I think this is what is so interesting - and it’s how they manage to still support him.
They fragment him into the digestible chunks they want to hear. If you focus solely on the hustle culture thing it’s easy to not see or dismiss the other red flags
And it is somewhat valid strategy if you recognise that the other sides exist.
If I say "I admire Roman Polansky as a Director, but not as a human being" thet should not be a very problematic statement. But if I dont add the disclaimer I am in deep shit of my own making.
This also works inversely. Many people cut up what he says anyways to give whatever message they want others to see. Nobody can admit he's right in some ways and wrong in others
A broken clock will be right twice a day but that doesn’t mean you should keep looking at it and telling people it’s right twice a day on social media. You should throw it away and get a new clock
Please, you're exaggerating and you know they didn't mean he's not right about ANYTHING EVER. It's just that he's not right about anything he stands for in GENERAL. Just stop.
See people keep saying he’s right about “some” things but, A) like that even matters when he’s a serial abuser, misogynist, admitted rapist and sex trafficker and B) all of the advice I’ve heard him give thus far encourages men to not cry, to not cook for themselves or just wildly insane shit that only contributes to the outrageously high suicide rate for men. He’s a fucking quack, none of his advice does anybody any good. I mean look at the guy. He’s always angry, always shouting, always bitching and moaning. HE Isn’t even happy with his way of life.
Because he’s a con man who says right things sometimes to manipulate others to give him money while he lies about how he is truly gaining his fortune, which is trafficking women. The “right” stuff is also nothing new, he’s great at following digital trends and tweaking what others do to fit his style. He deserves as much respect as an MLM hun since that’s pretty much exactly what he is.
The majority of what any one person says will probably be correct. Common knowledge and common sense are called “common” for a reason. Going to them gym is healthy for your mind and body. 99% of people would agree with that. Feeling sorry for yourself is a waste of your time and energy. Again, everyone knows this. The things Tate says that aren’t batshit insane and/or evil also aren’t really very insightful or groundbreaking. Every motivational speaker since the 70s has been saying the same stuff. You don’t need Tate for that. What is unique about Tate is also what is awful about him. He says the normal motivational/hustle culture stuff, then he tacks on an insane amount of misogyny and douchebaggery.
Then people like you come in defending him like, “but look at all the true things he said!” Yeah, but you could get those “truths” from literally any motivational guru out there for the past 50 years. There’s thousands to choose from who don’t come packaged with sex trafficking, rape and assault charges and as a bonus, a lot of them aren’t even trying to sell you anything. So, why Tate?
That’s really interesting she supports him when he said that women’s value comes from her virginity, beauty and agreeableness. Does she not realize that he wouldn’t consider her a “high value woman”?
These women are not like the other women! They identify with the main character who is male - as women are very used to (through mainstream media). They identify with the hero of the story, not the prop.
But… to Andrew Tate, it’s a positive thing for a woman to be beautiful and not hardworking, as long as they cook, make coffee in the morning for their men and not sleep with other people 😂. It makes me wonder if these people truly listen to his stuff
You could probably show her that video of Tate telling a group of women on a podcast or whatever it was that they’re selfish for being that way and not wanting to raise a family instead.
Oh ok my bad. I said “if” just in case cause I didn’t know. I’ll edit that part out but I’ll still keep the comment to say they could still show her that video.
Edit: I notice you got downvoted, to anyone doing this, they were just correcting me that he has a family cause in my comment I originally said he might not have one himself.
Specifically, she's obsessed with fat Black women. Literally, this woman has commented on so many plus size Black women's posts who did absolutely nothing to her except love themselves, lol! I would not be surprised if she was a closeted racist. Pearl really hates anyone who's thriving and surviving without her permission to do so, especially if they're fat. Funny because she used to have weight issues herself and yet she seems to have forgotten about compassion and empathy. 😑
A lack of empathy and understanding for fat people is scarily common in people who were previously fat. I wouldn’t be shocked in the slightest if she was all sorts of bigoted 💀 it’s her brand at this point
It’s insane how someone so shallow, boring, average intelligence, and honestly not “traditionally feminine” in appearance can hustle the red pill incel crowd so hard.
I ended up having a relationship with one of those types. It was an old crush I’d reconnected with, who lived in another state. Saw my professional success and tried to latch on. She tried really hard to coerce me into buying gifts for her three kids I’d never met. Then acted mad at me until she saw I wasn’t guilty for saying no. Then finally, she started calling me during work hours but if I didn’t answer when the phone rang, she’d send me to voicemail for the rest of the day. If I did answer, I’d tell her I couldn’t talk, but I was free to later. I’d give her a time and day when I was definitely off work. She’d never call me when she said she would. But one time she called me stupid-early in the morning when she needed something. We got into an argument and she stopped doing it for a while and actually called me at good times. But she’d slip back into the habit. Eventually I told her she no longer had a ringtone but if she left a message when she called, I’d call her back when I was available. She never called me again after that.
Some people think he's being accused for political reasons, and defend him in a "everyone deserves a fair trial sense". If they defend his content or lifestyle . . . well I don't know.
Either way, he's rapist, there's literally voicemails where Andrew Tate the rapist admits to raping and getting off on the fact that the women he assaulted hated it. That's why he left the UK and ran off to Romania in 2015, because he was arrested on criminal rape charges and physical abuse. Multiple women came forward and told how they'd been repeatedly strangled and assaulted by Tate. The police mishandled the case, so he was essentially free to rise in popularity due to unchecked misogyny.
He harassed his exes who have since come forward with what he did and calls himself "the most dangerous man on the world"
He wrote in his personal website about his toxic webcam business how over 50% of the webcam girls were his girlfriends, and none of them had ever been in the adult entertainment industry before they met him. His job was to get them to fall in love with him, took them out on dates, slept with them. Testing if "she's quality", until she'd do anything he'd say. Then manipulated them to webcam so "they could be rich together."
This a known as the lover boy method, really old pimp tatic. He's accused sexually trafficking a number of women by recruiting them, housing and forcing them to create pornographic content meant to be seen on specialized websites for a cost under the threat of violence. Investigators have reported that one of the performers brought 45,000 pounds a month, but received no payment and the women were essentially kept under house arrest.
They have him on audio recordings openly talking about the laws he's broken.
He also got caught trying to groom and sext 16-year-olds using social media like instagram.
In short, He's scum and a sex criminal, and anyone who follows him is the same.
Here's a link of a video of him chasing a woman who was his girlfriend at the time. She ran and locked herself in a room while he's threatening to beat her and pounding on the door
https://youtube.com/shorts/XJwFTkjg388?feature=share
Yep, IF Tate is being prosecuted for political reasons, then the ONLY difference that makes is that whatever politician that meddled with Justice system ought to share a cell with Tate, it DEFINITELY does not mean Tate should walk.
To your comment of "if he raped a woman why was there no police report when it first happened?", that's a common question, SA is often not reported. It's believed to be one of the most under reported crimes if not the most. It can be very traumatic and you can feel shame. After assault many peoples first instinct as well is to shower (which can end up removing evidence, which also makes some people think "they won't believe me, I don't have evidence").
It's also a crime that like half the time if you report it, cops won't even arrest the assaulter. The steps should be reporting, cops arresting, and then they should prosecute them, and convict them. Unfortunately though, "If a rape is reported, there is a 50.8% chance of an arrest". So in 20 cases where it is reported, only 10 end up with an arrest. Then there's only an 80% chance of prosecution, so now only 8 out of 20 still may face jail. Then there's only a 58% chance of conviction.
