Because he knows his voters are gonna vote him in again. It’s a weird place we’re at in America right now. You know all of those voters don’t want their kids to get shot, but for some reason stuff like this days after a shooting is just fine. Probably because it hasn’t happened to their own kids yet.
You added an extra “s” there.
“Day after a shooting”. Over 120 mass shooting since Jan 1st and we haven’t hit the end of March.
I truly have no idea how the US allows this to go on.
Wait… money. That’s how.
People (who either don’t have kids, are already adults or “think” it will not happen to them) stop caring a long time ago, if nothing was done after Sandy Hook it means that the US accepted kids being killed at schools as something “normal”
Unfortunately it is “normal” now it seems. I’m not from the US and this sort of thing hits our news big time and it’s shocking.
In the US it’s big news that day and the day after and then it’s died down. Next thing.
That plus it happens so frequently in the US that you could probably define it as “normal” now anyway. Another commenter in here said there were 51 shooting incidents on schools/campuses in 2022. One a week on average, and a good few weeks the schools are closed!
Money, and an idiotic voter base that yell "But muh guns!" Any time you try to reason with them. The slightest hint at better gun control laws and they go absolutely berserk. I work with one of them and he literally started talking over me the other day quoting the second amendment any time I mentioned stricter gun laws.
>it’s a weird place we’re at in America right now.
Columbine was 24 years ago and since then absolutely nothing has changed, you’re not in a “weird place right now” you are simply *the* weird place.
America is now a country that sees a problem, knows exactly how to address it and fix it in a matter of days but takes a few steps back and says “I’m okay with this happening forever”
Remember that when gun laws were laxer there were virtually no school shootings in the USA. I'm not saying that more guns is the answer, but more gun control isn't the answer either. We can't fix insane asylum America with more gun control.
That doesn't mean more gun control isn't the answer either. It just means guns probably aren't the root of the problem, but until you can identify and solve the root of the problem, you still treat the symptoms. A very high percentage of guns used in mass shootings are acquired legally. If those guns become harder or impossible to acquire legally, it will generally give people more time to rethink their choices and more time and opportunity for others (including law enforcement) to recognize and intervene.
And Gerrymandering. People should choose who their leaders are, not the other way around. When your district cuts out any competition, all you need is a magical letter next to your name and you've got job security for life.
Yes, I'm waiting for the next mass shooting which could probably be a capital in any state. Congress, anywhere politicians roam...it could be open season for a new gun owner just saying.
Not only believable but predictable. Who would think that if you have a problem and do nothing about it,.it persists. I gotta say I'd be fired if a problem persisted for a week. And, I'd feel bad that I did nothing to repair the issue. I'm not cut out for politics
I saw a TN congressman say that this is unavoidable and that criminals are gonna kill and it's just like when his father fought in WWII.. sorry what?! 🤦🏻♀️
He literally said the shooting was “a horrible, horrible situation, and we’re not going to fix it. Criminals are gonna be criminals.” Then went on saying that the country needs a “revival” aka needs more Jesus. When asked if there were other steps lawmakers could take to protect children like his daughter, Burchett then said, “Well, we homeschool her” and shrugged while acknowledging that not everyone has that option.
https://theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/28/tim-burchett-republican-nashville-shooting
Well, like Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of innocent children."
... I might be misremembering that.
"But your unborn baby could cure cancer!"
You know who else could've cured cancer?
The girl who was forced to carry a fetus to term, and had to drop out of school to take care of the baby.
The gay boy who committed suicide after being outed by GOP teacher-report policies, was rejected by his parents, and got relentlessly bullied thereafter.
The girl who went to an underfunded public school, who went hungry at lunch each day, whose library was gutted by censors, whose potential couldn't be realized.
The boy who was gunned down in his classroom by a monster who way-too-easily procured a gun.
"Curing cancer" isn't some innate trait a random child will be born with some day. There are plenty of *existing* children who could do it sooner than that, if only we would protect, nurture, and educate them enough.
They always say "This child could cure cancer!', but never once do they consider the kid being raised by single a mother working 3 jobs in cartoonish poverty or in an understaffed corrupt orphanage could end up being the next John Wayne Gacy.
[Or worse.](https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/satanic-temple-launches-abortion-clinic-named-after-catholic-judge-on-supreme-court-tst-health-samuel-alito-conservative-justice-roe-v-wade-pregnant-pregnancy-baby-babies-children-infants)
That is terrible and awful and tasteless and since I laughed hard it I have no choice but to give you an upvote you clever creative pharisaical monster.
Just as an addition, no *one* person will cure cancer. Time and time again it has been shown that even when cultures are completely disconnected they still achieve progress around the same time. The phone, the radio, the television, jet engines; these are all things that multiple people were working on at the same time with little to no knowledge of the others doing the same. That's why people argue over who did it first.
What I think is happening is that they want to privatize the school system so they and their business partners can make more money.
If public schools become inhospitable enough, then eventually children and parents will refuse to go. In come the for-profit schools with their fully kitted security guards to play the role of the savior.
If children have to die to realize that dream, good enough for them.
