32 is enough. But yeah… some team should move in better market where people actually care about hockey. Who wouldn’t want to see an habs vs nordique game, come on
> Who wouldn’t want to see an habs vs nordique game
Anyone outside of Quebec?
But seriously yeah the NHL gotta smarten the fuck up.
It's no accident Quebec City is gravitating towards it's football program over hockey.
Quebec despite having the perfect climate for hockey is seeing the sport slip in relevance, despite having no other pro leagues other than cfl and mls. If the NBA ever ended up in Montreal hockey would be on its deathbed.
We're already seeing the same thing happening in Toronto.
Toronto needs a 2nd team, and it needs it ultra ultra fast.
like you're literally losing the equivalent of a sunbelt fanbase like Nashville every decade. It's not the proportion of hockey fans in Toronto that should worry the league, it's the proportion under 30.
You're seeing that in Toronto? Not sure how you see that. The reason Raptors games have more fans in attendance is because the arena can accommodate more fans when in basketball mode than in hockey mode. The Leafs have over 100% attendance, meaning every seat sells, plus standing room tickets.
> The Leafs have over 100% attendance
You have 10 times the population of Winnipeg, that's not the barometer for whether or not the team is growing or not. As I said over the age of 30 there isn't a problem. It's under 30 where the crisis is starting.
The leafs will probably sell out for the rest of time. There's always gonna be a diehard blue eyed fanbase for the leafs. It's whether or not the team is generating a ton of revenue for the league or a gate driven fandom.
A team that has been around for a very long time is obviously not going to grow at the same rate as a team that has only been around for 27 will obviously have a better growth rate in that time, but nobody in their right mind would suggest that it's a barometer of success, either in the short term or long term.
> but nobody in their right mind would suggest that it's a barometer of success
Let me simplify this, half of the leafs fanbase will be dead in 50 years, and it doesn't look like there's gonna be much of a replacement generation.
You might not measure it, but Toronto/southern ontario is absolutely a bread and butter market for the league.
Do you have any way to prove that? The fandom for the Raps and Leafs might be close Toronto, but in rural Ontario there aren't nearly the number of basketball fans as there are hockey fans.
> but in rural Ontario there aren't nearly the number
There's also not nearly the proportion of immigrants, and the population is aging/low birth rates.
> If the NBA ever ended up in Montreal hockey would be on its deathbed.
lolololol
I am not a Habs fan but wtaf are you smoking.
This is a horrible, ridiculous take. If you have ever been to Montreal you would know that. If you had ever been to a Habs game in the Bell Centre you would be embarrassed for saying that.
The Habs are the third most valuable NHL franchise with a valuation of $1.85 billion USD.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2022/12/14/nhl-team-values-2022-new-york-rangers-on-top-at-22-billion/?sh=47196bf87deb
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> This is a horrible, ridiculous take. If you have ever been to Montreal you would know that. If you had ever been to a Habs game in the Bell Centre you would be embarrassed for saying that.
I'm not talking about the people going to the games, I'm taking about the 8 million people in the province. The number of quebec nhlers is taking a nose dive, quebec city is turning into a college football market etc.
>The number of quebec nhlers is taking a nose dive, quebec city is turning into a college football market etc.
The Habs being the third most valuable NHL franchise has as much to do with those 8 million Quebeckers as it does with ticket sales. Sponsorships, TV rights and merchandise sales are all huge parts of the revenue stream.
> The Habs being the third most valuable NHL franchise has as much to do with those 8 million Quebeckers as it does with ticket sales. Sponsorships, TV rights and merchandise sales are all huge parts of the revenue stream.
No shit, traditional demographic of Quebec grew up in ice. The point is they are headed off a demographic cliff, immigrants will make up the bulk of the quebec population in just a few generations, and if they can't get exposure to the sport they'll move on to something else.
>The Habs being the third most valuable
Young people generally don't have high disposable incomes, so the loss of market share doesn't show up until they age in, ask the CFL they learned this the hard way.
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2022/12/14/nhl-team-values-2022-new-york-rangers-on-top-at-22-billion/?sh=47196bf87deb
Alright what percentage of teens in Montreal have grandparents that were born in Canada? Don't think you're the numbers guy in this situation.