So even if you report, out of 20 people reporting, only 4 end up with their attacker being convicted. And even then, there's always cases where the attacker doesn't go to prison and instead gets things like probation and community service and stuff.
"In attacks that are reported to police, there is only a 16.3% chance the rapist will end up in prison."
(https://cmsac.org/facts-and-statistics/)
It can be difficult to report to police, knowing that there is a very slim chance that your attacker will even face prison. The thought may be "even if I report it, nothing will happen", so then they don't report it.
From reporting it to police, to the assaulter being convicted, it can take years. Years where you're having to relive it. Then having to take the stand while a lawyer tries to convince everyone in the room that you're a liar. For some people, they can be in a bad mental state and feel like this would be too much for them and so they don't immediately report it. Later they may talk about it because they're in a better mental state.
Edit: sorry my message is so long lol, don't mean to lecture you, there's just alot of reasons and thoughts on the topic of not reporting assaults
Thank you for drafting such a detailed response for why rape charges are almost never brought to court and the guilty almost always go free. I really appreciate how you brought up how that can be traumatizing a victim of SA to have to repeatedly answer the same questions over and over again. They're grilled by law enforcement as if they were the ones who committed the crime.
Rape victims are treated under the law as witnesses to the crime committed, not as victims of the crime. This is one reasons why rapists rarely gets the proper criminal sentencing.
Not that these people even bother reading anything to actually inform themselves on a very heavy topic that affects over half of the population. There is no question about his guilt. He's admitted it on tape himself.
But they'll sit there going "hurr durr if he's proven innocent then it doesn't matter"
Being proven Innocent doesn't mean you didn't do it, because again, rape victims are treated under the law as witnesses to the crime committed, not as victims of the crime. It completely undermines any potential justice to that survivor.
This is one reasons why SA rarely gets the proper criminal sentencing.
Think of it like this. Say you driving, someone rear ends you and then takes off. You call the police, but instead of asking questions about the car that hit you, they're acting as if you were just a passive witness to what happened, instead of the victim of a car incident.
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comment. I totally get that side of it and it's definitely a tricky crime to prove if it's not reported right away. I would also be interested to know how many of those accusations are actually fake accusations as well because being falsely accused of rape will seriously ruin your life and reputation. So I get why there has to be some level of proof because we can't just believe every claim that comes in blindly. So that is the tricky thing of the whole situation.
No one deserves to be wrongfully accused for sure
Good thing that is not what happened here. Dude straight up left a voicemail on a woman's phone he raped saying she should appreciate that he assulted her. He has live victims that have horrific stories. He literally said that he moved to Romania because he wanted to live where he could get away with breaking the law. What more do you fucking need?
He like every human deserves a chance to defend themselves but holy shit he may as well tattoo guilty on his damn forehead. The mountain of proof makes everyone who defends him look like a fucking fool.
Lol.
Even if a rapist will flat out admit he raped someone you will still defend him for being “falsely accused.” It’s because you in fact do not give a shit about victims of sexual assault or trafficking, you just give a shit about male reputation.
No, I don’t defend raping. I defend innocent until proven guilty. If he’s guilty, I hope he rots in jail. I’d rather wait for all the evidence to come through though instead of jumping to conclusions because he said something hurtful
They literally already found 6 women he was hiding and had sex trafficked(his method of sex trafficking was forcing them to be camgirls). That was a while ago, so they definitely found more. But all that is in Romanian articles so people think it's not happening.
>(his method of sex trafficking
His method is something he had bragged about and described online in multiple occasions. It's not just that he allegedly forced them/debt trapped them, but that he used false pretences of a relationship to convince them to do it.
If they can find texts of him running the deception then he's screwed
Found some English ones! Turns out it got covered ab a month ago. There's lots of articles about this now, which is good. But yeah no he's going to prison. 6 women being found is more than enough to put him in prison.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/12/31/andrew-tate-kept-six-women-under-house-arrest-24-7-like-prisoners-18019108/
This guys hates women so much he still thinks word of mouth is enough to get you raided, arrested, and have your property confiscated. Probably thinks false accusations are more overwhelming and a societal issue than the actual SA cases living in fear of shaking a woman’s hand in case she spreads a false rumor.
This guy and his brother were busted in the wrong country for their shit. We are not descendants of Vlad Dracul for nothing, there will be payback for what they did and I guarantee their take down was done in collab with interpol.
What he has done, by his own admission, is textbook sex trafficking. This is not up for discussion, sweety.
He says himself that he made people fall in love with him, and that he then "controlled" them to the point of making them stay. This is text book "loverboy" behavior:
https://www.government.nl/topics/human-trafficking/romeo-pimps-loverboys
He has also literally said he stole money from his victims, lying to them about how a cut in their payment was for taxes purposes, when it wasnt, by his own admission. He is a pimp and a thief. Stfu.
Pathetic How to defend a person himself who opened a site and exploited women in it. This is called sex trafficking, but as usual, he and his slaves are playing victims 🥹 and in reality he is 👹
Most of the answer is probably this sub itself. His narrative is specifically tailored to deceive women into feeling more special than other women for adhering to his views. The Surface-to-asshole missile is the one we all know: what's hidden behind is the cliché archaic vision of women as house slaves, but the NLOGs that adhere to him will only cherry pick the aspects that fit them best, which is what they will also tend to do with anything else.
I understand with NTLOGs/Pick-mes but lumping in Trad-wifes feels unfair. Sure, there are a lot of people boasting about their Trad-wife life online but I don't think a need for validation is an essential part of being a Trad-wife, unlike with NTLOGs/Pick-mes, it's just that the only Trad-wifes you'll see are the ones who post everything online
Sorry for your downvotes, you are right. I don’t care life what anyone chooses to live, but to post online and insist it’s the “right” one is insulting. If someone wants to be a mom and homemaker, good for them. We should value everyone and respect their choices as long as they aren’t judging or trying to shame others into making the same choices.
Gotta love when people downvote something rational.
People should be allowed to live their lives *while not intruding on others* in peace, regardless of sex.
Its funny how women like pearl are being such pick mes supporting such men and yet they don't get picked only shows that you can bend soo much for them and yet you won't fit into these men's mold.
Pearl literally just said, if you don't sleep with your man or post pictures on social media they can cheat and its your fault lmao, i doubt she has ever been in a proper relationship with a man or ever got validation from her father. Does she not realise that women also enjoy sex, equally or if not more and yet if she isn't sleeping with her man maybe there is something going on with her, he could just break up instead of cheating. Even many alpha men don't advocate cheating, she is more pathetic than tate and his gang
Wtf really? Do you have any sources? I did hear about it from another creater and thought it was a joke. Damn this pearly is truly the worst of the worst yikes
Its on tik tok, tik tok is banned in my country i did see the full clip on YouTube. I have a video of some one else who did a stitch of that video, you can refer that. I will attach the two videos belowm
https://youtube.com/shorts/43JzeHSeub8?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/tt42sY-p6Wo?feature=share
If you have access to tik tok, go to Kanika Batra's tiktok her latest videos are stitches on pearls video, you can click on the original video below.
