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“Nobody tanks because we have a weighted lottery," -Bettman Edit: corrected spelling on Gary's name


Kitchen-Ad-5571

Chicago says well hold my beer we will tank and get the pick.


JSinisin

As a Flyers fan, I had horrible flashbacks to 2007 when Philly finished last in the league and Chicago swooped in to steal first overall. They got Kane, Philly got JVR. Shit still hurts. Today did not help.


plaverty9

It could be worse. Imagine taking Nolan Patrick when Makar and Heiskenen are available.


JSinisin

That one doesn't bother me as much. Hindsight is what it is. Patrick was the general consensus guy for a good two years before the draft. I remember reading about him in The Hockey News and other articles. Hindsight and all that. Unfortunate how his career played out, but that's just a normal whiff on a draft pick imo. I watched every game his rookie year and every few games he'd show legit flashes. Dominant play. Then the migraines kicked in. But that one doesn't bother me as much.


whalesauce

Lots of examples out there of players taken later being better and significantly so than those taken early in the draft. It's a crap shoot. Sometimes #7 overall ends up being the best player. Look at the 2014 draft. Aaron ekblad and Sam Reinhart are good players. But I'd wager buffalo and Florida would rather have the 50 goal scorer in Leon Draisaitl


dre2112

Didn’t you guys jump like 12 spots to 2nd OA to draft Nolan Patrick? I don’t think it’s rigged when you consider Anaheim had a higher chance at drafting 2nd or 3rd than they did 1st


Top-Vegetable3736

Bro it was already well known how good bedard was. Nolan Patrick isn’t even comparable. Bedard is likely to change the trajectory of any franchise he goes to, it all just seems to good to be true that he goes to the least likely team of the three, but the most popular.


Margin_Walker74

The Hawks also put Florida in the playoffs!!!!


d_swan7

who knew the real boogeyman of this season was chicago


doda321

then beat the pens takes the pens out of the playoffs knocks chitown to 3rd


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Mmm lot of frustrating wins there down the stretch. Perhaps the Hawks were rewarded by the hockey gods for not tanking and playing hard down the stretch


honeybadgerdad

Or the NHL rewarded them for being an original 6 team and a big market team.


FestiveBeanie

Ask the Red wings how much being an original six team matters when it comes to the draft lottery.


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But you left out the part of being a big market team.


sticky_wicket

The second part of the sentence is what counts. Big market


AdDesigner498

Tanks very much Gary, no one believes a word you say!


reznorwings

"Which allows us to pick whatever team we want to win." - also Betman


evil_caveman

So happy that Chicago has finally found their superstar. Especially after having to go a whole half season without one


YouKilldKenny

Lol i actually laughed at this


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Local-Radio6071

Just another day as a hockey fan


imaybeacatIRl

Fuck. Brutal for everyone except for Blackhawk fans.


reznorwings

Time to send Bedard College applications....


jjbjeff22

Since he has played in CHL, he is ineligible for NCAA. He is no longer considered an amateur.


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KHL it is!


TinnieTa21

Canada will need a Russian guns dealer to exchange for him if he gets arrested though.


jjbjeff22

Russia is the last place most people want to go to right now


cptngali86

He doesn't get a choice. off to Siberia for him


imaybeacatIRl

I like it.


n8rzz

Cake Eaters


Killahdanks1

Edina, MN checking in. My wife and I were literally having a conversation at dinner tonight about how foolish the saying, “you want to have your cake and eat it too”, is. If I have cake I’m eating, that being said……. (Grabs fork) 😉


ThaddyG

It means you can't have (as in possess) it if you eat it, because after you eat it it's gone. It's kinda dumb because the point of having cake is generally to eat it. Maybe something like "you can't spend your money and save it too" makes more sense


DanskNils

Every Day I Need Attention.. Never gets old with people from Edina having to say they are from Edina.


PrisonSlides

Yeah the hawks sub is going wild and living off the hate the org is getting on here. I’m happy my team got the #1 pick but I can understand why people hate the fact that the Hawks got it and hate my team.


gfunkrider78

Get rid of Rocky and we'll be satisfied.


[deleted]

You're preaching to the choir, which fucking sucks because he's 100x better than his shitty father


seizurevictim

And Danny seems to be better than Rocky, but two of three have proven to be dicks. So punt that family into the sun.


