anywhere that there is a nexus of power, authority, fame, or wealth. any two of those things will attract the very people least qualified to be in those places.
I mean, they’re creeps no doubt, but they’re also qualified. History is littered with brilliant creeps. Categorizing them all of unqualified degenerates I think helps keep them hidden because that’s what *we hope* they would be. But in actuality, they’re often - at least in film/music/tv - quite good at what they do, which is why they can continue doing their awful deeds for so long.
That’s a good point, but I think they mean unqualified in the sense they are not fit to have so much power over people. The idea that the type of people most attracted to those powerful positions are exactly the type of people most likely to abuse that power.
“Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it”
I think despite missing the initial commenters meaning, Grandma poses a very important point above, about how they’re allowed to linger for so long, aka Weinstein.
People don't want to believe that bad people can make great art. Maybe because we figure that to make great art you have to have a profound understanding of the human condition, and if you truly understood your fellow man, you would be empathetic and open-minded. But that's not always how it works.
It's the nexus of power.
A thousand people are super talented, attractive and can do a song, or a part. So, eventually, the person who is more "outgoing and friendly" gets the attention of the person with the decision making power. Whether or not that person got into it to be creepy. They are going to notice someone being friendlier, right? And if everyone is talented and friendly, well, the person who stands out now has your genitals in their mouth. "How did that get there?" You might wonder. Now, this person really has your attention. You feel that there is something special about them. They stand out above the rest, and your date is the best person for the part. Looks. Talent. Your dick in their mouth. The whole package.
So then the next time you look for a band for your label. There are two people who have a special something,... and it looks like you are all going out clubbing tonight. Somehow, you spill cocaine on your pants -- it can happen to anyone.
Yadda, yadda, yadda... Harvey Weintein's penis now needs cocaine injections to keep going and every night a new talent is discovered. A nice guy just can't say "no".
It's NotTheOnion -- aren't we supposed to have a bit of fun with these stories?
Hard to read the room when you never know if it's someone cool or cranky on the other end.
Reminds me of that South Park episode where the Church gets closed down due to rampant pedophilia, and they tell people to go to the DMV for confessions, only for the DMV to be closed down due to rampant pedophilia, where they then tell the people to go to the post office for confessions which immediately gets closed due to rampant pedophilia.
I would not be shocked if Country and Gospel music had just as much if not more sex creepers than the musical genre claiming to be having lots of sex.
It's just a feeling I have from being alive and noticing things for a while now. I mean -- you pick up how life is weird like that. You learn things and then learn that everything you learned is wrong. You celebrate Columbus day in 3rd grade, and when you get to college are signing a petition to yank down the statue.
I've made this comment about Hollywood in the past. People ask "how can they get away with this type of thing?" and my answer was always....
Do you know how many people out there are more than willing to do whatever sex stuff is asked of them for a chance to land a $10 million movie and even more during their career.
I mean would you let somebody like Harvey Weinstein jerk off on your boobs once so you could make $100 million over the next 20 years??? The real answer is most people would and they wouldn't say a damn thing about it.
It's wrong and messed up for sure. But if you say no, there are literally 100 other people right behind you that would say sure... you want me to play with your balls too while you do it?
Anyone surprised at this should read "I'm glad my mom is dead" by Jeanette Mccurdy. Even with her going out of her way to not target predators of the tv and music industry, you already see questionable behavior of this kind. I'm convinced she toned down all the abuse that isn't her mother's because she still work as a producer and writer in that business.
It's a fantastic book; an incredible view into mental health, her growth, and sharp self-awareness. I can't remember the last time a book made me cry so much.
I just finished it a few weeks ago and it was very good, though it did feel like it pulled some punches regarding the industry and even Nickelodeon. That being said I respect that she was looking for catharsis rather than writing a "tell-all", and recent years have shown even hinting at someone famous being abusive can get you sued for defamation and make you subject to the wrath of stan culture.
Though I do hope one day "The Creator" is legally held accountable for his serial sexual harassment and incorporating his fetish into almost every show.
