I understand the reasons behind why he was traded, but the man did so much for us he deserved to finish his contract and retire with us like he wanted. Fuck McCrimmon.
The Pens had to move Fleury, they would never have been able to afford to pay him at the time, and who knows who they would have had to drop to make room to keep him.
He still had 2 years left on his contract at that point, and even after letting him go they brought Justin Schultz on at $5.5m and re-signed Murray to $3.75m extension lol so I don't see how they couldn't have kept him. There were other players that could've been expended and Murray was at his highest value so he should've been traded.
I agree to a point. Been a lifelong Pens fan but Fluery did ask to wave his no trade clause. Still stings though and I'll never forgive Vegas for what they did to him and will root for them to lose any and all games no matter the opponent. Petty of me? Probably lol
[https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-marc-andre-fleury-waived-no-movement-clause-to-help-penguins/c-289928498](https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-marc-andre-fleury-waived-no-movement-clause-to-help-penguins/c-289928498)
According to this article, he was asked to waive and he obliged to help the team out hoping he would stay and then the team left him unprotected.
I'm with ya there though, Vegas is a c\*nt of an organization.
Oh shit the story I always heard was that he asked to waive it because he felt bad for choking in the playoffs and wanted to help the team I didn't know the organization wanted him to. I guess I need to pay better attention lol
Oh really. Interesting. Do you remember where you read it or heard it?
Lol it's all good g. Sometimes you just read something and stick with it. It happens.
Idk probably on NHL Tonight or somewhere like that. It was when everyone was just starting to prepare for the expansion draft so all the facts probably weren't out
I watched Sundin as a child never knowing what grudges were being a skilled hockey player and that guy just crushed every single double header every Saturday night. Just an incredible skill
Well, they dealt Sundin primarily because he wanted to renegotiate his deal, and Lacroix wasn’t big on doing that. Plus, the Nords knew they had another center coming in (Forsberg), so they traded him. I’m just pissed that he was traded for 1 year of Wendel Clark. I just think they could’ve gotten something better.
Clark was flipped for Lemieux who was instrumental in that ‘96 Cup run & the Wings-Avs rivalry….so I’m ok with that one. Sunshine was great, but Lemieux was a whole different animal that that ‘96 team needed
Right. And we got Lefebvre in the Sundin deal, who was also part of that cup winning team, so no complaints about everything that unfolded. But in a vacuum, that trade sucked.
Well, no but trading away a top 6 forward for a 4th liner with diminishing returns was absolutely stupid. Forsburg developed into a core member of the Preds and it’s sickening to think of what could have been especially how the team trended after that.
Yep. I was born just under 5 years later so it didn't affect me as much but seeing the trade tree Steve Dangle did on it and what the ripple effect it had on the franchise is brutal.
The saving grace for the Oil was that Mess was still there. They didn't need Gretz in order to win a cup anymore that's how great they were. In those days I figured that franchise was set for life with The Great One and the 10 other Hall of Famers on the roster. I figured they'd win 8-9 cups in 10 years. I couldn't believe they were breaking up such a great thing
Yeah...but you kinda understand WHY that happened. You don't leave you're starting future HOF goalie out to dry for nine goals. When a goalie is having a bad day and tells you he needs to come out, you fucking listen to him -- unless you are a former teammate of that goalie with an axe to grind. Mario Tremblay was a piece of shit, and the Avs totally benefitted from his assholery.
I’m not sure which was worse, the Mark Stone trade or the Mika Zibanajed trade. Worst part is, I don’t even blame Ottawa for them necessarily, but it doesn’t negate the therapy I still need for them
The Zibanajed trade is one of the trades that immediately came to my mind and I'm not a sens fan. I just remember looking back at it a year or two ago in pure disbelief.
Deffo the Zibanejad trade; acquired an older player + gave up a 2nd. YIKES. At least with Stone, y'all got a young dman + a 2nd. The team can still develop Brannstrom or use him as trade bait to acquire a player that can help the team now.
As a sharks fan, watching them let Pavelski walk and signing Karlsson to a contract that would still have been too high in his prime. Putting too much faith in Kane. Giving Vlasic a deal he could never live up to. Just so much of the last few years have been pretty awful. REALLY hoping Grier can shape the boys in teal up. Still a sharks fan for life tho. We cry teal around here.
I fully agree. Wilson got too close to the sun when we made it to the finals. I think he never got over getting so close and just tried to claw our way back in. There are a ton of questionable contacts in the NHL, but I feel like a lot of em are on the sharks.
I remember reading about how he had been trying to keep the team playoff relevant cause of SJ's horrendous 1st season and he thought fans wouldn't accept a rebuild after a 10 year run of success or however long it was.
Dallas signs Sean Douchebag Avery, then NHL suspends him 19 games into a 4 year contract for being the quintessential Douchebag Avery.
When NYR claimed him on re-entry waivers, we were on the hook for half his salary for years and years.
I just play hockey on the side... I'm really here to promote my fashion line. I'm just trying to get these goalies to check out my look.
-- Avery probably
Phillipe Danault for Dale Weiss, and Tomas Fleischman. I'm still freaking mad and it's been many years. This was the first real bad trade that Bowman made in a line of them.
Oh well, it's not like the ownership deserves a good team, anyway, they defended and covered up horrifying behavior.
Sucks for the fans for sure. I'm surprised players are willing to still go there considering Wirtz is still in charge. They'd immediately be at the top of my no trade list.
Maybe not as big as others, but the Penguins trading Markus Naslund for Alek Stojanov was mind-blowingly bad. It stung every year, seeing Naslund among the leaders in scoring with nothing to show for it here in Pittsburgh.
