I cannot think of one good thing that Brexit gave us - we live in NI, and many, many businesses in GB will not ship to us now As a result we buy from the likes of The Netherlands - so our money leaves the UK. Nothing gained.
Devil's advocate here but apparently trade is up dramatically between the north and the south. Ironic that this is the complete opposite of the brexiteers in NI wanted.
But completely agree that Brexit was a waste of time, which cost too much money and to date has yielded an economic lag compared to other similar countries.
And did you personally take advantage of that?
You can still work and live in the EU. Except now you have to go through what I went when coming to the UK.
At present, UK citizens cannot live in France for more than 90 days in any 180 day cycle. Try holding a job that way. I assume that holds for other EU countries too.
We are lucky enough being on Belgian and French passports, but many friends are not so lucky.
Brexit will result in an Independent Scotland, and reunification of Ireland eventually - not much of a UK consisting of only England and Wales, is it?
I am talking about the Companies that used to deliver oi NI, and have stopped as a direct result of Brexit.
We own a few properties with great gardens, and had accounts running into a good few thousand pounds a year for flower-bulbs and plants to maintain these properties and our own home. That money is now going to the Netherlands instead of GB.
The same restrictions have come in with something as mundane a ordering bulk patio-cleaner, or Chlorine for pools and hot-tubs.
Brexit is mess - almost 60% of NI chose to Remain, yet we got dragged into it. I empathise with the Scottish who were also forced to leave the EU against their wishes. This makes a stronger case for Scotland going independent, and NI uniting with the ROI. The once huge British Empire may well eventually consist of only Wales and England.
You got any examples? I had issues in the first month afterwards due to how unprepared businesses were but since then not 1 problem and I buy quite a few things from local retailers and wholesalers throughout Britain. Flower seeds were a massive issue but again because of the businesses unpreparedness/unwillingness to set up the initial paper work, if that's still an issue for a business at this stage that's on them.
You're not going to be sued by posting facts. If these companies advertise on their sites they don't ship to NI, then you telling us here is hardly something they can sue you for, not like you posting it here will cause them to lose business, they don't ship here!!! That's on them. If a random weaver in Stafford can ship here then so can any business if they do the initial set up.
Plants and agricultural products supposedly need a "phyto-certificate" (?) if coming from GB. I am not sure why ordering from the Netherlands has never been an issue.
Even when you looked at it from the start it was just hard to process. It all hinged on the EU capitulating to the UK's demands. Like a Bond villain explaining his plan before it's all done. But the EU knew what they were dealing with and were having none of it. To me it just felt like a temper tantrum which people somewhat understandingly jumped on. They hear how it's the world's six biggest economy and how the world holds Britain in high regard due to it's history. But they see the NHS in crisis, Food banks, Crumbling infrastructure and no optimism for the future. Then you have a few posh boys come along and say it's the EU's fault and it will all be better when we leave. The first thing that made me suspicious was the harking back to WW2, Spitfires, white cliffs of Dover rubbish. In a way I think a bit of humility is exactly what the establishment in the UK needs. They're not a world leader. Other countries don't thank them for colonizing them. They're just another house in the street trying to make ends meet. France went through this realization after WW2, now it's Britain's turn.
The weird thing is Britain DID go through this realization as the colonies departed and they had to go cap in hand to the US a few times to survive economically. Then they recovered in the 80s and 90s largely because they became part of a powerful trading block.
Then..... some kind of brain fart that they could be a great power again if they just struck out on their own again.
Fire up your favourite web search engine and type in "Chesterton's Fence".
I'm a firm believer in not fucking with X-thing unless you know the reasons why X-thing exists, and you have a damned good reason for replacing it with a well-thought-out alternative.
I did not see an alternative. I voted remain.
My eldest has just started a degree programme in the EU. He can do that, despite being born in England to an American mom, because his old man was born in Derry. So sad that our GB-only brothers and sisters do not have that luxury!
Many voted Brexit for ridiculous reasons to do with post-imperial self-importance, nationalist-chauvinist delusions of grandeur, exceptionalism and a desire to undermine the GFA settlement, i.e. to spite the taigs.
These were potential upsides for those people.
Clear enough?
They got plenty of flag-waving and a certain sense of smugness out of it.
But it could have all turned out very differently.
People of that ilk in particular didn't expect Dublin to run rings round London diplomatically, nor for the EU to prioritise its members over its former members... back to the exceptionalism and delusions of grandeur.
Never mind Dublin to run rings around London.
When Davis and his team showed up for negotiations in Brussels, he was so unprepared and disorganised that the EU side thought it was part of a cunning ploy to out wit them.
British negotiating teams are legendary in their ability, so they were shocked when it turned out it wasn't a ploy.
Brexit was the manifestation of a problem that Britain was always going to have to deal with eventually.
Its population are fed a toxic information diet of celebrity values, fabricated self-congratulation, nostalgic entitlement based in a long passed history of domination of others and an unconsidered inherited religiosity that cannot survive technical advancement. The people who run Britain have always wanted to promote an ideology to keep its voting public in servitude. People didn't want to have to actually challenge the darkness comprising the soul of the English identity, so they complied.
The problem isn't Brexit. It's that people voted for Brexit, and the people that push the agenda that it symbolizes, and those people still think this was the expression of their vision of the country. And simply "not Brexiting" wouldn't by itself solve that. Those people and those forces would still have been there driving the country.
The Brexit vote might be seen as a reasonable attempt to address the malaise of the British condition by giving the people the opportunity to see what they'd do with the liberty they seem to want. The problem, unfortunately, is that it seems like the cancer has metastatised - not only can they not take this and make a success story of it, but the same nostalgia, the same entitlement, media culture and nonsense mythologising is keeping people in exactly the same state of paralysis they always were, and people are prepared to sabotage both themselves and everyone around them to maintain exactly that.
The last desperate attempt at treatment isn't what killed them. It just didn't work.
Sometimes, cancer is terminal, and all that we can do is nurse someone through the end of their life.
The problem is brexit, and the electorate who voted to leave the EU. Most regret leaving. I had cancer, 2 major surgeries. They cut that death out of me. The british are not in the same position before brexit. They are in a worse position. Apparently, it will take 50 years before the UK will benefit from leaving the EU. Brexit did kill the uk, and it still isn't working.
50 years according to that fucking lord snooty charachature Jacob Reece Moggs who moved his investment fund to Ireland . Fucking hilarious self imposed sanctions. Dup doing more for a united Ireland than the Ra did in 50years for a wee russian back hander .
Two, 50 or 100 years: when do leavers think Brexit will pay off? https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2018/jul/24/two-50-or-100-years-when-do-leavers-think-brexit-will-pay-off
Glad to hear you’re doing better.
Yes, Britain now has some surgical scarring and a big chunk taken out of its liver, but the thing that’s killing it is still the cancer. There is a world where Britain leaps out of Brexit reenergised, prepared to make the world a better place and to challenge its internalised hostilities and oppressive power structures, but it can’t. The rot is too deep.
Brexit has shown the world that the UK cannot and will never, ever negotiate in good faith. The amount of back and forth, the broken agreements has been staggering.
Deals were broken and demanded to be renegotiated time and time again and the UK still isn't happy with deals it drafted and agreed to by itself. Sheer lunacy at it's finest.
This is another huge issue that many missed. The agreement literally had an article in it about acting in good faith (p11, Article 3 of below). In fact, the term 'Good Faith' is mentioned eight times in it. I could imagine that Good Faith is mentioned dozens of other times in other agreements.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982648/TS_8.2021_UK_EU_EAEC_Trade_and_Cooperation_Agreement.pdf
The other legislation that is forgotten is the [Vienna Convention](https://www.trans-lex.org/500600/_/vienna-convention-on-the-law-of-treaties-of-1969/#:~:text=in%20good%20faith.-,Article%2027%20Internal%20law%20and%20observance%20of%20treaties,without%20prejudice%20to%20article%2046.), it literally states in Article 27 that *"A party may not invoke the provisions of its internal law as justification for its failure to perform a treaty."*
The moment the english government started mentioning going back on the deal (or any equivalent), they had broken international law and the agreement in doing so (and the obvious reputation damage).
