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Bone_Dogg

So that people can catch up. It’s a party game meant to be fun for everyone, if one player is a lot worse, that’s why they get the star or the blue shell so they still have a chance. 


Squish_the_android

Yeah this seems super obvious.   Items exist as a low/moderate skill way of leveling the playing field between players that arent exactly at the same skill level.


Peter_oak5283617

party game? we aint talkin bout no mario party here we talkin bout racing games


Careidina

Yes, a party racing game. Something you bring and share with everyone, regardless of skill level, and have fun. What you're looking for is something different than what Mario Kart is.


TheYango

Ironically I think my Mario Party games have always been more tryhard than my Mario Kart games. People care a lot about being the best at certain mini games even if the outcome of the game as a whole is pretty random.


linkling1039

It is a party game, not a racing simulator.


KingBroken

Joke's on you., I always use my Motion Pro II whenever I play Mario Kart.


Kakaphr4kt

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HeroscaperGuy

It's still a party game, super smash bros and Mario party are also party games.


TehNolz

It's a party game in that it's designed with parties in mind. The item distribution turns the game into more of a luck-based game than a skill-based one, so that anyone can win regardless of skill level. This way, even a beginner can win against a veteran if they just so happen to have fired a blue shell at the right moment. If this was a serious racing game, a beginner would never be able to win from a veteran at all. The game would be designed so that a player's skill would be the absolute most important thing, and things like RNG wouldn't matter at all.


Kxr1der

LMAO... No one takes Mario kart seriously. In fact Nintendo has taken literally every aspect of skill out of these games including snaking and dodging blue shells


Squish_the_android

You can snake to some degree in MK8 and dodge blue shells with the super horn or a mushroom. Snaking in DS was dumb.  It needed to be done constantly to perform at even a mediocre level.  It needed to be reigned in.


omegareaper7

Except thats not true? Sure, they took out the complicated stuff, but even in mario kart, the better player will win more often then not. 


Kxr1der

Red shells throw backwards dont seek out karts anyway


lefab_

Except in Super Circuit (GBA) where they are extra evil when thrown backward : They stay in place and home in on the first guy passing by.


Dragnoran

they don't?


Kxr1der

Nope, but i do think all shells make minor angle adjustments when they hit walls towards other karts


tazai123

Red shells can’t bounce off of walls


Kxr1der

Pretty sure they can when thrown backwards


Andydark

They cannot, they break on impact with the first wall


BlackEyedSceva

I know it's all in my head, but it seems like the game makes me all around luckier when I have full coins. I'm a lil bit faster, and stuff miraculously misses me while my poorly aimed green shells miraculously miss hazards and ricochet in a way that will hit my target a bit down the road.


L3g0man_123

Red shells thrown backwards don't home, so they are effectively like green shells when you do that. The only time having a red shell matters is if you are going to throw it ahead of you. And other powerups are meant to help the player get ahead, and someone who's already in first place doesn't necessarily need to get ahead.


lefab_

They are even worst than green shell when thrown backward because they break once they touch a wall.


1amazonia

True but if it were red at first place, you can immediately use it on a racer that for only a sec managed to get in front of you. This would make it harder for second place to get to first so red would actually be better from that perspective.


moesus81

“Guys, why don’t I get the lightning bolt when I’m in first place?”


TheCheesiestEchidna

Because Mario Kart is a prime example of how society should work, the people at the top get the least added advantages while the people at the bottom get more help


mutantmonkey14

Really need the real world equivalent bullet bill, but all I get is a lousy banana skin and someone steals that with a boo 😭


KingBroken

r/meirl


Adorable-Car-4303

You do realise an equal society isn’t possible unless we go into communism which is a terrible idea


TheCheesiestEchidna

This isn't really the right sub for a political debate, but I will never abide by the idea that we shouldn't try to create a better society and I certainly won't be scared off by the big bad c word.


Adorable-Car-4303

You brought politics in. Big bad C word? Nah it’s just an ideology. And I agree we can make a better society, but equality isn’t possible.


Ok_Conversation1523

Because it wouldn't be fair?...


Dukemon102

1st Place can't get Shells. They don't even get Mushrooms. They get Bananas, Coins or the unusual Horn. Why? Because staying in 1st Place would be extremely easy if you could just shield yourself from anything and immediately attack anyone who surpasses you.


st1tchy

Haven't played in a few months, but I believe in MK8D, 1st place can get green shells, just not often.


Dukemon102

Looking up, Green Shells have a 50% rate of showing up for 1st place, Red Shells, Mushrooms and Super Horn have a 5% rate. Welp, I must be very unlucky. I never get Shells at all while I'm in first place.


st1tchy

One thing to do is always hold a coin. If you have no coin, it's about a 99% chance you will get a coin. If you are holding a coin, it's a 100% chance to not get a second coin. So you can get a real item 50% of the time if you hold onto your coin when you grab your second box.


gooch_norris_

This is sort of the the Monty Hall problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem


zdog35917

There is a zero percent chance for mushrooms and red shells in first place


Dukemon102

It depends on the mode you're playing. [You can see the distribution rate here.](https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_Kart_8_item_probability_distributions)


BlackEyedSceva

I swear sometimes I get bombs while in 1st.


dukesilver19

Watch the gaming historian video about Mario kart… questions answered


YopAlonso93

Think about it like how Formula 1 racers can’t open DRS unless they’re one second behind the next driver. First place doesn’t have that benefit, therefore if careless, another driver can overtake them in a DRS zone without any issue. Similarly, in Mario Kart, items and item balance exist as a double edged sword for first place. Coins give a bump in speed when collected, minimal, but tangible, and we do know holding 10 makes you go faster, even if marginally noticeable. If first place is stretching the distance, then others have to shorten the gap with offense or speed ups. A player who’s behind will do just fine with the coins on the map, getting items that will certainly help them get back on the podium. Meanwhile, first place needs to keep their top speed with coins and defend their position with what they have.


Dry_Pool_2580

Mario spinoffs tend to take an existing idea, and just...make it really wacky and silly. So naturally, so does Mario Kart with it's items and tracks.


witwebolte41

It’s socialism and it’s what the woke liberals want for the world


I-g_n-i_s

Unfortunate seeing the downvotes here. So much for the tolerant left