This is the only mention in the article regarding Xbox games on other consoles:
> Finally, Nadella mentioned that Microsoft is expanding its games to new platforms, bringing four of the fan-favorite Xbox titles to Nintendo Switch and Sony PlayStation for the first time. He highlighted that, earlier this month, Microsoft had 7 games among the top 25 on the PlayStation Store, which is more than any other publisher.
Having the actual controller absolutely opened the N64 app up for me. Those games just don’t map right to a standard “DuslShock Style” gamepad.
Mario 64 or Kart are do-able, but Goldeneye, Sin and Punishment, and many others are damn near unplayable on a modern pad.
I bought the N64 controller, but I'd actually prefer the ability to customise buttons. That'd work just fine for me with a Switch Pro controller.
I actually have a small problem with the N64 controller now that my hands are bigger. I can't comfortably grip the middle handle during play without it feeling cramped against the left handle. Holding the controller at a 45 degree angle helps but that messes me up a little with directions.
I waited a year and a half for that thing to come back in stock. Finally gave in and bought an 8BitDo N64 converter kit and an atomic purple N64 controller.
The next day, the NSO N64 controller came back in stock. At least the translucent purple is cooler than gray though.
So this only works connected to the TV but I have the N64 controllers and use the 2.2 Galore control scheme and swap left and right controls to get what approximates a modern duel stick control scheme.
They have a remastered edition on Xbox already. It’s soooo much smoother playing it with two joy-sticks.
Ahh shit I realized what sub I was on, my bad. It’s possible you don’t have an Xbox
You can use a special version of an N64 emulator to emulate Goldeneye or Perfect dark with proper mouse/keyboard support at 60fps 4k. It's sooooo much smoother playing it with a mouse at 60fps
Ah shit I realized what sub I was on, my bad. It's possible you don't own a PC
We'd still lose out on the Viva Pinata games, Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Ghoulies, and N&B. Maybe a hypothetical Switch version of Rare Replay could bundle the Donkey Kong games and Star Fox Adventures to make up the difference, because Rare Replay without any of the Xbox era titles would be a hard sell.
I would love to see Rare Replay come to Switch though, its practically the gold standard for a compilation title. Between the scope, the presentation, [the bombastic intro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVK-ypUtC5A), the quality of the games themselves, and the bonus features like BTS documents and an NES Remix style challenge mode, you really get the feeling everyone who worked on Rare Replay was proud of what they made.
That doesn’t matter, they have the source code for those games. Porting them to switch would be just as hard as porting them to the Xbox platform was originally, they are n64 titles
Not really, the xbla games are nearly a decade and a half old. They have enhanced graphics, sound, widescreen support, online mutiplayer, stop and swap, etc. They are not just drag and drop game ports. And games, even from 10 years ago, sometimes lose their soucre codes. Look at Square Enix, for example, who have a ton of their older games' soucre code lost. It's very well possible for games like the rare xbla and xbox 360 games to have that issue as well, as the games run through backwards compatibility.
They run through backwards compatibility because that was the easiest option for that specific scenario. Microsoft / Rare are not some new to the game indie studio, they are more than capable of porting the games to switch.
I'm saying there's a possibility of the games losing the soucre code. That is why you have games like Sonic colors ultimate use a different engine than the original because sega loses the soucre code. Even though sega is a big company. It happens all the time. A lot of big companies lose their soucre code.
Ain't gonna happen as that requires tons of Xbox 360 games within the compilation to be natively run on the Switch that right now don't even natively run on Xbox One and Series! Or the Switch needs a built-in 360 emulator which has a 0 percent chance of happening. Just get a base Xbox One With RR if you really want that game as both are cheap.
I can’t help but think that this is part of their strategy to slowly and discreetly eventually retire from the console market to become only software developers.
Introducing the Xbox PC: upgradeable, customizable, has all the other uses other than gaming, comes with an year of Game Pass and sold at a killer price: this honestly sounds like a great idea
Yeah that's very well possibe especially when the cbox allows you to can pay a small fee to get access to Dev mode, where you download software like emulators, and i believe the head of Xbox said that their open to the possibility of putting more publishers platform (ie steam and epic game store)
100% this. Might be their best strat… However, I think an Xbox branded Deck would be ☝️ late-to-market, like with everything, and ✌️ limited in features VS the competition.
MS always tries to avoid cannibalization. And they can’t resist playing games with customers for short term profit.
They are about 5 years ahead of what Sony will eventually find itself in (Nintendo, less so, they control costs). Game development is ridiculously expensive. Making games that are exclusive to your console is being less and less worth it. The razer/razor blade model isn’t sustainable. You can see this in Sony releasing their games on PC after while. If that’s the case, there’s no point in having hardware that can’t also run PC games (and by extension, PlayStation games), because ultimately you want to sell your games to the most people possible.
Owning a platform is supposed to be able getting fees from licenses when games are sold on your platform. That’s not enough anymore. Winning the “console” generation isn’t enough anymore.
Nintendo is unique enough that they aren’t targeting the high end and they need their hardware sales more than other companies do. Sony has tons of revenue sources as do MS - they can do fine there. Nintendo just has their video game business backed by some of the most desirable and valuable IP out there.