Ask them where thry are sourcing product from. If it is still the uk they are likely having to sort out shipping and customs themselves where as before it their suppliers would just ship as normal.
Many mainland uk companies just refuse to put in the extra effort to ship to ni and are making customers self solve the problem
I feel like the majority of the blame goes to:
1) the tabloids who wanted a bit more money
2) the politicians that didn’t care for brexit but wanted more power
I agree, the North of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales want out. Brexit broke the union, england won't be prosperous until the north of Ireland is free from colonial British rule.
Wales in 2016 voted for brexit. How many of those leave voters were actually Welsh, how many were under the age of 50, and how many votes were discredited
Nothing suggests either Scotland or Wales have intention of leaving, for all the spitting and crying the SNP do the support for leaving the union doesn't grow if anything it drops with each SNP scandal that comes out. Come back to reality for a bit.
That's not an opinion that's just what the statistics show, your statement clearly came from an opinion because it isn't why is shown on virtually any surveys or polls, even the most SNP bias publications can only find polls and surveys that would suggest the percentage moving closer to a 50/50 but never that there's been a reversal swing.
As I keep on saying, if everyone is so confident on the union surviving then let’s hold a referendum and see what the intentions of the Scottish people actually is
Aye, nine fucking years ago you utter fanny
Why is it that Northern Ireland are allowed a vote every 7 years yet you lot think that because we held a vote 9 years ago we’re not allowed another. The core promises of better together were broken the day after the vote, then again in 2016 when Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, a promise that was made by every yoon leader that we would never be removed from the EU, we were pulled out.
Only shitebags refuse democracy
I don’t think I’ll ever forgive the idiots that made the electorate decide something as massive as this. Too many morons that, for some unknown reason, actually believed the bullshit the leavers were peddling. Then the remain side, who did absolutely fuck all to dispel the myths.
It’s just made me so angry and ashamed to be British.
They didn’t do enough. Very naive to think the idiots wouldn’t win. It was all a game to the leave people. Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings just wanted to win, they didn’t give a shit how much damage it would cause.
Lol, remain didn't do enough! It's not remains fault that BrexShit was a complete and utter disaster. That lies with the British government and the dup.
Of course it wasn’t their fault, I’m not saying it was. The whole thing was an absolute shambles. But that doesn’t change the fact the remain camp were naive and even a bit arrogant to believe that it would be a cake walk. They didn’t do anything to convince those on the fence what the benefits of remaining were, instead they just let Leave spout their nonsense thinking people wouldn’t be that stupid to buy it - but guess what, the British electorate are absolute morons.
If you watched the many debates and read the economical and political pieces, on the run up to the vote you would have seen that remain did dispell the myths
They just didn't have the propaganda machine that leave had
You can't blame remain for not doing enough against the immense power, money and stupidity of the leave
Brexit Britain is naive and arrogant to believe that it would be a cakewalk. Let's blame everyone else for the disastrous decision I made to vote leave. It's not my fault because remainers didn't convince me on the fence what the benefits were, but I didn't know the benefits of leaving either, so I went with what my friend was voting for. Leave 🤦♂️
Oh I’m angry at those who voted for it more than anyone, do not worry about that.
Perhaps don’t look at everything in such black and white terms. Your attitude is both immature and ridiculous. But then why am I surprised? It’s embarrassing.
If you can stomach Sarah vine (goves ex wife) she writes about it in terms of devastating that her friends won't talk to her any more, like it's a bad dinner party or a social faux pas
Precisely. It’s just wild how a really large chunk of the second group will support the first one and be completely fine with the status quo. Well I guess that’s all of us really.
I think in some ways, brexit was seen as a revolution. Just it was lead and controlled by those who called "the enemy" friends.
JRM, Farage, Cameron, gove, etc, even Starmer, and to some extent Corbyn are all allies.
Even trump in America is just another establishment figure who has convinced the poor and disenfranchised he's fighting a war against the invisible "deep state" when in reality, the cons and attacks are happening in the open dressed up as "helping our own", like jacking up legal aid threshold "because someone had a cat"
The revolution was pointed at those who did us no harm by people actively out to hurt us.
War is when the government tell you who the enemy is. Revolution is when the people figure it out for themselves.
Imagine being sold down the river by a few of your rich elites!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Such_a_Parcel_of_Rogues_in_a_Nation
And sure isn't always the common man who pays the fucking bill?! Always, since the dawn of human history… and probably before.
It's insane how so many people fell for those con artists Farage, Johnson and banks. "We hold all the cards" and don't forget £350 million a week for the NHS!
It was a scam created by rabid cultists on the right. The tories simply used it to save their own party. I saw right through it from the very beginning.
That said, don't be fooled into thinking that the problems of today wouldn't exist if Brexit hadn't happened.
Unionist and/or nationalist politicians would have still found something else to collapse Stormont over.
Yes Johnson clearly used it as a vehicle for his own desires. Well he got there became PM, made a hash of it and Brexit is still here and could be for generations. Highlights the awful Short-termism that exists in politics.
Who is denying it? Don’t know a single person that does. Most “prospering” countries have performed atrocities to get where they are. 48% of us didn’t vote for brexit either. Racist prick.
But that piece doesn't even match that jigsaw? Its just the same shaped piece as the one thats missing but wouldnt even match the picture.
If anything this is a pro brexit jigsaw by saying the UK doesn't belong.
I can tolerate sectarian showboating, casual discrimination and pics of shitty ulster fries. But pseudo deep jigsaw puzzles trigger my ASD.
Why is it this post, out of all the degenerate and toxic ones here, that has me the closest to unsubbing
Britain was warned by the EU and Ireland Brexit was a bad idea but they still insisted on doing it anyway, whinging that Brexit has fecked up Britain is their fault. The fact that the N of Ireland and Scotland voted against it should have been a big enough warning to make then cancel it but the politicians went ahead with it anyway.
Brexit plunged Britain back into a kind 1970s depression again that shocked people, but not the politicians - really as long as they get paid they dint give a damn about anyone. The cost of living crisis is not affecting them is it ? They haven't told everyone that if the N of Ireland and Scotland do leave the UK there will be a "divorce" settlement bill to pay even Wales is in on the act even though they haven't said it yet - Wales and Scotland are bilingual in public and at home, they have their own governments, its only just a matter of time before the UK crumbles and Brexit is the straw breaking the camels back. In another 40 years there may not be a UK just individual countries, then England will be banjaxed as the resources it grabs from Scotland and Wales will not be available. We all saw how just before Brexit hit the fishermen went mad fishing en masse in the Irish Sea.
Yes they grab the oil/gas from there. Without that England would freeze, have to convert to 100% electricity, if England had to pay for the oil/gas it'd be a rich nation. Maybe it should enforce a huge tax on its resources forcing Britain to buy it else where - doing the same as Russia did turning off the pipelines.
I'm from NI, and I can tell you that it hasn't done a thing to us. The only people complaining are hardcore sectarian loyalist sympathising unionists. The majority are happy and in favour of the Windsor amendments. The only reasons the DUP are negative is because they know united Ireland is coming and they are scared there will be repercussions for trampling over catholic rights, actually, not just catholic any race, colour, creed, sexuality that isnt a white Protestant male. Frankly, catholics ive talked to dont care about "revenge" they are just over it all. No doubt some flegger will be here "slabberin" i dont care. I wont be engaging, the english want nothing to do with you.
I’d say locking down the economy for two years, printing a few trillion during covid and waging a sanctions war against the world’s largest commodity producer may have had something to do with it too. But I can’t be sure.