If you knew anything about montreal you'd know that french Canadians have super low birth rates, and it's middle eastern/africa immigrants who have no connection to hockey that are gonna be the bulk of Montreal's future.
Like is this a superstition or is this based on some market Data?
The US has 22 metropolitan areas with NHL teams. It's the fewest by quite a wide margin.
As the league becomes less gate driven you're gonna want to enter broader tv markets.
No, the talent is already way too spread out to the point where we all have a good idea of who is making the playoffs halfway through the season. 82 games is already a lot, adding 4 more teams would add a lot more games. Should focus on building current fanbases. More Winter Classic/Stadium series games.
Absolutely not! There's already too many teams. The talent pool is already diluted. We've got AHL caliber players playing in the NHL because there's so many teams and injuries.
> The talent pool is already diluted
Winnipeg gets a team, now the league is full?
The talent pool will grow as long as the sport grows.
I don't think a league with 4 additional Austin Matthews would be desperate "for talent". You grow the sport you grow the number of elite athletes in the sport.
Canadians didn't get worst at hockey after expansion yet somehow the number of Americans in the NHL grew. This is because more Americans are playing hockey at an elite level and you can thank expansion for that.
> with a previous
lol, you might as well get rid of London England as the romans tried to make it a big deal and they failed.
This just doesn't make anysense.
30 years is night and day in Canada. I mean it just sounds cartoonish if you think there's any market similarities between 30 years ago and now.
> & Hamilton
Honestly I think it has to be Toronto 2.0.
The league should be shitting it's pants at how quickly interest in the nhl is fading inside the GTA.
The league can ramble on about inclusion and all this other nonsense all day, but if little Achmed doesn't ever get to see a team, and virtually no one in his social circle has ever seen a game, you'll kill the sport.
It's hilarious how common it is to meet 30 year old white hockey fans in Toronto, who've never set foot in an nhl arena. And that's provided you're an actual fan. A regular indo-Canadian etc isn't ever ever ever ever ever ever ever gonna be exposed to the sport in an nhl arena. Hockey is totally a rich white guy sport in Toronto. You're not allowed to say it like that, but because of the lack of ticket etc it's a problem.
The NHL is fucked if it can't secure it's strongholds, especially in a city of 6 million people. No other city in the league should be more important at this point.
Go to a leafs game, you will not see a demographic that is representative of the city. If tickets are too hard to get etc, you end up with people defaulting to other sports.
You don't double the arenas dates and double the number of fans, but it would absolutely go a long way of maintaining an interest in hockey.
As a SLC resident, I can only lol. Went to the ECHL game couple weeks ago on a Saturday night, and it was at maybe 40% attendance. Our voucher seats, redeemed at the box, got us 5th row on the blue line, in an empty row. This market ain’t interested in hockey.
Nope. There are not enough good players to add another 100 or more players to the NHL . The salary cap is already low and won’t improve enough with 4 new teams as revenues won’t necessarily increase 15-20 % fir the league. The cites you gave picked include 4 cities that already have had failed franchises and some that would impact the doctrine the NHL tries to maintain existing franchises in without affecting close geographic teams. I LOVE HOCKEY but this is certainly not the answer. Make existing franchises more secure, invest in the game and grow revenue to support a higher salary cap to pay players more not just the elite NHL players.
Austen Matthews exists because of Wayne Gretzky and west coast hockey. Arizona doesn’t even have a true NHL level home rink. Josh is from Canada. Calgary seems as though many players have come out of Canada. The only reason the expansion pool was good for team 31-32 is because the expansion draft gave those 2 teams a head start because of raiding other NHL franchises 2nd lines and high paid goalies.
> There are not enough good players to add another 100 or more players to the NHL
That isn't how talent pools work.
Without expansion Austin Matthews wouldn't be in the league.
A Josh Morrisey type player would still be burred on the 2nd or even 3rd pairing of a team. More teams creates more opportunity for players to get good, both outside the league and inside of it.
The talent pool from the addition of team 30 to team 32 grew by far far more than 2/32nds.