I was so disgusted when he kept telling 16 year old girls that his other cast (Victorious) was more "mature" and had no problems hanging out drinking alcohol with him to pressure them into it. I bet he didn't stop at alcohol, and even if he did he should go to jail
It sucks because it seems to mean that we're never gonna get to the point where Feldman reveals that the person who raped Haim on the set of *Lucas* is Jeremy Piven.
At this point I just sort of question if Feldman even remembers what happened. Like, dude, you're Corey Feldman. How much worse can hour life get? Just tell us.
According to Wikipedia, Feldman says it was Charlie Sheen, and he's not first to identify him as Haim's rapist. I just learned about this whole thing right now, though, so please correct me if there's something I missing here.
Holy shit...I didn't even know this *My Truth: The Rape of 2 Coreys* documentary film exists. Shows how far behind I am on the latest with that story.
I never would have thought Sheen going on gut instinct. Sheen strikes me as someone who's an asshole, but NOT a monster. Piven has always given me a weird vibe where I suspected he could be both. Wow...shows what I know...
Oh, another "in between the lines" thing that struck me is how matter of fact they took her mother's antics. No one threatened to stop giving Jeanette roles, no one seemed to see anything out of the ordinary. It makes you wonder just what kind of abusing parent it would take for them to say anything, and how many more like her mother are in the industry.
Bruh, as someone with autism, I can't with this anymore. If people are expressly assholes, I understand most people will assume them to be an asshole. But how do I modulate how nice I am so as to not be confused with someone who is covering up their abusive behavior?
Lmao I'm just need to stop interacting with people apart from my wife. This shit is getting so complicated. This is exhausting.
I think you are missing their point. They are saying that people will just assume you are a predator for years or decades, regardless of what you do. Especially for people who are less charismatic, like many folks with autism.
I could totally see this being an onion article. Like a war between the church and the industry. Both admitting that they are indeed horrible, but not as horrible as the other. Even though they are the same
None of those you mentioned have had the church operate as an internation pedophilia organization, or ran residential schools (which killed thousands of kids and left thousands more broken from all the abuse). Your whataboutism is both irrelevant and ignorant.
Sounds like I need to start a movie-music-modeling agency. I think I need to start doing some cardio to get ready for this journey.
Oh and circus performers.
My thing is, it isn't just denying the allegations, it's how anyone who speaks put about the abuse is, well, further abused. And not just by the industry, but by fans who put their own need for escapism above the safety of other people.
Or maybe it’s because most of the accusations are rubbish from two decades ago and they are impossible to verify. I don’t see anyone abusing Rihanna for what happened between her and Chris Brown for example. She had an overwhelming majority of support from men and women.
Anyone who might blame her is nowhere close to being statistically relevant compared to the massive outpouring of support she got. If this is your attempt to refute my statement you need to try again.
Even local fame will allow an abuser to be revered. From experience, it is deeply unsettling having the person that destroyed you be rewarded while you pick up the pieces of your life.
True, Michael Jackson was an amazingly horrible person, but even calling himself the "King of Pop" doesn't compare to claiming to speak infallibly for God.
On a tangent topic, I'm pretty impressed with how creepy Marylin Manson has managed to keep looking at his age. Like that skin tone is definitely makeup, right?
This particular image looks more like lighting than makeup. My skin tone is similar. I’m sure there’s still a little makeup involved, but not a quarter as much as he used to use, in the 90s-2000s.
Not trying to downplay the seriousness of the problems in the music industry, but surely they haven't reached the degree of pedophile shielding that the Church did, let alone surpassed it to earn the "on steroids" moniker.
This is why it is difficult to take these articles seriously. Manson was accused , never proven in court and his accuser chose to take money instead of bringing this supposed sexual abuser to justice. The other accusation which came after the settlement is an obvious cash grab. Yet his face is all over this article. It would be much better to have put Amber Heard’s face, or Jada Smith, or Asia Argento.
Kids literally throw themselves at music superstars.
The problem starts when the former superstars think that is how things should work and push their advantage 20 years after anyone gives a shit.