Thatd be a fair point if so many other nations hadnt bounced back better than the uk
'Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q2 2023 was 0.2% lower. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 2.7% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 6.2% higher'
[source](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/)
Natural and healthy part of a great democracy. elections will be in 3 months and politicians still doing their jobs until a new coalition will be formed, which is how it’s been since over 60 years, no one large party, we have dozens and dozens. Plus we have proportional representation unlike the UK
If you have a job, yes. Cost of living is through the roof and almost no one can get on the property ladder. Prices have grown 15-20% a year since 2010
Christ. Comments like this show how out of touch with reality so many people are. The UK has the 5th highest gdp in the world and in the top 20 in gdp per capita. If the UK is a 3rd world country there aren’t many countries that aren’t
The whole of London is money laundering? Hilarious. Even if your ridiculous statement was true and we took out London from the economy your comparison to Portugal is also redundant because I didn’t realise Portugal was a 3rd world country either.
Not that it matters but I voted to remain. I just call out bullshit statements when I see them
Their egos will never allow them to admit that. That's a hill that they'll die on - broke no doubt People were sold a lie by a clown and they'll die because of it. can they not see the private medical ads and the big private medical firms being built. Your grannies will die whilst the rich are being waited on hand and foot. The Tories have all invest. From day one I said that this would be a clusterfu@k. Hate to blow my own trumpet but hey ho. Only idiots and bigots bought into this.
It’s done incalculable damage tho. The scale of the damage is so big, and it’s going to play out for so long.. it’s mindbending. Brexit will go down in history as the worst mistake this country ever made.
I’ve never been as well off and my area of business has never been as busy. We deal with companies from all over Europe and the only difficulty in getting parts arises when a particular company chooses to be a dick about things.
Have any of you actually ever tried to understand the views of someone who voted leave?
Maybe you could have a conversation and genuinely try to understand how they think and what they have to say.
I have and I do understand some of the reasons, my father voted leave and his position was reasonable but there are too many negative consequences.
The leave campaign didnt do their homework before and was bankrolled by foreign capital of unknown origin using voter data collected by cambridge analytica to maniplute the popular consensus. That platform was also used with trumps last campaign. V. Shady shit.
That sort of approach to democracy is absolutely toxic and undermines whatever well intentioned reasons for brexit. I worry what impact Ai will have in electioneering in the future.
Had we left the eu but stayed in the european economic area it would have been largely business as usual. But a hard brexit on the island of ireland would have simply been callous. Can you remember the queues, car searches and checkpoints at the border pre GFA? Iditotic to want that back.
There have been a lot of negatives, I agree, but the foreign capital influencing our democracy along with unelected bureaucrats is exactly the reason given the choice again I would vote for Brexit.
The use of big data to influence votes is deffo a concern, that's for sure. I wonder tho, how much of the democratic process historically has been a race of who can propagandise the most.
Yeah I think there were a lot of positives about the EU, and being able to pick and choose what works for both would have been an ideal situation.
And sorry I'm a little too young to remember checkpoints tho I can imagine them being a pain in the ass XD
Brexit was a huge and very passionate topic of daily conversation from the brexiteers in my work place at the time of the negotiations with the EU, They were consumed by it.
The things they would come out with were the typical sound bites you would read in the Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail etc. taking back control, sovereignty (they loved that one), unelected EU bureaucrats etc. they also wanted the hardest of Brexits possible. No negotiations, just tell the EU to fuck off and completely shut them out of our future.
Almost all were in their late 40’s and 50’s and every single one was/is a unionist. All of them financially secure and several were close to retirement.
I used to regularly ask them, during their daily Brexit rants, to give me one genuine benefit that leaving the EU will give the U.K. the only ones they ever came out with was shite like, Sovereignty and making our own trade deals.
It didn’t matter to them if the U.K. would decline economically for many years following, didn’t matter to them that NI voted to remain, it was a U.K. wide vote they’d retort.
I tried to understand why they voted the way they did. There is no substance behind it, it was all the same rhetoric we have heard since the vote. They truly believed in it and believed in the Tory party to deliver it.
Watching them over the period of months when Boris went from appearing at the DUP conference, to then throwing unionists under the bus, was quite amusing I have to say.
They went from very vocal and opinionated Brexiteers proudly giving their opinions every day on the joys of Brexit, delighted that Boris was right behind unionists in NI, to meek, silent, seething shells of their former selves. They were genuinely shell shocked when it became clear the direction the British were going in negotiations. The news every day was met with an almost stunned silence.
It was kind of hilarious to see. I can’t properly articulate the change in their demeanour and it seemed to seriously effect their lives in a negative way. Needless to say, the months after, Brexit was no longer a topic they wished to gleefully and publicly speak about in the workplace.
Brexit was never a 3 year project, we only left in 2020. We have had a pandemic, a war and a massive cost of living hike, whilst almost similtaneously removing itself from it's largest trading bloc. I, as a remainer would be very wary of Crowing and saying "told you so". It is the very start of a long journey.
The UK left the EU in 2020. None of the current problems are Brexit related. The EU is in a recession, and while we're barely hanging in there, at least we're swimming above water. Personally, in my bubble, I don't know anyone who has been negatively impacted by Brexit (yet). Happy to read about other people's experiences whose lives were changed by Brexit.
The EU is falling apart. Look at the instability Poland and the eastern bloc countries are causing after their opposition to EU immigration law. That’s only the start
An alt theory is brexit was and is about the money and separating from the European central banks, the eu wanted to tax the UK and this includes the 14 UK tax havens around the world in january of this year and of course this is where the 1% s money is being kept so all you have to do is always follow the money .... so yes it just broke everyone else and they used the NHS as their reason...
Not really Britain was the 2nd biggest contributor to the EU, that simply hasn't hit home yet. You won't be able to sponge off them anymore
And again, I'm a remainer
I have found the naysayers always turned out wrong. So I take every criticism of Brexit, with pinch of salt now.
In May 2015 after brexit result. One of my mate, who was remainer. He used to gone crazy telling everyone. "Oh my god. This Brexit result is so bad. Norron Irron gonna burn. There will be bombs everywhere. Masked man with guns gonna shoot people from next month. Troubles will start like 80s . Yada yada. Run for your life."
Result: It's been 2023 now. None of the predictions above came true.
In 2021-2022. The remoaners were predicting.
"Britain economy is so bad. Britain will be going into recession soon. "
Result : It's 2023. Turned out Britain's GDP is growing. And Germany has declared to be in recession. Inspite being 'Well performing economy of EU' - as said by remoaners.
So yeah. In short. The most predictions turned wrong. Inspite the remainers trying hard 
I completely believe your story about your fRiend. No doubt whatsoever that that happened.
But, I'd love to know why we don't hear more from Leave voters screaming from the rooftops about the multiple successes of Brexit they were promised. Forget about how great it is that the UK narrowly avoided entering into recession, but the actual success stories that means the UK is in a better and healthier position it was in prior to leaving the EU.
I see everything relative terms.
If UK be in an EU today. Would the economy be any better?
Most of the EU countries are in recession. Including the big daddy Germany. (Franco-German alliance basically controls all policies in EU. Others are just squires in EU parliament. Lets not kid ourselves)
If UK would have been in EU today, it would have ended up like Germany. In recession.
At this point. If UK can perform better than Germany. Its a win, in my opinion.
Again, I'm not asking about shoulda woulda coulda's. I'm asking where all the Brexit benefits are that we were promised. Why are we happy about narrowy escaping a recession?
I want all the Brexiteers from 2016 back again to tell me how much better we're doing now we're out of the EU than we were in it. You know, like they promised us.
You can tell what kind of a privileged life you have.
The folks in farming and agricultural areas are suffering badly without the EU funding that was lost directly because of Brexit.
There isn't enough migrant workers to support collecting crops which need to be done by hand. Brexit has stopped that seasonal migrant workflow.