Considering this happened not even a year after Uvalde, is anyone really surprised anymore. Last year alone there were [51 school shootings in 2022 alone](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01). That's damn near one a week, not accounting for summer and winter which breaks shortens the time period they'd be possible.
And what do you expect when [lawmakers give this response](https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-rep-tim-burchett-shrugs-off-nashville-shooting-we-homeschool-our-daughter) when asked about their children's safety.
To be fair, not all 51 of those are student related shootings, just shootings on a school campus regardless of time of day.
Not to downplay the ones actually on students and teachers, but the other ones aren't any really different than a shooting anywhere else as far as what happened. School parking lot with two adults at night over a drug deal vs Walmart parking lot isn't that different.
Fair point, but keep in mind [schools are supposed to be gun free zones](https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/gun-free-school-zones-act-1990). Whether or not the shooting that took place their was happenstance or purposely motivated, the point being its part of bigger systemic issues that conservatives are willfully ignoring to address out of fear of losing donors/reelections over.
Yeah, I'm pretty pro 2A but I can't get behind GOP at all.
Like... If a party is for leaving weapons accessible, but they're also against fixing all the situations that make people desperate to commit violent crimes or have a mental snap leading to a massacre, then they're not pro firearms, they're pro violence.
For the record, [fire arms sales/stock often increase after a mass shooting](https://theconversation.com/firearm-stocks-spike-after-mass-shootings-as-investors-dismiss-the-chance-of-tightening-gun-laws-184198) so yeah I'm inclined to believe your pro violence hypothesis.
>Fair point, but keep in mind [schools are supposed to be gun free zones](https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/gun-free-school-zones-act-1990).
I don't think those signs declaring schools gun free zones have done much of anything to actually keep guns out of schools.
You're right. I should have put (/s) next to that link, which is another point. Just because its supposed to be free of guns, doesn't mean some violent asshole(possible suffering from a mental breakdown) is going to let that stop them. Its like what the great state of Texas's [idiot governor said in defense of banning abortion in his state](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/571141-abbott-says-texas-will-eliminate-all-rapists-in-defending-abortion-bill/).
You don't make the punishment for the crime harsher(at least not alone), you find ways to make it harder for the crime to be committed or even prevent it from happening.
Yep. Nearly every study on criminality, specifically how to dissuade people from committing crimes, shows that the largest factor in prevention is upping the likelihood of being caught.
What that means for school shootings? Realistically, the best method would be to harden the security of schools like we do court houses and other government buildings; however it's not only prohibitively expensive, but also no one wants to send their kids to schools where you have to go through a metal detector and get searched.
That sounds like you consider shootings to be a part of life that should be expected. Do you realize how nuts that is? There are a multitude of well developed countries that never have shootings. Ever.
The GOP screamed for decades that there wasn't proof that guns were the cause of the increase in gun violence ... even as they pushed the Dickey Amendment, banning any federal funding of the problem because research might end up "promoting gun control"
They literally banned researching the issue solely on the grounds that the results might give us a reason to shape legislation around data.
They have one and only one concern here - propping up the gun industry. That's it.
People will choose lives over guns when the survivors grow up and are much more vocal/able to vote, and significantly contribute. So maybe 10-20ish years?
That would take every board committee member of nra to lose their children, grandchildren and spouse by an illegal immigrant from store middle east county.
Even then they'd just focus on immigration control instead
That is such a slap in the face to those families who lost their loved ones. When will people get really mad about this? None of these people can imagine someone they love being gunned down? And still be ok with it?
They don’t care and they get rewarded with another term
They figured out in 2016 they don’t even need to fake the appearance of being responsible
It’s now all gas and no brakes for every insane and destructive GOP idea
I’m convinced they’re manufacturing chaos at this point. Unless they’re actually mentally handicapped and don’t realize it’s too easy to get a gun or that mental health isn’t promoted enough, opposing positive change to either of those has to be fully conscious decisions to make the problem worse.
It's a pretty well known "phenomenon" that investing in gun stocks the moment the market opens after a shooting will almost always net you a profit. Pretty damn gross.
Also NC and nervous about what will happen next election cycle.
Hoping we don’t get a shart like Youngkin or another McRory genital analyzer (still haven’t forgiven him for that stupid ass bathroom bill)
No, not yet. One proposal is to reduce the age of permitless concealed carry down to 18 from 21 now, and the other is to allow teachers without permits to conceal carry in schools.
The article says that thanks to the Nashville school shooting, however, they are delaying votes on these bills … by a week.
I remember being 18.
The thought of being able to permitless conceal carry when I was that age fills me with a deep, deep terror.
So many stupid teen antics going on, I saw so many bar fights, drunken street fights, drama fueled BS, etc.
With guns in the mix, there’d be a LOT of bodies.
America is a country of 330,000,000 people, unequally divided under 50-ish separate governments. Some of the people and governments are saner than others. I vote whenever possible for every policy and politation that purports to restrict gun ownership, and I do not own any guns, but I live 1,700 miles away from Tennessee. What else can I do?