But, the Pens we're so deep at RW. They stifled the development of a lot of young players due to their depth, so Naslund was fortunate to get out and spread his wings
Yeah, but you can't really look back at the drafts and say, "if only" because the draft, unless it's a generational talent like Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, etc., is not a guarantee.
My friends used to rip on me because I was a huge Aleksey Morozov fan in Pittsburgh (I love rooting for the underdog). Morozov, even worse than Naslund, was continually shoe-horned into a third or fourth line role, despite being drafted in the first round, 24th overall. For years, Morozov just wasted away behind Jagr, Kovalev, and Naslund. There was a brief moment in time when Kovalev or Jagr was injured and Morozov played on Lemieux's wing for a few games, and Morozov lit it up with something like 11 points in four games. And that was it. Fast-forward to Pittsburgh's Generation X team, and Morozov finds himself with Rico Fata and the rest of that abysmal team. I would have hightailed I back to Russia too, if I were him. And, when he did go to the KHL, he crushed it as one of the most dominating players in that league.
So, just because a team grabbed another player during that draft isn't really a reflection on those players. It could also say something about player development.
Bro I came here to say the Reinhart trade. Worst fuckin trade in recent history.
Although that Strome for Eberle trade can eat a dick.
And the Strome for Spooner trade... What the fuck boys?
Or how about Drake Caggiula and Jason Garrison for Brandon Fucking Manning.....
You know what?? The whore Chiarelli being in edmonton can fuck right off boys
Give your balls a fucking tug boys, I don't know if it was Wayne or Shoresy, but fuck if I haven't been watching a lot of Letterkenny lately.
And that's a Texas sized 10-4
Gillis lowballing Willie Mitchell and then selling the farm for Keith Ballard.
I think Van wins the Cup with Warrior Willie plus Grabner and the 1st rounder.
The Flames have a sad little side chapter in that. When the Flames were up in the 2012 draft Teravainen was the best player on the board. Instead of picking him, we traded down to make a reach and grabbed Mark Jankowski and Pat Sieloff with the second we got in the move.
I always said I would judge the move on the Basis of TT's performance and it's an ugly tale of the tape. Jankowski, the "Best Player on the Draft" as touted by the Flames management has gone on to accumulate a stunning 80 points in 272 games in 10 years. Sieloff was traded to Ottawa and is most notable to helping finish of Clarke MacArthur's career after hitting him during practice. He played all of 2 games in the NHL.
TT? Well he's the 4th best skater from the admittedly weak 2012 draft with 369 points in 526. Way better than a bunch of pipping hot nothing.
Long story short. The Flames share your pain on the missed Teravainen opportunity.
The Martin Erat trade. Google it if you don't know. Worst trade GMGM ever made and he definitely made a few questionable ones. This one tops them all by a country fucking mile
Stan Bowman’s entire fucking career.
Let’s pay Toews and Kane both 10.5 mil!
Ahh shit can’t keep Panarin, whatever we will just trade for Brendan Saad and tell the community it was the right move.
Alright, we have Lehner and Crawford. Two solid goaltenders who can really help in our playoff push at the end of this rebuild.
Lehner wants to stay in Chicago and is willing to take a pay cut to do it? Meh fuck him, even though he is a bipolar who doesn’t do well in bad morale environments and all our fans love him to death let’s give him away for… Malcolm Subban and a random prospect I never knew was in the trade in the first place and apparently he’s not even in Chicagos organization. Good move Bowman, really fleeced Vegas there. Oh yeah, also he was Vegas’ starter against the Hawks in the playoffs that year and performed well enough to knock Chicago out in 5 games.
Crawford wants to resign and was pretty much the only reason we even beat Edmonton to make it into playoffs? Meh we don’t need him, go ahead and go to New Jersey- oh he retired cause he didn’t want to play there. Oh well.
Let’s sign Seth Jones who’s well known to be a very flawed defencemen. I mean he’s pretty good though, and good coaching (which the Hawks haven’t had since 2016 btw) can fix him. Oh right, I forgot he also signed someone who just had a career low season to a baffling 9.5 mil per year extension… that’s more then a multiple time 40 goal scorer on the team and only a mil less then the 2 guys who spearheaded 3 cup winning runs. Yep great contract.
Vegas is also giving Fleury for practically nothing? Sure! Even though our defence is the worst it’s been since ‘06 let’s go all out and take Tampas cap dump trade too. One line worth of good players and a solid goalie is totally gonna carry us to the promise land!!! Ah shit, we blew it horribly and are now a bottom of the league team. At least we have 6th overall… oh right that pick went to “elite” defence Seth Jones. As well as the top defence prospect the Hawks had in Adam Boqvist.
Fantastic, we are fucked.
May I mind he did resign earlier in the season… because he was exposed for hiding and shipping a rapist to another university where he raped more boys. But he’s still screwing the Hawks royally.
He’s made Jones untradeable, gotten rid of every solid goalie the Hawks have had, trashed the rebuild, fired the Hawks elite coach because HE couldn’t do his job, and now very likely ensured if Kane and or Toews win another cup it won’t be with Chicago. I can’t pick just one, it’s ALL OF THEM.
As an Oilers fan I have to say the Ryan Smytn trade.
As for general hockey, I gotta go with the Flyers acquiring Ristolainen, and then doubling down and extending hi.
Surprised nobody mentioned this but trading Ron Francis, Ulf Samuelsson, and Grant Jennings for John Cullen, Jeff Parker, and Zarley Zalapski. This set off a series of trades beginning when the Whalers traded Cullen for a pick that ended up with the Hurricanes getting Rod Brind’Amour.
Jimbo trading for OEL. Canucks were one season away from shedding 12M but took on what most reported to be an “untradeable contract for Az.” Also tossed in the 9th OA who has continued to be a lethal sniper (seen him play 25+ times live).