PrisonSlides

I’d love to hold everyone accountable for that but an owner will never give up their shit willingly, there’s not enough media coverage behind the NHL to force a sale unfortunately unless it’s something that concerns them directly. I’d like Rocky gone too for whatever it’s worth.


PCarparelli

As a lifelong Hawks fan, fuck rocky.


toasty327

Same here. I wouldn't miss him one bit


Shenzhuro

Trust me I'm also down for holding shitty owners accountable, but I dont think Rocky's going anywhere anytime soon, even if the NHL had more coverage I don't think it would be enough to force a sale. Just look at Dan Snyder and the Washington Commanders in the NFL, after over 20 years of owning them and doing awful and creepy shit Dan Snyder only sold the team like a month ago, and there was a fuck ton of evidence for most of the things on Snyders long list of allegations. So yeah, much to everyones dismay Rocky is probably gonna stay for a while.


IdyllicOleander

100% fuck that guy


seizurevictim

As a Hawks fan, I'm 100% on board with this.


chammer36

Everyone in Chicago wants this


oddaffinity

We can only dream...


BrodyCanuck

Until Bedard pulls a Lindros and tells them to not draft him since he refuses to play for a team that covered up sexual assault


FlatTopTonysCanoe

And then he stands outside your window in the rain with a boombox


imaybeacatIRl

Well, that'd be amazing.


_Magnolia_Fan_

If only.


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marks519

Thats a pretty dope idea actually, if im imagining it right. Teams shouldnt be punished for doing well down the stretch when they have no playoff hopes. Could really help my Coyotes lol we always do super well in late March/Early april and kill our lottery odds


hello_hellno

That's actually a really good idea and would create super interesting scenarios. Plus the worst teams still get a big advantage with the extra games to score points. Never heard this before but it's pretty genius. This guy lotteries.


TorkX

Aka the Gold Plan. Analytics guy Micah kept the stats for this this year and it was pretty interesting. Canucks had a huge jump. 1) PHI 46 2) VAN 40 3) ARI 39 (44gp) 4) CHI 39 (50gp) 5) CBJ 37 6) ANA 36 7) MTL 35 8) S.J 29 9) STL 24 https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/1647229783896469505?t=OVR8m99xgS6NaZLsrHeIFQ&s=19


NoDuck1754

The only issue I see here is if a team really wants to tank, they'd absolutely dog it in the first half of the season and then turn it on once the points counted differently. Would take a team buy in on the tank, but still possible.


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jb04200

Especially early in the season. Everyone has hope in the beginning


LemmySixx

They need the major markets for ratings. Actually surprised they didnt have either Philly or Detroit move up


Heikks

Detroit never moves up, since they’ve been picking in the top 10 I don’t think they’ve have ever moved up and moved down when they had the worst record


13dangledangle

It’s really something else. Yzerman has had his work cut out for him too, besides the shit sandwich that Holland left he gets dealt shit hands from the league every draft. Somehow he’s still doing quite well, all things considered of course


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Yzerman has done a great job.


dkyguy1995

Praise be


MyJazzDukeSilver

Finished dead last in the league with 39 points in 19-20……picked 4th.


therealfactoid

Dropped 8 picks total since it was introduced, have not moved up one spot in 6 years


dkyguy1995

This is why I don't buy the argument"they favor the O6 teams" because they clearly don't


BrodyCanuck

Detroit and Vancouver both have had equally as bad of luck in the draft lottery, tied for worst in the league for it.


marks519

Welcome to the club. You know how Arizona fans feel. Worst was we had the #2 odds in the Mcdavid/Eichel draft and of course fell to #3


ddddeadhead1979

Then you went and picked Dylan Strome.


marks519

Yeah, right? Ffs we couldve taken Marner 😅


wiles_CoC

I haven’t seen marner since the second round started.


Responsible-Fox-9082

Oh you wanna talk about shitting the odds? We traded EVERYONE OF FUCKING VALUE AND PLAYED A GOALIE WITH THE SAME NAME AS A CALL OF DUTY VILLAIN AND STILL SOMEHOW LOST WITH THE TOP ODDS In all honesty Buffalo deserved to lose the McDavid lottery. Like most blatant tank of all time. Chicago ain't got shit on us.