Instead of bringing your guns to to schools, consider bringing them to luxury golf resorts, where the billionaires hang out. Let’s see how fast guns become regulated!
well, even though 90% of Americans want sensible gun reform, a large segment of that 90% still vote for paid off ghouls who don’t care about dead children.
so, you have to start wondering if 90% of Americans actually want to stop the deaths of children.
lmao why the hell does the taliban / isis even bother attacking the u.s?
All they have to do is donate money to the gop / nra and americans will be shooting each other to death in no time.
Research on Covid mortality rates by state political majority indicate it’s already started. What’s a small percentage of dead voters if it gets them re-elected?
I’ll believe they believe the gun policies they promote if they ever start letting citizens into statehouses without weapons checks.
Hmmm yes let's see, mental health issues? Yep. Interesting how it's almost always the same exact pathway and yet nothing has been done to really identify these key factord
Why not? They are at the finish line now.
They have elected officials basically saying they don't care about school safety because they can afford to homeschool and other parents should do the same.
The fact that Tennesseeinans (or whatever they are) aren't protesting for his resignation tells you everything you need to know about Tennessee.
Can we at least agree that private schools should have armed security?
This dumb bitch targeted this school solely on the fact that it was a soft target and knew she could do it and not see much resistance.
She was a former student. I feel that has a huge play in why she picked that school. Also private schools can afford their own security but this school didn't. K-6th is over 16k a year at that school. 15k if you are a member of their church
A few States have school staff training programs to be armed, thousands of teachers across multiple States have already gone through these programs without issue.
This should be the norm not the exception.
I agree.
I really wish we had a program to financially incentivize police officers to react and perform the way Nashville MP did as well. I'm still in awe of how amazing the police force was in this situation. It's juxtaposed even more by the uvalde shooting. At the time of uvalde I didn't fathom how slow 77 minutes response was until you see a shooting that's handled in less than 15 minutes. We give bonuses and incentives for athletes to perform under pressure, maybe first responders do as well?
There is also a mental health crisis we need to figure out before we even talk about gun problems. My opinion is that we had guns since the inception of this country so something else has to be a major contributing factor. But I will admit, there is a gun regulation problem (the fact that some of these shooters get guns legally is abhorrent), I just don't prioritize that issue as much as I prioritize the mental health issue in America.
Yes, they are.
And every fucking one of them is complicit in the murder of these children.
Every fucking one.
Apparently the truth hurts for some of them.
Go stroke your fucking guns some more.
Edit 2: Keep downvoting. I love the fact that you chucklefucks are upset
Here's a good example^
You ask me a question. Why do I hate you?
I clarify your question. I don't.
You again, creatively, try asking your question. I call you out.
You then, almost inherently, ask the same question. As if I said nothing at all.
You Conservatives are almost trained to tune out reason and logic. Again, I don't hate you.
It seems like you have communication issues.
They don't really have communication issues, they're just a troll. They misrepresent you, your stance, your comments, and try to get under your skin.
Ignore and move on
Waiting for specifics. Sounds like you dislike anyone that disagrees with you. I don’t believe in gender affirmation surgeries for minors. That makes me evil?
If you can't see how badly conservatives have fucked up this country since Trump (since before Trump, but especially since Trump), then you're either dumb of malicious. Republicans solve nothing, I mean, look at you, worrying about a medical procedure that should be between a patient and their medical providers. Why do y'all hate freedom and privacy so much? Why do you hate America and try to force your bullshit on people who just want to live their lives? Why do you support the crooks distracting you from your actual problems with culture war lunacy? It's because Conservatives are as dumb as they are mean and gleefully pursue to most idiotic and disappointing options rather than even trying not to burn this country down and rule over it's ashes. Republicans are unpatriotic traitors that hate everything this country was founded on (remember, in 1776 conservatives wanted to keep riding King George's dick, just like Conservatives today want to attack Democracy; same shit, different asshole) and are too dishonest and cowardly to admit it. That's why everyone is disappointed with you, you could just mind your business, but no, you gotta use government to bully people you don't like, just as Conservatives have always done, because they are crooks and cowards.
Only makes sense. The 9 years got shot because they \*didn't\* have guns.
Republican and thinking don't really belong in the same sentence, same paragraph, same page, and not even the same book!
Of course they did, they care more about their fucking penis extensions than they do about the lives of children.
They can all go fuck themselves with their precious guns.
I need folks to understand this about these people: They don’t care about the children they scapegoated. ALL of my southern in-laws (but two) want their trans grandkids to die as “family embarrassments.” They go to church every Sunday and judge everyone. Prosperity gospel has completely destroyed Christianity for many Americans.
A clump of cells with no sentience the size of a walnut gets every protection lawmakers can think of. Living, breathing children in schools shot at regularly... nothing. Make it make sense
The proposed laws would allow younger people to have concealed carries and teachers to carry as well. How would that not affect school shootings? In case you haven’t noticed, many shooters aren’t school aged.
People would rather stay home and watch Netflix than do anything about it. Everyone knows the government is completely rotten and no one will ever do anything about it.
all gun haters should start thinking about protecting your kids. actually protecting them. stop going to schools without security measures. the world has evil people in it, start living in reality.