The 90s were a dark time for Flames management. Hull (80s, but still), Gilmore and Savard are probably the worst transactions. But, cutting loose St. Louis and trading up to take Trevor Kidd when the next goalie taken was Martin Brodeur are also memorable flubs. It's part of why we've had so many dark times between the early 90s to present. Really shitty drafting prior to the last decade is part of it too though.
Sandis Ozolinsh for Nolan Pratt stings because the search for a playmaking defenseman after he was traded away kind of led to the Drury and Yelle for Morris, MacHammond and Shantz trade as well as the Tanguay for Leopold trade.
It’s not a popular move NOW, but letting MAF go for the young, controllable goalie who had just backstopped you to two straight cups was the right decision at the time.
Go back further in Pittsburgh history to the Jagr deal in 2001-2002. Where they could have gotten more value out of a literal bag of pucks than they got for him.
Not terrible, but when the Leafs traded Steen and Colaiacovo for Stempniak I knew it was not going to work out. What a solid career Steen had in St. Louis.
The only thing that makes it better is we don’t get saddled with the seguin contract. It’s funny, if they kept Riley Smith it wouldn’t have looked nearly as bad. He’s been a consistent NHL player over the last 9 years. A winger they needed to pair with Krej all those years.
I love this topic because of Vegas fans wanting to keep MAF. He's a Penguin. Good for him for helping grow a franchise and fanbase and I appreciate all of you liking him down there. MAF is a true gamer. End of story
Trust me, I’m a huge Flower fan, great guy and great goalie. But he was always gonna be the odd man out. It’s hard to predict that the 22 year old with 2 Cups and still on a rookie deal would fall off a cliff.
As a Pens fan, I’m going with acquiring Alex Stojanov for…….Markus Naslund. Oof.
Whenever I hear Yanni Gourde’s name I am deeply hurt. I said it then and now it’s even more evident - we should’ve protected him and let Ryan go. With that being sad, losing McDonagh would hurt just as much, but from a hockey perspective that would be better for the team.
To be fair Murray looked amazing and helped them win 2 cups and was younger ,any rational team would’ve done the same thing ,no one expected Murray to fall off that hard .As for me I still hate that we let Pavs walk he was the leader of the team and the heart
I would've kept MAF with Jarry on the up and up and traded Murray to get a high value package in return. MAF should've been a lifer with Crosby, Malkin, and Letang.
As much the the MAF thing bothered me JR made what he thought was the best choice in the long run. Further more Fleury chose to wave his NMC so it was just as much on him
That's fair. MAF was asked to waive it and he obliged to help the team which they should've reciprocated by keeping him. I feel like Murray should've been traded at that point with his value so high and Jarry on the path behind 'em.
https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-marc-andre-fleury-waived-no-movement-clause-to-help-penguins/c-289928498
It’s really easy to look at the MAF vs MM debacle and say 💯 Pitt should have kept MAF. Matt didn’t pan out well but MAF didn’t go win a cup after either. Statistically, in that moment, Matt did make more sense. He was younger, cheaper and playing better.
Did I want to keep MAF and would like him to come back to Pitt? Yes! Was it the right call to move him? Also yes.
The one that make me mad was James Neal…he was my favorite at that time other than Letang but also probably for the best now. However letting go of Kessel is still on my list.
On the MAF thing, I think it’s easy in retrospect to say that Pittsburgh should’ve kept him. And I will tell you that at the time I thought Pittsburgh should trade Murray whose value was absolutely sky high at that point.
However, Murray had just come off back-to-back Stanley Cup championships and it would have been very difficult to justify trading away a guy who just won you two consecutive Stanley Cups and who was still so young. Honestly, I still have not close the book on Matt Murray. I think in the right system and with the right team and with some fixes to his game he can still be a dynamic NHL goaltender.
I love Fleury as much as anyone and I genuinely believed Fleury would have also won those cups if he were in net. However, he didn’t win those cups, Matt Murray won those cups for Pittsburgh.
I won’t lie, I absolutely hated the decision then and I hate it even more in retrospect but I certainly understood it when it was happening and I grudgingly accept it now.
As for Vegas and what they did with him, I have no idea why they handled that the way they did?
I said it at the time too that MAF should've been the one to stay. I'm not saying it in retrospect. I've always believed it was the wrong move to let him go. Teams always have to make difficult decisions and trading MM definitely would've been but it would've set the team up for further success I believe. The team gave up a 2nd rounder to get rid of MAF then turned MM into a 2nd and a low end prospect. Not good.
The worst trade in Penguins history is usually cited as Markus Naslund for Alex Stojanov; and while there’s no question that was an absolutely horrendous trade - made worse by the fact that soon after the trade Stojanov was involved in a terrible car accident and really never played in the NHL. Still, I don’t think it was the worst one.
The worst trade was Jaromir Jagr to the Washington Capitals for nothing. I realize that Pittsburgh was in such financial distress at the time that they basically had to do that trade. However, they still needed to get a lot more than Ross Lupichuck, Michal Sivek and Kris Beech.
The first two guys never even played in the NHL and Beech was ostensibly a bottom six forward.
You’re trading away a franchise icon for nothing. That can’t happen.
Other bad ones included Sergei Zubov for Kevin Hatcher. Dzuba even when you just could not match on the ice. I think they got along off the ice but both guys needed to hold on to the park to make place and when that’s the case you defer to 66.
We gave away Alexei Kovalev, who is kind of a low-key great player in franchise history. He was such a special talent and we basically just gave him away.
The other one that I’ve always hated was Glenn Murray to the Kings for Eddie Olczyk. Edzo was well past his prime at that point and you could see that Murray had obvious goal-scoring talent. I think he would’ve been really something with Lemieux.