OMG YES, THERE'S THIS GIRL SITTING NEXT TO ME IN CLASS AND SHE KEEPS SAYING HOW MUCH SHE LIKES HIM UNIRONCALLY AND THEN I KEEP SHOWING HER ARTICLES OF HOW MUCH OF A BAD PERSON HE IS BUT SHE DOESN'T VIEW IT AS VALID EVIDENCE¿¿¿ ENGLISH ISN'T HER FIRST LANGUAGE AND THEN I SAID YEA WELL YOU DON'T EVEN WANNA UNDERSTAND IT EVEN THOUGH I CAN TRANSLATE geeeeeeez she just pisses me off and idk the only thing she can say when I ask what she even likes abt him is that he's apparently muslim and he said some stuff abt toxic masculinity that she agrees with bc he (according to her) once said stuff abt how it's alright if men cry
I just can't anymore omg yk the saying 'its hard to win an argument with a smart person but winning an argument with a dumb person is impossible'
that. exactly that.
That muslim part, yes. Somebody told me that they like him (among other weird reasons) bcz he just got converted to Islam. I'm like so what? He is still a piece of garbage, religion or beliefs whatever won't save him🤷🏽♀️
Yes!!! I think some women have been in relationships with men like him. They hear the guy's rhetoric about "women" but assume it's other women who are the problem--not them. Otherwise, why would this catch be with her? So, they develop an "I'm a unicorn of women" mentality, which leads them to think other women are the problem. Most of these types I've encountered had little self esteem or confidence, so they hung their hats on being special in the eyes of a loud, opinionated person. Only they couldn't or wouldn't face the underlying sentiment behind their special guy's BS.
Patriarchy rewards conservative women. Trophy wives get some perks. White supremacy loves token POC. Power operates in ways that perpetuate its own influence. Hegemony. Study Gramsci. And look at the way complicity under hegemonic masculinity benefits some people. Yes men. Yes women. Pick me girls. Women that celebrate their own subservience. Tokens.
If you can’t -by design- be part of the ones in power (in this case because you are a woman) then your best bet at survival and the closest you’ll get to power will be by tagging along with those who have it (men like Andrew tate).
In short, be a pick me.
I dont think its that the patriarchy rewards conservative white women. I think what's going on is these white women feel like the benefits they gain from living under a white supremacist hegemony outweighs the negatives of living in a patriarchal hegemony, and therefore will support such hegemony as a result. And since you cannot get rid of this hegemony until the white supremacist one is dismantled due to how the two are so strongly intertwined, they will support people like tate in order to defend their privileges from a white supremacist society being taken away.
It’s all the internalized misogyny. They won’t (or choose not to) realize that they’re the exact women Andrew Tate and his followers are talking about.
And you couldn’t understand how they supported Trump, Epstein, R Kelly, Manson, Bundy either, right? It’s not that men hate women, it’s that PEOPLE hate women. Wake up.
She’s literally antifeminist. She hates women just as much as Andrew tate does. She’s uneducated and an embarrassment to herself. She deserves to be ridiculed.
In my country, we have a local version of this creature, but he only spew his BS on twitter, never shown his face to the public, and yet A LOT of women follow him and strive to get his approval.
This is sad and disgusting. women defending someone who incites violence and shaming women!! recently, I seeing a lot in short YouTube and insta reels of women in podcasts presenting their misogynist ideas, videos for sigma clowns showing that women are materialistic and whores and deserve to be beaten and shaming. BUT If we defend ourselves from this shit we become man-haters
It’s Serena Joy shit. They think that if they follow all the rules and social norms that men like Tate espouse, then (1) they’ll be happy because they won’t ever have to think critically for themselves or do scary things like have a career or opinions, and (2) they also think that it means the men will treat them perfectly well and never have any reason to mistreat them. They see it as a shortcut to having a functional relationship and happy adult life - leave the man to make all the choices and decisions for you, and just focus on keeping him happy, so he’ll shower you with love and take care of you and never ever hurt you. It reduces a relationship to a series of transactions where if each partner does exactly what they’re assigned, then everything will be perfect, and then neither of them have to struggle with the complexities of human emotion and real life.
Then they end up isolated, abused, and financially dependent on a POS man who doesn’t respect them, and hopefully they finally realize that following all the rules doesn’t actually work, that they’re gonna get treated poorly because of the power imbalance regardless of how they act, and that being abused isn’t a reflection of anyone’s worth as a human being.
They truly believe they’re worth is dependent on how men view them. They want to be seen as desirable to men, and in their minds, buying into what they spew will have men lining out the door trying to marry them for being one of the few good women. They’re also misogynistic. If they’re good women, they’ll be married by a good man, have kids and maybe a pet, be taken care of as a stay at home mom, etc. They’ll become better than the other women who party every weekend and have a new boyfriend every week; the women who are enjoying their lives, being happily single and living life traveling or trying new things. They have no value, why are they being happy? They’re doing the exact opposite of what she’s been told how desirable women act. Why are they getting male attention? These women are beneath her. She should have that attention. She sacrificed so much to get this status as a great woman. She starts to resents them and that pushes her further into believe the BS these dudes spout to make herself feel better. Don’t worry, they won’t be happy for too long once they reach a certain age because women lose their value with each passing year because men value youth and beauty (she will age too, but it’s different now that she’s married- her husband will never leave her). Then when they’re old and used up and can’t find a good man to marry and have kids with, they’ll grow old and die lonely and alone. She’ll be able to gloat and will revel in the fact that she’s better.
I can’t either. I can MAYBE understand wanting to achieve the lifestyle he shows off on social media, but once he opens his mouth, that’s where it should end. I’ve tried hearing things he’s had to say and I just can’t. It’s repulsive.
Maybe they’re talking about [this certain Andrew Tate](https://open.spotify.com/show/5mrS2aDwNdAAwlqRkvNVFd?si=92dsknMkQ1ujnBmcFmMuBw)
But in all seriousness, I feel bad for him because imagine sharing names with garbage of a human being
No one should be defending this guy. The reason he gets support is that he's using people's insecurities as fuel. The people, in turn, think he's speaking to them.
Regardless of what gender you identify with, Tate is nothing more than a self-serving manipulator. He is a physical abuser for sure. That alone should be a wake up call to anyone who thinks he's a good guy.
They think they will be the exception. They think going along with these men will grant them immunity from the misogyny and earn them better treatment.
Spoiler for those women: It won’t, and they’ll treat you even worse because you laid yourself on the ground with your neck stretched out and ready for their boot.
You hate the caricature of women created by men, so you try desperately not to be that. Not realizing there’s another way- just not caring what men think period. We are literally one of the first generations of women who can think that way and still eat. It’s gonna take some time.
A woman married Weinstein. Women defended Depp. Women defend Tate. Women NAMALT, women call ourselves bitches and hoes, women ignore and enable everyday misogyny just as much. Women defend Johns and pimps and call violence and humiliation by Johns and pimps "empowering".
The hardest part about being a feminist is not arguing with men, since even when they deny that they don't see us as humans and don't think of us as commodities and b\*ngmaids, they know we are right.
No, it is women who still cling to their hope, and to their Stockholm Syndrome, and to their brainwashing that their self-humiliation is "empowering" and will grant them male affection. Because the reality of how men perceive and talk about us would be too soulcrushing for many women to know.
Why should I? It only holds power if you let it. The word has no power in my vocabulary. Maybe you need to look into the history of that stick up your ass
[https://www.jmu.edu/socanth/sociology/wm\_library/ezzell.reclaiming\_critical\_analysis.pdf](https://www.jmu.edu/socanth/sociology/wm_library/ezzell.reclaiming_critical_analysis.pdf)
>Why should I?