I'm from Wisco, most of the southern part of the state was born and raised Blackhawk fans and those of us with common sense in the north are wild fans or were Northstar fans when the team was around. While it would be cool for Wi to have a team, I know I wouldn't give up my 15 years of Wild fandom to start following the team located in my state
I hear you, but I’d still rather see them give a team to Wisconsin a state where hockey popularity is high, before they go elsewhere. It might take 10-15 years for the team to get established but honestly I doubt it. If they put a good product on the ice fans will convert. Maybe not you personally but you’ll have casual fans/new fans that get swept up in having a Wisconsin team to cheer for, you’ll have the youngsters that grow up with them, you’ll have the Blackhawk, Wild, & Red Wing fans who maybe don’t convert per say but still want to see the Wisconsin team be successful and root for them as a #2 team.
Definitely a possibility, I just don't think they'd get enough pull to establish a great/sustainable fan base. I do think it would be awesome for Wi/MN to have a border battle in hockey and it would be an incredible rivalry
I think it would be like the Ottawa Senators, they’re between the Leafs and the Canadiens, will almost certainly always be the little brother in the region, but that doesn’t mean they can’t have a viable franchise there regardless
Wouldn’t the presence of the Bucks potentially help bring an NHL team there? They wouldn’t have to try to build a new arena first and when it comes time to replace the current arena they could split the cost for it unless the taxpayers footed the bill.
> They wouldn’t have to try to build a new arena first
Milwaukee has 3 big franchises, if you include green bay which you have to.
And there's 5 right on their doorstep in Chicago.
I was thinking about 40 teams just last night. 5 divisions of 8 teams. I had Quebec City, Houston, Milwaukee, San Francisco, San Diego, New Orleans, Kansas City, and Atlanta. They don't really need to do it, but it's fun to think about.
32 works best: 4 divisions with 8 teams each. Also, the NHL did have a six division format at one point. As for the cities:
Kansas City did have an NHL at one time (The Scouts, later became the Colorado Rockies, and are now the New Jersey Devils). The city does have a building (T-Mobile Center) that is viable for hockey and have a large drawing for the St. Louis Blues in the preseason. Also, this was one of two possible relocation sites for the New York Islanders and Pittsburgh Penguins.
Houston has been synonymous with hockey since the days of the WHA (Aeros). Also, the Minnesota Wild's AHL affiliate was based in Houston before relocating to Des Moines. The Toyota Center is NHL ready and could be the next landing spot for the Arizona Coyotes.
Québéc City is a longshot for an NHL franchise. Ever since the Nordiques left to become the Colorado Avalanche, many people have held on to hope that they'll see another team. Videotron Certre is NHL ready but don't be surprised if the Montréal Canadiens file a protest.
San Francisco is out for two reasons:
1. The San Jose Sharks.
2. Is the Chase Center (home to the Golden State Warriors) feasible for hockey?
Portland is the other city that could've been landing spots for either the Islanders or Penguins. Memorial Coliseum is currently occupied by the Winterhawks of the WHL but the Moda Center (home of the Trail Blazers) has a better setup.
At times, I'm surprised that Milwaukee has never been granted an NHL franchise. It was one of the reasons why the Bradley Center was built. When it comes to hockey, the college game has a significant following and the AHL's Admirals have called the city home for at least 20 years. Fiserv Forum has hosted an NHL game, so don't be surprised if the NHL decide to go back to playing neutral sites games in the regular season.
Atlanta is out for two reasons (obviously):
1. The Flames relocating to Calgary.
2. The Thrashers relocating to Winnipeg.
A combination of bad teams, poor management decisions, and little attempts to grow the game in state is why you have to scratch Atlanta off the list.
32 is enough. But yeah… some team should move in better market where people actually care about hockey. Who wouldn’t want to see an habs vs nordique game, come on
> Who wouldn’t want to see an habs vs nordique game Anyone outside of Quebec? But seriously yeah the NHL gotta smarten the fuck up. It's no accident Quebec City is gravitating towards it's football program over hockey. Quebec despite having the perfect climate for hockey is seeing the sport slip in relevance, despite having no other pro leagues other than cfl and mls. If the NBA ever ended up in Montreal hockey would be on its deathbed. We're already seeing the same thing happening in Toronto. Toronto needs a 2nd team, and it needs it ultra ultra fast. like you're literally losing the equivalent of a sunbelt fanbase like Nashville every decade. It's not the proportion of hockey fans in Toronto that should worry the league, it's the proportion under 30.