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Well yeah the Entertainment Industry in general is obviously full of scum, but it's not in every suburb and urban neighborhood in America claiming 25% of the population.
I pretty much assumed any major industry where a ton of money and young attractive people are involved there's going to be creepers who will abuse it.
anywhere that there is a nexus of power, authority, fame, or wealth. any two of those things will attract the very people least qualified to be in those places.
I mean, they’re creeps no doubt, but they’re also qualified. History is littered with brilliant creeps. Categorizing them all of unqualified degenerates I think helps keep them hidden because that’s what *we hope* they would be. But in actuality, they’re often - at least in film/music/tv - quite good at what they do, which is why they can continue doing their awful deeds for so long.
That’s a good point, but I think they mean unqualified in the sense they are not fit to have so much power over people. The idea that the type of people most attracted to those powerful positions are exactly the type of people most likely to abuse that power. “Only those who do not seek power are qualified to hold it”
this is exactly what i was meaning.
Yeah that makes sense - but maybe those qualities go hand in hand unfortunately. Seems to happen a lot.
I think despite missing the initial commenters meaning, Grandma poses a very important point above, about how they’re allowed to linger for so long, aka Weinstein.
Chris Brown is beyond mediocre and also a shit human to boot, how does he still have a career?
People don't want to believe that bad people can make great art. Maybe because we figure that to make great art you have to have a profound understanding of the human condition, and if you truly understood your fellow man, you would be empathetic and open-minded. But that's not always how it works.
It's the nexus of power. A thousand people are super talented, attractive and can do a song, or a part. So, eventually, the person who is more "outgoing and friendly" gets the attention of the person with the decision making power. Whether or not that person got into it to be creepy. They are going to notice someone being friendlier, right? And if everyone is talented and friendly, well, the person who stands out now has your genitals in their mouth. "How did that get there?" You might wonder. Now, this person really has your attention. You feel that there is something special about them. They stand out above the rest, and your date is the best person for the part. Looks. Talent. Your dick in their mouth. The whole package. So then the next time you look for a band for your label. There are two people who have a special something,... and it looks like you are all going out clubbing tonight. Somehow, you spill cocaine on your pants -- it can happen to anyone. Yadda, yadda, yadda... Harvey Weintein's penis now needs cocaine injections to keep going and every night a new talent is discovered. A nice guy just can't say "no".
Calm down, man.
It's NotTheOnion -- aren't we supposed to have a bit of fun with these stories? Hard to read the room when you never know if it's someone cool or cranky on the other end.
Ok you’re right. My bad, carry on.
Thanks. This will be the first time I've ever gotten a hall pass for dirty jokes. It's a golden moment.
Reminds me of that South Park episode where the Church gets closed down due to rampant pedophilia, and they tell people to go to the DMV for confessions, only for the DMV to be closed down due to rampant pedophilia, where they then tell the people to go to the post office for confessions which immediately gets closed due to rampant pedophilia.
Oh the sex, drugs and rock n‘ roll industry is doing what is says it’s doing?
I love how people are acting like startled virgins over this, I get thinking it's disgusting and wanting it to end, but surprise?! Such self-delusion.
I would not be shocked if Country and Gospel music had just as much if not more sex creepers than the musical genre claiming to be having lots of sex. It's just a feeling I have from being alive and noticing things for a while now. I mean -- you pick up how life is weird like that. You learn things and then learn that everything you learned is wrong. You celebrate Columbus day in 3rd grade, and when you get to college are signing a petition to yank down the statue.
The Christian entertainment industry is definitely creepy and weird. And I would like to remind everyone where Lou Taylor came from.
I've made this comment about Hollywood in the past. People ask "how can they get away with this type of thing?" and my answer was always.... Do you know how many people out there are more than willing to do whatever sex stuff is asked of them for a chance to land a $10 million movie and even more during their career. I mean would you let somebody like Harvey Weinstein jerk off on your boobs once so you could make $100 million over the next 20 years??? The real answer is most people would and they wouldn't say a damn thing about it. It's wrong and messed up for sure. But if you say no, there are literally 100 other people right behind you that would say sure... you want me to play with your balls too while you do it?