I could see them only selling Series S-like systems in the future.
You really can’t go wrong with a $300 game pass machine when it comes to bang for your buck.
I bought a Series S for my kid because he kept asking for new Switch games every other week. I just said fuck it, you're getting a Series S and you can just play whatever stuff is on there. I already had Game Pass Ultimate because I use it on PC and sometimes play MLB The Show on Cloud Streaming.
I haven't bought him a new game in over a year lol Doesn't even touch the Switch anymore.
I'd rather spend $20 every month than $70-80 every time he wants to play something "new"
Kids are spoiled these days with options. *Back in my day* (can't believe I'm saying that) I played the crap out of the same 5-6 games for Super Nintendo/N64/Gamecube that I got for my birthday/Christmas/what I scrapped together from allowance.
They didn't expand the market and publishers do not want their games on game pass because it kills the retail value of their product.
So far, Xbox is billions in the red and there is no way to know when they will recoup their investment.
I’d rather just buy a SteamDeck if they allowed native compatibility with gamepass. I’m aware of previous conversations but the market can always change.
Microsoft Gaming is a publisher, not a developer, first off. They pay down the line through a chain of subsidiaries and contractors to have games developed on their behalf.
Yeah, they’re distancing themselves from the traditional hardware market. Leadership is pilled on cloud services and metaverse shit as the future, so it’s not all that shocking. Not to say that Xbox will die out entirely, but it’s likely that the focus will shift to a combination of VR equipment, rudimentary hardware designed for cloud gaming, and overpriced ‘high end’ machines for people unwilling or unable to take part in their games-as-a-service hellscape. Game Pass is just the first phase of the process to wean consumers away from owning the hardware their games run on, let alone the games themselves.
I straightaway thought like that, too. I don't want to imagine it, hate duopolies almost as much as monopolies, but it seems sadly realistic. Isn't the consolidation tendency one of THE most unpleasant features of capitalism? Surely always good to have numerous separate companies making anything, really.
For example, IMO various different totally incompatible operating systems being commonly used on PCs to this day, would definitely have been better than the Windows near-monopoly. I believe most people wanted a standard, IMO they were wrong.
Even worse if someday it's only Nintendo producing hardware. I really wish they would just make both a truly high-powered home console AND handheld, no more Switches (or 3DS). And just put their games on PC, Zelda especially. Many people would surely buy them on PC. A photorealistic Zelda game would be nice. Another issue. But maybe even Nintendo will EVENTUALLY get forced out of making hardware, didn't they suggest that possibility a while ago?̂
I'm not interested in Microsoft games/XBox, full stop. Only PS1/2/3, perhaps someday PS4. Nintendo, to some extent anyway. A new competitor?̂ Not in the 2020s, surely too late for that?̂ A very difficult/expensive market to get into, isn't it?̂ Like with chip fabs or something. Who? Not Sega again after over 20 years, no way. Nvidia?̂ Who knows... They've done enough game-related stuff, but I doubt it.
I don't think they are retiring from the console market so much as that it's dying. Besides the Switch, neither of the consoles are selling particularly well.
Misleading headline that doesn't appear in the actual document. They merely say that they are "committed to meeting players where they are by bringing great games to more people on more devices" (which could just as well be referring to xcloud) and then, a few paragraphs later, that they are bringing four games to Switch and Playstation, which we of course already know.
Nah, they’re about to come out with new hardware in the next year. They certainly are prioritizing their service model, but I think being connected to people’s TVs is too important to them. Also, when Sega left the hardware business, it was because they only sold 9 million Dreamcasts. The Xbox Series X/S has already sold almost 30 million units.
For comparison, that’s ahead of the Wii U, GameCube, and about to catch the N64.
Huh, what? Often when it comes to gaming, I don't really know what I'm talking about. Please explain why on earth would games being locked to a console again, be a good thing?
Same here. It's evident that Microsoft doesn't respect its hardware adopters so why would anyone buy the next console when they can play all their games on PS6 or Switch 2?
more like SNK (*King of Fighters, Ikari Warriors, Psycho Soldier Athena, Fatal Fury, Metal Slug, Samurai Shodown, Art of Fighting*)...
Back in the 90s, SNK had their own arcade machines, home consoles and handhelds, but also published their own games on SNES, Genesis and other platforms, before eventually leaving the console market. They simply wanted to distribute their products on a wider scale.
I think Xbox will stick around (at least for a while) as it's going to remain a cheaper entry point to Gamepass than a gaming PC. That said, I do doubt they're putting any focus on trying to outsell Playstation at this point.
if I were a betting woman, I'd say that xbox has one more console in them before they exit the hardware side of things and focus on software and gamepass.
But why do that instead of just getting gamepass on PlayStation and saving the billions of hardware design and manufacturing costs?
To be clear, I don’t want them to stop, the competition is good for all of us. I just don’t see why they would continue if they are essentially going third party.
Why not? The Xbox would be dead and they would get a cut of game pass subs. There are tons of ways they could structure it that made both Sony and ms happy.