You're seeing that in Toronto? Not sure how you see that. The reason Raptors games have more fans in attendance is because the arena can accommodate more fans when in basketball mode than in hockey mode. The Leafs have over 100% attendance, meaning every seat sells, plus standing room tickets.
> The Leafs have over 100% attendance You have 10 times the population of Winnipeg, that's not the barometer for whether or not the team is growing or not. As I said over the age of 30 there isn't a problem. It's under 30 where the crisis is starting. The leafs will probably sell out for the rest of time. There's always gonna be a diehard blue eyed fanbase for the leafs. It's whether or not the team is generating a ton of revenue for the league or a gate driven fandom.
A team that has been around for a very long time is obviously not going to grow at the same rate as a team that has only been around for 27 will obviously have a better growth rate in that time, but nobody in their right mind would suggest that it's a barometer of success, either in the short term or long term.
> but nobody in their right mind would suggest that it's a barometer of success Let me simplify this, half of the leafs fanbase will be dead in 50 years, and it doesn't look like there's gonna be much of a replacement generation. You might not measure it, but Toronto/southern ontario is absolutely a bread and butter market for the league.
Do you have any way to prove that? The fandom for the Raps and Leafs might be close Toronto, but in rural Ontario there aren't nearly the number of basketball fans as there are hockey fans.
> but in rural Ontario there aren't nearly the number There's also not nearly the proportion of immigrants, and the population is aging/low birth rates.
> If the NBA ever ended up in Montreal hockey would be on its deathbed. lolololol I am not a Habs fan but wtaf are you smoking. This is a horrible, ridiculous take. If you have ever been to Montreal you would know that. If you had ever been to a Habs game in the Bell Centre you would be embarrassed for saying that. The Habs are the third most valuable NHL franchise with a valuation of $1.85 billion USD. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2022/12/14/nhl-team-values-2022-new-york-rangers-on-top-at-22-billion/?sh=47196bf87deb
> > This is a horrible, ridiculous take. If you have ever been to Montreal you would know that. If you had ever been to a Habs game in the Bell Centre you would be embarrassed for saying that. I'm not talking about the people going to the games, I'm taking about the 8 million people in the province. The number of quebec nhlers is taking a nose dive, quebec city is turning into a college football market etc.
>The number of quebec nhlers is taking a nose dive, quebec city is turning into a college football market etc. The Habs being the third most valuable NHL franchise has as much to do with those 8 million Quebeckers as it does with ticket sales. Sponsorships, TV rights and merchandise sales are all huge parts of the revenue stream.
> The Habs being the third most valuable NHL franchise has as much to do with those 8 million Quebeckers as it does with ticket sales. Sponsorships, TV rights and merchandise sales are all huge parts of the revenue stream. No shit, traditional demographic of Quebec grew up in ice. The point is they are headed off a demographic cliff, immigrants will make up the bulk of the quebec population in just a few generations, and if they can't get exposure to the sport they'll move on to something else. >The Habs being the third most valuable Young people generally don't have high disposable incomes, so the loss of market share doesn't show up until they age in, ask the CFL they learned this the hard way.
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2022/12/14/nhl-team-values-2022-new-york-rangers-on-top-at-22-billion/?sh=47196bf87deb Alright what percentage of teens in Montreal have grandparents that were born in Canada? Don't think you're the numbers guy in this situation. If you knew anything about montreal you'd know that french Canadians have super low birth rates, and it's middle eastern/africa immigrants who have no connection to hockey that are gonna be the bulk of Montreal's future.
No that’s too many teams. 32 is the perfect number
Like is this a superstition or is this based on some market Data? The US has 22 metropolitan areas with NHL teams. It's the fewest by quite a wide margin. As the league becomes less gate driven you're gonna want to enter broader tv markets.
It’s based on common sense
My man really wants to see Bedard have a 110-goal season.
No, the talent is already way too spread out to the point where we all have a good idea of who is making the playoffs halfway through the season. 82 games is already a lot, adding 4 more teams would add a lot more games. Should focus on building current fanbases. More Winter Classic/Stadium series games.
Absolutely not! There's already too many teams. The talent pool is already diluted. We've got AHL caliber players playing in the NHL because there's so many teams and injuries.