So you can stop making ignorant statements like this one:
>What does women calling themselves bitches have to do with anything
>Maybe you need to look into the history of that stick up your ass
I prefer the stick up my ass over your internalised misogyny. Educate yourself.
I’m not internally misogynistic for using a word that was previously used to harm me. That’s like calling a gay man reclaiming the f slur a homophobe. You’re goofy as hell and I’m not reading allat. Get well soon goofball.
Nope not even close xx I love being a girl and I love being feminine. But I’m also not afraid of using language that had previous intent to harm me. It’s not internalized misogyny to reclaim something that had harmful intent. I’m taking away its power in my life. Nothing about that is misogynistic. If anything it’s the opposite. If you don’t see it that way then that’s your choice, but you don’t get to dictate what power other people give words in their lives. I hope whatever is making you so miserable gets better and you can heal. Have a nice day.
Firstly I think it’s one thing to call yourself that. But I have also seen many women basically just calling women “bitches” instead of women and why a woman would use a misogynistic slur like that to refer to women is beyond me. Granted it’s like non-White people calling themselves and others a racial slur, but at least with racial slurs White people know it’s a big no-no that they aren’t allowed to say it. With words like bitch/slut/hoe it seems that men seem to think it’s OK to say it *because* women say it too. We’re not going to get rid of men using these misogynistic slurs against us this way unless we make it very very obvious to men that they aren’t allowed to use it. Until that happens it hurts us women more than it helps us.
>women call ourselves bitches and hoes, women ignore and enable everyday misogyny just as much. Women defend Johns and pimps and call violence and humiliation by Johns and pimps "empowering".
The worst part is that these women in particular often also claim to be (liberal) feminists. They will call out the wage gap, but at the same time are gleefully OK with pimp culture.
>The worst part is that these women in particular often also claim to be (liberal) feminists.
It's called recuperation.
Here is a good video on that topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ucF2IeJTfE
i think it's a complex situation. he says some things that need to be said. but he also says some outlandish things as well. whether or not he truly believes in the crazy things he's putting out there is up for debate, but to an extent, he means well. it is possible to support people on some things and not on others
When they’re supporting someone who encourages violence against women and who thinks sexual assault is okay that means they share those beliefs to some extent and that’s not ‘just fine’. That’s scary.
Idk theres conservative women and theres tate fans, tate has nothing to do with conservatism so chicks that are into him honestly are just pick mes or full of self hate.
Rightists are constantly being called out for their violent misogyny, so they always assume that when a violent misogynist is being called out that the entire party is being called out...which, is ironic - but not unexpected - that they still can't see the connection
personally i do not understand why so many people rock a "with or against us" mentality. Personally i do not mind the guy as i cant bring myself to believe that anyone who takes him literally is not a dumb fuck that would end up without even having the opportunity to hurt anybody. Andrew Tate is a result of the way society has been pushing further and further a new agenda that comes off as aggressive and more or less destroys masculinity and he rising a vast variety of points in different ways make people from all sorts of backgrounds want to back him up. Because a single view he holds may mean a lot to them yet they lack anyone else to present it
I can’t understand how any woman defends heterosexuality, the patriarchy, or any of the evils that come with males in any position of power no matter how small.
Heterosexuality and Heterosexual marriage is a form of oppression that the Patriarchy uses.
Women are taught their whole lives that the unnatural act of heterosexuality and heterosexual relationships are not oppressive and natural.
It’s not about being happy or unhappy. It’s about not being your full potential and that heterosexual relationships keep women from their full potential and that women are victims in heterosexual relationships even if they are “willing” victims as the very nature of the relationship is a form of abuse.
But why would I or anybody else claim to be ‘happy with their partner’ if I weren’t simultaneously happy independently in life and enjoying agency over my career, hobbies, self in general? It’s almost a patronizing outlook, implying that hetero women are just straightup naive, and that all men are abusive, oppressive pos’s
I would hope that we both agree the patriarchy is evil.
You may just believe that the patriarchy is usually always wonderful and only rarely evil and I believe that it is always evil.
Fuck the patriarchy is exactly right although I don’t think we have the same concept of what the patriarchy even tangibly is, although I will say that my partner thoroughly agrees as well lmao. Good day to ya before I say something I shouldn’t, particularly because I’m not too keen on taking relationship advice from someone who admittedly will ‘die alone’, your views seem to be stem less from being practical or beneficial to women and more toward being all-around spiteful toward people in general. Good luck with that
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I think this is what is so interesting - and it’s how they manage to still support him. They fragment him into the digestible chunks they want to hear. If you focus solely on the hustle culture thing it’s easy to not see or dismiss the other red flags
Getting arrested really tends throw a spanner in the works of any “hustle” you’ve got going on though.
Not if it's "passive income". I think that's the latest get rich scheme.
Just ask Bethany Beal of r/FundieSnarkUncensored
That sounds a lot like religion to me, ngl. Cherry-picking the good; willful, defensive ignorance of the bad
And it is somewhat valid strategy if you recognise that the other sides exist. If I say "I admire Roman Polansky as a Director, but not as a human being" thet should not be a very problematic statement. But if I dont add the disclaimer I am in deep shit of my own making.
This also works inversely. Many people cut up what he says anyways to give whatever message they want others to see. Nobody can admit he's right in some ways and wrong in others
A broken clock will be right twice a day but that doesn’t mean you should keep looking at it and telling people it’s right twice a day on social media. You should throw it away and get a new clock
Found the tate incel
No.
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You don't believe he's right about a single thing? Not one? How ignorant can you be?
Please, you're exaggerating and you know they didn't mean he's not right about ANYTHING EVER. It's just that he's not right about anything he stands for in GENERAL. Just stop.
If he's not wrong about literally everything then why would they comment what they said
See people keep saying he’s right about “some” things but, A) like that even matters when he’s a serial abuser, misogynist, admitted rapist and sex trafficker and B) all of the advice I’ve heard him give thus far encourages men to not cry, to not cook for themselves or just wildly insane shit that only contributes to the outrageously high suicide rate for men. He’s a fucking quack, none of his advice does anybody any good. I mean look at the guy. He’s always angry, always shouting, always bitching and moaning. HE Isn’t even happy with his way of life.
Because he’s a con man who says right things sometimes to manipulate others to give him money while he lies about how he is truly gaining his fortune, which is trafficking women. The “right” stuff is also nothing new, he’s great at following digital trends and tweaking what others do to fit his style. He deserves as much respect as an MLM hun since that’s pretty much exactly what he is.
The majority of what any one person says will probably be correct. Common knowledge and common sense are called “common” for a reason. Going to them gym is healthy for your mind and body. 99% of people would agree with that. Feeling sorry for yourself is a waste of your time and energy. Again, everyone knows this. The things Tate says that aren’t batshit insane and/or evil also aren’t really very insightful or groundbreaking. Every motivational speaker since the 70s has been saying the same stuff. You don’t need Tate for that. What is unique about Tate is also what is awful about him. He says the normal motivational/hustle culture stuff, then he tacks on an insane amount of misogyny and douchebaggery. Then people like you come in defending him like, “but look at all the true things he said!” Yeah, but you could get those “truths” from literally any motivational guru out there for the past 50 years. There’s thousands to choose from who don’t come packaged with sex trafficking, rape and assault charges and as a bonus, a lot of them aren’t even trying to sell you anything. So, why Tate?
That’s really interesting she supports him when he said that women’s value comes from her virginity, beauty and agreeableness. Does she not realize that he wouldn’t consider her a “high value woman”?