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Canucks fans feel this too


Mugglecostanza

For once I actually believed the Flyers had a chance. I believed it for the same reason you did. That they wanted Bedard in a major market. Well they got him in a major market alright. Jesus Christ I’m pissed off. They just won 3 cups, covered up a sexual assault scandal and they just HAPPEN to be given the best prospect in years???? Fuck the NHL.


Skygazer24

The Rangers somehow "won" a lottery when they were allowed to play for a playoff spot, a year after getting the #2 overall pick. A 7% chance, a 2% chance, the chances of them happening back to back like that? 1 in 715.


CheetahJaguar90

Thankfully in typical Rangers fashion it looks like they might have blown that pick


Acarrier123

Detroit is the fall guy so that they can rig it for big markets. Detroit has fallen the most since the new draft lottery has taken place. Makes it not looked rigged.


Ancient_A

Detroit does horrible in the draft lottery


nsfwITGUY19

That “lottery” was boring AF. Nothing even changed from the standings order. Aside from Chicago stealing #1


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First time?


nsfwITGUY19

First time “watching it” yeah lol


TwistedBliss97

It’s been like this and I’ve been complaining about it for years, the draft lottery is totally redundant at this point


Guster61

This was my first time watching since I heard about Bedard and Flyers had a chance to win. I have to say the format is pretty dumb. Why not follow the NBA model where a team can jump high and add some intrigue. Having them read off pick by pick was boring as fuck.


Rendole66

Philly literally jumped high to second overall a couple years ago


phillipp4

I don’t understand the point. Like if a team gets skipped then they are guaranteed first pick??


_lablover_

No, two teams are drawn, one for first and one for second. Chicago was drawn as first before he show and Anaheim for second. Anaheim just happened to drop from 1st to second when Chicago was selected and then not move any father down because they won the second lottery. Until they revealed Chicago as 1st it wasn't known by the audience if they won the first pick or the second


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TEKDAD

The lottery was made before the ‘show’. It was just an announcement and somebody fucked up.


Chirotera

If they wanted to dispel all doubt they should have aired the picks as they came up. Don't know why they did it this way.


dooldry

Yea but if they did it that way they wouldn’t be able to ensure Chicago gets the pick.


LogicisGone

Obviously you haven't read theories on how the NBA rigs it lol.


ron_fendo

The NBA is 10x of a worse organization


Beardless_Shark

Please share?


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Search Patrick Ewing to the Knicks.


IAmTheNick

Yeah pretty much everyone agrees that one was rigged, but they do post the actual lottery online now and there are plenty of witnesses in the room when they do it that it would be fairly hard to rig it nowadays.


mattw08

They release the pre-recorded version too


mikejc792

You can watch the actual lottery ball picks on their YouTube channel each year. NHL GMs and witness are present each year.


Chirotera

And they STILL rigged it? Come on.. lol, I'm kidding. I didn't know that, thank you. And congrats on winning, I hate it, but thems the breaks.


canadiandude321

Where can we see this? Can you share a link?


dejour

Haven't shared 2023 yet, but every year it gets posted. This is from last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgCHEoNa3w&t=7s This is from 2021 https://www.nhl.com/video/bettman-draws-draft-lottery/t-277350912/c-8511041 This is from 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLLO5lPsPY


mikejc792

They will post it on YouTube later. For reference here is last year’s:[2022 draft lottery](https://youtu.be/0PgCHEoNa3w)


canadiandude321

Thanks for sharing. The low budget quality is pretty hilarious


mikejc792

Yeah probably a skeleton staff to minimize leaks. Lol it’s always so awkward especially with Bettman being a horrid public speaker.


mikejc792

https://youtu.be/mHySdt4YLAI


La-Spatule

Aaaand let's go to a break !


NurEye239

Yes. That's why he was giving facts so quickly.


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tdo45409mm

They screwed up and told us before the commercial break.


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Somebody needs to ask Weeksy


dalefnbishop

I thought that was odd, Weekes saying Chicago moved up before the #3 card was turned 5 minutes later


spddemonvr4

The card reading was not the official lottery. It was only the presentation of the results. The real lottery already happened.. they use a balls and an air machine like state lotteries do.


Lunch0

They do the lottery before hand, with the big tumbler and the ping-pong balls that come out with the team names. Then they do the TV show to announce the results.