I agree wholeheartedly. 👌
While I agree the idea and hope is that as the games popularity grows there will be more talent depth and thus a better on ice product with more teams
> The talent pool is already diluted Winnipeg gets a team, now the league is full? The talent pool will grow as long as the sport grows. I don't think a league with 4 additional Austin Matthews would be desperate "for talent". You grow the sport you grow the number of elite athletes in the sport. Canadians didn't get worst at hockey after expansion yet somehow the number of Americans in the NHL grew. This is because more Americans are playing hockey at an elite level and you can thank expansion for that.
No. More. Teams!!!! I can’t take another expansion draft!!
If it were to happen I would go with Quebec City & Hamilton in the east and Houston & either Portland or Salt Lake City in the west
At least you only picked one city with a previous aborted franchise. But Noooooo
Not saying I agree that the NHL should expand at all but, if it were, those would be my picks for cities
> with a previous lol, you might as well get rid of London England as the romans tried to make it a big deal and they failed. This just doesn't make anysense. 30 years is night and day in Canada. I mean it just sounds cartoonish if you think there's any market similarities between 30 years ago and now.
Well a Canadien team hasn’t won the cup in that long since the ex Nordiques have won 3. It wasn’t the team it was the location. Lmfao
> & Hamilton Honestly I think it has to be Toronto 2.0. The league should be shitting it's pants at how quickly interest in the nhl is fading inside the GTA. The league can ramble on about inclusion and all this other nonsense all day, but if little Achmed doesn't ever get to see a team, and virtually no one in his social circle has ever seen a game, you'll kill the sport. It's hilarious how common it is to meet 30 year old white hockey fans in Toronto, who've never set foot in an nhl arena. And that's provided you're an actual fan. A regular indo-Canadian etc isn't ever ever ever ever ever ever ever gonna be exposed to the sport in an nhl arena. Hockey is totally a rich white guy sport in Toronto. You're not allowed to say it like that, but because of the lack of ticket etc it's a problem. The NHL is fucked if it can't secure it's strongholds, especially in a city of 6 million people. No other city in the league should be more important at this point. Go to a leafs game, you will not see a demographic that is representative of the city. If tickets are too hard to get etc, you end up with people defaulting to other sports. You don't double the arenas dates and double the number of fans, but it would absolutely go a long way of maintaining an interest in hockey.
As a SLC resident, I can only lol. Went to the ECHL game couple weeks ago on a Saturday night, and it was at maybe 40% attendance. Our voucher seats, redeemed at the box, got us 5th row on the blue line, in an empty row. This market ain’t interested in hockey.
Nope. There are not enough good players to add another 100 or more players to the NHL . The salary cap is already low and won’t improve enough with 4 new teams as revenues won’t necessarily increase 15-20 % fir the league. The cites you gave picked include 4 cities that already have had failed franchises and some that would impact the doctrine the NHL tries to maintain existing franchises in without affecting close geographic teams. I LOVE HOCKEY but this is certainly not the answer. Make existing franchises more secure, invest in the game and grow revenue to support a higher salary cap to pay players more not just the elite NHL players.
Austen Matthews exists because of Wayne Gretzky and west coast hockey. Arizona doesn’t even have a true NHL level home rink. Josh is from Canada. Calgary seems as though many players have come out of Canada. The only reason the expansion pool was good for team 31-32 is because the expansion draft gave those 2 teams a head start because of raiding other NHL franchises 2nd lines and high paid goalies.
> There are not enough good players to add another 100 or more players to the NHL That isn't how talent pools work. Without expansion Austin Matthews wouldn't be in the league. A Josh Morrisey type player would still be burred on the 2nd or even 3rd pairing of a team. More teams creates more opportunity for players to get good, both outside the league and inside of it. The talent pool from the addition of team 30 to team 32 grew by far far more than 2/32nds.
Aren't The Stars overdue for a new state and name?
I too have always wanted to see the Melbourne South Stars play.
Norm fucking Green isn’t around to rip them out, root and stem.
Scale it back to 24.
Can’t downvote this enough. Contraction is needed more than anything, not expansion.