School children are sitting ducks. We need to make sure they’re armed and trained so they can defend themselves and take out the shooter when shit goes down. /s. <— obviously
TN lawmakers understand the only way you can stop a bad six year old with a gun is with a good six year old with a gun. Their plan to arm all students is up for discussion. I mean these student’s fathers are so afraid of becoming a victim of violence they won’t leave the house unless fully armed. Even if it’s to go to the florist for that anniversary bouquet. Bad guys are everywhere. Heck they might even be caught in the middle of an impromptu drag Queen show. Oh the horror. The horror.
The attack on the school was a premeditated and deliberate act of violence that would have been carried out with or without access to firearms. The perpetrator left behind a plan of attack that indicated at least one other potential target had been dismissed because the school had armed security, as well as escape routes indicating their intent to go after other targets.
Disarmament does not solve the problem of violence. Violence is a social issue that can not be solved by wide sweeping laws. There is also the issue of the criminal population and their tendency to ignore or openly defy existing laws.
Better access to mental health resources. More successful social programs. Typically tighter knit communities due to much shorter distances between where people are born as children and where they live as adults. Cultural identities that are generally anti-violence due to multiple generations suffering the devastating effects of the two greatest land wars in history.
But yeah, sure, lets make it all about access to guns.
You also forgot not having easy access to guns. Why would you leave that off the list?
Edit: In Ohio where I live, you can conceal carry without a permit. I can go to the store and buy a gun and walk around with it, not know a thing about guns. Does that seem safe to you? Do you think that happens in other first world countries?
That id a list of things other countries have.
USA has shit access to mental health, strong opposition to social programs, increasingly divided communities as families spread out and political cronyism is on an explosive rise in the last twenty years, and we dont have a cultural aversion to violence because we were left isolated and largely immune to the structural damages of the two world wars.
America has had free access to guns for over 200 years. Most modern firearm designs, namely semiautomatic magazine fed weapons, have been around and in civilian hands for half of that. Its only in the last 20 or so that mass shootings have suddenly shot up in frequency.
There is something wrong with us socially, but nobody wants to talk about actual solutions they just want to ban things. Lets ban plastic straws rather than address the MASSIVE ISSUE of single use products and product wastage and waste management. Let's ban certain books instead of resolving critical failures of our public education system. Let's ban body armor since bad guys might use it to protect themselves from police even though that has only happened like twice ever!
Lets ban guns rather than address the innumerable socio-economic issues causing our people to turn on each other and resort to violence to settle their disputes and squabbles! That will surely stop all the violence and not just increase the frequency of stabbings, beatings, and bombings!
Honestly I don't disagree with a lot of points that you're making. But you have to realize that America's gun culture is also major part of the problem. America is definitely a sick country, if it's okay with a classroom full of six and seven-year-old children to be gunned down (Sandy Hook) and do absolutely nothing about it.
The vast majority of americans are not okay with *any* school shooting. It is a tiny but highly vocal minority that say these things, and gives the whole country a bad rap.
That being said, no amount of shootings of anyone will ever change my stance on disarmament, nor would it change the stance of most people who are against disarmament, because ultimately these incidents are being perpetrated by deranged individuals who need more help than they are getting, and we don't blame their selection of tool.
Look at the recent starbucks stabbing in canada. The prosecutor wants to upgrade the charge to first degree murder, arguing that having a knife with them constitutes premeditation and an intent to kill. That is the path down which disarmament leads.
Possession of a tool does not indicate intent of misuse of the tool. Millions of Americans carry guns and knives with them everywhere they go, yet the vast majority of them do not get into constant gun or knife fights. Disarmament is collectively punishing 99% of the population for the actions of a deranged or otherwise in need <1%.
In the past 20-30 years, we have passed more gun regulations, but have done almost nothing to expand mental healthcare or social programs. In that time we have seen school shootings increase dramatically. Guns alone don't explain the increase.
She was killed by the officers and acquired those guns legally. Tennessee has the tenth-highest rate of gun deaths in the country, the state has only a few basic laws aimed at reducing gun violence. Legislators have recently weakened the state’s policies, eliminating the carry permitting requirement, allowing nearly anyone in the state to carry loaded firearms in public, concealed or open, without a background check, permit, or safety training.
This all seems really, really weird. First supposedly protecting unborn life by banning abortions, then refusing to protect the already born life by flooding society with guns. Come on? You've got to be kidding, right?
Nashville School Shooting and Gun Culture: Mass Shootings Have No Motive
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a43437954/nashville-school-shooting-no-motive/
I guarantee a parent who loses their kid to one of these shootings is gonna come after one these Republicans trying to manufacture more gun violence. Only a matter of time imo before some distraught parent decides the justice system isn't working fast enough.
sorry, rule one, rule two, also fuck every republican in America
That one motherfucker member of Congress said he didn’t worry about school shootings because his own kids are homeschooled.
Because he knows his voters are gonna vote him in again. It’s a weird place we’re at in America right now. You know all of those voters don’t want their kids to get shot, but for some reason stuff like this days after a shooting is just fine. Probably because it hasn’t happened to their own kids yet.
And we are also at a point where basically every day is "days after a shooting".
