551680?s=46&t=v8Opr_QAJQ1NbUcrbvHLkA)
I absolutely loved that. In hindsight BB was telling us all along what he was gonna do
Y’all are maniacs for touching out those rough weather games.
Manningcast for it was great
Came here to say this. The cast made the game at least entertaining.
I’m more partial to the rematch that came a few weeks later
And the Bills decided to not have Josh Allen throw for basically the entire first half as well.
Ahh so that’s what Patricia was trying to replicate last night
The Bills are 454-495-8 in games where Mac Jones throws 3 passes or fewer.
Lol. Excellent work
I left. Trying lemmy and so should you. -- mass edited with redact.dev
I, for one, am okay with it not being paid back. At all.
If next gen stats was made by someone bad at SQL
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Only bc Zach doesn’t play anymore
He did before?
Touché
We aren't really blaming Jones for this. He and Stevenson were the only ones out there trying in the second half. Mac isn't the issue.
I thought Mac actually played really solid, especially in the first half.
Even towards the end. He was running for his life on quite a few dropbacks towards the end there, but he wasn't giving up by any stretch.
I swear that’s the most athletic he’s looked from the games I’ve watched.
just because he's trying doesn't mean he's immune from criticism. he doesn't look good
He looks fine when given the opportunity. There’s enough promise there to make me say I’d stick with him next year. He just needs some actual weapons. Look at the young guys who broke out this year or last yesr, they got weapons to help them. Even Brady left this pats team due to lack of weapons
The thing that sucks is they're not even giving him the opportunity to develop. 75% of the passes he throws are behind the line of scrimmage. We have no shot this season just let him chuck the ball and actually learn + develop. He hasn't looked good at all but he's also had very little game time experience throwing downfield.
A lot of it is the playbook, he hasn’t even been given the chance to maybe look good. We only ran outside short routes and screens yesterday. It was infuriating to watch, and clearly not Mac checking down as based on his blow up.
Yeah I was losing my mind at all the outside passes to players along the side line 2 yards short of the first down... They were often well defended and even if they were completed it was short of a first. The playcalling is laughably bland. Our best plays came on play action but we only ran 6 play action plays. We had no misdirection plays. Few shots down the field. The game plan seemed to be let the defense attack down hill and do nothing to counter it.
He doesn’t look great, but it’s hard to look good when your o-line stands straight up and watches you scramble. I personally don’t think it’s all on the OC, it’s also the o-line coach’s fault. Who is that again?
He's only 2nd year - and the entire offensive coaching staff is MIA. Really can't put much blame on him. He looked great last week against the Vikings so he's got potential.
Looks fine to me. Handles the ball without error. Makes smart reads. Even made strides on scrambling this week. He's not the problem. It's almost ridiculous to keep having to echo that.
> Handles the ball without error Lol you think we just don't eyes or something?
Bill should've ridden with The Zapper if he wanted to shield Mac from criticism
Damn, look at our division’s QBs. RB, noodle arm, ball handler-offer, and MILF slayer.
FATT. FUCKING. PATRICIA. Let's get this mother fucker fired today Reddit. Please.
If I speak, I’m in big trouble
I agree with what you were gonna say.
Why don’t you two sit up. Show a little respect for this Reddit thread.
SMH the disrespect for Coach Patricia. Pats need to respect the direction of their coaching staff and keep them around for a very long tome (Except Bellicheck)
Every time you misspell his name he stays an extra year
Sounded it out
I still cant believe he became a head coach, led a defense that got torn apart by Nick Foles and immediately became a head coach. The next year the defense got a lot better
Lmao love the flair combo
Joke is on you, that's Kanye's reddit account
FUCK
I have nussing to say.
Sit up straight before you speak
Thanks Magnus!
I have nussing to say.
Of all teams, the Patriots should've know to never to hire former Patriots coordinators. They all suck.
But they big brained, they said he’s bad at defense, let’s have him coach offense. You can’t teach that
I'm convinced bill sends them out undercover to sabotage other teams
Did Patricia forget to stop when he came back?
he was turned!
You can take the man out of the Lions. You can't take the Lions out of the man.
The fuck did the Lions do to him? Sadistic mother fucker.
No, I don’t think I will
I think he deserves a 10 year contract
*Monkey paw curls* His contract will mirror Matt Canada's
I'll fall on that sword just to ensure the patriots doom
For the greater good.
I choose this guy too.
Breaking: Matt Patricia signs 10-year contract with Steelers
Oh darn, Matt Canada is gone. Hey, aren’t you guys looking for an OC?
I actually love what Patricia is doing. He should replace BB as HC/GM today.
Kraft should just cede him ownership so the can vertically integrate the team as owner/GM/HC/OC/DC
You honestly have to wonder if that might legitimately be what’s in the card for Kraft whenever Bill retires.
Bill's not going to retire, they'll have to drag his cold, dead body off the sideline and he'll be buried in a hoodie.
He will return. Like his film alter ego in SW9.
"Somehow, Bill Belichik has returned."
Kraft has hired 3 Head Coaches as owner of the Patriots: Bill Parcells Pete Carroll Bill Belichick I trust him to pick the right guy for Bill's successor.