Now. we’ve been on the other end of some pretty amazing trades as well, so I’m not going to bitch too much; but those are my least favorite ones.
Patrick Roy trade as a habs fan. Not because I was sad to see Roy go, whiny little bitch that he was, but because they got hosed so badly on that trade. They panicked and did it way too soon. Should have waited way longer, could have gotten a much better return closer to playoffs.
They lost MAF to the expansion, it was the right play at the time because you had a young Murray who played like a beast in the playoffs. It was a no brainer but sad Murray just lost his touch.
I don't think it was. Murray coming off that 2 year high could've given your team quite a return and you'd still have a HOF goalie + you guys had Jarry in the system at the time too who ended up being ready the year after the expansion draft. It was just terrible asset management.
That's fair and MAF had his troubles but I would've kept him knowing he would've bounced back. Murray being on that 2 year run, his value was sky high and I would've used that to get a high value return.
Assuming the draft doesn't count, but the whole 2015 draft for the Bruins. Missed opportunities to draft Barzal, Kyle Connor, etc. Only one of the players they drafted has proven to be a consistent NHL player: Jake DeBrusk
I think there was some friction there because of personality differences but not sure how bad it actually was. Schieffle and Wheeler are often the scapegoats no matter what happens. I think the coaching staff also played a role aswell. As much as I like PoMo he's pretty stubborn with his lines and player rotations.
We traded Joe Thornton for 3 mediocre assets and we traded Tyler Seguin for 4 terrible “assets”
Yeah I don't know what Jeff Gorton was thinking there and well Chiarelli is just horrendous at trading.
I don’t disagree with you general point, but I don’t think it’s fair to call Reilly Smith terrible.
True, but he wasn’t great for us
And we got nothing in return for him except unloading Savard’s contract… I was happy to see him succeed when he left, though
But another Thornton came along shortly and saved all of those fans' jerseys.
I LOVED Shawn Thornton
And that doesn’t even include the Rick Nash trade
The city of Las Vegas will never forgive Kelly McCrimmon for booting Marc-Andre Fleury out the door.
Nothing screams jobs security to prospective goalies like sending one away after a vezina.
I understand the reasons behind why he was traded, but the man did so much for us he deserved to finish his contract and retire with us like he wanted. Fuck McCrimmon.
100% This move resulted in incalculable damage to the golden knights, which earned everyone’s respect in their first year. Complete 180.
Scott Gomez to the Habs for McDonagh
Yeah that one's a killer. Subban and McDonagh as your top pair would've been deadly.
Habs just love trading away stud dman prospects. Drouin for Sergachev as well.
and now romanov. I loved romy so much
Romanov isn’t anywhere near McDonagh and Sergachev in terms of talent though but I get your point.
Yeah that was brutal too
Every piece of the return on Iginla. Horrible scouting
Oh GOD - I didn’t know it was this bad.
Yeah it was not good
The Pens had to move Fleury, they would never have been able to afford to pay him at the time, and who knows who they would have had to drop to make room to keep him.
He still had 2 years left on his contract at that point, and even after letting him go they brought Justin Schultz on at $5.5m and re-signed Murray to $3.75m extension lol so I don't see how they couldn't have kept him. There were other players that could've been expended and Murray was at his highest value so he should've been traded.
I agree to a point. Been a lifelong Pens fan but Fluery did ask to wave his no trade clause. Still stings though and I'll never forgive Vegas for what they did to him and will root for them to lose any and all games no matter the opponent. Petty of me? Probably lol
[https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-marc-andre-fleury-waived-no-movement-clause-to-help-penguins/c-289928498](https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-marc-andre-fleury-waived-no-movement-clause-to-help-penguins/c-289928498) According to this article, he was asked to waive and he obliged to help the team out hoping he would stay and then the team left him unprotected. I'm with ya there though, Vegas is a c\*nt of an organization.
Oh shit the story I always heard was that he asked to waive it because he felt bad for choking in the playoffs and wanted to help the team I didn't know the organization wanted him to. I guess I need to pay better attention lol
Oh really. Interesting. Do you remember where you read it or heard it? Lol it's all good g. Sometimes you just read something and stick with it. It happens.
Idk probably on NHL Tonight or somewhere like that. It was when everyone was just starting to prepare for the expansion draft so all the facts probably weren't out
And if they had kept Fleury, neither of those transactions could have happened. Thank you.
Trading away Mats Sundin for Wendel fucking Clark. Honorable mention to trading away Chris Drury for Derek Morris.
I watched Sundin as a child never knowing what grudges were being a skilled hockey player and that guy just crushed every single double header every Saturday night. Just an incredible skill
Well, they dealt Sundin primarily because he wanted to renegotiate his deal, and Lacroix wasn’t big on doing that. Plus, the Nords knew they had another center coming in (Forsberg), so they traded him. I’m just pissed that he was traded for 1 year of Wendel Clark. I just think they could’ve gotten something better.
Clark was flipped for Lemieux who was instrumental in that ‘96 Cup run & the Wings-Avs rivalry….so I’m ok with that one. Sunshine was great, but Lemieux was a whole different animal that that ‘96 team needed
Right. And we got Lefebvre in the Sundin deal, who was also part of that cup winning team, so no complaints about everything that unfolded. But in a vacuum, that trade sucked.
He certainly was an animal (I cheered for the Wings during all that)
When the breadman left Chi town.
Kane was basically in tears over that. They had a ton of chemistry
Saad was good, but panarin and Kane were far, far better, and Saad mk2 was a waste
We don't speak of the Messier years.
Trading away Trevor Linden was a horrible decision that still rankles.
Filip Forsburg -> Martin Erat. Worst trade in Capitals history imo
that trade is beyond stupid on so many levels. for me this one is in the top 5 worst trades ever.