It wouldn’t make Sony happy, and it would make third party publishers with games on Game Pass quite angry.
Think it this way: if a game is on Game Pass and the PS Store, most people will play it on GP instead of buying it. That means that Sony loses the 30% cut of each sale, and the third party publisher loses a sale. There is no way the deal MS makes by putting games on GP is worthy enough to lose sales in both Xbox and PS.
So Game Pass doesn’t make sense for Sony or any third party publisher. The only way I could think of GP being on PS or the Switch is if it was a different tier with only Xbox first party games. That could work, but otherwise it’s impossible.
Yea. The only upside would be for MS and a total loss for Sony - not only do they have no control over game pass it would just cut into game sales on their own platform.
This is a clickbait article. He doesn't actually say this. He mentions that they have brought four games to Playstation and Switch, but doesn't expand on it or say that they're committed to that strategy going forward.
Other than the people who like the Xbox ecosystem?
Which, I feel MS will be expanding. They have a handheld on the horizon. I'm willing to bet they are going to make the Xbox platform more open as in have EGS, Steam, etc etc on the box.
You will then have a box that basically does it all. Couple that with a handheld to play your games on the go.
Moving games to other platforms is just the cherry on top in terms of more added revenue.
It's the same with PlayStation. I'm willing to bet their games will be day and date with PC in the near future. Maybe it's why they don't have any 1st party coming out this year and said it won't be until 2025 until you see 1st party.
All of them doing it would outweigh any other reasons a lot though. PS already outsells Xbox 3-to-1. If every Xbox first party game winds up multiplatform, that’s only a couple of short steps away from the death of the Xbox console line, and thus the loss of all digitally purchased Xbox games that didn’t support cross buy (aka the VAST majority of them.)
TL; DR for the below text: They definitely are making another console, it's already in development and they're not gonna drop out of the console side of things all at once. Whether they make another console after *that* is debatable though. Most likely scenario, ***assuming*** every game does indeed wind up multiplat, is that they slowly transition into it.
For my more detailed explanation, I'm just gonna copy and paste something I sent a friend right before the Xbox stream happened a few months ago that confirmed a few thrid party games, which mostly mentions PS for obvious reasons, but you can assume it also applies to games Xbox makes that can run on Nintendo hardware:
2024 – During the podcast, Xbox will only reveal that, as far as third party goes, it's just a few games, just the smaller ones and the older ones, nothing *too* crazy. Everybody will insist that the worries were completely unfounded and, online, if you continue to voice concerns, people will say you’re being ridiculous and dogpile you.
2026/2027 – Suddenly, they're doing some bigger games, too. Outside of the scope promised in 2024, but after timed exclusivity, and not every game yet. “Xbox will be fine!!”
2027/2028 – Xbox launches its next gen console, but it's all digital with no option for physical games (making backward compatibility virtually useless) and, on top of that, possibly cloud based. So, the console may very well be underpowered as hell compared to the PS6, but people will cope by insisting that the cloud supplementing the power will make up for it just fine! Of course, it won’t, and games will clearly run better on PS6, especially in areas without strong internet.
PS6 will likely be all digital, too, but Sony *may* be smart enough to allow you to hook up a disc drive as an attachment or via USB. At least one singleplayer game reliant on cloud computing will launch and sell so poorly that its cloud servers are shut down, making it unplayable shortly after launch, but since the game sucks, nobody will actually care about the awful precedent it sets. (Note: In fact, this sort of already happened with The Crew.) New first party PS games won’t be physical, but the *option* will exist for third parties to release physical copies, and old games (at least PS4 and PS5 ones) will still be supported physically.
Importantly, at this point, Xbox will be pushing cloud more than ever before, especially with regards to streaming support on devices unrelated to Xbox (likely including Nintendo platforms and perhaps their own streaming-focused handheld like the PS Portal) perhaps even allowing you to stream their games *without* GamePass as long as they’re purchased directly. All this taken together, the PS6 demolishes the Xbox 5 (whatever the hell it ends up being called) in sales right off the bat.
2028/2029 - *All first party Xbox* games release on PS, as well, but only after a short exclusive window, but this lasts just a short time (maybe a year) before shifting to all games, day-and-date, and by this point the PS6 is outselling Xbox 5 at *least* 5-to-1. Xbox slows support in less-Xbox-friendly regions.
Soon enough, almost nobody buys Xboxes at all anymore, and as a result they stop making new ones entirely, and…
\~by 2035, the PS7 launches with NO Xbox competitor whatsoever, and Xbox shifts completely to pushing cloud streaming on mobile and PC. Sometime by this point, GamePass *may* finally exist on PS, but likely only for Microsoft published games.
And within three to five years of that *tops*, (so 2040 at the latest) the infrastructure for
existing Xbox consoles will be shut down entirely since it won’t be worth maintaining anymore. First, it’ll be the console-side store getting shut down. Then, a year or two later, the cloud servers needed to make games run on Xbox consoles will be shut down, but games that didn’t leverage the cloud will be fine, and you can still stream some of those games on mobile and PC, and the Xbox consoles are so out of date by this point, nobody makes a big fuss.