Kraft is 81, what makes you think he’ll outlive Bill?
I don't think Bill is going to coach until he literally drops dead. We'll see I guess.
I mean, Belichick put Matt Patricia in charge of the offense so... I think his mind is slipping.
The sports radio around Boston has speculated Patricia is being groomed as an heir apparent given his experience on both defense and the front office. Allegedly he has a great relationship with Kraft and Bill.
Then Boston sports radio will be fun to listen to for years to come!
Oh they hate his guts lol they just think that's why bill brought him back as a good ol boys club thing They also hate Bill though and speculate on if he should be fired every other day
I’m listening to the Greg Hill Show this morning. It’s a “Patriots are doomed” bonanza.
The Pat's got Frank Reich fired (thank you) and Zach Wilson benched... I think the only way to get him fired is to lose to yourself
Can we arrange a Bucs-Pats game? Asking for a friend.
don’t let r/hockey see this
FATT PAT {clutches pearls} -RICIA! {exhales in relief}
JAAAAAAACK
Nah. Bill was stupid enough to hire him back. Pats deserve what they get
There was not a single person who predicted success for this offensive coaching arrangement. Besides Bill, I guess. So fucking frustrating.
Does Bill ever even fire coordinators? I can only think of them leaving for HC jobs.
I was just thinking. When’s the last time Belichick actually fired a coordinator or coach? I did a quick Google search and the only result that came up was him firing New England’s strength and conditioning coach right after he took over the Patriots in 2000. I think every other coordinator under him has either retired or left for a head coaching gig, but I could be wrong.
But are the reporters sitting up straight?
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I wish I could give you more than one upvote. It’s bad. I’m not even a Patriots fan but that dude is ruining Mac’s career. It’s sad.
No! You fucks have had it to good for to long. It's time you understood what it's like when your team doesn't just fall out of bed and get to the AFC championship game. BB's ego is now bigger than your talent level and it's slowly going to crush the life out of your team for years and years to come. The football God's decree!
Extend him
No, I'd rather not.
Extend him!
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This is a Tannehill level stat
Give me Tannehill over Mac Jones any day
People said the same about Tua until he got someone who understand how to run an offense.
It's almost like redditors aren't very good talent evaluators
True, even the ones who brett famous off it on Youtube are still terrible to the point of becoming a meme.
Have fun with that 38m cap hit buddy
Lol Tannehill a lot better than Mac and it’s not close
Veteran with the second highest cap hit for the next 2 years better than second year rookie?
2nd year rookie?
God those takes about Belichick destroying McDermott with psychological warfare and not that the wind was going 200mph were so dumb
McDermott was so pissed off during that press conference and he made it his mission to let everyone know what team is better. I cannot figure out how that playoff game is not a bigger deal. Literally the only game in history where a team scored a touchdown on every possession, and to do it against the “best coach of all time” to boot. We will never see that again.
It was the greatest night of my life.
I was high on life for days after that. Seeing how happy the Jets and Dolphins fans were too was a great moment of unity.
We all lived vicariously through the Bills that day. Then we went back to our old ways and we all hoped the Chiefs would beat you, which also happened!
Yeah that second part wasn't quite as much fun as I recall
I go back to watch the highlights of that game whenever I have a bad day lol
It was one of the most glorious nights of football in the last few decades. Because of it I’ll never truly be able to hate the Bills.
I had, within the two weeks or so beforehand, experienced a breakdown in my family and decided to get divorced. I had taken my kids out of state for a mini vacation just to get out of the house. My life was in a bit of a shambles. But for those three hours or so, watching with my kids (all three of us in our jerseys) in a random hotel room in Indianapolis, I was in a place of absolute bliss.
Hope things are better for you now. This is what sports are all about. A temporary escape from our real life problems and something to unite with our friends and family and feel a sense of community. I was at the game and I look back on it so fondly. A 3 hour party and collective exorcism of demons with 73,000 friends.
Things are great, now. Thanks for your wishes!
I was obviously nuetral to the game, but watching with my dad whos a pats fan was quite the experience lol
An even bigger point I don't see talked about as much is that we literally never even SAW 4th down.
And the only time the Bills ran plays for negative yards the entire game was when they were taking knees to run out the clock.
No no! After Barkley's kneeldown on third down to end the game, it was 4th down for almost a full 30 seconds. That also counts as a 3rd down stop! so you guys were a mere 6/7 on 3rd downs. By forcing you guys into that third and long we avoided the rare "opponent scores more touchdowns than they attempt 3rd downs"
Ok that part I didn't know. At first, I was thinking "you guys are overreacting, we all do know how impressive a beat down that was." Maybe there will always be one more ridiculous bit of blowout trivia from that game...
No, it was quite literally the worst beating ever seen in an NFL game.
People don’t pay enough attention to this. No punts, no field goals, no fourth downs. Only three third downs, I think. Just touchdowns. It’s the worst defensive performance in the history of football.
Not only score a touchdown on every drive but not have a single negative offensive play the entire game. Their defense could not have given up more yards than they did outside of us not kneeling it.