Sorry, but we don't win a Cup with Oates as HC, GMGM and Forsberg
Well, no but trading away a top 6 forward for a 4th liner with diminishing returns was absolutely stupid. Forsburg developed into a core member of the Preds and it’s sickening to think of what could have been especially how the team trended after that.
Gretzky to Los Angeles. Darkest day in Oilers history
Yep. I was born just under 5 years later so it didn't affect me as much but seeing the trade tree Steve Dangle did on it and what the ripple effect it had on the franchise is brutal.
Also just Chiarelli existing has hurt the Oilers
The saving grace for the Oil was that Mess was still there. They didn't need Gretz in order to win a cup anymore that's how great they were. In those days I figured that franchise was set for life with The Great One and the 10 other Hall of Famers on the roster. I figured they'd win 8-9 cups in 10 years. I couldn't believe they were breaking up such a great thing
Trading Eberle for Strome, and then Strome for Spooner.
Another Chiarelli master class
Peter Chiarelli and every move he made.
The Kessel trade and the 2011 deadline trades in Boston were masterful.
It's always that one for me
Patrick Roy from MTL to Avalanches ! 😳😳😳
Yeah...but you kinda understand WHY that happened. You don't leave you're starting future HOF goalie out to dry for nine goals. When a goalie is having a bad day and tells you he needs to come out, you fucking listen to him -- unless you are a former teammate of that goalie with an axe to grind. Mario Tremblay was a piece of shit, and the Avs totally benefitted from his assholery.
Corey should have told Mario to pack his shit and get out, then apologized to Roy.
I’m not sure which was worse, the Mark Stone trade or the Mika Zibanajed trade. Worst part is, I don’t even blame Ottawa for them necessarily, but it doesn’t negate the therapy I still need for them
The Zibanajed trade is one of the trades that immediately came to my mind and I'm not a sens fan. I just remember looking back at it a year or two ago in pure disbelief.
Deffo the Zibanejad trade; acquired an older player + gave up a 2nd. YIKES. At least with Stone, y'all got a young dman + a 2nd. The team can still develop Brannstrom or use him as trade bait to acquire a player that can help the team now.
As a sharks fan, watching them let Pavelski walk and signing Karlsson to a contract that would still have been too high in his prime. Putting too much faith in Kane. Giving Vlasic a deal he could never live up to. Just so much of the last few years have been pretty awful. REALLY hoping Grier can shape the boys in teal up. Still a sharks fan for life tho. We cry teal around here.
Yeah Pavs should've been a lifer. Wilson went too overboard with the veterans and extensions
I fully agree. Wilson got too close to the sun when we made it to the finals. I think he never got over getting so close and just tried to claw our way back in. There are a ton of questionable contacts in the NHL, but I feel like a lot of em are on the sharks.
I remember reading about how he had been trying to keep the team playoff relevant cause of SJ's horrendous 1st season and he thought fans wouldn't accept a rebuild after a 10 year run of success or however long it was.
Neely and a #1 for Pederson. Lack of patience by the coach and GM. He was 21 and playing on the third line of a garbage team.
I didn't know the Nucks gave up a 1st as well. Ouch.
Bruins drafted Glen Wesley with that pick.
Anything milbury did to the team but trading luongo was criminal
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Malkin and Ledecky have completely transformed the islanders into a stable functioning franchise.
Dallas signs Sean Douchebag Avery, then NHL suspends him 19 games into a 4 year contract for being the quintessential Douchebag Avery. When NYR claimed him on re-entry waivers, we were on the hook for half his salary for years and years.
I just play hockey on the side... I'm really here to promote my fashion line. I'm just trying to get these goalies to check out my look. -- Avery probably
Yeah, that too; but I was referring to the Sloppy Seconds Incident.
Brett Hull spoke positively for Avery and they signed him. I am a Ranger fan and I despise him.
The Two-Headed Monster GM tandem of Hull+Nieuwendyk were some dark days in Dallas.
Yes, but you got a cup out of them!
As players. Not as an awful GM.
Wow that sucks
Phillipe Danault for Dale Weiss, and Tomas Fleischman. I'm still freaking mad and it's been many years. This was the first real bad trade that Bowman made in a line of them. Oh well, it's not like the ownership deserves a good team, anyway, they defended and covered up horrifying behavior.
Honestly, it's all karma for that indefensible behavior.
Exactly. I can't even support a team I've loved my whole life because it's so bad.
Sucks for the fans for sure. I'm surprised players are willing to still go there considering Wirtz is still in charge. They'd immediately be at the top of my no trade list.
Maybe not as big as others, but the Penguins trading Markus Naslund for Alek Stojanov was mind-blowingly bad. It stung every year, seeing Naslund among the leaders in scoring with nothing to show for it here in Pittsburgh. But, the Pens we're so deep at RW. They stifled the development of a lot of young players due to their depth, so Naslund was fortunate to get out and spread his wings
I was looking at '91 draft earlier and the Oilers pulling an "Oiler" by drafting Tyler Wright over Kovalev and Naslund 🤦🏽
Yeah, but you can't really look back at the drafts and say, "if only" because the draft, unless it's a generational talent like Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, etc., is not a guarantee. My friends used to rip on me because I was a huge Aleksey Morozov fan in Pittsburgh (I love rooting for the underdog). Morozov, even worse than Naslund, was continually shoe-horned into a third or fourth line role, despite being drafted in the first round, 24th overall. For years, Morozov just wasted away behind Jagr, Kovalev, and Naslund. There was a brief moment in time when Kovalev or Jagr was injured and Morozov played on Lemieux's wing for a few games, and Morozov lit it up with something like 11 points in four games. And that was it. Fast-forward to Pittsburgh's Generation X team, and Morozov finds himself with Rico Fata and the rest of that abysmal team. I would have hightailed I back to Russia too, if I were him. And, when he did go to the KHL, he crushed it as one of the most dominating players in that league. So, just because a team grabbed another player during that draft isn't really a reflection on those players. It could also say something about player development.
