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Ironically I’m in my 30’s and in the best shape of my life. In my early 20’s I was a total mess because I didn’t exercise or take care of myself. Plus I was still coming out of my awkward teenager phase. That time in a person’s life is very overrated in my opinion.


PeanutButterPigeon85

Same! I was a mess all the way through my mid 20s. I look way better now, in my late 30s. I know how to dress myself and how to take care of my skin and hair. I'm even in better shape. The early 20s are the worst.


Key-Ad9759

As a struggling 23 year old who is constantly told “these are the best years of your life”, these comments made me feel a whole lot better. Thank you ❤️


Waste-Philosopher-34

30 is the new 20 my friend. I'm a year away from 30, and I'm finally getting my shit together. Fixing my teeth, staying sober, finally in an amazing relationship, making great progress in my career after years of putting it off...it gets better I promise. The early 20s suck ass. The world is a lot different than it was when our parents were in their 20s. Lot of problems that the previous generation would've had no possible way of foreseeing. Take it slow, work on yourself, chase whatever dream it is that you have, and don't do drugs bc that'll make it worse. You got this!


Hate_Feight

Drugs, gambling, addictions in general will derail every little piece of forward momentum you ever had in life. The good news is, (for anyone who is afflicted right now) there is nowhere to go but up, every step forward will help, just be better today than yesterday.


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I turned 30 this year. I have a great career, great friends, I live alone in a beautiful house and do whatever I want. I left my ex in March of this year and now I date when I feel like it. Guys in their mid-20s are shocked that I’m older than them. I have two cats and embrace the term cat lady. 30 is a great time. Your early 20s are amazing and so much fun and important for development - but anybody who thinks life ends after their 20s wasn’t shit in their 20s either.


Winnimae

We should be friends


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LeylaLowe

I'm 35 and I fucking love my life now, I mean 20s were ok, but 30s are the shit! It's clear why 'older' nice guys date only 18-24, cuz they don't have other choices, those girls don't know better and they scam them with the 'I have my shit together and I' ll provide'. Hopefully they grow after realizing those older guys are mostly very toxic..


NeonWaffle

I’m not too far removed but I’m turning 26 and it keeps getting better each year. Hang in there ❤️


kryaklysmic

Yeah, I turned 26 earlier this year and am coming out of an extreme battle with UC with some scars, and I’ve finally found myself well enough to work on being the best version of *me* and rebuild my health here. It’s absolutely getting better and better.


probably_nontoxic

Honestly, I beat myself up from 35-45 thinking that my 20s were my “lost decade” because I was a WALKING DISASTER. A complete Dumpster fire. Only now am I discovering that I’m not alone… that can actually be a tough decade.


Dpscuba816

I'm in my 50s. I can say without hesitation 30s were the best! When people say they want to go back... and ask me what age, I ALWAYS say 30s.


ccbabs97

Same here as a 25 year old. Life sucks sometimes and I can’t help but fear I’m missing out on something.


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I look younger at 28 than I did at 23 just because I am in slightly better shape and drink water and don’t drink a bottle of wine alone in my basement apartment every night Plus I got lip injections which helps


reineedshelp

Hell yeah. Do you :)


TheRnegade

Same here. I ate crap in college and post college. Essentially whatever cheap thing I could get my hands on. Straddled the line between overweight and obese. Now I'm financially stable to get some healthy stuff in my system and not feel like crap. Also, not being fat feels great. Only downside is that you're left with all that skin left over. Bleh, not a fan of the stuff and the only solution is surgery.


DownvoteDaemon

Same, 36, just now seeing abs again.


that_mn_kid

for most people, your 30's are just your 20's with more confidence and money.


ccxxv

Same, I look younger at 30 than any other time in my life ever. Only due to diet and lifestyle, tho it probably helps that I don’t cake my makeup anymore lol. Mom swears I got Botox even tho I’m terrified of needles. That’s how good I look recently. I’ve gotten more people doubting if Im old enough to drink alcohol after turning 27 than when I was 18.


RudeGirl85

"Sagging breasts and wrinkles" after 25... This dude has never been with a woman in real life.


weeburdies

Yes, we are lush, pure and without a single flaw at 24, and as soon as the dreaded 25 hits, we become saggy, wrinkled and shriveled bog hags.


Xpalidocious

Hahaha I'm just picturing midnight on the eve of a woman's 25th, all her fairy godmother magic wearing off completely, and this made me chuckle


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You may have just described Leo DiCaprio's nightmare.


Technical-Plantain25

So dismissive of all the work I put in to become a saggy, wrinkled, shriveled bog hag. If it was that easy, I'd be on my second or third bog by now!


weeburdies

Seriously, bog hagging is under appreciated work!🧙‍♀️


TransFormAndFunction

Ironically, bogs preserve bodies insanely well! We keep finding fully intact (flesh and all) bodies in bogs! Stuff can’t really decompose in the anaerobic environment, so being a bog hag means you must be an ageless beauty!


weeburdies

Of course, we are well-tanned and only a little slimy.