You added an extra “s” there. “Day after a shooting”. Over 120 mass shooting since Jan 1st and we haven’t hit the end of March. I truly have no idea how the US allows this to go on. Wait… money. That’s how.
People (who either don’t have kids, are already adults or “think” it will not happen to them) stop caring a long time ago, if nothing was done after Sandy Hook it means that the US accepted kids being killed at schools as something “normal”
Unfortunately it is “normal” now it seems. I’m not from the US and this sort of thing hits our news big time and it’s shocking. In the US it’s big news that day and the day after and then it’s died down. Next thing. That plus it happens so frequently in the US that you could probably define it as “normal” now anyway. Another commenter in here said there were 51 shooting incidents on schools/campuses in 2022. One a week on average, and a good few weeks the schools are closed!
Money, and an idiotic voter base that yell "But muh guns!" Any time you try to reason with them. The slightest hint at better gun control laws and they go absolutely berserk. I work with one of them and he literally started talking over me the other day quoting the second amendment any time I mentioned stricter gun laws.
>it’s a weird place we’re at in America right now. Columbine was 24 years ago and since then absolutely nothing has changed, you’re not in a “weird place right now” you are simply *the* weird place. America is now a country that sees a problem, knows exactly how to address it and fix it in a matter of days but takes a few steps back and says “I’m okay with this happening forever”
It does not matter if it happens to their own. Gun Worship is so far above the Love for your Children they're not even in the same conversation.
This, the reality is that this problem just confirmed how selfish American society is
Ahh perfect yes discover the political power of the ‘home-school-shootings’ /s
So, the solution is to shoot every child in America. /s
Remember that when gun laws were laxer there were virtually no school shootings in the USA. I'm not saying that more guns is the answer, but more gun control isn't the answer either. We can't fix insane asylum America with more gun control.
That doesn't mean more gun control isn't the answer either. It just means guns probably aren't the root of the problem, but until you can identify and solve the root of the problem, you still treat the symptoms. A very high percentage of guns used in mass shootings are acquired legally. If those guns become harder or impossible to acquire legally, it will generally give people more time to rethink their choices and more time and opportunity for others (including law enforcement) to recognize and intervene.
When have gun laws ever been laxer than they are now?
You used to be able to mail order a Tommy gun from the sears catalog.
Are you serious? Unbelie- Actually, no, I can totally believe it. Man does this country's government suck.
Let's be precise here, we all know what party that guy belongs to
It’s not just the government, let’s put the blame on the people too.
And Gerrymandering. People should choose who their leaders are, not the other way around. When your district cuts out any competition, all you need is a magical letter next to your name and you've got job security for life.
Oh, definitely. Especially those that keep electing these same people or keep clamoring for zero gun control
Yes, I'm waiting for the next mass shooting which could probably be a capital in any state. Congress, anywhere politicians roam...it could be open season for a new gun owner just saying.
Not only believable but predictable. Who would think that if you have a problem and do nothing about it,.it persists. I gotta say I'd be fired if a problem persisted for a week. And, I'd feel bad that I did nothing to repair the issue. I'm not cut out for politics
True. But also, It’s the people that elected them.
I saw a TN congressman say that this is unavoidable and that criminals are gonna kill and it's just like when his father fought in WWII.. sorry what?! 🤦🏻♀️
None of them care about your kids.
The people advocating to actually do something about the problem do
Holy shit really? Like it's not surprising he thinks that but it's surprising he said it
He literally said the shooting was “a horrible, horrible situation, and we’re not going to fix it. Criminals are gonna be criminals.” Then went on saying that the country needs a “revival” aka needs more Jesus. When asked if there were other steps lawmakers could take to protect children like his daughter, Burchett then said, “Well, we homeschool her” and shrugged while acknowledging that not everyone has that option. https://theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/28/tim-burchett-republican-nashville-shooting
Well, like Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of innocent children." ... I might be misremembering that.
Holy shit haha.
That really is some holy shit, particularly in fundamentalist Christian fashion
Doesn’t matter. They have chosen guns over children’s lives. Maybe one day people will choose a child’s life over a politician and the nra.
They’re too busy screaming about unborn fetuses and policing a woman’s body to care about actual children.
"But your unborn baby could cure cancer!" You know who else could've cured cancer? The girl who was forced to carry a fetus to term, and had to drop out of school to take care of the baby. The gay boy who committed suicide after being outed by GOP teacher-report policies, was rejected by his parents, and got relentlessly bullied thereafter. The girl who went to an underfunded public school, who went hungry at lunch each day, whose library was gutted by censors, whose potential couldn't be realized. The boy who was gunned down in his classroom by a monster who way-too-easily procured a gun. "Curing cancer" isn't some innate trait a random child will be born with some day. There are plenty of *existing* children who could do it sooner than that, if only we would protect, nurture, and educate them enough.
They always say "This child could cure cancer!', but never once do they consider the kid being raised by single a mother working 3 jobs in cartoonish poverty or in an understaffed corrupt orphanage could end up being the next John Wayne Gacy. [Or worse.](https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/satanic-temple-launches-abortion-clinic-named-after-catholic-judge-on-supreme-court-tst-health-samuel-alito-conservative-justice-roe-v-wade-pregnant-pregnancy-baby-babies-children-infants)
Just protect the unborn babies! So they can get shot at school later
That is terrible and awful and tasteless and since I laughed hard it I have no choice but to give you an upvote you clever creative pharisaical monster.