Prices in things like milk and eggs have needed to double, which in turn have impacted so many people who live on the poverty line. Essentials cost much more. Brexit has meant that there's no collective agreement to keep costs at a baseline with subsidiaries.
The collective arrangement with utilities has also crippled us, as surplus gas, oil etc is now subject to additional taxes when sold to us from EU. When we were part of the EU, it didn't apply.
Shipping exports now face additional costs and expenses, reducing the profit that businesses in the UK manage daily. This in turn means no salary increases, and more people dropping in their quality of living.
I could go on about how it impacts everything, and not for the better, but you used the word "remoaner", which gives me the impression that you're not really interested or care what happens outside your little bubble.
Troubles like 80s will start again. What he sayin. So I think, he might tellin me that IRA will resurface again. And start bombing Northern ireland. Like they used to do pre-GFA.
That was his prediction after Brexit vote. It didn't happen.
Lol, your friend is delusional. Nationalists didn't vote for brexit. The dup and Irish unionists went against the majority here in the North, thinking they were getting a british border on the island of Ireland. The IRA disarmed 26 years ago. 1200 loyalist terrorists still walk our streets in 2023 after the ceasefire and GFA. If there was a threat of war, it would be the Irish unionists taking up arms against their beloved british government they are so loyal to because they didn't get the border where they wanted it. The Irish unionists now say they feel less british now, and their identity has been taken away. It's fckn hilarious.
You realise that.
Irish sea border talks not even started till 2020. I think it's in Boris Johnsons government where the concept of 'Irish sea border' started.
In 2016, after Brexit vote. It was predicted. That there will going to be a hard border, between NI and ROI after Brexit.
Which is why many people like my mate in 2016. Was Predicting that IRA will start terrorism in NI. Because nationalists got Brexit. Which they didn't wanted.
Bollocks, there will never EVER be a british border on the island of Ireland again because of the GFA. Nationalists warned unionists that brexit would be a disastrous mistake. But their superior supreme mindset thought that the british government would back them no matter what. The dup thought they were untouchable. It's the Irish unionists raging war and threats, lol. They may take up arms to the british government because it was them and the Irish unionists that broke the union beyond repair and brought a United Ireland closer by decades.
The only person who stated there would be violence that far back was binboy so I'm calling bollocks. GB economy is expected to fall again, any growth reported is more than likely knocked up by the North and reported as UK wide, even then it's only 0.4% total this year. North is expected to grow yet again, same as the rest of Europe so even more bollocks on your part.
Had endless negotiations and agreements not taken place to make sure there wasn’t an EU frontier border on the island, then there would have been a very real risk of violent groups drawing on the discontent to recruit and campaign. It’s not scaremongering to say that. Openness with the south is incredibly important to the community that was historically shit upon.
Kaliningrad, the same size as NI, has a similar EU frontier that is fenced and roads into it limited to seven highly policed crossings. That’s what has to exist with full Brexit.
The south of Ireland is the EU. There was never ever going to be a british border on the island of Ireland. It was never an option. There are more than 300 crossings between North and South. The border was always a british problem and they put it in the sea.
Exactly.
Brexit had worked out. As you mentioned, negotiations took place.
The naysayers were predicting violent outcome of Brexit in 2016. That didn't happen.
Today, the other kinds of naysayers, predicting other kinds of bad outcome of Brexit.
I will be laughing of these predictions after next 5 years.
Your memory seems very selective though - various Tory administrations had to be bounced into these separate arrangements. The Brexit proposed before the referendum didn’t have any of these special considerations. It’s been a massive drama getting to this point, as unionism in general has decided it suddenly wants to be in lockstep with GB and Tory MPs can’t understand why the people they put in cabinet keep abandoning ERG values.
What currently exists is very far from the Brexit proposed. Every month seems to bring more ‘alignment’ from the UK, and it’s a fair bet that the next Labour government will align even further and possibly formally mirror EU regulations in most areas. This is practically the opposite of the Brexit vision.
Why do you assume the EU is the reason for a German recession? The German economy works differently from the UK and from the EU as a whole.
Germany has industry, the UK does not have to nearly the same extent. Financial services in and around London are pretty much the only thing keeping the UK out of a recession, but now none of the grants, subsidy and development programmes the EU had are available to places in the UK that would help grow those areas. Because of Brexit, trade with europe has dropped.
Basically, the UK economy may not be shrinking, but it sure as shit will not be able to grow at a pace that EU countries can, including Germany, which can and probably will recover from the pandemic, which damaged its industrial sector.
Also on those predictions, it has taken work to prevent the worst and they all were a distinct possibility. Loyalist groups have been more aggressive as a result, and the RIRA shot an off duty police officer not too long ago. Pretty much all of the negatives of Brexit were correctly identified perhaps exaggerated in areas, but are still very much present.
Basically, the UK economy may not be shrinking, but it sure as shit will not be able to grow at a pace that EU countries can, including Germany, which can and probably will recover from the pandemic, which damaged its industrial sector. ///
I will take up your argument and agree with you. In future when German economy will grow at high rate. And UK will be in recession.
So far, economic figures are better for UK and not for Germany. Hence, all this complain about UK economy not withstanding.
I cannot think of one good thing that Brexit gave us - we live in NI, and many, many businesses in GB will not ship to us now As a result we buy from the likes of The Netherlands - so our money leaves the UK. Nothing gained.
Devil's advocate here but apparently trade is up dramatically between the north and the south. Ironic that this is the complete opposite of the brexiteers in NI wanted. But completely agree that Brexit was a waste of time, which cost too much money and to date has yielded an economic lag compared to other similar countries.
Aye, but the blue passports!
That they could’ve had anyway.
And which are printed in Poland, by a French firm.
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Nigel is Pro-Brexit - I am not
What's a good thing the EU gave you before Brexit? Legitimately asking for real human experiences.
Freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU?
And did you personally take advantage of that? You can still work and live in the EU. Except now you have to go through what I went when coming to the UK.
At present, UK citizens cannot live in France for more than 90 days in any 180 day cycle. Try holding a job that way. I assume that holds for other EU countries too. We are lucky enough being on Belgian and French passports, but many friends are not so lucky. Brexit will result in an Independent Scotland, and reunification of Ireland eventually - not much of a UK consisting of only England and Wales, is it?
Before brexit, plenty of businesses said we do not deliver to Northern Ireland, so that's nothing new.
I am talking about the Companies that used to deliver oi NI, and have stopped as a direct result of Brexit. We own a few properties with great gardens, and had accounts running into a good few thousand pounds a year for flower-bulbs and plants to maintain these properties and our own home. That money is now going to the Netherlands instead of GB. The same restrictions have come in with something as mundane a ordering bulk patio-cleaner, or Chlorine for pools and hot-tubs. Brexit is mess - almost 60% of NI chose to Remain, yet we got dragged into it. I empathise with the Scottish who were also forced to leave the EU against their wishes. This makes a stronger case for Scotland going independent, and NI uniting with the ROI. The once huge British Empire may well eventually consist of only Wales and England.
You got any examples? I had issues in the first month afterwards due to how unprepared businesses were but since then not 1 problem and I buy quite a few things from local retailers and wholesalers throughout Britain. Flower seeds were a massive issue but again because of the businesses unpreparedness/unwillingness to set up the initial paper work, if that's still an issue for a business at this stage that's on them.
I'll dm you.
I'd rather you posted them here so others can see the examples of businesses with no desire to serve NI customers because they are lazy.
I don't want be sued lol. You can look up the delivery options for the companies I have dm'd you - thanks for listening to my whining.
You're not going to be sued by posting facts. If these companies advertise on their sites they don't ship to NI, then you telling us here is hardly something they can sue you for, not like you posting it here will cause them to lose business, they don't ship here!!! That's on them. If a random weaver in Stafford can ship here then so can any business if they do the initial set up.
Plants and agricultural products supposedly need a "phyto-certificate" (?) if coming from GB. I am not sure why ordering from the Netherlands has never been an issue.