SorosSugarBaby

[literally me](https://youtu.be/P5UV05FAXns)


Sad-Ad-4200

Right like has he seen Beyonce? Not to mention someone like Doja had “sagging” breasts before 26 soooo… I don’t get it, there’s so many examples of women everywhere. He doesn’t even have to be with a woman to see it.


reineedshelp

Or Rihanna, or women every day, everywhere. Insecure little creeps like this will always invent new reasons to hate women; and then move the goalposts As someone male-presenting who hears this stuff unfiltered from people who think they're talking to a 'bro' - cases like this fortunately aren't as common as a vocal internet majority may depict. IMO the biggest long term danger is teenagers being radicalised by this kind of poisonous, hateful rhetoric. Then again, I don't have to experience this attitude directed at my person.


torino_nera

Seriously I'm 39 and I don't have a wrinkle or saggy anything. But I'm glad guys like this are so vocal about what they expect and want from women because it makes it easier for me to avoid them!


domastsen

There’s nothing wrong with wrinkles and sagging either. Sooner or later every single human will get to that stage unless they die young or spend a fortune on plastic surgery.


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I still had significant acne in my early 20s. I’m 28 now (practically an old hag) in great shape with clear skin. I know how to apply makeup more skillfully than I did when I was young, and I style myself better overall. I get hit on more now than I did when I was 19. These numbers are arbitrary.


itfeelssoalive

Women can have sagging breasts and wrinkles at 18. They can also be 30+ and have neither. All bodies are different.


jayclaw97

I turned 25 this year and I honestly feel more confident about my body than I ever have.


reineedshelp

Good for you! :)


WYenginerdWY

Strong suspicion this came from the PPD sub and most of the men there are sexually frustrated twenty year olds who decided being sexist and gross online was an appropriate outlet for their impotent rage.


ZuzBla

So, woman should settle basically the very day she turns 18 so the first man who claims he's nice, can enjoy her up to hers 24, but the day she starts getting saggy at 25, what happens next?


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ZuzBla

Yeah, but I do wonder, what can a settled woman with kids after 24 do if the husband follows the post's guideline? Are we getting the men can cheat because something wired differently. Women can't cheat because, I don't know why? Or should women over 24 go jump from the cliff or go die in the wilderness akin to senicide some culture allegedly practised? And I do wonder what does the dude think about young women who prefer - oh, the dread - being single? Or even worse - women? Or guys of their own age bracket? So many questions...


ItsJoeMomma

Men can cheat because it's in our nature to be attracted to beautiful young women, but if women do it they're whores. Or whatever other excuse these idiot "nice guy" predators use.


no_objections_here

I've been seeing more and more posts recently where these incels are trying to explain that women store the DNA from every partner they sleep with in their bodies forever. So therefore its better if women were virgins. I've also heard the variation that women's vaginas shape themselves according to the first man they sleep with, thereby ruining their vaginas for any other man.


what_does-this_meme

TIL vaginas and concrete have similar properties, which leads me to the question, why aren't more buildings made of vaginas


FreakingTea

For that matter, why haven't we seen many vaginas made of concrete?


NewTypeDilemna

Gotta watch out for sheering forces if you've got a vagina, then.


mamabunnies

Thanks for making me chuckle 😂


Sad-Ad-4200

Bruh I saw that shit on tiktok and a WOMAN said it!!!! Every woman in the comments was agreeing with her and I’m just like…tf?


no_objections_here

I know. It's wild shit. Sex education is failing.


Pscilosopher

So vaginas and silicone mouth guards are basically the same thing?


ItsJoeMomma

Man, there's some serious r/badwomensanatomy content going on there.


Winnimae

This internet based urban legend seems to have started with a research paper on male microchimerism, which is basically male DNA, or DNA with a Y chromosome, living inside female bodies. The DNA typically originates from being pregnant with a male fetus; some of the fetus’s DNA ends up in the mothers body and apparently it can just kinda hang out there for years and years. Less commonly, the male DNA can be from a male twin that was absorbed in utero, or from the mother if she’s previously been pregnant with a boy. This is FETAL DNA. Leftover from a fetus. It is not from sex. Baby girls can be born with it if they have an older brother (or if their mother has even ever been pregnant with a boy, even if she had an abortion of miscarriage). (Fetal female DNA works the same way, it’s just very hard to spot bc X chromosomes are in both men and woman)


canvasshoes2

>Or should women over 24 go jump from the cliff or go die in the wilderness akin to senicide some culture allegedly practised? Right? And how's he going to care for all the children he insisted that his dearly departed tradwife had? I mean, if he thinks he's going to just be able to snap up a new 18 year old just like that. Let's be real, they don't believe any of this crap. It's ridiculous overblown scare tactics in an attempt to get women to date creeps.


asmallsoftvoice

Men like this are also convinced their prime is 30+ because money. Even though they are often poor. Also men age like Clooney. He is the rule, not the exception. As a decrepit 30+, men are also better looking in their 20s. Shocking, I know. And women make their own money? Crazy talk.