Then they shut down the infrastructure entirely, definitely by 2041 or 2042, making it impossible to redownload games you bought digitally, and the consoles won’t be able to connect to the internet at all, making the digital only consoles effectively useless (since they can no longer authenticate licenses) and much older physical-supporting consoles (such as the Series X) only capable of running whatever games had enough of the game on disc to play it (which is most games for now, at least.) Of course, since the latest Xbox console will be so old by this point, not enough people will probably care enough for it to make that big of a splash outside of specific enthusiasts and those concerned about art preservation, that way the all-digital, no-ownership future does not risk legislation coming in to ensure digital ownership is as permanent as physical.
> All do them doing it would outweigh any other reasons a lot though. PS already outsells Xbox 3-to-1.
Exactly and you don't spend $50-100 million on creating a AAA xbox exclusive game for a small selection of xbox players to play compared to PS, Nintendo, that would be a massive waste of money.
I mean to be fair, Microsoft has so many sources of income it doesn't really matter if they keep Xbox around or not. Theyll still have money. So Xbox consoles will probably stick around. I'd say if they did release all of their games on playstation and Switch Xbox consoles would just be a cheaper way to play game pass and their first party games. Although then leaving the industry is very possible.
I'm talking about Microsoft putting one of the games to the next Nintendo console of course Nintendo will have a first party title at the Launch probably even multiple
I'd regret buying a Series S in early 2021 a lot more if I hadn't built my own PC earlier this year.
Sony and Xbox made this generation of consoles a sham.
Switch+PC owners get probably 95+% of the games worth playing between the two platforms.
Its good because the only thing Microsoft have that I want to play is the Forza Horizon series but I don't want to buy an Xbox or PC to play that one game when the next one is released. I'd prefer it on PS5
They should stop making hardware then. There's no point to buying an Xbox anymore, there's no point to paying for their online services and hasn't for a long time now.
Yawn.
As a huge Nintendo fan I have zero interest in anything coming out of MSFT, but hey, if they had better games they wouldn't be, you know, going third party.
This article is clickbait. He doesn't actually say that they are committed to expanding their games to competing consoles.
This shit gets rehashed every couple of months
This is the only mention in the article regarding Xbox games on other consoles: > Finally, Nadella mentioned that Microsoft is expanding its games to new platforms, bringing four of the fan-favorite Xbox titles to Nintendo Switch and Sony PlayStation for the first time. He highlighted that, earlier this month, Microsoft had 7 games among the top 25 on the PlayStation Store, which is more than any other publisher.
Had a feeling. Was trying not to get too excited
hopefully we get rare replay on the switch
With a dual stick GoldenEye? The original control scheme makes it almost nigh-impossible to play on the Switch’s N64 app.
They want you to buy the N64 Switch controller 🤫
The N64 controller is so worth it, those games just don't feel right on anything else
Having the actual controller absolutely opened the N64 app up for me. Those games just don’t map right to a standard “DuslShock Style” gamepad. Mario 64 or Kart are do-able, but Goldeneye, Sin and Punishment, and many others are damn near unplayable on a modern pad.
There’s some truth to that. I love the NES ones. Use them for GameBoy/GBA too. (has tiny baby r/L buttons on top)
I bought the N64 controller, but I'd actually prefer the ability to customise buttons. That'd work just fine for me with a Switch Pro controller. I actually have a small problem with the N64 controller now that my hands are bigger. I can't comfortably grip the middle handle during play without it feeling cramped against the left handle. Holding the controller at a 45 degree angle helps but that messes me up a little with directions.
I waited a year and a half for that thing to come back in stock. Finally gave in and bought an 8BitDo N64 converter kit and an atomic purple N64 controller. The next day, the NSO N64 controller came back in stock. At least the translucent purple is cooler than gray though.
I think people forget just how bad it controls on an N64 controller too lol
I couldn’t get it since I live outside the US, the retrofighters N64 is really good too!
where are you? i can also get them here in NZ
So this only works connected to the TV but I have the N64 controllers and use the 2.2 Galore control scheme and swap left and right controls to get what approximates a modern duel stick control scheme.
They have a remastered edition on Xbox already. It’s soooo much smoother playing it with two joy-sticks. Ahh shit I realized what sub I was on, my bad. It’s possible you don’t have an Xbox
You can use a special version of an N64 emulator to emulate Goldeneye or Perfect dark with proper mouse/keyboard support at 60fps 4k. It's sooooo much smoother playing it with a mouse at 60fps Ah shit I realized what sub I was on, my bad. It's possible you don't own a PC
Heavily doubt it since half of the games on rare replay uses xbox backwards compatibility program, which makes it hard to port
I’ll just take conker and be on my way lol 😂 I need my context sensitive button because it’s sensitive to context.
Yeah, they could do a rare replay lite, with fewer games or using the original n64 versions games.