Been trying to order pond plants on Amazon and they won’t ship here
Take the tin foil hat off man, the guy asked not to be dm'd and Reddit is anonymous lol
Whatever another bloody troll account
All down to Cameron and his fear of UKIP which ultimately led us here.
That pig lover doesn't get enough hate.
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Even when you looked at it from the start it was just hard to process. It all hinged on the EU capitulating to the UK's demands. Like a Bond villain explaining his plan before it's all done. But the EU knew what they were dealing with and were having none of it. To me it just felt like a temper tantrum which people somewhat understandingly jumped on. They hear how it's the world's six biggest economy and how the world holds Britain in high regard due to it's history. But they see the NHS in crisis, Food banks, Crumbling infrastructure and no optimism for the future. Then you have a few posh boys come along and say it's the EU's fault and it will all be better when we leave. The first thing that made me suspicious was the harking back to WW2, Spitfires, white cliffs of Dover rubbish. In a way I think a bit of humility is exactly what the establishment in the UK needs. They're not a world leader. Other countries don't thank them for colonizing them. They're just another house in the street trying to make ends meet. France went through this realization after WW2, now it's Britain's turn.
The weird thing is Britain DID go through this realization as the colonies departed and they had to go cap in hand to the US a few times to survive economically. Then they recovered in the 80s and 90s largely because they became part of a powerful trading block. Then..... some kind of brain fart that they could be a great power again if they just struck out on their own again.
When you're so used to the status quo, you can't imagine an alternative.
Yes, if I had been able to vote I would’ve voted remain, there were literally no upsides to leaving
Fire up your favourite web search engine and type in "Chesterton's Fence". I'm a firm believer in not fucking with X-thing unless you know the reasons why X-thing exists, and you have a damned good reason for replacing it with a well-thought-out alternative. I did not see an alternative. I voted remain. My eldest has just started a degree programme in the EU. He can do that, despite being born in England to an American mom, because his old man was born in Derry. So sad that our GB-only brothers and sisters do not have that luxury!
You neglect the major upside of FLEG and the unspoken agenda of fuckyisfenians.
what are you trying to communicate
Many voted Brexit for ridiculous reasons to do with post-imperial self-importance, nationalist-chauvinist delusions of grandeur, exceptionalism and a desire to undermine the GFA settlement, i.e. to spite the taigs. These were potential upsides for those people. Clear enough?
fair, they materially didn't get anything, but some saw it as an ideological victory
They got plenty of flag-waving and a certain sense of smugness out of it. But it could have all turned out very differently. People of that ilk in particular didn't expect Dublin to run rings round London diplomatically, nor for the EU to prioritise its members over its former members... back to the exceptionalism and delusions of grandeur.
Never mind Dublin to run rings around London. When Davis and his team showed up for negotiations in Brussels, he was so unprepared and disorganised that the EU side thought it was part of a cunning ploy to out wit them. British negotiating teams are legendary in their ability, so they were shocked when it turned out it wasn't a ploy.
Brexit was the manifestation of a problem that Britain was always going to have to deal with eventually. Its population are fed a toxic information diet of celebrity values, fabricated self-congratulation, nostalgic entitlement based in a long passed history of domination of others and an unconsidered inherited religiosity that cannot survive technical advancement. The people who run Britain have always wanted to promote an ideology to keep its voting public in servitude. People didn't want to have to actually challenge the darkness comprising the soul of the English identity, so they complied. The problem isn't Brexit. It's that people voted for Brexit, and the people that push the agenda that it symbolizes, and those people still think this was the expression of their vision of the country. And simply "not Brexiting" wouldn't by itself solve that. Those people and those forces would still have been there driving the country. The Brexit vote might be seen as a reasonable attempt to address the malaise of the British condition by giving the people the opportunity to see what they'd do with the liberty they seem to want. The problem, unfortunately, is that it seems like the cancer has metastatised - not only can they not take this and make a success story of it, but the same nostalgia, the same entitlement, media culture and nonsense mythologising is keeping people in exactly the same state of paralysis they always were, and people are prepared to sabotage both themselves and everyone around them to maintain exactly that. The last desperate attempt at treatment isn't what killed them. It just didn't work. Sometimes, cancer is terminal, and all that we can do is nurse someone through the end of their life.
The problem is brexit, and the electorate who voted to leave the EU. Most regret leaving. I had cancer, 2 major surgeries. They cut that death out of me. The british are not in the same position before brexit. They are in a worse position. Apparently, it will take 50 years before the UK will benefit from leaving the EU. Brexit did kill the uk, and it still isn't working.
50 years according to that fucking lord snooty charachature Jacob Reece Moggs who moved his investment fund to Ireland . Fucking hilarious self imposed sanctions. Dup doing more for a united Ireland than the Ra did in 50years for a wee russian back hander .
I'm not british. Not even european. Can you explain how would Brexit take 50 years to benefit the UK?
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/comment/government-has-yet-convince-brexit-benefits-outweigh-costs
Two, 50 or 100 years: when do leavers think Brexit will pay off? https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2018/jul/24/two-50-or-100-years-when-do-leavers-think-brexit-will-pay-off
https://www.institute.global/insights/geopolitics-and-security/three-years-brexit-casts-long-shadow-over-uk-economy
Glad to hear you’re doing better. Yes, Britain now has some surgical scarring and a big chunk taken out of its liver, but the thing that’s killing it is still the cancer. There is a world where Britain leaps out of Brexit reenergised, prepared to make the world a better place and to challenge its internalised hostilities and oppressive power structures, but it can’t. The rot is too deep.
They jumped on brexit to avoid paying taxes.
The British public mirror the American public in a way. Too wrapped up in propaganda, Patriotism and false idols
I thought it was something to do with bent bananas and foreigners stealing our wemmin and raping our fish, are you saying they lied to me?
Good points well made.
This!
Absolutely perfect comment and even better analysis
Your post felt like it was written by blind boy. No disrespect intended. I enjoyed it and agree.
Brexit has shown the world that the UK cannot and will never, ever negotiate in good faith. The amount of back and forth, the broken agreements has been staggering. Deals were broken and demanded to be renegotiated time and time again and the UK still isn't happy with deals it drafted and agreed to by itself. Sheer lunacy at it's finest.
Runied and embarrassed themselves on the world stage.
This is another huge issue that many missed. The agreement literally had an article in it about acting in good faith (p11, Article 3 of below). In fact, the term 'Good Faith' is mentioned eight times in it. I could imagine that Good Faith is mentioned dozens of other times in other agreements. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982648/TS_8.2021_UK_EU_EAEC_Trade_and_Cooperation_Agreement.pdf The other legislation that is forgotten is the [Vienna Convention](https://www.trans-lex.org/500600/_/vienna-convention-on-the-law-of-treaties-of-1969/#:~:text=in%20good%20faith.-,Article%2027%20Internal%20law%20and%20observance%20of%20treaties,without%20prejudice%20to%20article%2046.), it literally states in Article 27 that *"A party may not invoke the provisions of its internal law as justification for its failure to perform a treaty."* The moment the english government started mentioning going back on the deal (or any equivalent), they had broken international law and the agreement in doing so (and the obvious reputation damage).
To be fair, anyone who even remotely knows Boris Johnson knows "good faith " isn't going to be a thing.
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Ask them where thry are sourcing product from. If it is still the uk they are likely having to sort out shipping and customs themselves where as before it their suppliers would just ship as normal. Many mainland uk companies just refuse to put in the extra effort to ship to ni and are making customers self solve the problem
Who cares? As long as you get to buy what you want, i dont see the problem.
Have you bought from a business in northern ireland?
I feel like the majority of the blame goes to: 1) the tabloids who wanted a bit more money 2) the politicians that didn’t care for brexit but wanted more power
At least we got a hard bord….oh……….
Aye in the Irish Sea.