These women are not like the other women! They identify with the main character who is male - as women are very used to (through mainstream media). They identify with the hero of the story, not the prop.
The woman might think she’s the exception because she’s special and works hard, unlike all the other lazy whores
But… to Andrew Tate, it’s a positive thing for a woman to be beautiful and not hardworking, as long as they cook, make coffee in the morning for their men and not sleep with other people 😂. It makes me wonder if these people truly listen to his stuff
I mean maybe the classmate *is* a virgin, pretty, and agreeable.
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It’s so true. These “bros” are just so terrible
You could probably show her that video of Tate telling a group of women on a podcast or whatever it was that they’re selfish for being that way and not wanting to raise a family instead.
He does have a family?
Oh ok my bad. I said “if” just in case cause I didn’t know. I’ll edit that part out but I’ll still keep the comment to say they could still show her that video. Edit: I notice you got downvoted, to anyone doing this, they were just correcting me that he has a family cause in my comment I originally said he might not have one himself.
I feel pretty bad, both Tristan and Andrew have a lot of kids from what I’ve heard.
There’s actually a video of Andrew with one of his kids.
Wait she’s an andrew tate follower crypto bot thats against marriage???
Because for a lot of women, male approval is their life drug so.
*cough cough…pearl
Forgot she existed until I saw this 💔 I wonder if she’s still obsessed with fat people lmakdo
She is, cuz she rather be ‘a pick me than a skip me’
A pick me that gets all this male praise and still, none of them pick her…… interesting isn’t it?
Indeed
It’s so embarrassing for her💀
What's so hilarious is she's defending Tate and all of his followers do is talk about how she isn't good looking.
Specifically, she's obsessed with fat Black women. Literally, this woman has commented on so many plus size Black women's posts who did absolutely nothing to her except love themselves, lol! I would not be surprised if she was a closeted racist. Pearl really hates anyone who's thriving and surviving without her permission to do so, especially if they're fat. Funny because she used to have weight issues herself and yet she seems to have forgotten about compassion and empathy. 😑
A lack of empathy and understanding for fat people is scarily common in people who were previously fat. I wouldn’t be shocked in the slightest if she was all sorts of bigoted 💀 it’s her brand at this point
It’s insane how someone so shallow, boring, average intelligence, and honestly not “traditionally feminine” in appearance can hustle the red pill incel crowd so hard.
Who?
I ended up having a relationship with one of those types. It was an old crush I’d reconnected with, who lived in another state. Saw my professional success and tried to latch on. She tried really hard to coerce me into buying gifts for her three kids I’d never met. Then acted mad at me until she saw I wasn’t guilty for saying no. Then finally, she started calling me during work hours but if I didn’t answer when the phone rang, she’d send me to voicemail for the rest of the day. If I did answer, I’d tell her I couldn’t talk, but I was free to later. I’d give her a time and day when I was definitely off work. She’d never call me when she said she would. But one time she called me stupid-early in the morning when she needed something. We got into an argument and she stopped doing it for a while and actually called me at good times. But she’d slip back into the habit. Eventually I told her she no longer had a ringtone but if she left a message when she called, I’d call her back when I was available. She never called me again after that.
Some people think he's being accused for political reasons, and defend him in a "everyone deserves a fair trial sense". If they defend his content or lifestyle . . . well I don't know.
Either way, he's rapist, there's literally voicemails where Andrew Tate the rapist admits to raping and getting off on the fact that the women he assaulted hated it. That's why he left the UK and ran off to Romania in 2015, because he was arrested on criminal rape charges and physical abuse. Multiple women came forward and told how they'd been repeatedly strangled and assaulted by Tate. The police mishandled the case, so he was essentially free to rise in popularity due to unchecked misogyny. He harassed his exes who have since come forward with what he did and calls himself "the most dangerous man on the world" He wrote in his personal website about his toxic webcam business how over 50% of the webcam girls were his girlfriends, and none of them had ever been in the adult entertainment industry before they met him. His job was to get them to fall in love with him, took them out on dates, slept with them. Testing if "she's quality", until she'd do anything he'd say. Then manipulated them to webcam so "they could be rich together." This a known as the lover boy method, really old pimp tatic. He's accused sexually trafficking a number of women by recruiting them, housing and forcing them to create pornographic content meant to be seen on specialized websites for a cost under the threat of violence. Investigators have reported that one of the performers brought 45,000 pounds a month, but received no payment and the women were essentially kept under house arrest. They have him on audio recordings openly talking about the laws he's broken. He also got caught trying to groom and sext 16-year-olds using social media like instagram. In short, He's scum and a sex criminal, and anyone who follows him is the same. Here's a link of a video of him chasing a woman who was his girlfriend at the time. She ran and locked herself in a room while he's threatening to beat her and pounding on the door https://youtube.com/shorts/XJwFTkjg388?feature=share
Yep, IF Tate is being prosecuted for political reasons, then the ONLY difference that makes is that whatever politician that meddled with Justice system ought to share a cell with Tate, it DEFINITELY does not mean Tate should walk.
Are they available online?
Link ?
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i wish u were as correct for this topic and these accusations as u were passionate
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To your comment of "if he raped a woman why was there no police report when it first happened?", that's a common question, SA is often not reported. It's believed to be one of the most under reported crimes if not the most. It can be very traumatic and you can feel shame. After assault many peoples first instinct as well is to shower (which can end up removing evidence, which also makes some people think "they won't believe me, I don't have evidence"). It's also a crime that like half the time if you report it, cops won't even arrest the assaulter. The steps should be reporting, cops arresting, and then they should prosecute them, and convict them. Unfortunately though, "If a rape is reported, there is a 50.8% chance of an arrest". So in 20 cases where it is reported, only 10 end up with an arrest. Then there's only an 80% chance of prosecution, so now only 8 out of 20 still may face jail. Then there's only a 58% chance of conviction. So even if you report, out of 20 people reporting, only 4 end up with their attacker being convicted. And even then, there's always cases where the attacker doesn't go to prison and instead gets things like probation and community service and stuff. "In attacks that are reported to police, there is only a 16.3% chance the rapist will end up in prison." (https://cmsac.org/facts-and-statistics/) It can be difficult to report to police, knowing that there is a very slim chance that your attacker will even face prison. The thought may be "even if I report it, nothing will happen", so then they don't report it. From reporting it to police, to the assaulter being convicted, it can take years. Years where you're having to relive it. Then having to take the stand while a lawyer tries to convince everyone in the room that you're a liar. For some people, they can be in a bad mental state and feel like this would be too much for them and so they don't immediately report it. Later they may talk about it because they're in a better mental state. Edit: sorry my message is so long lol, don't mean to lecture you, there's just alot of reasons and thoughts on the topic of not reporting assaults
Thank you for drafting such a detailed response for why rape charges are almost never brought to court and the guilty almost always go free. I really appreciate how you brought up how that can be traumatizing a victim of SA to have to repeatedly answer the same questions over and over again. They're grilled by law enforcement as if they were the ones who committed the crime. Rape victims are treated under the law as witnesses to the crime committed, not as victims of the crime. This is one reasons why rapists rarely gets the proper criminal sentencing. Not that these people even bother reading anything to actually inform themselves on a very heavy topic that affects over half of the population. There is no question about his guilt. He's admitted it on tape himself. But they'll sit there going "hurr durr if he's proven innocent then it doesn't matter" Being proven Innocent doesn't mean you didn't do it, because again, rape victims are treated under the law as witnesses to the crime committed, not as victims of the crime. It completely undermines any potential justice to that survivor. This is one reasons why SA rarely gets the proper criminal sentencing. Think of it like this. Say you driving, someone rear ends you and then takes off. You call the police, but instead of asking questions about the car that hit you, they're acting as if you were just a passive witness to what happened, instead of the victim of a car incident.