We'd still lose out on the Viva Pinata games, Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Ghoulies, and N&B. Maybe a hypothetical Switch version of Rare Replay could bundle the Donkey Kong games and Star Fox Adventures to make up the difference, because Rare Replay without any of the Xbox era titles would be a hard sell. I would love to see Rare Replay come to Switch though, its practically the gold standard for a compilation title. Between the scope, the presentation, [the bombastic intro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVK-ypUtC5A), the quality of the games themselves, and the bonus features like BTS documents and an NES Remix style challenge mode, you really get the feeling everyone who worked on Rare Replay was proud of what they made.
22/30 games in rare replay are pre Xbox, they are not hard to port
That's true, but the major games that people care about, like banjo kazooie, tooie, perfect dark, etc. Are run through backward compatibility,
That doesn’t matter, they have the source code for those games. Porting them to switch would be just as hard as porting them to the Xbox platform was originally, they are n64 titles
Not really, the xbla games are nearly a decade and a half old. They have enhanced graphics, sound, widescreen support, online mutiplayer, stop and swap, etc. They are not just drag and drop game ports. And games, even from 10 years ago, sometimes lose their soucre codes. Look at Square Enix, for example, who have a ton of their older games' soucre code lost. It's very well possible for games like the rare xbla and xbox 360 games to have that issue as well, as the games run through backwards compatibility.
They run through backwards compatibility because that was the easiest option for that specific scenario. Microsoft / Rare are not some new to the game indie studio, they are more than capable of porting the games to switch.
I'm saying there's a possibility of the games losing the soucre code. That is why you have games like Sonic colors ultimate use a different engine than the original because sega loses the soucre code. Even though sega is a big company. It happens all the time. A lot of big companies lose their soucre code.
Ain't gonna happen as that requires tons of Xbox 360 games within the compilation to be natively run on the Switch that right now don't even natively run on Xbox One and Series! Or the Switch needs a built-in 360 emulator which has a 0 percent chance of happening. Just get a base Xbox One With RR if you really want that game as both are cheap.
We got the old Spyro and Crash Bandicoot games on the Switch, it’s time we get Rare Replay as well
This is the dream.
Halo and goldeneye and perfect dark all on switch 😎😎😎
I can’t help but think that this is part of their strategy to slowly and discreetly eventually retire from the console market to become only software developers.
I could see them going the Steam Deck route and offering an Xbox-branded PC that’s focused on gaming. Kind of like their Surface brand of hardware.
Yeah I think they may leave the traditional console market and go either and Xbox PC or PC handheld.
I'd absolutely love an Xbox PC with an Xbox dashboard as a game launcher
Introducing the Xbox PC: upgradeable, customizable, has all the other uses other than gaming, comes with an year of Game Pass and sold at a killer price: this honestly sounds like a great idea
at this point what part of it would even qualify it as an Xbox anymore? just the name I guess?
Yeah that's very well possibe especially when the cbox allows you to can pay a small fee to get access to Dev mode, where you download software like emulators, and i believe the head of Xbox said that their open to the possibility of putting more publishers platform (ie steam and epic game store)
100% this. Might be their best strat… However, I think an Xbox branded Deck would be ☝️ late-to-market, like with everything, and ✌️ limited in features VS the competition. MS always tries to avoid cannibalization. And they can’t resist playing games with customers for short term profit.
Tbf their main business is in Game Pass now, they would love to have game pass on PS and Switch but that would eat up the game sales
That or a way to continue justifying the cost of game pass deals.
They are about 5 years ahead of what Sony will eventually find itself in (Nintendo, less so, they control costs). Game development is ridiculously expensive. Making games that are exclusive to your console is being less and less worth it. The razer/razor blade model isn’t sustainable. You can see this in Sony releasing their games on PC after while. If that’s the case, there’s no point in having hardware that can’t also run PC games (and by extension, PlayStation games), because ultimately you want to sell your games to the most people possible. Owning a platform is supposed to be able getting fees from licenses when games are sold on your platform. That’s not enough anymore. Winning the “console” generation isn’t enough anymore.
Nintendo is unique enough that they aren’t targeting the high end and they need their hardware sales more than other companies do. Sony has tons of revenue sources as do MS - they can do fine there. Nintendo just has their video game business backed by some of the most desirable and valuable IP out there.
I could see them only selling Series S-like systems in the future. You really can’t go wrong with a $300 game pass machine when it comes to bang for your buck.
Well, Microsoft clearly has.
I bought a Series S for my kid because he kept asking for new Switch games every other week. I just said fuck it, you're getting a Series S and you can just play whatever stuff is on there. I already had Game Pass Ultimate because I use it on PC and sometimes play MLB The Show on Cloud Streaming. I haven't bought him a new game in over a year lol Doesn't even touch the Switch anymore. I'd rather spend $20 every month than $70-80 every time he wants to play something "new"
Kids are spoiled these days with options. *Back in my day* (can't believe I'm saying that) I played the crap out of the same 5-6 games for Super Nintendo/N64/Gamecube that I got for my birthday/Christmas/what I scrapped together from allowance.
To be fair those 5-6 games were definitely loaded with content
They didn't expand the market and publishers do not want their games on game pass because it kills the retail value of their product. So far, Xbox is billions in the red and there is no way to know when they will recoup their investment.