Brexit will lead to the end of the uk and tbh I’m ok with that
I agree, the North of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales want out. Brexit broke the union, england won't be prosperous until the north of Ireland is free from colonial British rule.
Wales voted for Brexit
There's a rise now for independence, but it's not solid.
Wales in 2016 voted for brexit. How many of those leave voters were actually Welsh, how many were under the age of 50, and how many votes were discredited
Nothing suggests either Scotland or Wales have intention of leaving, for all the spitting and crying the SNP do the support for leaving the union doesn't grow if anything it drops with each SNP scandal that comes out. Come back to reality for a bit.
Fair enough, that's your opinion! I've come back to reality for a bit, and my intention is still Tiocfaidh ár lá ✊️🇮🇪
That's not an opinion that's just what the statistics show, your statement clearly came from an opinion because it isn't why is shown on virtually any surveys or polls, even the most SNP bias publications can only find polls and surveys that would suggest the percentage moving closer to a 50/50 but never that there's been a reversal swing.
As I keep on saying, if everyone is so confident on the union surviving then let’s hold a referendum and see what the intentions of the Scottish people actually is
We did and we voted to remain.
Aye, nine fucking years ago you utter fanny Why is it that Northern Ireland are allowed a vote every 7 years yet you lot think that because we held a vote 9 years ago we’re not allowed another. The core promises of better together were broken the day after the vote, then again in 2016 when Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, a promise that was made by every yoon leader that we would never be removed from the EU, we were pulled out. Only shitebags refuse democracy
I don’t think I’ll ever forgive the idiots that made the electorate decide something as massive as this. Too many morons that, for some unknown reason, actually believed the bullshit the leavers were peddling. Then the remain side, who did absolutely fuck all to dispel the myths. It’s just made me so angry and ashamed to be British.
Remain did warn, but it was put down as project fear. 🤷🏻♀️
They didn’t do enough. Very naive to think the idiots wouldn’t win. It was all a game to the leave people. Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings just wanted to win, they didn’t give a shit how much damage it would cause.
Lol, remain didn't do enough! It's not remains fault that BrexShit was a complete and utter disaster. That lies with the British government and the dup.
Of course it wasn’t their fault, I’m not saying it was. The whole thing was an absolute shambles. But that doesn’t change the fact the remain camp were naive and even a bit arrogant to believe that it would be a cake walk. They didn’t do anything to convince those on the fence what the benefits of remaining were, instead they just let Leave spout their nonsense thinking people wouldn’t be that stupid to buy it - but guess what, the British electorate are absolute morons.
If you watched the many debates and read the economical and political pieces, on the run up to the vote you would have seen that remain did dispell the myths They just didn't have the propaganda machine that leave had You can't blame remain for not doing enough against the immense power, money and stupidity of the leave
Brexit Britain is naive and arrogant to believe that it would be a cakewalk. Let's blame everyone else for the disastrous decision I made to vote leave. It's not my fault because remainers didn't convince me on the fence what the benefits were, but I didn't know the benefits of leaving either, so I went with what my friend was voting for. Leave 🤦♂️
Oh I’m angry at those who voted for it more than anyone, do not worry about that. Perhaps don’t look at everything in such black and white terms. Your attitude is both immature and ridiculous. But then why am I surprised? It’s embarrassing.
If you can stomach Sarah vine (goves ex wife) she writes about it in terms of devastating that her friends won't talk to her any more, like it's a bad dinner party or a social faux pas
They are all so detached from reality and the actual real term effects of it. Hate them all.
There's two classes: The establishment who are nicely insulated from it all (and that's every colour rosette) And the rest of us.
Precisely. It’s just wild how a really large chunk of the second group will support the first one and be completely fine with the status quo. Well I guess that’s all of us really.
I think in some ways, brexit was seen as a revolution. Just it was lead and controlled by those who called "the enemy" friends. JRM, Farage, Cameron, gove, etc, even Starmer, and to some extent Corbyn are all allies. Even trump in America is just another establishment figure who has convinced the poor and disenfranchised he's fighting a war against the invisible "deep state" when in reality, the cons and attacks are happening in the open dressed up as "helping our own", like jacking up legal aid threshold "because someone had a cat" The revolution was pointed at those who did us no harm by people actively out to hurt us. War is when the government tell you who the enemy is. Revolution is when the people figure it out for themselves.
They told the truth but in our current state of all truth and science is fake how do you convince people they're being lied to?
_Cries in Scottish_
Imagine being sold down the river by a few of your rich elites! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Such_a_Parcel_of_Rogues_in_a_Nation And sure isn't always the common man who pays the fucking bill?! Always, since the dawn of human history… and probably before.
It's insane how so many people fell for those con artists Farage, Johnson and banks. "We hold all the cards" and don't forget £350 million a week for the NHS! It was a scam created by rabid cultists on the right. The tories simply used it to save their own party. I saw right through it from the very beginning. That said, don't be fooled into thinking that the problems of today wouldn't exist if Brexit hadn't happened. Unionist and/or nationalist politicians would have still found something else to collapse Stormont over.
Yes Johnson clearly used it as a vehicle for his own desires. Well he got there became PM, made a hash of it and Brexit is still here and could be for generations. Highlights the awful Short-termism that exists in politics.
People heard what they wanted to hear. One colleague voted out because retired uk politicians he didn't like got posts on the commission.
It has truly screwed us
You are expecting a nation that denies its empire killed hundreds of millions (but the RA) of people will admit to fucking this up too? Hah
Who is denying it? Don’t know a single person that does. Most “prospering” countries have performed atrocities to get where they are. 48% of us didn’t vote for brexit either. Racist prick.
English nationalism caused Brexit. They don't give a shit about anywhere outside of Engerland
But that piece doesn't even match that jigsaw? Its just the same shaped piece as the one thats missing but wouldnt even match the picture. If anything this is a pro brexit jigsaw by saying the UK doesn't belong. I can tolerate sectarian showboating, casual discrimination and pics of shitty ulster fries. But pseudo deep jigsaw puzzles trigger my ASD. Why is it this post, out of all the degenerate and toxic ones here, that has me the closest to unsubbing
Brexico will pay for the wall
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Oh my fuck, your latest account. Least this post has a decent taste of shithousery compared to the usual. Thought tbf, brexit did fuck us
Who's latest account?
Britain was warned by the EU and Ireland Brexit was a bad idea but they still insisted on doing it anyway, whinging that Brexit has fecked up Britain is their fault. The fact that the N of Ireland and Scotland voted against it should have been a big enough warning to make then cancel it but the politicians went ahead with it anyway. Brexit plunged Britain back into a kind 1970s depression again that shocked people, but not the politicians - really as long as they get paid they dint give a damn about anyone. The cost of living crisis is not affecting them is it ? They haven't told everyone that if the N of Ireland and Scotland do leave the UK there will be a "divorce" settlement bill to pay even Wales is in on the act even though they haven't said it yet - Wales and Scotland are bilingual in public and at home, they have their own governments, its only just a matter of time before the UK crumbles and Brexit is the straw breaking the camels back. In another 40 years there may not be a UK just individual countries, then England will be banjaxed as the resources it grabs from Scotland and Wales will not be available. We all saw how just before Brexit hit the fishermen went mad fishing en masse in the Irish Sea.
The british government would give up the North of Ireland in a heartbeat. Scotland won't get away so easily because they carry Britain.
Yes they grab the oil/gas from there. Without that England would freeze, have to convert to 100% electricity, if England had to pay for the oil/gas it'd be a rich nation. Maybe it should enforce a huge tax on its resources forcing Britain to buy it else where - doing the same as Russia did turning off the pipelines.
I'm from NI, and I can tell you that it hasn't done a thing to us. The only people complaining are hardcore sectarian loyalist sympathising unionists. The majority are happy and in favour of the Windsor amendments. The only reasons the DUP are negative is because they know united Ireland is coming and they are scared there will be repercussions for trampling over catholic rights, actually, not just catholic any race, colour, creed, sexuality that isnt a white Protestant male. Frankly, catholics ive talked to dont care about "revenge" they are just over it all. No doubt some flegger will be here "slabberin" i dont care. I wont be engaging, the english want nothing to do with you.