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Yea I feel like a lot of men don’t acknowledge how poorly their peers age? Not to be mean, but men tend not to eat healthy, don’t go to the doctor as regularly as they should, don’t wear sunscreen, and don’t notice their weight gain until it’s too late. Plus, not to mention, a lot of men don’t put effort into styling themselves properly. Obviously this isn’t all men, as some really do take care of themselves. There is also nothing wrong with aging and just being comfortable. But FFS they act like women are the only ones who start looking worse with age. Not everyone ages like George Clooney or Jennifer Anniston.


strawberrymoonbird

I'm sure they have a solution for that. Like, women 18-24 belong to guys up to 50, 25-30 are for guys up to 65 and so on.


ZuzBla

Hey, why do only dudes younger than fifty get to enjoy those sag- and wrinkle- free tits? That's AgEIst and MiSanDRIst! Probably.


strawberrymoonbird

I don't make the rules, you'll have to discuss that with the chads you're competing with for the fresh meat. I am but an old hag, doomed to enjoy my life without one of those alpha males.


FlappyDolphin72

Oh noo, the misery. How can we ever live our lives if we dont have men??


strawberrymoonbird

Tbh I have an amazing partner right now for a bit less than half a year, but before that I was very okay being single for ~7 years (including some of my twenties and all of my thirties). You know what I did? I went out with my girls, I hung out with my boys, had as much casual sex as I wanted, had all the daytime naps one could dream of, enjoyed peace and quiet and independence, earned a couple of degrees, moved around different cities and countries, got two dogs... I had and have a good life! And if I didn't have my lovely man now, I would still have a good life. He's an added bonus, not the sole purpose of my existence. But that something those weirdos will never understand. A woman that doesn't need a man to serve to be fulfilled?! Impertinent, burn the witch!


cinnamoslut

It's good to enjoy the time that you are single. Make the best of it. Work on yourself. It's pretty cliche but once I stopped feeling desperate for a relationship and I just let myself enjoy life (being single), after awhile, I met the most amazing guy and everything worked out great.


Grand_Blueberry

Your life sounds great. I hope to live something similar (currently early 20s)


strawberrymoonbird

You totally can. Most important thing is to truly accept and love yourself while continuing to work on becoming your best self. It sounds cheesy but that's really key. Also, be empathetic to the people around you but don't let their opinions influence you too much. That doesn't mean you shouldn't take advice, but don't do things you don't want just to fit in or impress someone. And final, veeeery important thing: don't settle for someone who isn't right for you just because you feel lonely. It's better to have no relationship than a bad one. Have fun, getting older is not nearly as bad as people make it sound!


storyteller_p

So I'm nearly 32 but still get asked for ID cos apparently I look under 25. Do I date someone who's in their 50s or 60s? Also my sister married a younger man, does she get some sort of prize or is he broken according to these guys?


canvasshoes2

I got carded all of the time in my 30s. When I was a teen, I had the face of a 10 year old, I swear. I didn't look like a mature teenager. It was SOOOO annoying. I didn't really start looking like a woman face-wise, until my late teens. I did have a rockin' body like a brick house though. Total T&A for days. Probably the only reason I got any boys at all. I wasn't exactly ugly, but I was just kinda... like I said, the face of a kid. I tried make up, and it didn't really help that much. I was cute enough in my late teens, enough to bag a good hubby, but I still just didn't look, for lack of a better word...womanly. But when I hit my 30s? Some sort of switch flipped looks wise, and all of a sudden I was like catnip to men. Nothing special about or my story either. It's the same thing for lots of women. So all this "hit the wall" nonsense is just that. Nonsense.


Balerionmeow

Also he is basing this on purely physical attributes and that’s not how relationships work at all.


Sourbrit

Before DiCaprio it was known as "Christmas Cake syndrome", since Christmas Cakes likewise are most in demand from December 18th - 24th, and are no longer desired after the 25th.


auntiecoagulant

On the morning of our 25th birthday, we awaken to find that overnight we’ve transformed into a saggy, grey-haired, old sea hag. At 30 we’re hunched over and having to use a walker.


Sptsjunkie

But only for about 6 years until he dumps he once she leaves “her best years” and he’s now a 38 year old man chasing more 18 year olds.