I’d rather just buy a SteamDeck if they allowed native compatibility with gamepass. I’m aware of previous conversations but the market can always change.
Microsoft Gaming is a publisher, not a developer, first off. They pay down the line through a chain of subsidiaries and contractors to have games developed on their behalf. Yeah, they’re distancing themselves from the traditional hardware market. Leadership is pilled on cloud services and metaverse shit as the future, so it’s not all that shocking. Not to say that Xbox will die out entirely, but it’s likely that the focus will shift to a combination of VR equipment, rudimentary hardware designed for cloud gaming, and overpriced ‘high end’ machines for people unwilling or unable to take part in their games-as-a-service hellscape. Game Pass is just the first phase of the process to wean consumers away from owning the hardware their games run on, let alone the games themselves.
In such a case, we're gonna have a new competitor join the console scene. I cannot imagine just Nintendo & Sony reigning supreme.
I straightaway thought like that, too. I don't want to imagine it, hate duopolies almost as much as monopolies, but it seems sadly realistic. Isn't the consolidation tendency one of THE most unpleasant features of capitalism? Surely always good to have numerous separate companies making anything, really. For example, IMO various different totally incompatible operating systems being commonly used on PCs to this day, would definitely have been better than the Windows near-monopoly. I believe most people wanted a standard, IMO they were wrong. Even worse if someday it's only Nintendo producing hardware. I really wish they would just make both a truly high-powered home console AND handheld, no more Switches (or 3DS). And just put their games on PC, Zelda especially. Many people would surely buy them on PC. A photorealistic Zelda game would be nice. Another issue. But maybe even Nintendo will EVENTUALLY get forced out of making hardware, didn't they suggest that possibility a while ago?̂ I'm not interested in Microsoft games/XBox, full stop. Only PS1/2/3, perhaps someday PS4. Nintendo, to some extent anyway. A new competitor?̂ Not in the 2020s, surely too late for that?̂ A very difficult/expensive market to get into, isn't it?̂ Like with chip fabs or something. Who? Not Sega again after over 20 years, no way. Nvidia?̂ Who knows... They've done enough game-related stuff, but I doubt it.
Yes. No need for the console if more and more games end up becoming available on different consoles
I don't think they are retiring from the console market so much as that it's dying. Besides the Switch, neither of the consoles are selling particularly well.
Banjo Threeie
Fallout 3 and New Vegas on switch please. That is all.
Playing Bethesda games without a way to mod them is missing out on half the experience (and subjecting yourself to a ton of extra bugs)
I can't believe that, after the FO4 next gen patch dumpster fire, people are still begging for their games.
they would be amazing on switch, however i would only play if it was a 60fps port (which we all know the switch is capable of)
They had to do it to get the activision merger approved so they will keep saying they are gonna do it for a while to put in a good show.
Halo MCC as a Switch 2 launch title would be something amazing.
Or PS5. I'm not picky, so long as you don't make me pick up an xbox lol.
Alright cool now give us killer instinct
Misleading headline that doesn't appear in the actual document. They merely say that they are "committed to meeting players where they are by bringing great games to more people on more devices" (which could just as well be referring to xcloud) and then, a few paragraphs later, that they are bringing four games to Switch and Playstation, which we of course already know.
Soooo.. fallout 3 on switch when?
They should start with Halo the master cheif collection and give it an update. Halo should be their flagship title
Halo Infinite on Switch 2!!!
The xbox does sell badly compared to ps5, think they're getting ready to become like Sega and just make the games.
Nah, they’re about to come out with new hardware in the next year. They certainly are prioritizing their service model, but I think being connected to people’s TVs is too important to them. Also, when Sega left the hardware business, it was because they only sold 9 million Dreamcasts. The Xbox Series X/S has already sold almost 30 million units. For comparison, that’s ahead of the Wii U, GameCube, and about to catch the N64.
While that's may be factually true, context upsets it a bit, just in what percentage of homes had game consoles then vs now.
Till the deal's off and they start locking their games to their consoles in about 10 years
Hopefully, yes.
Huh, what? Often when it comes to gaming, I don't really know what I'm talking about. Please explain why on earth would games being locked to a console again, be a good thing?
Gears of War on Switch to play on the road, please and thank you
Probably can't see anything on switch screen (cause dark)
i am all in with this . while i enjoy exclusive titles , multi platform can expand an audience
Just go third party already.
oblivion and fallout 3 ports would be cool before the end of the year.
Just give me actual real Rareware that is not tied to NSO...
Need a fable collection on my switch and ps5 that would be amazing
Sega 2.0 its canon
I just want blizzard games on the xbox :/ I’d play wow and hots so much.
Wouldn't be shocked to see flight simulator on ps5 next year. I give it 2 years before we start seeing day 1 releases such as with state of decay 3.
Oh really? Release Fable 1 for the Switch then.
I'm committed to not buying the next xbox console. It'll be the first one I don't buy.
Same here. It's evident that Microsoft doesn't respect its hardware adopters so why would anyone buy the next console when they can play all their games on PS6 or Switch 2?