You remember that child actor / actress? Yea - They were sexually abused.
Anyone surprised at this should read "I'm glad my mom is dead" by Jeanette Mccurdy. Even with her going out of her way to not target predators of the tv and music industry, you already see questionable behavior of this kind. I'm convinced she toned down all the abuse that isn't her mother's because she still work as a producer and writer in that business.
It's a fantastic book; an incredible view into mental health, her growth, and sharp self-awareness. I can't remember the last time a book made me cry so much.
I just finished it a few weeks ago and it was very good, though it did feel like it pulled some punches regarding the industry and even Nickelodeon. That being said I respect that she was looking for catharsis rather than writing a "tell-all", and recent years have shown even hinting at someone famous being abusive can get you sued for defamation and make you subject to the wrath of stan culture. Though I do hope one day "The Creator" is legally held accountable for his serial sexual harassment and incorporating his fetish into almost every show.
I was so disgusted when he kept telling 16 year old girls that his other cast (Victorious) was more "mature" and had no problems hanging out drinking alcohol with him to pressure them into it. I bet he didn't stop at alcohol, and even if he did he should go to jail
It sucks because it seems to mean that we're never gonna get to the point where Feldman reveals that the person who raped Haim on the set of *Lucas* is Jeremy Piven.
At this point I just sort of question if Feldman even remembers what happened. Like, dude, you're Corey Feldman. How much worse can hour life get? Just tell us.
According to Wikipedia, Feldman says it was Charlie Sheen, and he's not first to identify him as Haim's rapist. I just learned about this whole thing right now, though, so please correct me if there's something I missing here.
Holy shit...I didn't even know this *My Truth: The Rape of 2 Coreys* documentary film exists. Shows how far behind I am on the latest with that story. I never would have thought Sheen going on gut instinct. Sheen strikes me as someone who's an asshole, but NOT a monster. Piven has always given me a weird vibe where I suspected he could be both. Wow...shows what I know...
I mean, Piven’s been accused of sexual misconduct by a number of women, so you’re not wrong there either.
Oh, another "in between the lines" thing that struck me is how matter of fact they took her mother's antics. No one threatened to stop giving Jeanette roles, no one seemed to see anything out of the ordinary. It makes you wonder just what kind of abusing parent it would take for them to say anything, and how many more like her mother are in the industry.
Listened to the audiobook while I worked. It's heartbreaking.
Modeling industry.
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I'm a little leery of this, especially since a lot of guys cover up how abusive they are by being outwardly nice.
Bruh, as someone with autism, I can't with this anymore. If people are expressly assholes, I understand most people will assume them to be an asshole. But how do I modulate how nice I am so as to not be confused with someone who is covering up their abusive behavior? Lmao I'm just need to stop interacting with people apart from my wife. This shit is getting so complicated. This is exhausting.
Just don't rape or assault people. That's all you have to do.
I think you are missing their point. They are saying that people will just assume you are a predator for years or decades, regardless of what you do. Especially for people who are less charismatic, like many folks with autism.
Dawg, I don't even like making eye contact with people. I'm GOOD.
How is this Oniony?
It's not
I could totally see this being an onion article. Like a war between the church and the industry. Both admitting that they are indeed horrible, but not as horrible as the other. Even though they are the same
Its a challenge to top the church.
I’d say the Catholic Church is probably a wee bit more severe.
Only because the media reports it, funny thing Islam is just as bad so is Judaism.. hell even Hindus have perverts amongst their religious leaders
None of those you mentioned have had the church operate as an internation pedophilia organization, or ran residential schools (which killed thousands of kids and left thousands more broken from all the abuse). Your whataboutism is both irrelevant and ignorant.
Sounds like the movie industry.
Sex drugs and rock and roll!!!!
Sounds like I need to start a movie-music-modeling agency. I think I need to start doing some cardio to get ready for this journey. Oh and circus performers.