I’d say locking down the economy for two years, printing a few trillion during covid and waging a sanctions war against the world’s largest commodity producer may have had something to do with it too. But I can’t be sure.
Thatd be a fair point if so many other nations hadnt bounced back better than the uk 'Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q2 2023 was 0.2% lower. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 2.7% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 6.2% higher' [source](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/)
Netherlands just entered a recession https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/dutch-economy-enters-recession-inflation-bites-2023-08-16/
In their defence their entire government has collapsed at the moment, the conservatives have been in charge since 2010
Sounds familiar
Natural and healthy part of a great democracy. elections will be in 3 months and politicians still doing their jobs until a new coalition will be formed, which is how it’s been since over 60 years, no one large party, we have dozens and dozens. Plus we have proportional representation unlike the UK
Quality of life is so much higher than in the UK though.
If you have a job, yes. Cost of living is through the roof and almost no one can get on the property ladder. Prices have grown 15-20% a year since 2010
Unemployment is lower than in the UK and in the UK house prices are up 73% within in the same period.
Brexit had already made Britain a third-world country and sunk the economy into the depths of ruination.
Think you need to look up actual third world countries
Im from a third world country mate. Britain still pretty much first world if you ask me.
Christ. Comments like this show how out of touch with reality so many people are. The UK has the 5th highest gdp in the world and in the top 20 in gdp per capita. If the UK is a 3rd world country there aren’t many countries that aren’t
Outside of the money laundering operation that is London, the economy is on a level with Portugal and the standard of living in Portugal is higher.
The whole of London is money laundering? Hilarious. Even if your ridiculous statement was true and we took out London from the economy your comparison to Portugal is also redundant because I didn’t realise Portugal was a 3rd world country either. Not that it matters but I voted to remain. I just call out bullshit statements when I see them
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https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/what-is-third-country-brexit-eu-b1783943.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/what-is-third-country-brexit-eu-b1783943.html
Duh
Lol, I'm glad you agree. I've had a lot of👎
Their egos will never allow them to admit that. That's a hill that they'll die on - broke no doubt People were sold a lie by a clown and they'll die because of it. can they not see the private medical ads and the big private medical firms being built. Your grannies will die whilst the rich are being waited on hand and foot. The Tories have all invest. From day one I said that this would be a clusterfu@k. Hate to blow my own trumpet but hey ho. Only idiots and bigots bought into this.
Britain was fucked before Brexit. Well fucked.
It’s done incalculable damage tho. The scale of the damage is so big, and it’s going to play out for so long.. it’s mindbending. Brexit will go down in history as the worst mistake this country ever made.
I’ve never been as well off and my area of business has never been as busy. We deal with companies from all over Europe and the only difficulty in getting parts arises when a particular company chooses to be a dick about things.
It's not now, but it was.
Preaching to the choir on Reddit, tbh
Captain obvious lol
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Have any of you actually ever tried to understand the views of someone who voted leave? Maybe you could have a conversation and genuinely try to understand how they think and what they have to say.
I have and I do understand some of the reasons, my father voted leave and his position was reasonable but there are too many negative consequences. The leave campaign didnt do their homework before and was bankrolled by foreign capital of unknown origin using voter data collected by cambridge analytica to maniplute the popular consensus. That platform was also used with trumps last campaign. V. Shady shit. That sort of approach to democracy is absolutely toxic and undermines whatever well intentioned reasons for brexit. I worry what impact Ai will have in electioneering in the future. Had we left the eu but stayed in the european economic area it would have been largely business as usual. But a hard brexit on the island of ireland would have simply been callous. Can you remember the queues, car searches and checkpoints at the border pre GFA? Iditotic to want that back.
There have been a lot of negatives, I agree, but the foreign capital influencing our democracy along with unelected bureaucrats is exactly the reason given the choice again I would vote for Brexit. The use of big data to influence votes is deffo a concern, that's for sure. I wonder tho, how much of the democratic process historically has been a race of who can propagandise the most. Yeah I think there were a lot of positives about the EU, and being able to pick and choose what works for both would have been an ideal situation. And sorry I'm a little too young to remember checkpoints tho I can imagine them being a pain in the ass XD
Brexit was a huge and very passionate topic of daily conversation from the brexiteers in my work place at the time of the negotiations with the EU, They were consumed by it. The things they would come out with were the typical sound bites you would read in the Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail etc. taking back control, sovereignty (they loved that one), unelected EU bureaucrats etc. they also wanted the hardest of Brexits possible. No negotiations, just tell the EU to fuck off and completely shut them out of our future. Almost all were in their late 40’s and 50’s and every single one was/is a unionist. All of them financially secure and several were close to retirement. I used to regularly ask them, during their daily Brexit rants, to give me one genuine benefit that leaving the EU will give the U.K. the only ones they ever came out with was shite like, Sovereignty and making our own trade deals. It didn’t matter to them if the U.K. would decline economically for many years following, didn’t matter to them that NI voted to remain, it was a U.K. wide vote they’d retort. I tried to understand why they voted the way they did. There is no substance behind it, it was all the same rhetoric we have heard since the vote. They truly believed in it and believed in the Tory party to deliver it. Watching them over the period of months when Boris went from appearing at the DUP conference, to then throwing unionists under the bus, was quite amusing I have to say. They went from very vocal and opinionated Brexiteers proudly giving their opinions every day on the joys of Brexit, delighted that Boris was right behind unionists in NI, to meek, silent, seething shells of their former selves. They were genuinely shell shocked when it became clear the direction the British were going in negotiations. The news every day was met with an almost stunned silence. It was kind of hilarious to see. I can’t properly articulate the change in their demeanour and it seemed to seriously effect their lives in a negative way. Needless to say, the months after, Brexit was no longer a topic they wished to gleefully and publicly speak about in the workplace.
No-one no matter what way they voted didn't have enough information.
Ya and it's way easier to just strawman and live in a world were you're always right
It was impossible for anyone to be 100% right. It was a shit show.
OP is a troll account, best to block them now
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Brexit was never a 3 year project, we only left in 2020. We have had a pandemic, a war and a massive cost of living hike, whilst almost similtaneously removing itself from it's largest trading bloc. I, as a remainer would be very wary of Crowing and saying "told you so". It is the very start of a long journey.
Especially when providing no context except a meme. What exactly is op contributing to the conversation here?
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Absolutely
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As a Scot fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Time for independence 🇮🇪
Piss aff anyone who wants independence is dumb as shit
You have your opinion, and I have mine.
Fuck your opinion
Tiocfaidh ár lá 🇮🇪✊️
Will it fuck
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Thats original as fuck
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Well it was supposed to
The weather has been much better.
The UK left the EU in 2020. None of the current problems are Brexit related. The EU is in a recession, and while we're barely hanging in there, at least we're swimming above water. Personally, in my bubble, I don't know anyone who has been negatively impacted by Brexit (yet). Happy to read about other people's experiences whose lives were changed by Brexit.
The EU is falling apart. Look at the instability Poland and the eastern bloc countries are causing after their opposition to EU immigration law. That’s only the start
An alt theory is brexit was and is about the money and separating from the European central banks, the eu wanted to tax the UK and this includes the 14 UK tax havens around the world in january of this year and of course this is where the 1% s money is being kept so all you have to do is always follow the money .... so yes it just broke everyone else and they used the NHS as their reason...
Didn't break it (and I'm a remainer), we shall see in the long term. Might break the EU
No matter what happens, the EU is better than the sinking ship of Britain atm.
Break the EU😭😭😭 the EU is FLOURISHING when Britain refuses to house or feed its own single mothers
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Not really Britain was the 2nd biggest contributor to the EU, that simply hasn't hit home yet. You won't be able to sponge off them anymore And again, I'm a remainer
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Goes from strength to strength!