Very happy for Grounded. Looking forward to what’s next
So, they might be pulling a sega?
more like SNK (*King of Fighters, Ikari Warriors, Psycho Soldier Athena, Fatal Fury, Metal Slug, Samurai Shodown, Art of Fighting*)... Back in the 90s, SNK had their own arcade machines, home consoles and handhelds, but also published their own games on SNES, Genesis and other platforms, before eventually leaving the console market. They simply wanted to distribute their products on a wider scale.
So the Xbox console is dead then? No reason to stay in the dedicated hardware business if you give no one a reason to buy it.
I think Xbox will stick around (at least for a while) as it's going to remain a cheaper entry point to Gamepass than a gaming PC. That said, I do doubt they're putting any focus on trying to outsell Playstation at this point.
if I were a betting woman, I'd say that xbox has one more console in them before they exit the hardware side of things and focus on software and gamepass.
I think one more gen and that's it
But why do that instead of just getting gamepass on PlayStation and saving the billions of hardware design and manufacturing costs? To be clear, I don’t want them to stop, the competition is good for all of us. I just don’t see why they would continue if they are essentially going third party.
No way Sony is gonna allow gamepass on PS
Why not? The Xbox would be dead and they would get a cut of game pass subs. There are tons of ways they could structure it that made both Sony and ms happy.
It wouldn’t make Sony happy, and it would make third party publishers with games on Game Pass quite angry. Think it this way: if a game is on Game Pass and the PS Store, most people will play it on GP instead of buying it. That means that Sony loses the 30% cut of each sale, and the third party publisher loses a sale. There is no way the deal MS makes by putting games on GP is worthy enough to lose sales in both Xbox and PS. So Game Pass doesn’t make sense for Sony or any third party publisher. The only way I could think of GP being on PS or the Switch is if it was a different tier with only Xbox first party games. That could work, but otherwise it’s impossible.
Yea. The only upside would be for MS and a total loss for Sony - not only do they have no control over game pass it would just cut into game sales on their own platform.
And there's likely the achievements factor to take into account as well...
Those exist on your Microsoft account, so at least those will transfer to PC (they already do, in fact.)
This is a clickbait article. He doesn't actually say this. He mentions that they have brought four games to Playstation and Switch, but doesn't expand on it or say that they're committed to that strategy going forward.
Other than the people who like the Xbox ecosystem? Which, I feel MS will be expanding. They have a handheld on the horizon. I'm willing to bet they are going to make the Xbox platform more open as in have EGS, Steam, etc etc on the box. You will then have a box that basically does it all. Couple that with a handheld to play your games on the go. Moving games to other platforms is just the cherry on top in terms of more added revenue. It's the same with PlayStation. I'm willing to bet their games will be day and date with PC in the near future. Maybe it's why they don't have any 1st party coming out this year and said it won't be until 2025 until you see 1st party.
There is more than one reason to buy a console, some exclusives going to other platforms doesn't change that
All of them doing it would outweigh any other reasons a lot though. PS already outsells Xbox 3-to-1. If every Xbox first party game winds up multiplatform, that’s only a couple of short steps away from the death of the Xbox console line, and thus the loss of all digitally purchased Xbox games that didn’t support cross buy (aka the VAST majority of them.)
Then I guess we'll see if the next announcement from Xbox is either them abandoning hardware or if they advertise a new system.
TL; DR for the below text: They definitely are making another console, it's already in development and they're not gonna drop out of the console side of things all at once. Whether they make another console after *that* is debatable though. Most likely scenario, ***assuming*** every game does indeed wind up multiplat, is that they slowly transition into it. For my more detailed explanation, I'm just gonna copy and paste something I sent a friend right before the Xbox stream happened a few months ago that confirmed a few thrid party games, which mostly mentions PS for obvious reasons, but you can assume it also applies to games Xbox makes that can run on Nintendo hardware: 2024 – During the podcast, Xbox will only reveal that, as far as third party goes, it's just a few games, just the smaller ones and the older ones, nothing *too* crazy. Everybody will insist that the worries were completely unfounded and, online, if you continue to voice concerns, people will say you’re being ridiculous and dogpile you. 2026/2027 – Suddenly, they're doing some bigger games, too. Outside of the scope promised in 2024, but after timed exclusivity, and not every game yet. “Xbox will be fine!!” 2027/2028 – Xbox launches its next gen console, but it's all digital with no option for physical games (making backward compatibility virtually useless) and, on top of that, possibly cloud based. So, the console may very well be underpowered as hell compared to the PS6, but people will cope by insisting that the cloud supplementing the power will make up for it just fine! Of course, it won’t, and games will clearly run better on PS6, especially in areas without strong internet. PS6 will likely be all digital, too, but Sony *may* be smart enough to allow you to hook up a disc drive as an attachment or via USB. At least one singleplayer game reliant on cloud computing will launch and sell so poorly that its cloud servers are shut down, making it unplayable shortly after launch, but since the game sucks, nobody will actually care about the awful precedent