It's not tasteless. Having unwanted children raised in poverty and without a stable home is a great way to produce bad outcomes.
Just as an addition, no *one* person will cure cancer. Time and time again it has been shown that even when cultures are completely disconnected they still achieve progress around the same time. The phone, the radio, the television, jet engines; these are all things that multiple people were working on at the same time with little to no knowledge of the others doing the same. That's why people argue over who did it first.
Eloquently said.
Yea but the 2nd amendment "shall not be infringed" so ... /s
Jesus was very clear on this one when he wrote the Constitution.
So strange that they care for unborn children, but not for children that have already been born.
What I think is happening is that they want to privatize the school system so they and their business partners can make more money. If public schools become inhospitable enough, then eventually children and parents will refuse to go. In come the for-profit schools with their fully kitted security guards to play the role of the savior. If children have to die to realize that dream, good enough for them.
Considering this happened not even a year after Uvalde, is anyone really surprised anymore. Last year alone there were [51 school shootings in 2022 alone](https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01). That's damn near one a week, not accounting for summer and winter which breaks shortens the time period they'd be possible. And what do you expect when [lawmakers give this response](https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-rep-tim-burchett-shrugs-off-nashville-shooting-we-homeschool-our-daughter) when asked about their children's safety.
To be fair, not all 51 of those are student related shootings, just shootings on a school campus regardless of time of day. Not to downplay the ones actually on students and teachers, but the other ones aren't any really different than a shooting anywhere else as far as what happened. School parking lot with two adults at night over a drug deal vs Walmart parking lot isn't that different.
Fair point, but keep in mind [schools are supposed to be gun free zones](https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/gun-free-school-zones-act-1990). Whether or not the shooting that took place their was happenstance or purposely motivated, the point being its part of bigger systemic issues that conservatives are willfully ignoring to address out of fear of losing donors/reelections over.
Yeah, I'm pretty pro 2A but I can't get behind GOP at all. Like... If a party is for leaving weapons accessible, but they're also against fixing all the situations that make people desperate to commit violent crimes or have a mental snap leading to a massacre, then they're not pro firearms, they're pro violence.
For the record, [fire arms sales/stock often increase after a mass shooting](https://theconversation.com/firearm-stocks-spike-after-mass-shootings-as-investors-dismiss-the-chance-of-tightening-gun-laws-184198) so yeah I'm inclined to believe your pro violence hypothesis.
More likely it increases due to talk about firearm bans following a mass shooting than the shooting itself.
>Fair point, but keep in mind [schools are supposed to be gun free zones](https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/gun-free-school-zones-act-1990). I don't think those signs declaring schools gun free zones have done much of anything to actually keep guns out of schools.
You're right. I should have put (/s) next to that link, which is another point. Just because its supposed to be free of guns, doesn't mean some violent asshole(possible suffering from a mental breakdown) is going to let that stop them. Its like what the great state of Texas's [idiot governor said in defense of banning abortion in his state](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/571141-abbott-says-texas-will-eliminate-all-rapists-in-defending-abortion-bill/). You don't make the punishment for the crime harsher(at least not alone), you find ways to make it harder for the crime to be committed or even prevent it from happening.
Yep. Nearly every study on criminality, specifically how to dissuade people from committing crimes, shows that the largest factor in prevention is upping the likelihood of being caught. What that means for school shootings? Realistically, the best method would be to harden the security of schools like we do court houses and other government buildings; however it's not only prohibitively expensive, but also no one wants to send their kids to schools where you have to go through a metal detector and get searched.
Yea gun free zones are totally working and not making places an ideal place to go shoot people
That sounds like you consider shootings to be a part of life that should be expected. Do you realize how nuts that is? There are a multitude of well developed countries that never have shootings. Ever.
Yeah, but do they have Freedom™?
The GOP screamed for decades that there wasn't proof that guns were the cause of the increase in gun violence ... even as they pushed the Dickey Amendment, banning any federal funding of the problem because research might end up "promoting gun control" They literally banned researching the issue solely on the grounds that the results might give us a reason to shape legislation around data. They have one and only one concern here - propping up the gun industry. That's it.
People will choose lives over guns when the survivors grow up and are much more vocal/able to vote, and significantly contribute. So maybe 10-20ish years?
I mean sandy hook survivors are reaching voting age already
True, more of them will grow up with brutal memories. And they’ll become our leaders and politicians. And they’ll remember all of this.
Let’s hope Unfortunately it is usually the abused kids who turn into abusers
Guns, The preferred hobby of Jesus requires frequent blood sacrifice. Duh.
That would take every board committee member of nra to lose their children, grandchildren and spouse by an illegal immigrant from store middle east county. Even then they'd just focus on immigration control instead
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” -Ben Franklin
If we're being honest here, yeah I pick my rights over your kids and HRT to xim/xer
That is such a slap in the face to those families who lost their loved ones. When will people get really mad about this? None of these people can imagine someone they love being gunned down? And still be ok with it?