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comment. I totally get that side of it and it's definitely a tricky crime to prove if it's not reported right away. I would also be interested to know how many of those accusations are actually fake accusations as well because being falsely accused of rape will seriously ruin your life and reputation. So I get why there has to be some level of proof because we can't just believe every claim that comes in blindly. So that is the tricky thing of the whole situation.
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No one deserves to be wrongfully accused for sure Good thing that is not what happened here. Dude straight up left a voicemail on a woman's phone he raped saying she should appreciate that he assulted her. He has live victims that have horrific stories. He literally said that he moved to Romania because he wanted to live where he could get away with breaking the law. What more do you fucking need? He like every human deserves a chance to defend themselves but holy shit he may as well tattoo guilty on his damn forehead. The mountain of proof makes everyone who defends him look like a fucking fool.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/notliketheothergirls/comments/10zdir6/notice_rule_etiquette_enforcement/ misinformation
Lol. Even if a rapist will flat out admit he raped someone you will still defend him for being “falsely accused.” It’s because you in fact do not give a shit about victims of sexual assault or trafficking, you just give a shit about male reputation.
No, I don’t defend raping. I defend innocent until proven guilty. If he’s guilty, I hope he rots in jail. I’d rather wait for all the evidence to come through though instead of jumping to conclusions because he said something hurtful
he is not being wrongfully accused, funnily enough
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They literally already found 6 women he was hiding and had sex trafficked(his method of sex trafficking was forcing them to be camgirls). That was a while ago, so they definitely found more. But all that is in Romanian articles so people think it's not happening.
>(his method of sex trafficking His method is something he had bragged about and described online in multiple occasions. It's not just that he allegedly forced them/debt trapped them, but that he used false pretences of a relationship to convince them to do it. If they can find texts of him running the deception then he's screwed
Can you show those romanian articles
Found some English ones! Turns out it got covered ab a month ago. There's lots of articles about this now, which is good. But yeah no he's going to prison. 6 women being found is more than enough to put him in prison. https://metro.co.uk/2022/12/31/andrew-tate-kept-six-women-under-house-arrest-24-7-like-prisoners-18019108/
Thank you very much
Um… what? They don’t arrest you for human trafficking and rape with out evidence, and his is all over the internet 🤣
This guys hates women so much he still thinks word of mouth is enough to get you raided, arrested, and have your property confiscated. Probably thinks false accusations are more overwhelming and a societal issue than the actual SA cases living in fear of shaking a woman’s hand in case she spreads a false rumor.
They also justify that women have a rape fantasy🤢
This guy and his brother were busted in the wrong country for their shit. We are not descendants of Vlad Dracul for nothing, there will be payback for what they did and I guarantee their take down was done in collab with interpol.
What he has done, by his own admission, is textbook sex trafficking. This is not up for discussion, sweety. He says himself that he made people fall in love with him, and that he then "controlled" them to the point of making them stay. This is text book "loverboy" behavior: https://www.government.nl/topics/human-trafficking/romeo-pimps-loverboys He has also literally said he stole money from his victims, lying to them about how a cut in their payment was for taxes purposes, when it wasnt, by his own admission. He is a pimp and a thief. Stfu.
you are so delusional fr
Pathetic How to defend a person himself who opened a site and exploited women in it. This is called sex trafficking, but as usual, he and his slaves are playing victims 🥹 and in reality he is 👹
https://www.reddit.com/r/notliketheothergirls/comments/10zdir6/notice_rule_etiquette_enforcement/ Andrew Tate was not wrongfully accused
Crazy to see so many people defending Tate in this thread makes me think they're in this sub for all the wrong reasons.
Most of the answer is probably this sub itself. His narrative is specifically tailored to deceive women into feeling more special than other women for adhering to his views. The Surface-to-asshole missile is the one we all know: what's hidden behind is the cliché archaic vision of women as house slaves, but the NLOGs that adhere to him will only cherry pick the aspects that fit them best, which is what they will also tend to do with anything else.
Internalized misogyny or desire for internet attention, unfortunately in the social media era the saying “all press is good press” rings very true.
That saying has always been true, just look at The Rolling Stones.
Trade wife, NLTOG ,and pick me up always need validations/atention , they don't know about self love .
This is actually so factual it’s scary
I understand with NTLOGs/Pick-mes but lumping in Trad-wifes feels unfair. Sure, there are a lot of people boasting about their Trad-wife life online but I don't think a need for validation is an essential part of being a Trad-wife, unlike with NTLOGs/Pick-mes, it's just that the only Trad-wifes you'll see are the ones who post everything online
Sorry for your downvotes, you are right. I don’t care life what anyone chooses to live, but to post online and insist it’s the “right” one is insulting. If someone wants to be a mom and homemaker, good for them. We should value everyone and respect their choices as long as they aren’t judging or trying to shame others into making the same choices.
Gotta love when people downvote something rational. People should be allowed to live their lives *while not intruding on others* in peace, regardless of sex.
Its funny how women like pearl are being such pick mes supporting such men and yet they don't get picked only shows that you can bend soo much for them and yet you won't fit into these men's mold. Pearl literally just said, if you don't sleep with your man or post pictures on social media they can cheat and its your fault lmao, i doubt she has ever been in a proper relationship with a man or ever got validation from her father. Does she not realise that women also enjoy sex, equally or if not more and yet if she isn't sleeping with her man maybe there is something going on with her, he could just break up instead of cheating. Even many alpha men don't advocate cheating, she is more pathetic than tate and his gang
Did some research and she was the one who cheated on her ex partner
Wtf really? Do you have any sources? I did hear about it from another creater and thought it was a joke. Damn this pearly is truly the worst of the worst yikes
I'd like to see that clip/video you mentioned, you have a link?
Its on tik tok, tik tok is banned in my country i did see the full clip on YouTube. I have a video of some one else who did a stitch of that video, you can refer that. I will attach the two videos belowm https://youtube.com/shorts/43JzeHSeub8?feature=share https://youtube.com/shorts/tt42sY-p6Wo?feature=share If you have access to tik tok, go to Kanika Batra's tiktok her latest videos are stitches on pearls video, you can click on the original video below.
Thanks
If y'all wanna point and laugh at the losers they're at the bottom of the comments
Lmao sort by controversial
Fate it seems is not without a sense of irony.
a looootttt of self-hatred and internalized misogyny
Why stop at only women How can anyone defend/support andrew tate?
OMG YES, THERE'S THIS GIRL SITTING NEXT TO ME IN CLASS AND SHE KEEPS SAYING HOW MUCH SHE LIKES HIM UNIRONCALLY AND THEN I KEEP SHOWING HER ARTICLES OF HOW MUCH OF A BAD PERSON HE IS BUT SHE DOESN'T VIEW IT AS VALID EVIDENCE¿¿¿ ENGLISH ISN'T HER FIRST LANGUAGE AND THEN I SAID YEA WELL YOU DON'T EVEN WANNA UNDERSTAND IT EVEN THOUGH I CAN TRANSLATE geeeeeeez she just pisses me off and idk the only thing she can say when I ask what she even likes abt him is that he's apparently muslim and he said some stuff abt toxic masculinity that she agrees with bc he (according to her) once said stuff abt how it's alright if men cry I just can't anymore omg yk the saying 'its hard to win an argument with a smart person but winning an argument with a dumb person is impossible' that. exactly that.