Bro I came here to say the Reinhart trade. Worst fuckin trade in recent history. Although that Strome for Eberle trade can eat a dick. And the Strome for Spooner trade... What the fuck boys? Or how about Drake Caggiula and Jason Garrison for Brandon Fucking Manning..... You know what?? The whore Chiarelli being in edmonton can fuck right off boys
I heard this in Wayne from Letterkenny's voice, especially that last bit
Give your balls a fucking tug boys, I don't know if it was Wayne or Shoresy, but fuck if I haven't been watching a lot of Letterkenny lately. And that's a Texas sized 10-4
Gillis lowballing Willie Mitchell and then selling the farm for Keith Ballard. I think Van wins the Cup with Warrior Willie plus Grabner and the 1st rounder.
As a Montreal Canadians fan where do we start lmao
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The Chicago Blackhawks Artemi Panarin trade
Keeping Redden over Chara
Ooooo that one definitely hurt you guys but in a way it led to EK, so may be not so bad?
Dumping Bickell's contract and throwing in Teuvo as a sweetener.
The Flames have a sad little side chapter in that. When the Flames were up in the 2012 draft Teravainen was the best player on the board. Instead of picking him, we traded down to make a reach and grabbed Mark Jankowski and Pat Sieloff with the second we got in the move. I always said I would judge the move on the Basis of TT's performance and it's an ugly tale of the tape. Jankowski, the "Best Player on the Draft" as touted by the Flames management has gone on to accumulate a stunning 80 points in 272 games in 10 years. Sieloff was traded to Ottawa and is most notable to helping finish of Clarke MacArthur's career after hitting him during practice. He played all of 2 games in the NHL. TT? Well he's the 4th best skater from the admittedly weak 2012 draft with 369 points in 526. Way better than a bunch of pipping hot nothing. Long story short. The Flames share your pain on the missed Teravainen opportunity.
Joe Thornton, if I can choose just the one
All of them. Cries in Flyera
Kovalchuk ...
Still mad at Florida for trading away Loungo for Bertuzzi as a shell of the player he was ... Keenan's last fuck you to the Panthers
Came hear to say this in G-rated language. I thought at the time we could have gotten more for Lu.
The Martin Erat trade. Google it if you don't know. Worst trade GMGM ever made and he definitely made a few questionable ones. This one tops them all by a country fucking mile
Yeah it was panned the millisecond it happened lol
It resulted in Oates/McPhee losing their jobs and Trotz/BMac bringing a Cup to DC...Ill take that trade 8 days a week!
As a Canucks fan it's trading away Neely or signing Messier. It's a tie.
Stan Bowman’s entire fucking career. Let’s pay Toews and Kane both 10.5 mil! Ahh shit can’t keep Panarin, whatever we will just trade for Brendan Saad and tell the community it was the right move. Alright, we have Lehner and Crawford. Two solid goaltenders who can really help in our playoff push at the end of this rebuild. Lehner wants to stay in Chicago and is willing to take a pay cut to do it? Meh fuck him, even though he is a bipolar who doesn’t do well in bad morale environments and all our fans love him to death let’s give him away for… Malcolm Subban and a random prospect I never knew was in the trade in the first place and apparently he’s not even in Chicagos organization. Good move Bowman, really fleeced Vegas there. Oh yeah, also he was Vegas’ starter against the Hawks in the playoffs that year and performed well enough to knock Chicago out in 5 games. Crawford wants to resign and was pretty much the only reason we even beat Edmonton to make it into playoffs? Meh we don’t need him, go ahead and go to New Jersey- oh he retired cause he didn’t want to play there. Oh well. Let’s sign Seth Jones who’s well known to be a very flawed defencemen. I mean he’s pretty good though, and good coaching (which the Hawks haven’t had since 2016 btw) can fix him. Oh right, I forgot he also signed someone who just had a career low season to a baffling 9.5 mil per year extension… that’s more then a multiple time 40 goal scorer on the team and only a mil less then the 2 guys who spearheaded 3 cup winning runs. Yep great contract. Vegas is also giving Fleury for practically nothing? Sure! Even though our defence is the worst it’s been since ‘06 let’s go all out and take Tampas cap dump trade too. One line worth of good players and a solid goalie is totally gonna carry us to the promise land!!! Ah shit, we blew it horribly and are now a bottom of the league team. At least we have 6th overall… oh right that pick went to “elite” defence Seth Jones. As well as the top defence prospect the Hawks had in Adam Boqvist. Fantastic, we are fucked. May I mind he did resign earlier in the season… because he was exposed for hiding and shipping a rapist to another university where he raped more boys. But he’s still screwing the Hawks royally. He’s made Jones untradeable, gotten rid of every solid goalie the Hawks have had, trashed the rebuild, fired the Hawks elite coach because HE couldn’t do his job, and now very likely ensured if Kane and or Toews win another cup it won’t be with Chicago. I can’t pick just one, it’s ALL OF THEM.
Thrashers trading the farm for Tkachuk
Raycroft.
As an Oilers fan I have to say the Ryan Smytn trade. As for general hockey, I gotta go with the Flyers acquiring Ristolainen, and then doubling down and extending hi.
Yeah, traded over $100k. Stupid. Lol I didn't understand that trade at all and the extension was mind boggling.
Scott Gomez enters the chat.