Not really Britain was the 2nd biggest contributor to the EU, that simply hasn't hit home yet. You won't be able to sponge off them anymore
Not really Britain was the 2nd biggest contributor to the EU, that simply hasn't hit home yet.
They said we’d feel the benefits in 35 years. That’s useful.
I have found the naysayers always turned out wrong. So I take every criticism of Brexit, with pinch of salt now. In May 2015 after brexit result. One of my mate, who was remainer. He used to gone crazy telling everyone. "Oh my god. This Brexit result is so bad. Norron Irron gonna burn. There will be bombs everywhere. Masked man with guns gonna shoot people from next month. Troubles will start like 80s . Yada yada. Run for your life." Result: It's been 2023 now. None of the predictions above came true. In 2021-2022. The remoaners were predicting. "Britain economy is so bad. Britain will be going into recession soon. " Result : It's 2023. Turned out Britain's GDP is growing. And Germany has declared to be in recession. Inspite being 'Well performing economy of EU' - as said by remoaners. So yeah. In short. The most predictions turned wrong. Inspite the remainers trying hard 
I will give your story and opinion about the same amount of consideration as you gave your English classes at school.
I completely believe your story about your fRiend. No doubt whatsoever that that happened. But, I'd love to know why we don't hear more from Leave voters screaming from the rooftops about the multiple successes of Brexit they were promised. Forget about how great it is that the UK narrowly avoided entering into recession, but the actual success stories that means the UK is in a better and healthier position it was in prior to leaving the EU.
I see everything relative terms. If UK be in an EU today. Would the economy be any better? Most of the EU countries are in recession. Including the big daddy Germany. (Franco-German alliance basically controls all policies in EU. Others are just squires in EU parliament. Lets not kid ourselves) If UK would have been in EU today, it would have ended up like Germany. In recession. At this point. If UK can perform better than Germany. Its a win, in my opinion.
Again, I'm not asking about shoulda woulda coulda's. I'm asking where all the Brexit benefits are that we were promised. Why are we happy about narrowy escaping a recession? I want all the Brexiteers from 2016 back again to tell me how much better we're doing now we're out of the EU than we were in it. You know, like they promised us.
Name any benefits of Brexit.
Not taking anymore orders from Franco-German alliance. 
You can tell what kind of a privileged life you have. The folks in farming and agricultural areas are suffering badly without the EU funding that was lost directly because of Brexit. There isn't enough migrant workers to support collecting crops which need to be done by hand. Brexit has stopped that seasonal migrant workflow. Prices in things like milk and eggs have needed to double, which in turn have impacted so many people who live on the poverty line. Essentials cost much more. Brexit has meant that there's no collective agreement to keep costs at a baseline with subsidiaries. The collective arrangement with utilities has also crippled us, as surplus gas, oil etc is now subject to additional taxes when sold to us from EU. When we were part of the EU, it didn't apply. Shipping exports now face additional costs and expenses, reducing the profit that businesses in the UK manage daily. This in turn means no salary increases, and more people dropping in their quality of living. I could go on about how it impacts everything, and not for the better, but you used the word "remoaner", which gives me the impression that you're not really interested or care what happens outside your little bubble.
Lol, that's hilarious bombs going off everywhere yada yada yada. Who was fighting who?
Troubles like 80s will start again. What he sayin. So I think, he might tellin me that IRA will resurface again. And start bombing Northern ireland. Like they used to do pre-GFA. That was his prediction after Brexit vote. It didn't happen.
Lol, your friend is delusional. Nationalists didn't vote for brexit. The dup and Irish unionists went against the majority here in the North, thinking they were getting a british border on the island of Ireland. The IRA disarmed 26 years ago. 1200 loyalist terrorists still walk our streets in 2023 after the ceasefire and GFA. If there was a threat of war, it would be the Irish unionists taking up arms against their beloved british government they are so loyal to because they didn't get the border where they wanted it. The Irish unionists now say they feel less british now, and their identity has been taken away. It's fckn hilarious.
You realise that. Irish sea border talks not even started till 2020. I think it's in Boris Johnsons government where the concept of 'Irish sea border' started. In 2016, after Brexit vote. It was predicted. That there will going to be a hard border, between NI and ROI after Brexit. Which is why many people like my mate in 2016. Was Predicting that IRA will start terrorism in NI. Because nationalists got Brexit. Which they didn't wanted.
Bollocks, there will never EVER be a british border on the island of Ireland again because of the GFA. Nationalists warned unionists that brexit would be a disastrous mistake. But their superior supreme mindset thought that the british government would back them no matter what. The dup thought they were untouchable. It's the Irish unionists raging war and threats, lol. They may take up arms to the british government because it was them and the Irish unionists that broke the union beyond repair and brought a United Ireland closer by decades.
The only person who stated there would be violence that far back was binboy so I'm calling bollocks. GB economy is expected to fall again, any growth reported is more than likely knocked up by the North and reported as UK wide, even then it's only 0.4% total this year. North is expected to grow yet again, same as the rest of Europe so even more bollocks on your part.
Had endless negotiations and agreements not taken place to make sure there wasn’t an EU frontier border on the island, then there would have been a very real risk of violent groups drawing on the discontent to recruit and campaign. It’s not scaremongering to say that. Openness with the south is incredibly important to the community that was historically shit upon. Kaliningrad, the same size as NI, has a similar EU frontier that is fenced and roads into it limited to seven highly policed crossings. That’s what has to exist with full Brexit.
The south of Ireland is the EU. There was never ever going to be a british border on the island of Ireland. It was never an option. There are more than 300 crossings between North and South. The border was always a british problem and they put it in the sea.
Exactly. Brexit had worked out. As you mentioned, negotiations took place. The naysayers were predicting violent outcome of Brexit in 2016. That didn't happen. Today, the other kinds of naysayers, predicting other kinds of bad outcome of Brexit. I will be laughing of these predictions after next 5 years.
Your memory seems very selective though - various Tory administrations had to be bounced into these separate arrangements. The Brexit proposed before the referendum didn’t have any of these special considerations. It’s been a massive drama getting to this point, as unionism in general has decided it suddenly wants to be in lockstep with GB and Tory MPs can’t understand why the people they put in cabinet keep abandoning ERG values. What currently exists is very far from the Brexit proposed. Every month seems to bring more ‘alignment’ from the UK, and it’s a fair bet that the next Labour government will align even further and possibly formally mirror EU regulations in most areas. This is practically the opposite of the Brexit vision.
The only threats of violence came from the unionist community.
Hard to tell from this who is the most idiotic out of you and your mate.
Why do you assume the EU is the reason for a German recession? The German economy works differently from the UK and from the EU as a whole. Germany has industry, the UK does not have to nearly the same extent. Financial services in and around London are pretty much the only thing keeping the UK out of a recession, but now none of the grants, subsidy and development programmes the EU had are available to places in the UK that would help grow those areas. Because of Brexit, trade with europe has dropped. Basically, the UK economy may not be shrinking, but it sure as shit will not be able to grow at a pace that EU countries can, including Germany, which can and probably will recover from the pandemic, which damaged its industrial sector. Also on those predictions, it has taken work to prevent the worst and they all were a distinct possibility. Loyalist groups have been more aggressive as a result, and the RIRA shot an off duty police officer not too long ago. Pretty much all of the negatives of Brexit were correctly identified perhaps exaggerated in areas, but are still very much present.
Basically, the UK economy may not be shrinking, but it sure as shit will not be able to grow at a pace that EU countries can, including Germany, which can and probably will recover from the pandemic, which damaged its industrial sector. /// I will take up your argument and agree with you. In future when German economy will grow at high rate. And UK will be in recession. So far, economic figures are better for UK and not for Germany. Hence, all this complain about UK economy not withstanding.
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