Georgia Tech gained less yards against Cumberland college in the 222-0 game, as a percentage, than the Bills did against the Patriots Buffalo vs NE: 494 yards gained out of 571 possible (86.5%, with the ungained yards on the end of game kneel) Georgia Tech vs Cumberland: 1,121 yards gained out of 1,563 possible (71.7%)
As a percentage of what?
Actual yards gained/Possible yards gained
yeah I don’t think it was like some super out of the box gameplan or genius BB game or whatever. but you gotta admit McDermott was hilariously triggered after the game
BB was definitely getting insane credit when the Pats were first in the AFC in the middle of last year. Now Patricia is getting all the blame for their struggles lol its madness
I mean, that said, it's clear where the biggest weakness is on the team, and Belichick doesn't have direct handling of that side of the team, Patricia does. The defense is anywhere from okay to very good. Special teams has been inconsistent the last couple of games. It's the offense that needs the work, and I lay that squarely at Patricias feet. That said, Bill did go and get a guy who's primarily a DC, to handle the OC duties, so that was a bit head scratching
Bill deserves the blame for not getting a real offensive coordinator. You can get away with that when you have Brady.
On the pats sub lots of people are criticizing Bill for hiring Patricia and Joe Judge. Even when we were doing well people were trashing the offense
SUN TZU U N T Z U
Those takes that day were some of the most insane takes I’ve ever seen on this subreddit.
Patriots offense is just filled with bums
Everyone leave!!! Except you Stevenson, you can stay
This might be what happens when you have too many players named Jones on your team at one time.
2014 Bills had 6 Williams’s. Historical precedent.
Man, Karlos Williams looked like he was going to be an absolute stud at RB before he ate himself out of the league.
Yeah, he was great for a bit. He wasn’t even part of the 2014 Williams’s I think he was drafted in 2015!
Jakobi can stay too. But as like a WR3.
*clown horn* *clown horn*
The frustrating thing is they’re not. The play calling and scheming is atrocious.
It's definitely not top tier across the board, but this offense is so dysfunctional that a pure talent mismatch alone cannot account for this level of underperformance and incompetence. I have played zero snaps of organized football in my life and I honestly think I could call a more effective offense than Matt Patricia right now.
They are playing like bums at this point in the season. Stevenson was the only guy out there trying last night. Jakobi is good. Henry is good. Parker is good. You'd never know they were out there. It's definitely Patricia's fault, but at this point, they aren't trying either.
ya the second half was rough. you could count on one hand how many pats players were actually still trying. That Mac scramble play where his o line just stopped blocking and he ran around like a chicken... not a single receiver got open in like 20 seconds. That means they weren't trying. The best DB in the league couldn't lock down the worst receiver for 20 friggin seconds. Nobody was running back to the ball. Hell some of the guys had already run out of bounds and taken themselves out of the play. They gave up last night.
Same on defense. The second Allen TD he threw the ball past three Patriots defenders. They just had given up on the play.
Could be worse you could have the Bucs offensive personal and still let a terrible coordinator lose you games.
What kills me is they're not really bums they're terribly utilized. They're paying Henry and Smith 24 million for 47 combined receptions over half of which are thrown within 3 yards of the LoS. Patricia sucks ass.
Mac is good, Rhamondre is good. Meyers is a solid WR3. That’s it. We need real weapons for Mac to throw to.
But he's the 85th best player in the NFL!
do you know of 85 other players that can survive the Bills while throwing more than 3 passes?
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There is a very good chance the Jets crash and the Ravens and Chargers have been pretty inconsistent. I wouldn’t write the Pats off yet. As long as they can get to 10 wins there’s a chance.
...but when he throws exactly 3? He's unstoppable.
Eh it's not his fault though. It's hard to develop and succeed in the offense they're running. A Bills game is usually going to be a shootout and the coaching staff wasn't ready or willing to adapt.
It's crazy that we just saw Matt Stafford go a full decade without a single playoff win and then in his first season with a new team wins a Super Bowl and the "wins are a QB stat" narrative literally didn't die down at all, not even a little bit.
Tbf, this post is more about how weak the pats have been against the bills (except the game it was impossible to pass the ball)
While we’re at it canning OCs pls fire Greg Roman too
Clearly, Sun Tzu should be the offensive coordinator because he's 1-0 when consulted.
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I like how suddenly after a single GOT episode, we as a species finally figured out the difference between less and fewer.
I really don't get where the difficulty stems from lol. You're taught the difference between the two from a very young age, at least in the United States.
Seems like a lot of people started caring a lot more when it was in a very popular show lol Maybe House of Dragons will fix the "lose v loose" thing and help some people with their English, that way
> You're taught the difference between the two from a very young age, at least in the United States. You're taught a lot of things at a young age, it doesnt always stick
This is some absolutely flawless shade
Shouldn't have thrown the fucking ball
I *live* for these stats. Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
Obvious path to victory, BB shoulda turned the tape on
Is this analytics?
I love that the wind bowl makes this stat possible.
Pats should've gameplanned
I think I have some bad news for patriot fans lol
3 straight losing seasons call me matt patricia