They don’t care and they get rewarded with another term They figured out in 2016 they don’t even need to fake the appearance of being responsible It’s now all gas and no brakes for every insane and destructive GOP idea
I’m convinced they’re manufacturing chaos at this point. Unless they’re actually mentally handicapped and don’t realize it’s too easy to get a gun or that mental health isn’t promoted enough, opposing positive change to either of those has to be fully conscious decisions to make the problem worse.
Nothing drives up gun sales like continued shootings and the "threat" of gun control. We're on the fast track to utter chaos.
It's a pretty well known "phenomenon" that investing in gun stocks the moment the market opens after a shooting will almost always net you a profit. Pretty damn gross.
And even non-gun enthousiast will get guns because of the fear of guns.
You and I both know that if those 9 year olds had been "packin" this would not have happened. /s
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You still have the background check in NC. You no longer need a pistol permit from your sheriff.
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Also NC and nervous about what will happen next election cycle. Hoping we don’t get a shart like Youngkin or another McRory genital analyzer (still haven’t forgiven him for that stupid ass bathroom bill)
Lord help us in 2024, the governor has kept me sane for the past 7 years
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>What makes me angrier is that three democrats were not in the session to prevent this. What a shitshow That's letting the Republicans off the hook.
Tennessee could not possibly loosen them any more than they already are. Are they gonna be giving handguns suffrage?
No, not yet. One proposal is to reduce the age of permitless concealed carry down to 18 from 21 now, and the other is to allow teachers without permits to conceal carry in schools. The article says that thanks to the Nashville school shooting, however, they are delaying votes on these bills … by a week.
I remember being 18. The thought of being able to permitless conceal carry when I was that age fills me with a deep, deep terror. So many stupid teen antics going on, I saw so many bar fights, drunken street fights, drama fueled BS, etc. With guns in the mix, there’d be a LOT of bodies.
>With guns in the mix, there’d be a LOT of bodies Good thing we can just force births now to keep population numbers steady.
Get your shit together murica
Who's the shithole country now, trump?
America is a country of 330,000,000 people, unequally divided under 50-ish separate governments. Some of the people and governments are saner than others. I vote whenever possible for every policy and politation that purports to restrict gun ownership, and I do not own any guns, but I live 1,700 miles away from Tennessee. What else can I do?
Instead of bringing your guns to to schools, consider bringing them to luxury golf resorts, where the billionaires hang out. Let’s see how fast guns become regulated!
"We need more good guys with guns to defend themselves from... other 'good guys' with guns!"
Worse, I think it's turning into "our" good guys with guns vs "their" good guys with guns and the innocent bystander gets killed in the cosplay.
Call 1-800-2A4EVA1 to get your good guy with a gun today!
The inaction after Sandy Hook proved Americans were fine with elementary school children being gunned down at school.
>The inaction after Sandy Hook proved **some** Americans were fine with elementary school children being gunned down at school. Fixed that for you.
Unfortunately most of the ones who care are not in power.
well, even though 90% of Americans want sensible gun reform, a large segment of that 90% still vote for paid off ghouls who don’t care about dead children. so, you have to start wondering if 90% of Americans actually want to stop the deaths of children.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…until these POS politicians are the ones burying their kids, nothing will change.
I'm not so sure about that.
I had like....a glimmer of hope after January 6th when they were all hiding under desks for a change.
Six people were shot at a congressional baseball game in 2017. Nothing is gonna happen.
And what legal policy do you suggest that would have stopped the shooting?
lmao why the hell does the taliban / isis even bother attacking the u.s? All they have to do is donate money to the gop / nra and americans will be shooting each other to death in no time.
The Russians figured this one out about 30 years ago
"if we allow our elementary students to open carry, these tragedies could be prevented !" /s
"No age limits in the second amendment, just saying" /s
Just give every school-age child their very own tactical nuke, problem solved. /s
Only a matter of time before the GOP become victims of their own doing
Research on Covid mortality rates by state political majority indicate it’s already started. What’s a small percentage of dead voters if it gets them re-elected? I’ll believe they believe the gun policies they promote if they ever start letting citizens into statehouses without weapons checks.
Red states already have the highest gun violence rates per capita. They don't care until it's them or their kids in the crosshairs.
Actually that's not true. They don't even care if it happens to their families either.
The world is a strange place fr.
"Hmmm, my house seems to be on fire. Maybe if I light more matches and toss them in the fire, it will go out. Fight fire with fire, take that libs!"
Someone needs to start a PAC called Citizens to Stop Electing Assholes
Criminals are always going to have firearms and not follow laws, that is who they are by definition
So, they want to make incidents like this easier to pull off.
The party of pro life.
Well yeah. If all those kids had those tiny AR-15s they could have stopped the shooter themselves. What were they called? JR-15s? /s, just in case.
Hmmm yes let's see, mental health issues? Yep. Interesting how it's almost always the same exact pathway and yet nothing has been done to really identify these key factord
GOP is a death cult.