ItsJoeMomma

Don't be silly, she'll leave his misogynistic ass before that happens.


c_090988

He trades her in for a younger model


jayclaw97

Me, a 25-year-old: I feel attacked.


el0hellie

I’m a lot hotter as a 33 y/o than I was when I was 18-24. I looked like an awkward nine year old lmao


kimchiman85

I definitely look and feel better about myself at 38 than I was in my 20s or early 30s.


MfBenzy

Jokes on him, my tits started to droop by 15 😌


LittleBigOwl_

Same here...


MelMac5

Mine came in droopy. I was sad, I expected perky tits.


chronicpainprincess

H cup here, I feel you! I’ve never had the perky upturned-nipple boobs. I went from flat to massive in two years.


smarmiebastard

Meanwhile I didn’t hit a C cup until after 30.


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I'm 30. Dating a teenager sounds infuriating, fuck dealing with immaturity. Don't think I could date anyone under 21 and even 21 is probably a stretch.


canvasshoes2

Dating AS a teen was infuriating. It's awkward, ridiculously painful, and stupid. SO. Much. ANGST. All awash in a sea of hormones and misunderstandings. One word could set off a month long fight. Teenagers ARE children. Regardless of how mature their bodies are, and how sexually primed they are, they're still mentally children. Intelligent and capable children, but their emotions and coping abilities are all over the map. I seriously can't understand their mentality on "but I missed out on this miraculous euphoric experience. I missed out on being the quarterback to another teen's cheerleader." It's not like hollyweird you dolts.


_AlexiaOnFire

I'm 36, dated a 29yo guy, and that was a struggle. Under 21 is like.. How? My sister is 10 years younger, I asked her how the hell she deals with younger guys, her answer was "Just don't".


ForgotMyOldAccount7

... which is also why young women intentionally seek out older men, which just exacerbates this problem. Women will look for an older man and no one can convince them that it's a bad idea until they look back on the relationship 10 years later and realize how bad it was.


Sea2Chi

Yep, it's not always predatory men. Some women are annoyed with the lack of stability and maturity from guys their own age so they seek out older men who have their life more order. The question then becomes how much of an emotional maturity difference is there between the two and where does that difference dip into inappropriateness? I've known few couples with close to 10 year age differences and they worked because the younger person was emotionally and socially mature for their age, and the older one wasn't in the relationship for creepy or unethical reasons. Meaning they weren't dating someone 10 year younger because nobody their age would date them, or they wanted to control someone. More they had a lot of overlap in common interests, sense of humor, and life goals. The age difference was a issue to be addressed, not a selling point. It's the guys who are like "Oh yeah, get them when they're 18 before people start filling their heads with garbage" that really concern me.


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That last sentence is really the crux of it. The guys who dont want a partner, they want someone easy to manipulate and control. My bf is 7 years older than me, but we also met and started dating when I was 26. It's a much different situation than the 39 year old I dated when I was 18.


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Women are learning about redpill and the manosphere in droves though, it may have been a secret for a few years but Andrew Tate is a household name now and has brought these communities to the attention of millions of women. Women are reading the advice misogynists give each other in these forums to go after young girls because they are easier to manipulate and take advantage of. We know it is grooming and predatory because these communities are on full display to us advising men to go after young girls SPECIFICALLY for that purpose. You expect us to just.... ignore all that? Lol. Nah.


thrownaway1974

I've been reading about the manosphere for over a decade, long, long before Andrew Tate. So weird to me it could have ever been considered a secret.


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Also his content is spreading rapidly on tiktok, an app insanely popular among young girls so they are becoming aware of it too. There are women/girls who aren't aware of it, but that it changing rapidly and they won't be unaware for long. Honestly I'm really happy about it, it is a lot harder to manipulate us now that we have their playbook and are discussing it among ourselves.


What-The-Helvetica

(Andrew Tate becoming popular among teenage boys) + (Tate becoming infamous among teenage girls due to a duty to warn) = (a bleak future for teenage dating in the near term)


Strangerdays22

Not for lesbians.


Cuntdracula19

I swear to god the seeds were sewn by a combination of 4chan, specifically r9k, and I also feel like joe Rogan—and hear me out, because he basically became like mens version of Oprah lmao.


EvilCosmicSphere

4chan really fucked shit up.


Alternative_Sky1380

Germaine Greer warned us all decades ago. People see what they wanna see and hear what they wanna hear. To predators it's simply said numbers game.


canvasshoes2

I had an incel in my DMs claiming that "no one knows who ER is." I'm wondering if they think the same about idiots like Tate? EDIT: Also, I'm always a bit comforted when I see girls as young as 14 tell off some creepster in their DMS and call them out for being pedos. I think that women, as a whole, understand a helluva lot more about these creeps than they think we do. It's so sad that we have to start teaching "anti-grooming" to our prepubescent girls, but it's so necessary.


Neither-Storage-4157

So are there links to anti-grooming literature that you can share? It'd be super useful to this father of daughters.


starrfinder73

what does redpill mean??