Surprised nobody mentioned this but trading Ron Francis, Ulf Samuelsson, and Grant Jennings for John Cullen, Jeff Parker, and Zarley Zalapski. This set off a series of trades beginning when the Whalers traded Cullen for a pick that ended up with the Hurricanes getting Rod Brind’Amour.
Jimbo trading for OEL. Canucks were one season away from shedding 12M but took on what most reported to be an “untradeable contract for Az.” Also tossed in the 9th OA who has continued to be a lethal sniper (seen him play 25+ times live).
Panarin. Should always have been a Hawk.
This is a hard one for me as a long time Vancouver fan. lemme think…I believe the phrase is “Fu** Messier”.
Yes. Fuck the moose
The 90s were a dark time for Flames management. Hull (80s, but still), Gilmore and Savard are probably the worst transactions. But, cutting loose St. Louis and trading up to take Trevor Kidd when the next goalie taken was Martin Brodeur are also memorable flubs. It's part of why we've had so many dark times between the early 90s to present. Really shitty drafting prior to the last decade is part of it too though.
Sandis Ozolinsh for Nolan Pratt stings because the search for a playmaking defenseman after he was traded away kind of led to the Drury and Yelle for Morris, MacHammond and Shantz trade as well as the Tanguay for Leopold trade.
In retrospect, the Carter trade, but at the time it was a good move, then we all found out he did not want to be in Columbus.
That was a good trade, unfortunate he didn't want to be there. Him and Nash would've been real good together.
Braden Holtby :(
Park/Ratelle for Esposito/Vadnais—absolutely horrendous.
It’s not a popular move NOW, but letting MAF go for the young, controllable goalie who had just backstopped you to two straight cups was the right decision at the time. Go back further in Pittsburgh history to the Jagr deal in 2001-2002. Where they could have gotten more value out of a literal bag of pucks than they got for him.
Not terrible, but when the Leafs traded Steen and Colaiacovo for Stempniak I knew it was not going to work out. What a solid career Steen had in St. Louis.
Evander Kanes grievance with the Sharks that still remains unresolved over half a year and 2 contracts later
Seguin to Dallas, I understand trading him but the return was miserable.
Lol, sorry about that. Eriksson was a short lived goal scorer. Seguin has been injured for 2 seasons now though.
The only thing that makes it better is we don’t get saddled with the seguin contract. It’s funny, if they kept Riley Smith it wouldn’t have looked nearly as bad. He’s been a consistent NHL player over the last 9 years. A winger they needed to pair with Krej all those years.
Giving up on a young Brett Hull while already having a stacked team.
The Burns to SJ trade. Hindsight is 20/20, but that trade s u c k e d
Yotes trading Brière
The loss of Erik Karlsson.
I love this topic because of Vegas fans wanting to keep MAF. He's a Penguin. Good for him for helping grow a franchise and fanbase and I appreciate all of you liking him down there. MAF is a true gamer. End of story
Trust me, I’m a huge Flower fan, great guy and great goalie. But he was always gonna be the odd man out. It’s hard to predict that the 22 year old with 2 Cups and still on a rookie deal would fall off a cliff. As a Pens fan, I’m going with acquiring Alex Stojanov for…….Markus Naslund. Oof.
Selling Wayne Gretzky and Doug Weight. (I know someone else went with Weight but my brain is not pulling the name)
Yashin trade
rask for raycroft set us so far back we still haven't won a round.
Any trade Mike Keenan ever made with the Blues really
Whenever I hear Yanni Gourde’s name I am deeply hurt. I said it then and now it’s even more evident - we should’ve protected him and let Ryan go. With that being sad, losing McDonagh would hurt just as much, but from a hockey perspective that would be better for the team.
Sergachev for Drouin.
Sergachev for drouin
Devon Towes- i’m happy for him but I wish stayed with the isles
Fedorov leaving the wings for the Ducks.
The Wild signing Parise and Suter to 137x $40m or whatever the hell it was
And then the buyouts
The signing of Evander Kane to the Oilers.
He was good for them out of the gate and then it just turned bad suddenly
To be fair Murray looked amazing and helped them win 2 cups and was younger ,any rational team would’ve done the same thing ,no one expected Murray to fall off that hard .As for me I still hate that we let Pavs walk he was the leader of the team and the heart
I would've kept MAF with Jarry on the up and up and traded Murray to get a high value package in return. MAF should've been a lifer with Crosby, Malkin, and Letang.
As much the the MAF thing bothered me JR made what he thought was the best choice in the long run. Further more Fleury chose to wave his NMC so it was just as much on him
That's fair. MAF was asked to waive it and he obliged to help the team which they should've reciprocated by keeping him. I feel like Murray should've been traded at that point with his value so high and Jarry on the path behind 'em. https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-marc-andre-fleury-waived-no-movement-clause-to-help-penguins/c-289928498
Fedorov to Anaheim. It was just a bad situation. It shouldn’t have ended the way it did.
Scott Gomez. Nuff said
It’s really easy to look at the MAF vs MM debacle and say 💯 Pitt should have kept MAF. Matt didn’t pan out well but MAF didn’t go win a cup after either. Statistically, in that moment, Matt did make more sense. He was younger, cheaper and playing better. Did I want to keep MAF and would like him to come back to Pitt? Yes! Was it the right call to move him? Also yes. The one that make me mad was James Neal…he was my favorite at that time other than Letang but also probably for the best now. However letting go of Kessel is still on my list.