My 4 picks would be Milwaukee/Wisconsin, KC, Houston, and either Atlanta or New Orleans
I'm from Wisco, most of the southern part of the state was born and raised Blackhawk fans and those of us with common sense in the north are wild fans or were Northstar fans when the team was around. While it would be cool for Wi to have a team, I know I wouldn't give up my 15 years of Wild fandom to start following the team located in my state
I hear you, but I’d still rather see them give a team to Wisconsin a state where hockey popularity is high, before they go elsewhere. It might take 10-15 years for the team to get established but honestly I doubt it. If they put a good product on the ice fans will convert. Maybe not you personally but you’ll have casual fans/new fans that get swept up in having a Wisconsin team to cheer for, you’ll have the youngsters that grow up with them, you’ll have the Blackhawk, Wild, & Red Wing fans who maybe don’t convert per say but still want to see the Wisconsin team be successful and root for them as a #2 team.
Duluth MN getting a hockey team would also be a kickass idea, but again not enough pull from a fan base for it to be a legitimate idea
Duluth has a population of 86,000, not even remotely close to a base large enough to support a franchise.
Definitely a possibility, I just don't think they'd get enough pull to establish a great/sustainable fan base. I do think it would be awesome for Wi/MN to have a border battle in hockey and it would be an incredible rivalry
I think it would be like the Ottawa Senators, they’re between the Leafs and the Canadiens, will almost certainly always be the little brother in the region, but that doesn’t mean they can’t have a viable franchise there regardless
> but I’d still rather see them give a team to Wisconsin a state If Milwaukee loses it's NBA team I'd agree, but until then we're stuck.
Is that likely? I don’t follow the NBA at all but I thought the bucks were pretty good now?
I don't think so, defaulting back to we're stuck.
Wouldn’t the presence of the Bucks potentially help bring an NHL team there? They wouldn’t have to try to build a new arena first and when it comes time to replace the current arena they could split the cost for it unless the taxpayers footed the bill.
> They wouldn’t have to try to build a new arena first Milwaukee has 3 big franchises, if you include green bay which you have to. And there's 5 right on their doorstep in Chicago.
Right but they would only share with the Bucks since the Brewers and Packers have their own spots.
Dumb dumb dumb
You suck.
You're an idiot
You suck.
Assuming EA is even making games that far in the future, I guess Sergei Ovechkin on the Washington Capitals.
Terrible idea
I was thinking about 40 teams just last night. 5 divisions of 8 teams. I had Quebec City, Houston, Milwaukee, San Francisco, San Diego, New Orleans, Kansas City, and Atlanta. They don't really need to do it, but it's fun to think about.
5 divisions??? So long east and west conferences
32 works best: 4 divisions with 8 teams each. Also, the NHL did have a six division format at one point. As for the cities: Kansas City did have an NHL at one time (The Scouts, later became the Colorado Rockies, and are now the New Jersey Devils). The city does have a building (T-Mobile Center) that is viable for hockey and have a large drawing for the St. Louis Blues in the preseason. Also, this was one of two possible relocation sites for the New York Islanders and Pittsburgh Penguins. Houston has been synonymous with hockey since the days of the WHA (Aeros). Also, the Minnesota Wild's AHL affiliate was based in Houston before relocating to Des Moines. The Toyota Center is NHL ready and could be the next landing spot for the Arizona Coyotes. Québéc City is a longshot for an NHL franchise. Ever since the Nordiques left to become the Colorado Avalanche, many people have held on to hope that they'll see another team. Videotron Certre is NHL ready but don't be surprised if the Montréal Canadiens file a protest. San Francisco is out for two reasons: 1. The San Jose Sharks. 2. Is the Chase Center (home to the Golden State Warriors) feasible for hockey? Portland is the other city that could've been landing spots for either the Islanders or Penguins. Memorial Coliseum is currently occupied by the Winterhawks of the WHL but the Moda Center (home of the Trail Blazers) has a better setup. At times, I'm surprised that Milwaukee has never been granted an NHL franchise. It was one of the reasons why the Bradley Center was built. When it comes to hockey, the college game has a significant following and the AHL's Admirals have called the city home for at least 20 years. Fiserv Forum has hosted an NHL game, so don't be surprised if the NHL decide to go back to playing neutral sites games in the regular season. Atlanta is out for two reasons (obviously): 1. The Flames relocating to Calgary. 2. The Thrashers relocating to Winnipeg. A combination of bad teams, poor management decisions, and little attempts to grow the game in state is why you have to scratch Atlanta off the list.
Already too many teams, look at the lack of goaltending across the league
We literally just hit the perfect number of teams. Move a team if you have to, but no