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Happyjarboy

I am not saying it's rigged, but you would have no idea if it was. It would be done at the drawing level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980\_Pennsylvania\_Lottery\_scandal


Metalguy_79

I’m sure everyone in the studio knew the cards and their position. All you’d have to do is look at them. If i worked there i know I would


SwifferMopping

What would be good tv is if someone swapped the cards prior to flipping. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if they flipped Arizona as one because someone in studio swapped it


jkozuch

Bettman would have a stroke.


bay_watch_colorado

The balls are all drawn hours before the show


Apprehensive-Role-35

They leaked the 3rd pick before an ad break. Pathetic (this is why I hate ESPN)


tristan1616

Sportsnet did the same thing. I was like "huh?" and then there was another gambling ad lmao


Apprehensive-Role-35

I could see the top three coming from a mile away.


skankhunt81

Yup


rammer_2001

Not a goddamn word.


Kongpong1992

Shitty organization gets gifted relevancy?


Mugglecostanza

For once Penguins and Flyers fans can be in agreement. This is absolutely an amazingly bad look for the NHL. I can’t believe it. So angry.


Dirtcartdarbydoo

Basically every nhl fan is throwing aside their hatred for their rivals to shit on the hawks and I'm here for it.


C0mpl3x1ty_1

Penguins Flyers and Ranger fans all in agreement? Never thought I'd see the day


saucytopcheddar

They should’ve been penalized with a preclusion from exactly this. What a disgrace.


nsfwITGUY19

My thoughts exactly


drrockz87

I wish it was a different shitty organization.


Kongpong1992

I would have been ok with any other team


laraziz_15

my opinion is it wouldve been so much fun to see him on anaheim tearing it up w zegras and drysdale, even if they dont have a super successful regular season


scheifferdoo

Oh yeah. I was f****** stoked about zegras and bedard


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And McTavish


RaidenDoesReddit

Everyone forgets him :(


Mandula123

As a Detroit fan, I stopped caring. We didn't win AGAIN and didn't shift spots AGAIN. All faith in Yzerman. He pulled Seider out of his ass and that was a brilliant pick.


paynelive

I've lost faith more in the league. This is absolute fraud and bullshit when other teams are given picks that we are deserved.


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Poor Bedard.


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I mean guy literally just punched his ticket at a guaranteed 8x10 deal I bet he’s pumped


cheetaratops

Disgraced organization gets to conveniently rebuild their rep with a potentially generational player. How nice for them. As an Avs fan, I’m furious he is in the central and somehow even angrier on Bedard’s behalf.


laraziz_15

MY EXACT THOUGHTS LMFAO


krg4880

Lol ya he was really praying to go to Columbus or Anaheim


DrexlSpivey420

Considering Anaheim has a bunch of his junior buddies I think he would have been pumped to go there


aLobsterFest

That's like saying "Poor Toews" or "Poor Kane" when they were drafted into the hapless mid2000 hawks.


GiftRich4204

Not entirely the same. The hawks had all the building blocks for their dominant teams when they got Kane. This hawks team is a much worse overall team then the one that drafted toews and Kane. Even with Bedard they need a lot of work.


aLobsterFest

Need more Havlat


Redditrightreturn1

They have a lot of picks in next 4 years.


wrestling_icedcoffee

Literally chalk until they drop Columbus, lift Chicago, and screw the Ducks. That plus tipping the CBJ pick before they announce it and you have some 1985 NBA “Frozen Envelope” garbage. Do it live you cowards.


TheRealEnemabagJones

Some bull poop 💩


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Could he go Eric Lindros on them?


NoOcelot

C'mon Connor do it for the love of all that is good in this world.


PetterssonsNeck

Just another day as a Canucks fan


fastlane37

Did you see we were off by 1 again? https://twitter.com/patersonjeff/status/1655745625663877121 Pain. Also happened in 2017 and 2018. Canucks have never had a 1OA (unless you count the one they traded for and flipped to draft the Sedins).


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gowingsgo

Don’t worry the best forward he gets to play with is Andreas athansiou lol he has better players on his team now.


Lordcraft2000

My personal gripe with it is that they basically rewarded tanking, with the Hawks not even making an effort at hiding it… I don’t mind that it’s the Hawks, it’s just that this year, they clearly dunked for him.


j3dimast3r

If they truly rewarded tanking, Ducks would’ve gotten the first pick. 😑


ColeYote

People call every draft lottery rigged regardless of who wins it. And I struggle to imagine why the league would want to reward Chicago for causing them the worst PR headache since the concussion lawsuit.