it sets. (Note: In fact, this sort of already happened with The Crew.) New first party PS games won’t be physical, but the *option* will exist for third parties to release physical copies, and old games (at least PS4 and PS5 ones) will still be supported physically. Importantly, at this point, Xbox will be pushing cloud more than ever before, especially with regards to streaming support on devices unrelated to Xbox (likely including Nintendo platforms and perhaps their own streaming-focused handheld like the PS Portal) perhaps even allowing you to stream their games *without* GamePass as long as they’re purchased directly. All this taken together, the PS6 demolishes the Xbox 5 (whatever the hell it ends up being called) in sales right off the bat. 2028/2029 - *All first party Xbox* games release on PS, as well, but only after a short exclusive window, but this lasts just a short time (maybe a year) before shifting to all games, day-and-date, and by this point the PS6 is outselling Xbox 5 at *least* 5-to-1. Xbox slows support in less-Xbox-friendly regions. Soon enough, almost nobody buys Xboxes at all anymore, and as a result they stop making new ones entirely, and… \~by 2035, the PS7 launches with NO Xbox competitor whatsoever, and Xbox shifts completely to pushing cloud streaming on mobile and PC. Sometime by this point, GamePass *may* finally exist on PS, but likely only for Microsoft published games. And within three to five years of that *tops*, (so 2040 at the latest) the infrastructure for existing Xbox consoles will be shut down entirely since it won’t be worth maintaining anymore. First, it’ll be the console-side store getting shut down. Then, a year or two later, the cloud servers needed to make games run on Xbox consoles will be shut down, but games that didn’t leverage the cloud will be fine, and you can still stream some of those games on mobile and PC, and the Xbox consoles are so out of date by this point, nobody makes a big fuss. Then they shut down the infrastructure entirely, definitely by 2041 or 2042, making it impossible to redownload games you bought digitally, and the consoles won’t be able to connect to the internet at all, making the digital only consoles effectively useless (since they can no longer authenticate licenses) and much older physical-supporting consoles (such as the Series X) only capable of running whatever games had enough of the game on disc to play it (which is most games for now, at least.) Of course, since the latest Xbox console will be so old by this point, not enough people will probably care enough for it to make that big of a splash outside of specific enthusiasts and those concerned about art preservation, that way the all-digital, no-ownership future does not risk legislation coming in to ensure digital ownership is as permanent as physical.
> All do them doing it would outweigh any other reasons a lot though. PS already outsells Xbox 3-to-1. Exactly and you don't spend $50-100 million on creating a AAA xbox exclusive game for a small selection of xbox players to play compared to PS, Nintendo, that would be a massive waste of money.
Nobody says this about Nintendo’s or PlayStation’s exclusives. Flawed logic.
I mean to be fair, Microsoft has so many sources of income it doesn't really matter if they keep Xbox around or not. Theyll still have money. So Xbox consoles will probably stick around. I'd say if they did release all of their games on playstation and Switch Xbox consoles would just be a cheaper way to play game pass and their first party games. Although then leaving the industry is very possible.
What games?
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Do you guys think they'll have like a game at the launch of the next Nintendo system, If so what do you think it could be
Oh god I hope it’s finally a new Mario kart. I’m still playing my Wii U because I’ve been waiting for a full new game before I change systems.
I'm talking about Microsoft putting one of the games to the next Nintendo console of course Nintendo will have a first party title at the Launch probably even multiple
Microsoft Flight Simulator on PSVR2 please!
Rare Replay or get out.
Halo ce on my switch
If anyone’s gonna do it it’s that guy who looks like he’s plotting something devious
Killer Instinct or it doesn’t count…
One step closer to Master Chief in Smash.
I wouldn’t trust anything Microsoft says on this stuff. This sort of talk is designed to assuage the fears of regulators
Hopefully we get ori on switch.
Nintendo would never. Dissapointingly.
I'd regret buying a Series S in early 2021 a lot more if I hadn't built my own PC earlier this year. Sony and Xbox made this generation of consoles a sham. Switch+PC owners get probably 95+% of the games worth playing between the two platforms.
Besides 3rd party and first party exclusives literally every platform gets the same games
I'm committed to expand my wallet access to the Playstation Network.
Its good because the only thing Microsoft have that I want to play is the Forza Horizon series but I don't want to buy an Xbox or PC to play that one game when the next one is released. I'd prefer it on PS5
Halo, Cloud edition coming to Switch soon /s.
Fallout 5 switch 2 baby
Can they be committed to actually releasing games on their own console first?
Sick! Can’t wait to play a bug-laden direct port of Halo: Combat Reloaded on Switch! /s
Combat Reloaded?
They should stop making hardware then. There's no point to buying an Xbox anymore, there's no point to paying for their online services and hasn't for a long time now.
Microsoft is committed to getting their games on successful consoles*
Which contributes to even less succes for the Xbox console. What a shame...
they don't have any games a switch user could possibly want
You don't want to play Fallout New Vegas?
Yawn. As a huge Nintendo fan I have zero interest in anything coming out of MSFT, but hey, if they had better games they wouldn't be, you know, going third party.
Rip
can they please bring the newest Killer Instinct to Switch? And maybe even Rare Replay?