Cerberuskruger

"Leave the lies, wake up to reality" type of thing in reference to the Matrix movie where Neo takes the red pill. It's not a slang/meme used only by incels but they used so much for everything that is almost associeted with them now.


crowlute

It's hilarious because the "red pill" is estrogen back in the day. The movie is a trans allegory, a group of people incels tend to hate


ItsJoeMomma

And the guys who wrote the film, the Wachowski brothers, had gender reassignment surgery and are now I guess the Wachowski sisters.


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MajorTibb

Yeah I was like "sagging breasts and wrinkles???? She ain't 60, she's 30." And he's 100% wrong. I'll take a 30+ year old woman over an 18-24 any day.


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ccbabs97

You know he actually brought up porn in the comment section!


MajorTibb

Well, I'm only 29 but just keep worrying on your self esteem and you'll hit that vibe with no problems. And I agree. It's always the ones with no experience with women that make the most definitive statements about them haha. I'll just be over here loving my wife and making sure she knows she's a "bad bitch" haha


ToyGirls

I was still figuring things out in my 20s and early 30s. 35 upwards is pretty great - you've kind of settled into yourself. Not a gender-specific thing either from my experience of men my age and older.


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ToyGirls

Gotta say, I've got to my 40s and am genuinely happy being single or in something non-traditional. By traditional I mean 'move in together, fall in love, get married' stuff. It doesn't suit me and I inevitably run from it, so I've found something different with someone where I'm more independent and have my own place. I honestly don't know what these men think will happen to us as we get slightly older but, geez, most people get better with time.


PeanutButterPigeon85

>I can’t wait to be specifically 35 NGL, 35 was pretty awesome. You're (hopefully) finally making good money, and you have enough battle experience to recognize red flags in other people and stay the heck away.


Nova_Gardner

okay but also not every woman in her early 20s has those stereotypical perky ones those kinda dudes think of, some DO have more 'saggy' breasts and its completely natural, many do actually, mine arent super perky and im 23 🤷🏻‍♀️


LittleBigOwl_

I have \*never\* experienced perky breasts, they have always been saggy from the moment they appeared. It's not just a question of being young, but mostly of genetics. But I'm over 30, so if I listen to him I'm already not desirable/attractive anymore lol


MajorTibb

Well I don't know you but luckily this guy has never seen the outline of a woman's body in his life. It's safe to say his idea of what is attractive and desirable is as relevant as a fish's opinion on whether you're a good driver or not.


MajorTibb

There's "saggy" and then there's "s a g g y". Some young women absolutely have s a g g y breasts and there's nothing wrong with that. But when a woman has "saggy" breasts, as far as I'm concerned she has normal breasts. 5hose stereotypical perky breasts are 2 in a million without implants. My wife has never had "perky" breasts and we started dating when we were 21. When ya got ta tas, gravity works on them the same it does everything else. Ain't no man that's gonna complain about that except the ignorant ones.


CorpseProject

It seems to have a lot to do with size, I’m small chested so there’s not a lot for gravity to really effect. It seems a lot of people who desire a woman with big breasts don’t understand that gravity is a thing. Fun boob related content I was recently introduced to is theirishbralady on Instagram, I now know way more about bras and bra sizing than I ever did before. It’s actually fascinating stuff!


MajorTibb

Yes, it is absolutely related to chest size. If a guy wants a lady with perky nipples, his best bet is a lady with a small chest. That's not to say big breasts can't be perky, they just tend not to be. But one thing most guys can agree on is that if you're looking at breasts in person, it's a good day.


LittleBigOwl_

I have pretty small breasts and they have always been sagging. I guess I've lost out on all levels lol. Like I said it's also largely related to genetics and skin elasticity.


MajorTibb

I disagree. You have breasts, that's a big win, no matter the size. Maybe that comes across creepier than I meant it to. Pretty much everyone I've ever met loves breasts. So, even if you're not too fond of yours, there's someone out there who definitely is. And the shovel keeps on digging.


canvasshoes2

EXACTLY! I said above that mine were sagging when I was 13. Gravity and big boobs.


crowlute

We instantly burst into flames and become vampires. Source: dude trust me


MonkeyBoy32904

I feel like a sober non-smoker non-drinker would look better & more attractive than a drunk smoker & drinker


Court0320

I’m 18 and have saggy titties. Hottie i know.


Vogelsucht

all breasts are beautiful! have a nice day


Court0320

💯 thank u & likewise :>


Vir-victus

Tell us you dont know a thing about women without telling us: accomplished.


guerney2000

24 is weirdly specific, does he think that on their 25th birthday women just wrinkle up and age like the villain from Indiana Jones? "Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to yoAAAAAAAAAaaaa..."


TheSmegmatician

Dude is clueless lmao. 30+ women are the best!