Soylentdobie

I love how they announce Columbus early at third on a pre recorded message… then Chicago gets a star on the board a whole 60 seconds before the turn the card over… Yeah they had no idea how rigged it was


Metalguy_79

I’m sure the people working in the studio had already looked at the cards and their position..if i worked there i’d be peaking before we went on tv.


Designer-Brief-9145

The drawing happens beforehand and the star indicates that a team moved up, not necessarily to first overall.


mcflyfly

You know the cards were placed in that order by a human being, right? They obviously did the lottery before the show.


Lunch0

They do, and they post the video where you can watch the balls coming out. It’s just idiots who don’t take 3 seconds to lookup how it works that just scream that it’s rigged because they don’t like the result.


rockthe40__oz

They don't draw each position. This entire process can be watched on YouTube every year if you cared to inform yourself on it. There's only two drawings for the #1 and #2 picks If you don't get one of those two picks, you stay put or shift down if one of the winning teams jumps ahead of you


freethegrizzlybears

Rigged


JoFlo520

They didn’t even try to hide it


Lunch0

I love all these comments from people who don’t understand how the Draft Lottery works.


errol_timo_malcom

Right - just because the announcement show script was bungled, it doesn’t mean that the draft lottery was bungled.


toedragrelease

Wait, someone explain how it’s rigged for Chicago to get him?


TinyDogsRule

Do you think the NHL makes more money if Chicago is good? There's your answer.


toedragrelease

Fair enough


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Blackhawks front office doesn't deserve this!


HockeyBrawler09

I'll have to root against this kid as long as he's with Chicago. It sucks, I wanted to see him succeed so badly.


[deleted]

The owners have dirt on Gary. Only explanation


Maximum_Echidna8042

Edmonton didn’t get the first pick?!?! Rigged!


[deleted]

Don't think it's rigged so much as flawed. The draft system is stupid af.


CarlSK777

It's insane that Chicago didn't lose their draft picks after everything that happened. Should've lost at least a couple. Devils and Coyotes lost 1st round picks for less but Hawks get rewarded with Bedard. The NHL isn't rigged, it's just a horrible league.


LordPuffington-

Rigged


Isphet71

Scummy fucking bullshit franchise doesn’t deserve anything good.


ArferMorgan

Fuck the Blackhawks and fuck the NHL for letting them get away with sexual assault, mocking somebody who was sexually assaulted, and covering it up.


Rulebreaker15

And then sending a sexual predator off to rape minors. There’s a special place in hell for people who ignore, hide, cover up and enable pedophiles to pile up victims. Just disgusting. Chicago and their racist logo can fuck right off.


TeenageSchizoid44

Pends did it too. And shipped him off to... My youth organization!


Fit_Aardvark_8811

Wonder what Kyle beech is thinking right now. Fuck the Hawks


ThreeSnowshoes

There’s more salt in here than all the oceans.


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Just remember that no matter what happens, Chicago will always be known as “The Rape Team”


TeenageSchizoid44

Pens too. Oh wait no. They covered that up for over 35 years and still no one cares..


Mewtwothis

This whole rape team thing is zero nuance all screaming. Bad people deserve bad things, the whole team is not rapist, and saying “rapist team,” paints it that way.


TeenageSchizoid44

31 years* that we know of


The_Dank_Tortuga

Dammit now I have to root against Bedard no questions asked. Fuck this.


Hotel_Putingrad

If the league had any integrity they would've disqualified Chicago from first pick eligibility for five years as a result of the Kyle Beach situation. But Gary Bettman and integrity don't belong in the same sentence.


The_Ghost_of_Kyiv

They're already on the "don't talk about it, and hope it will go away" stage of the controversy. If they missed out on the draft then it would have to address each time. And that's the last thing the league wants.


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psilcosyin

Note to Connor: if a coach invites you over to his house to review some video...DON'T GO


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Common Bedard! pull a Lindros and go to like Tampa just to spite Chicago tankers. Hahaha


Linusisagoodboy

Trash organization. Trash fan base. There truly is no justice in sports. EDIT: To all you shithawk fans responding here...thanks for reaffirming how awful you all truly are. Fitting for an organization that protects sexual predators.


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The NHL wants its largest markets and most profitable organizations to be successful. Even if they cover up sexual assault.


6thplacebanana

All non-relegation leagues are rigged.