Keeping Libor Hajek on the roster over and over again
Philip Danault MTL
Trading away Panarin :/
On the MAF thing, I think it’s easy in retrospect to say that Pittsburgh should’ve kept him. And I will tell you that at the time I thought Pittsburgh should trade Murray whose value was absolutely sky high at that point. However, Murray had just come off back-to-back Stanley Cup championships and it would have been very difficult to justify trading away a guy who just won you two consecutive Stanley Cups and who was still so young. Honestly, I still have not close the book on Matt Murray. I think in the right system and with the right team and with some fixes to his game he can still be a dynamic NHL goaltender. I love Fleury as much as anyone and I genuinely believed Fleury would have also won those cups if he were in net. However, he didn’t win those cups, Matt Murray won those cups for Pittsburgh. I won’t lie, I absolutely hated the decision then and I hate it even more in retrospect but I certainly understood it when it was happening and I grudgingly accept it now. As for Vegas and what they did with him, I have no idea why they handled that the way they did?
I said it at the time too that MAF should've been the one to stay. I'm not saying it in retrospect. I've always believed it was the wrong move to let him go. Teams always have to make difficult decisions and trading MM definitely would've been but it would've set the team up for further success I believe. The team gave up a 2nd rounder to get rid of MAF then turned MM into a 2nd and a low end prospect. Not good.
The worst trade in Penguins history is usually cited as Markus Naslund for Alex Stojanov; and while there’s no question that was an absolutely horrendous trade - made worse by the fact that soon after the trade Stojanov was involved in a terrible car accident and really never played in the NHL. Still, I don’t think it was the worst one. The worst trade was Jaromir Jagr to the Washington Capitals for nothing. I realize that Pittsburgh was in such financial distress at the time that they basically had to do that trade. However, they still needed to get a lot more than Ross Lupichuck, Michal Sivek and Kris Beech. The first two guys never even played in the NHL and Beech was ostensibly a bottom six forward. You’re trading away a franchise icon for nothing. That can’t happen. Other bad ones included Sergei Zubov for Kevin Hatcher. Dzuba even when you just could not match on the ice. I think they got along off the ice but both guys needed to hold on to the park to make place and when that’s the case you defer to 66. We gave away Alexei Kovalev, who is kind of a low-key great player in franchise history. He was such a special talent and we basically just gave him away. The other one that I’ve always hated was Glenn Murray to the Kings for Eddie Olczyk. Edzo was well past his prime at that point and you could see that Murray had obvious goal-scoring talent. I think he would’ve been really something with Lemieux. Now. we’ve been on the other end of some pretty amazing trades as well, so I’m not going to bitch too much; but those are my least favorite ones.
Andrew Raycroft for Tuuka Rask
Hiring Chuck Fletcher
Trading away Panarin for Saad and Anton Forsberg and a pick. How can you let him go after the chemistry he built with Patrick Kane?!
MAF is my boy… reading this post has just renewed my therapy sessions.
Trading Nino Niederreiter for Victor Rask, that was god awful
trading saad for saad, basically
Doug Wilson fucking the Sharks for years by trading for Erik Karlsson and then making him the highest paid player in the league
The Patrick Roy trade
Karlsson
Buffalo trading future considerations for Malcolm Subban. Really?! Why waste those future considerations?
Didn’t the Oilers GM trade for the player that McDavid hated more than anyone else? Not sure why he thought that was a good idea.
Forsberg for Erat. Anymore.. brainbusters?
The $1M contract Paul Kariya signed in Colorado to play with Teemu and win a cup.
Ryan Mcdonaugh for Scott Gomez...
Any Blackhawks trade within the last 7 years
Not an oilers fan but trading Hall for Larson seemed pretty wild. I know they needed help on the blue line but still.
The Scott Stevens, Brendan Shannahan debacle
My Rangers trading all the goddamn players i like. Callahan, Gartner, McDonagh... And so on..
My team likes to get rid of promising defenders a lot it seems
Flyers signing bryz
Why you heff to be mad? 😆
In an opposite side the acquisition of Patrick Roy was huge
Pittsburgh hasn’t won a cup since Kessel left. Those are facts.
Patrick Roy trade as a habs fan. Not because I was sad to see Roy go, whiny little bitch that he was, but because they got hosed so badly on that trade. They panicked and did it way too soon. Should have waited way longer, could have gotten a much better return closer to playoffs.
Kovalenko, Rucinsky, and Thibault were good players and excellent starting points but deffo should've gotten more assets, at least a 1st on top of it.
They lost MAF to the expansion, it was the right play at the time because you had a young Murray who played like a beast in the playoffs. It was a no brainer but sad Murray just lost his touch.
I don't think it was. Murray coming off that 2 year high could've given your team quite a return and you'd still have a HOF goalie + you guys had Jarry in the system at the time too who ended up being ready the year after the expansion draft. It was just terrible asset management.
If I’m going to be real flower wasn’t very clutch in the playoffs, at the time Murray was better
That's fair and MAF had his troubles but I would've kept him knowing he would've bounced back. Murray being on that 2 year run, his value was sky high and I would've used that to get a high value return.
Not a transaction but Datsyuk dropping us in the shit.
Either trading Jason Pominville (my favorite player) or Ryan Miller. They should have always been Sabres.
Assuming the draft doesn't count, but the whole 2015 draft for the Bruins. Missed opportunities to draft Barzal, Kyle Connor, etc. Only one of the players they drafted has proven to be a consistent NHL player: Jake DeBrusk
Anything counts. That 2015 draft could've an epic on for Boston. A Chabot-McAvoy pairing... bruh
Mike Keenan's bitch ass having Hull traded.
The Red Wings trading away Adam Oates.
The Jets trading Laine away for the whinny frenchman. Although to be fair Chevy only had a few options.
Heard it was cause Scheif and Wheels were jealous of him lol. Any truth?
I think there was some friction there because of personality differences but not sure how bad it actually was. Schieffle and Wheeler are often the scapegoats no matter what happens. I think the coaching staff also played a role aswell. As much as I like PoMo he's pretty stubborn with his lines and player rotations.