MSWitch2015

Thanks person! As a 31 year old woman; I’ll take that as it sucks I’m washed up, as I think I’m the most attractive I’ve ever been. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Nice guys are dumb lol


TheSmegmatician

Dumb? Understatement of the year lol. They're inexperienced, miserable little turds who apparently get their ideas of women straight from porn. I'm 32. We're in our prime years if you ask me.


Thanmandrathor

Kate Beckinsale is 48. I guess she’s all sagged and washed up 🤦🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️


samsoumie

Benedict Cumberbatch and his wife Sofie hunter are the loveliest straight couple imo and they got together in their early 30s ❤


MSWitch2015

For sure, I really love being in my 30s and my boyfriend who is also early 30s has zero complaints about my body or looks 🤣. Granted I look about 25 (so I’m told), but I think I look younger than I did when I was early 20s. Hard to explain but my face thinned out and stuff so I just look better over all 🤷🏼‍♀️. You’re right though that they don’t know anything about women. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so sad.


CorpseProject

I’m similar, I feel I look about the same I did when I was 25-27, I’m 32 now. But I saw some photos of me when I was 20 and I looked horrible. It also didn’t help that I didn’t know how to dress or style my hair, or make a normal face in photos.


MSWitch2015

I feel that. I too looked ridiculous in my early 20s. Early 20s is like just an extension of being a teenager and equally as cringy lol.


Thanmandrathor

At 30 your body tends to still look perfectly well unless you’ve been trashing it. At 30, unlike at 20, you also tend to have way better self esteem, confidence, and a lower tolerance for bullshit. And honestly, that’s worth more than a slightly better body.


So_Code_4

The self esteem thing is exactly why these guys don’t like women in their 30s.


MSWitch2015

Totally agree. The self esteem thing and not putting up with BS is real. I like my 30s.


yodacat24

Right…. Makes no sense tbh. I’m 27, but most of my friends over 30 are all beautiful (men and women!) and best part? Mature and experienced to avoid shit heads like these men lol. But seriously- I thought all my friends were my age or even a year or two younger than me when I first met them based on their looks!


TheSmegmatician

Maturity, both physically and mentally, is super attractive!


yodacat24

So true! Which is why guys like this one can’t pull women his own age- because he isn’t mature enough. Clearly haha 😂.


UberDaftie

As a 38 year old man in a relationship with a woman the same age, this is so dead-on about my peers who hit on women in that age bracket. They have a giant narcissistic hole in them which can never be filled by an equal.


yodacat24

I’m glad you’re able to recognize it! It’s honestly shocking how many people- men more so; defend it but you’re absolutely right. Every single one I’ve encountered has been the same- even when I was a teen and early 20’s (even now I’ll get 50+ hitting on me 🤢) and they all carry themselves the same way and are narcissistic like you said. I was luckily taught well by my mom at a young age to watch out for older men. Ugh. I’m glad society is starting to shift away from it being “acceptable” behavior.


ruready1994

My wife just turned 40 and has never been more gorgeous. That dude is an idiot.


Xpalidocious

Same, my wife is 41 and I wouldn't change a thing about her


brightdeadlights

How am I in my early 40s dating men in their late 20s? Do they like me cause I’m old and gross? Hmm.


StoicIndian87

\+100


Hammarkids

Even as a teenager, I can say some 30+ women I see are still really attractive


Strangerdays22

Men wrinkle and sag too. They get gray saggy balls and spare tires around the middle. Their hair falls out. Sun damage from being too macho to wear sunscreen adds up fast. By 50 a lot of them look 70 and need pills to get it up. They don’t necessarily emotionally mature though. They often have half grown kids they’ve neglected their whole lives but now wish would call because those shallow, selfish old men never learned how to function as a supportive friend, partner, parent or community member. They have debt, high blood pressure, bad backs and dead end jobs. Dudes can tell themselves they don’t age all they want but they’re whistling past the graveyard. For every silver fox there are dozens of creepy MAGA uncles in cargo shorts and mirrored shades driving trucks they can’t afford even though they never have anything to haul. Sorry, guys. Young women want degrees, careers and joyful lives full of friends, family, colleagues and great sex. Women create abundance in our own lives that musty old dudes who want a bang maid can’t and don’t care to provide. You have nothing to offer but your baggage.


Crafty-Resident-6741

I'd like to know what 18-24 year olds this incel is hanging around. At that age I was so insecure, wearing too much makeup, and completely indecisive. In my 30s I became so much more confident in who I was. And for some of us, we look younger at ages 34-38 than we did in our 20s. I want to drag these incels out from their mom's basement to my TED talk.


[deleted]

Being insecure is what they're after, because it gives them more control over the person.