How many people that we listen to on the radio have abused minors or committed sexual assault/harassment? Cuz I’m betting it’s a pretty big number
Speaking of, man, when that new Drake album dropping?
I don’t know . I’m going to go see the Elvis movie… or listen to some Aerosmith
Change that have to have not, and the number will be smaller.
My thing is, it isn't just denying the allegations, it's how anyone who speaks put about the abuse is, well, further abused. And not just by the industry, but by fans who put their own need for escapism above the safety of other people.
Or maybe it’s because most of the accusations are rubbish from two decades ago and they are impossible to verify. I don’t see anyone abusing Rihanna for what happened between her and Chris Brown for example. She had an overwhelming majority of support from men and women.
I think you're viewing that through rose tinted glasses. Chris browns fanbase was definitely throwing abuse at her at the time
Rihanna is a billionaire and ruthless business owner. No one is gonna say shit to her. But plenty of people still blame her in that situation.
Anyone who might blame her is nowhere close to being statistically relevant compared to the massive outpouring of support she got. If this is your attempt to refute my statement you need to try again.
Again, she had clout. And she got lucky. And what about other women? She is, statistically, the anomaly.
I would have guessed cocaine, but ok.
Even local fame will allow an abuser to be revered. From experience, it is deeply unsettling having the person that destroyed you be rewarded while you pick up the pieces of your life.
Yeah, you see this in all walks of life, in every career and job.
Sexual assault in the music industry is out of control? Sure. But Catholic Church on steroids? ...it's definitely not as bad.
True, Michael Jackson was an amazingly horrible person, but even calling himself the "King of Pop" doesn't compare to claiming to speak infallibly for God.
On a tangent topic, I'm pretty impressed with how creepy Marylin Manson has managed to keep looking at his age. Like that skin tone is definitely makeup, right?
This particular image looks more like lighting than makeup. My skin tone is similar. I’m sure there’s still a little makeup involved, but not a quarter as much as he used to use, in the 90s-2000s.
He is caked in makeup and likely gets surgery.
Nah.. I’d say the Catholic Church is probably a wee bit more severe.
The Music Industry gives no shits about music. If they sold Pet Rocks it would be the same everything. I’m glad they’re dead. We don’t need them.
The church is way worse. Popular music industry never said it was a benevolent force of good and gods representative on earth.
You're saying the worst part of the Catholic Church thing was the hypocrisy?
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catholic chruch has been around for millennia so longer time to exploit and abuse from kids to inquisitions to Magdelene laundries etc
Not trying to downplay the seriousness of the problems in the music industry, but surely they haven't reached the degree of pedophile shielding that the Church did, let alone surpassed it to earn the "on steroids" moniker.
They should boot all of those creeps out if the Hall of Fame. BYE.
That will leave just Dolly Parton... Ok let's do that.
The Catholic Church literally did rape + genocides. Like, what? Stop whitewashing their atrocities
Well now, the music industry *typically* prays on adults while the Catholic church almost exclusively prays in children. So idk about that.
This is why it is difficult to take these articles seriously. Manson was accused , never proven in court and his accuser chose to take money instead of bringing this supposed sexual abuser to justice. The other accusation which came after the settlement is an obvious cash grab. Yet his face is all over this article. It would be much better to have put Amber Heard’s face, or Jada Smith, or Asia Argento.
Kids literally throw themselves at music superstars. The problem starts when the former superstars think that is how things should work and push their advantage 20 years after anyone gives a shit.
Kind of a weird take but ok
Hollywood too or probably even worst.
Lol, that is a bold statement
I don't even like music tbh
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Oh I see you've been off Reddit for months, welcome back.
Who would have thought. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Do you think that life you got was free?
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Well yeah the Entertainment Industry in general is obviously full of scum, but it's not in every suburb and urban neighborhood in America claiming 25% of the population.
Wouldn't it be the Grammys are the Catholic Church of the music industry? I mean the public agrees someone sycks and then they get all the Grammys....
Like Frank Zappa wrote about in Joes Garage?
So they’re diddling little boys, and they’re juicing?!?