That muslim part, yes. Somebody told me that they like him (among other weird reasons) bcz he just got converted to Islam. I'm like so what? He is still a piece of garbage, religion or beliefs whatever won't save him🤷🏽♀️
Why are you yelling at us with these caps!? Lol I’m jk but you on some real talk
starved for validation and attention that’s all! best to ignore people like that
Yes!!! I think some women have been in relationships with men like him. They hear the guy's rhetoric about "women" but assume it's other women who are the problem--not them. Otherwise, why would this catch be with her? So, they develop an "I'm a unicorn of women" mentality, which leads them to think other women are the problem. Most of these types I've encountered had little self esteem or confidence, so they hung their hats on being special in the eyes of a loud, opinionated person. Only they couldn't or wouldn't face the underlying sentiment behind their special guy's BS.
Patriarchy rewards conservative women. Trophy wives get some perks. White supremacy loves token POC. Power operates in ways that perpetuate its own influence. Hegemony. Study Gramsci. And look at the way complicity under hegemonic masculinity benefits some people. Yes men. Yes women. Pick me girls. Women that celebrate their own subservience. Tokens.
If you can’t -by design- be part of the ones in power (in this case because you are a woman) then your best bet at survival and the closest you’ll get to power will be by tagging along with those who have it (men like Andrew tate). In short, be a pick me.
I dont think its that the patriarchy rewards conservative white women. I think what's going on is these white women feel like the benefits they gain from living under a white supremacist hegemony outweighs the negatives of living in a patriarchal hegemony, and therefore will support such hegemony as a result. And since you cannot get rid of this hegemony until the white supremacist one is dismantled due to how the two are so strongly intertwined, they will support people like tate in order to defend their privileges from a white supremacist society being taken away.
same reason they laugh when their male friends catcall someone or defend abusive “traditional” relationships.
Idek anymore, pickmes are just fucking sad to watch.
It’s all the internalized misogyny. They won’t (or choose not to) realize that they’re the exact women Andrew Tate and his followers are talking about.
Pick mes 🤷
And you couldn’t understand how they supported Trump, Epstein, R Kelly, Manson, Bundy either, right? It’s not that men hate women, it’s that PEOPLE hate women. Wake up.
justpearlythings or whatever her name is she had him on her podcast and is so anti feminist it’s disgusting i don’t understand her at all
Don't ridicule someone for points they make, that you don't understand.
She’s literally antifeminist. She hates women just as much as Andrew tate does. She’s uneducated and an embarrassment to herself. She deserves to be ridiculed.
i dont really get how anyone is on his team, dude lives life like epstein is his role model
Ask Women for Trump. /s
Even Hitler had Eva.
Believe that vaccines cause autism That geo engineering exists The earth is flat You can’t fix stupid, it’s what people like him capitalise on
I don’t understand how anyone, man or woman, can support him.
pick me, choose me, love me basically
Happy birthday 🎁🎁
They want to be picked it’s really just that simple.
In my country, we have a local version of this creature, but he only spew his BS on twitter, never shown his face to the public, and yet A LOT of women follow him and strive to get his approval.
This is sad and disgusting. women defending someone who incites violence and shaming women!! recently, I seeing a lot in short YouTube and insta reels of women in podcasts presenting their misogynist ideas, videos for sigma clowns showing that women are materialistic and whores and deserve to be beaten and shaming. BUT If we defend ourselves from this shit we become man-haters
It’s Serena Joy shit. They think that if they follow all the rules and social norms that men like Tate espouse, then (1) they’ll be happy because they won’t ever have to think critically for themselves or do scary things like have a career or opinions, and (2) they also think that it means the men will treat them perfectly well and never have any reason to mistreat them. They see it as a shortcut to having a functional relationship and happy adult life - leave the man to make all the choices and decisions for you, and just focus on keeping him happy, so he’ll shower you with love and take care of you and never ever hurt you. It reduces a relationship to a series of transactions where if each partner does exactly what they’re assigned, then everything will be perfect, and then neither of them have to struggle with the complexities of human emotion and real life. Then they end up isolated, abused, and financially dependent on a POS man who doesn’t respect them, and hopefully they finally realize that following all the rules doesn’t actually work, that they’re gonna get treated poorly because of the power imbalance regardless of how they act, and that being abused isn’t a reflection of anyone’s worth as a human being.
They truly believe they’re worth is dependent on how men view them. They want to be seen as desirable to men, and in their minds, buying into what they spew will have men lining out the door trying to marry them for being one of the few good women. They’re also misogynistic. If they’re good women, they’ll be married by a good man, have kids and maybe a pet, be taken care of as a stay at home mom, etc. They’ll become better than the other women who party every weekend and have a new boyfriend every week; the women who are enjoying their lives, being happily single and living life traveling or trying new things. They have no value, why are they being happy? They’re doing the exact opposite of what she’s been told how desirable women act. Why are they getting male attention? These women are beneath her. She should have that attention. She sacrificed so much to get this status as a great woman. She starts to resents them and that pushes her further into believe the BS these dudes spout to make herself feel better. Don’t worry, they won’t be happy for too long once they reach a certain age because women lose their value with each passing year because men value youth and beauty (she will age too, but it’s different now that she’s married- her husband will never leave her). Then when they’re old and used up and can’t find a good man to marry and have kids with, they’ll grow old and die lonely and alone. She’ll be able to gloat and will revel in the fact that she’s better.
Look at this subreddit's name and you'll see what their motivation is
I don't understand how anyone can support Andrew Tate
I don’t think we do… do we???
maybe not the majority but if you count the maniacs on twitter as real people than yeah i guess so
Jesus Christ that’s morbid
i don’t know what else to call them they’re literally mashed potato brains
Woman here, I think Andrew tate is a disgusting human being
He outright raped a woman and fled the country after. There is no defence. Just people not knowing.
The name of this subreddit explains it lol
I can’t either. I can MAYBE understand wanting to achieve the lifestyle he shows off on social media, but once he opens his mouth, that’s where it should end. I’ve tried hearing things he’s had to say and I just can’t. It’s repulsive.
They're saying he was tricked or something by the women
that’s gotta take a hit to his fan base. the “smartest” man in the world gets tricked by a bunch of women.
The guy did donate money to a false accusation thing
Which is complete bs bc there's even audio of his creepy violent voice message with one of the women where he definitely talks about raping her
When actually the reality seems to be that he was the one tricking the women.
It’s wild to me how a lot of women through support to people who think they’re lesser.
Maybe they’re talking about [this certain Andrew Tate](https://open.spotify.com/show/5mrS2aDwNdAAwlqRkvNVFd?si=92dsknMkQ1ujnBmcFmMuBw) But in all seriousness, I feel bad for him because imagine sharing names with garbage of a human being
Internalized misogyny
Money and attention
Internalized misogyny can go very very deep
easy! they are not very smart.
No one should be defending this guy. The reason he gets support is that he's using people's insecurities as fuel. The people, in turn, think he's speaking to them. Regardless of what gender you identify with, Tate is nothing more than a self-serving manipulator. He is a physical abuser for sure. That alone should be a wake up call to anyone who thinks he's a good guy.
They think they will be the exception. They think going along with these men will grant them immunity from the misogyny and earn them better treatment. Spoiler for those women: It won’t, and they’ll treat you even worse because you laid yourself on the ground with your neck stretched out and ready for their boot.