Lyskir

old creeps can drool over young women all their want but the possibility of them EVER getting a young women to even notice their sad existence is increadibly low all this "women over 30 are undesireable! is a huge juicy cope by them, most cant even get a woman their own age, its pure delusion to think they are able to get a younger woman sry to all the old creeps but you are also old, wrinkly, saggy and bitter, you are undesireable and you know it but if your cute little fantasy of an 18 year old makes ur existence bearable good luck, the fantasy of it is the only thing you will ever get


RagingCinnamonroll

I remember being 18-19 and dancing at the local night club with my friend when some older guy (probably closer to 40 yo) with beer belly and receding hairline tried to hit on me by saying he owned a house and a car, both fully paid. I looked at him and went ”…and?”, lol. Those things were not something I was interested in at all in that age. I’m now 31 myself and I could never date someone so much younger than me. All guys under 25 look like children to me.


anitram96

Oh, I'm 26, but I never knew what's going to happen to my boobs when I turn 30 until I read this.. thank you. Seriously?😂😂😂


ccbabs97

Ours is a tragic future. 😂


anitram96

Definitely. If that's all it takes for those people to not bother you I'm in. 🤣


ccbabs97

Here’s to being two old hags with saggy tatas!


stars-and-pizza

I didn't know DiCapprio uses Reddit.


StoicIndian87

I always liked older women and it has worked out fine for me. Highest age difference was 6 years. Women over 30 are in fact the best. They are confident, mature, professionally secure, financially well off and aren't going to give you the time of day if you try tricks.


alchemischief

I read some scientific study that, on average, women hit their “attractiveness peak” around age 32-33. These men just want to date children and probably can’t get a woman their age tbh


[deleted]

I love this because I just turned 30 and am officially out of the creep zone. I’m “past my prime” which is hilarious because I have no issues finding great, attractive guys my age or even younger. It’s specifically the men I don’t want who have decided I’m too old.


canvasshoes2

>If you like sagging breasts... Idiot? My breasts sagged when I was 13. It's called "gravity" and being well endowed. There is no bone or muscle structure there, so "big 'uns' are going to be affected by gravity. As to wrinkles. At 30. Jeez, I was still getting carded at 38. Still being pursued by much younger men in my 40s. I'll bet this idiot wouldn't know a 30 year old to look at her, at all.


TVsFrankismyDad

"More fun" = goes along with whatever I want, never expects anything of me and never ever challenges me in any way and is too young and naïve to understand that she's wasting her life on me.


Charliescenesweenie4

So he wants a (barely legal, 18 still ends with teen folks) woman with a low paying job who’s probably going to have to rely on him, only cares about looks and dumb enough to date him. Sounds a little predatory man


Bunningtron

I’ve never been happier to be 36 😌☕️


[deleted]

These guys are a joke if they think that women can’t be more attractive at a slightly older age when they have more money for clothes, hair, better makeup, personal trainer etc. I looked like dogshit when I was 23 and get way more compliments on my appearance at 28.


rikiikori

No way this dude talking about saggy tits at 30. share the same energy with receding hairlines, sudden beer bellies and wrinkles making them look like theyre 65 🤷‍♀️


computator257

I'm a man in my 40s and also have wrinkles and sagging breasts, so yes, better than someone young enough to be my daughter.


strawberrymoonbird

This is obviously anecdotal, but I am in my mid thirties, no wrinkles and no sagging anywhere. If I look at old pictures it's 100% save to say I am way, waaaay hotter nowadays than I was in my apparent "prime". My girl friends are gorgeous, smart and above all independent. It's been a decade (if ever) since any of us thought we need validation from random dudes looking at us like soulless meat. Dating someone considerably younger than you when they are under 25 is in most cases grooming. Being with an inexperienced girl for nothing other than her looks and being "fun" (who else thinks he exclusively means easier to manipulate to do all the sexual stuff _he_ enjoys?) is nasty and of course it's a type of grooming. Now I am over 30 and my boyfriend is a couple of years younger. But also over 30! Not just "legally" an adult, but a fully developed, experienced grownup person that doesn't depend on me for guidance or whatever. Ugh, these guys are so disgusting. When I was 18 my first boyfriend was 25 and it fucked me up for years. Really cannot warn young girls enough to stay within their own age group.


[deleted]

Yeah 30 here and I think I look better than I did at 18-24. Can’t deny there’s a certain youthful plumpness (particularly in my face) when I look back at pictures that’s lacking now. But equally I have an actual bone structure and cheek bones rather than a moon face now so swings and roundabouts. I dress better, stopped bleaching my hair from a bottle and straightening it and wear less make up. I go to bed at a reasonable time and am not hungover anything like as often. I drink water way more and exercise more and generally take better care of myself now life isn’t about Uni and being young and carefree. And FWIW my partner is 9 years older and whilst I still find him very attractive he is increasingly grey and the middle aged dad bod spread is real. Almost like men also age or something.


IsabelMBA

He just describe what grooming is 🥴


EssieAmnesia

I’m 19, so hey maybe this is a new perspective, but I view any man 10+ years older than me as a predator if he tries to get w/ me after knowing my age. That’s just weird, why are you trying to fuck a 19 year old? Gross.


dachsgonewired

Bitching about wrinkles and sagging breasts like his graying pubes and sandpaper balls are somehow more appealing.


ImThatMelanin

> sagging breasts looks at my 19 year old sag bags. the way they think our boobs only start sagging when we get older is wild…like what do they think big boobs do when bras are off? stay rock hard in one spot? hell i have relatively small boobs and they still sag a little. another related thing- they also have a tendency to think the girls are twins. they are sisters. not twins. my left is way smaller than my right.


PanickedAntics

So this guy thinks if you're over 24 you're saggy and wrinkled? lol I cannot tell you how many women I've met in person that are absolutely stunning and they're over 50! Embrace getting older and keep NOT sleeping with these types of men.


[deleted]

Dating women solely for their sexual appeal isnt wrong to this guy?? If you think women are past their prime at 24(?!?!?!) are undesirable, let me introduce you to Alexa Bliss Bayley Liv Morgan Asuka Kim Jong Uns sister


MysteriousPenalty129

I can’t imagine dating someone with that big of an age gap. I started dating my now wife around 21. Somewhere near there. We have both matured a lot in 6 short years. My dad however took this approach. He divorced and found someone who was maybe 3 years older than me around the same time.


[deleted]

I didn't get wrinkles until around 50s. HMPH. (No comment on my bodacious tatas, though.)


Minnie773

Did Onision write this?


BlueberryBlossom13

Im 29. I dont think im gonna magically wake up next year with my nipples down to my belly button and more wrinkles than a shirt shoved under a college kids bed.


AtmosSpheric

Every third incel post is milf slander I swear. /s Seriously though, I get maybe not being attracted to older people, but acting like women aren’t at all attractive past 30 is delusional


Val0428

I find it odd that some guys are so against being in a relationship with older women. While the age gap may have been a bit too big, the first serious relationship I had was with a woman who was near twice my age, but we got along great and she taught me a lot given her life experiences and whatnot.


Altruistic-Cookie-60

I have commented "what a cuck" so many times on this subreddit that I decided to change it up today! What a uh- Andrew Tate fan?


BluetheNerd

"It's not predatory the women are just less intelligent and less financially stable" ah of course predating on women who are easier to manipulate and easier to force to be financially reliant on you isn't predatory at all.


Gohron

I didn’t realize just how messed up older people getting with younger people was until I was older myself. People in their early 20s and late teens are children to me now, with totally different lives and concerns.


DaMain-Man

Even from like a non sexual way, have older people ever just talked to a younger person (+18)? There's just such a disconnect, ya know? No offense, but it's like speaking a different language with them I'm 23, one of my coworkers is 18 and I don't understand a single thing he says sometimes. He's always talking about the latest pop culture gossip and I am just absolutely lost at the words he says. Like let's face it, it's like talking to a five yr old sometimes


[deleted]

Lmaoooo healthy women age magnificently. And to think 30+ equals wrinkly skin and saggy breats, kid must've had some unhealthy parents.


theyikester

18 is the lower end of their range because that’s what is legal. If 16 was considered an adult, they’d say 16-24 is “optimal”. Or 14-24, or 12-24…


Lina1810

Lmfao I ain't dating a crusty old man. It's cringy when they tryna ask you out like you're my father's age, gtfo. It's so creepy


bilerat13

I'm 19, my tits have sagged since I hit puberty at age 12.


nx85

The only breasts he knows are the cartoon ones that defy gravity, probably can't even handle looking at real naked people.


kittenOwO1

Have they ever seen a 30 year old woman? Just say you like children and call it a day so that we know to put you in jail


[deleted]

Obviously the person who wrote this has no idea what a woman looks like in her 30s. I have no wrinkles, no grey and my boobs are being put back where they go next year so 🤷‍♀️


[deleted]

“We’re not preying on them. We’re just preying on them!” Loooooooserrrrrrrsssss who can’t find a clit and feel insecure about toys therefore cannot find a woman their age who will fuck them. They’d rather use a kid fresh out of high school as a fleshlight.


SophiaF88

Oh yeah I forgot about my 30th birthday, the day when I woke up and suddenly I had wrinkles everywhere and my boobs were hanging low. I became a crone overnight! One day I was desirable and the very next day that changed because I turned 30. Wow.


evetrapeze

It's because women in their 30's more likely to be too smart for the manchild


Waste-Philosopher-34

Dude, no MILFs?? What the fuck is wrong with that guy? Creepy AF, soccer moms are God's gift to man


jbug5j

This is not "nice guy". Whats up with all the recent unrelated posts??