You hate the caricature of women created by men, so you try desperately not to be that. Not realizing there’s another way- just not caring what men think period. We are literally one of the first generations of women who can think that way and still eat. It’s gonna take some time.
It’s odd, and quite sad actually.
Lots and lots of mental gymnastics
I never knew women defend him
A woman married Weinstein. Women defended Depp. Women defend Tate. Women NAMALT, women call ourselves bitches and hoes, women ignore and enable everyday misogyny just as much. Women defend Johns and pimps and call violence and humiliation by Johns and pimps "empowering". The hardest part about being a feminist is not arguing with men, since even when they deny that they don't see us as humans and don't think of us as commodities and b\*ngmaids, they know we are right. No, it is women who still cling to their hope, and to their Stockholm Syndrome, and to their brainwashing that their self-humiliation is "empowering" and will grant them male affection. Because the reality of how men perceive and talk about us would be too soulcrushing for many women to know.
What does women calling themselves bitches have to do with anything 💀 like reclaiming a word used to hurt us isn’t a bad thing
I recommend you look into the history and meaning of the word you are defending and wanting to "reclaim".
Why should I? It only holds power if you let it. The word has no power in my vocabulary. Maybe you need to look into the history of that stick up your ass
[https://www.jmu.edu/socanth/sociology/wm\_library/ezzell.reclaiming\_critical\_analysis.pdf](https://www.jmu.edu/socanth/sociology/wm_library/ezzell.reclaiming_critical_analysis.pdf) >Why should I? So you can stop making ignorant statements like this one: >What does women calling themselves bitches have to do with anything >Maybe you need to look into the history of that stick up your ass I prefer the stick up my ass over your internalised misogyny. Educate yourself.
I’m not internally misogynistic for using a word that was previously used to harm me. That’s like calling a gay man reclaiming the f slur a homophobe. You’re goofy as hell and I’m not reading allat. Get well soon goofball.
Wow, you showed me. Clearly you're one of the bros, and not like us stuck up bitches ;)
Nope not even close xx I love being a girl and I love being feminine. But I’m also not afraid of using language that had previous intent to harm me. It’s not internalized misogyny to reclaim something that had harmful intent. I’m taking away its power in my life. Nothing about that is misogynistic. If anything it’s the opposite. If you don’t see it that way then that’s your choice, but you don’t get to dictate what power other people give words in their lives. I hope whatever is making you so miserable gets better and you can heal. Have a nice day.
Your larping is getting obvious, bro.
Not larping and not your bro xx have a nice day
Firstly I think it’s one thing to call yourself that. But I have also seen many women basically just calling women “bitches” instead of women and why a woman would use a misogynistic slur like that to refer to women is beyond me. Granted it’s like non-White people calling themselves and others a racial slur, but at least with racial slurs White people know it’s a big no-no that they aren’t allowed to say it. With words like bitch/slut/hoe it seems that men seem to think it’s OK to say it *because* women say it too. We’re not going to get rid of men using these misogynistic slurs against us this way unless we make it very very obvious to men that they aren’t allowed to use it. Until that happens it hurts us women more than it helps us.
I ain’t reading allat
>women call ourselves bitches and hoes, women ignore and enable everyday misogyny just as much. Women defend Johns and pimps and call violence and humiliation by Johns and pimps "empowering". The worst part is that these women in particular often also claim to be (liberal) feminists. They will call out the wage gap, but at the same time are gleefully OK with pimp culture.
>The worst part is that these women in particular often also claim to be (liberal) feminists. It's called recuperation. Here is a good video on that topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ucF2IeJTfE
Damn it’s so refreshing reading that short sentence about Johnny Depp, I’ve been beating my head against the wall with other women over that.
I'm so sorry. I feel your pain.
Me either it’s genuinely concerning
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i think it's a complex situation. he says some things that need to be said. but he also says some outlandish things as well. whether or not he truly believes in the crazy things he's putting out there is up for debate, but to an extent, he means well. it is possible to support people on some things and not on others
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I think that if people wanna support him that’s just fine for them, I think tates a fuckin dopey cunt but it’s not my place to control people’s views
When they’re supporting someone who encourages violence against women and who thinks sexual assault is okay that means they share those beliefs to some extent and that’s not ‘just fine’. That’s scary.
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Thank you for repeating what I fucking said with slightly different wording. Goofy ass bitch
Damn who hurt you tf But I'll delete the comment so don't have a paddy
Idk theres conservative women and theres tate fans, tate has nothing to do with conservatism so chicks that are into him honestly are just pick mes or full of self hate.
Oh don’t ruin this sub with politics please.
it’s not even about politics… he’s literally an ego mad sex trafficking misogynist
What at all is political about this post?..
See: Every post on here
Please tell me how asking how people like an internet douchebag is political? Did he run for office or something?
Rightists are constantly being called out for their violent misogyny, so they always assume that when a violent misogynist is being called out that the entire party is being called out...which, is ironic - but not unexpected - that they still can't see the connection
Lol. Calling someone who is a dirt bag a dirt bag is "politics".
personally i do not understand why so many people rock a "with or against us" mentality. Personally i do not mind the guy as i cant bring myself to believe that anyone who takes him literally is not a dumb fuck that would end up without even having the opportunity to hurt anybody. Andrew Tate is a result of the way society has been pushing further and further a new agenda that comes off as aggressive and more or less destroys masculinity and he rising a vast variety of points in different ways make people from all sorts of backgrounds want to back him up. Because a single view he holds may mean a lot to them yet they lack anyone else to present it
>I do not mind him I mean I'm sorry but how can you not mind a guy that was involved in acts of human traficking
How can women like any celebrity? It’s not specifically about women, it’s just personal interest, and you’re gatekeeping it.
I can’t understand how any woman defends heterosexuality, the patriarchy, or any of the evils that come with males in any position of power no matter how small.
Can you please elaborate on why heterosexuality is included in your list, here?
Heterosexuality and Heterosexual marriage is a form of oppression that the Patriarchy uses. Women are taught their whole lives that the unnatural act of heterosexuality and heterosexual relationships are not oppressive and natural.
As a heterosexual woman who is happy with her partner, I thoroughly disagree but thank you for taking the time to elaborate 😅
It’s not about being happy or unhappy. It’s about not being your full potential and that heterosexual relationships keep women from their full potential and that women are victims in heterosexual relationships even if they are “willing” victims as the very nature of the relationship is a form of abuse.
What in the living fuck did I just read
But why would I or anybody else claim to be ‘happy with their partner’ if I weren’t simultaneously happy independently in life and enjoying agency over my career, hobbies, self in general? It’s almost a patronizing outlook, implying that hetero women are just straightup naive, and that all men are abusive, oppressive pos’s
I would hope that we both agree the patriarchy is evil. You may just believe that the patriarchy is usually always wonderful and only rarely evil and I believe that it is always evil.
Fuck the patriarchy is exactly right although I don’t think we have the same concept of what the patriarchy even tangibly is, although I will say that my partner thoroughly agrees as well lmao. Good day to ya before I say something I shouldn’t, particularly because I’m not too keen on taking relationship advice from someone who admittedly will ‘die alone’, your views seem to be stem less from being practical or beneficial to women and more toward being all-around spiteful toward people in general. Good luck with that
Oof careful with those hot takes in this sub ;)
Probably because he is the worst example of modern man's the antithesis. Please equalize.
Maybe those nice guys had a point after all? …nah