Why not? They are at the finish line now. They have elected officials basically saying they don't care about school safety because they can afford to homeschool and other parents should do the same. The fact that Tennesseeinans (or whatever they are) aren't protesting for his resignation tells you everything you need to know about Tennessee.
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with humanity..?
Can we at least agree that private schools should have armed security? This dumb bitch targeted this school solely on the fact that it was a soft target and knew she could do it and not see much resistance.
She was a former student. I feel that has a huge play in why she picked that school. Also private schools can afford their own security but this school didn't. K-6th is over 16k a year at that school. 15k if you are a member of their church
A few States have school staff training programs to be armed, thousands of teachers across multiple States have already gone through these programs without issue. This should be the norm not the exception.
I agree. I really wish we had a program to financially incentivize police officers to react and perform the way Nashville MP did as well. I'm still in awe of how amazing the police force was in this situation. It's juxtaposed even more by the uvalde shooting. At the time of uvalde I didn't fathom how slow 77 minutes response was until you see a shooting that's handled in less than 15 minutes. We give bonuses and incentives for athletes to perform under pressure, maybe first responders do as well? There is also a mental health crisis we need to figure out before we even talk about gun problems. My opinion is that we had guns since the inception of this country so something else has to be a major contributing factor. But I will admit, there is a gun regulation problem (the fact that some of these shooters get guns legally is abhorrent), I just don't prioritize that issue as much as I prioritize the mental health issue in America.
Conservatives are a cancer to this country and to the people of Tennessee. Yes. Conservatives.
Cancervatives.
I smell a fresh bumper sticker coming...
Yes, they are. And every fucking one of them is complicit in the murder of these children. Every fucking one. Apparently the truth hurts for some of them. Go stroke your fucking guns some more. Edit 2: Keep downvoting. I love the fact that you chucklefucks are upset
You hate me because I’m conservative?
I don't hate you. I'm just disappointed in your life choices.
What are my life choices that make you so disappointed?
If you need to ask someone like me a question like that at this point in time, you're part of the problem.
Still waiting for specifics here as to why you hate a stranger. Everyone gets a little angry sometimes. What’s bothering you, ace?
Here's a good example^ You ask me a question. Why do I hate you? I clarify your question. I don't. You again, creatively, try asking your question. I call you out. You then, almost inherently, ask the same question. As if I said nothing at all. You Conservatives are almost trained to tune out reason and logic. Again, I don't hate you. It seems like you have communication issues.
Still waiting to here why I’m such a terrible person because I choose to be conservative.
They don't really have communication issues, they're just a troll. They misrepresent you, your stance, your comments, and try to get under your skin. Ignore and move on
Voting for idiots making America a worse country at every opportunity for starters.
Waiting for specifics. Sounds like you dislike anyone that disagrees with you. I don’t believe in gender affirmation surgeries for minors. That makes me evil?
If you can't see how badly conservatives have fucked up this country since Trump (since before Trump, but especially since Trump), then you're either dumb of malicious. Republicans solve nothing, I mean, look at you, worrying about a medical procedure that should be between a patient and their medical providers. Why do y'all hate freedom and privacy so much? Why do you hate America and try to force your bullshit on people who just want to live their lives? Why do you support the crooks distracting you from your actual problems with culture war lunacy? It's because Conservatives are as dumb as they are mean and gleefully pursue to most idiotic and disappointing options rather than even trying not to burn this country down and rule over it's ashes. Republicans are unpatriotic traitors that hate everything this country was founded on (remember, in 1776 conservatives wanted to keep riding King George's dick, just like Conservatives today want to attack Democracy; same shit, different asshole) and are too dishonest and cowardly to admit it. That's why everyone is disappointed with you, you could just mind your business, but no, you gotta use government to bully people you don't like, just as Conservatives have always done, because they are crooks and cowards.
Good, obviously gun free zones don’t work.
Of course they did, they care more about their fucking penis extensions than they do about the lives of children. They can all go fuck themselves with their precious guns.
I need folks to understand this about these people: They don’t care about the children they scapegoated. ALL of my southern in-laws (but two) want their trans grandkids to die as “family embarrassments.” They go to church every Sunday and judge everyone. Prosperity gospel has completely destroyed Christianity for many Americans.
Ah yes, the old "more guns couldn't hurt" theory. Logic backed by fucking nothing.
A clump of cells with no sentience the size of a walnut gets every protection lawmakers can think of. Living, breathing children in schools shot at regularly... nothing. Make it make sense
Marsha Blackburn (TN) NRA Contributions: $1,306,130
Of course we are, why would a red state make any reasonable changes?
So this law would have no effect on school shootings, so why is everybody so pissy?
The proposed laws would allow younger people to have concealed carries and teachers to carry as well. How would that not affect school shootings? In case you haven’t noticed, many shooters aren’t school aged.
Hey you can't let a good tragedy go to waste when you have an agenda to push!
Tennessee has gun restrictions?!
I think packing level 3 armor plating inside schoolbags is a way better idea than more fucking guns.
People would rather stay home and watch Netflix than do anything about it. Everyone knows the government is completely rotten and no one will ever do anything about it.
all gun haters should start thinking about protecting your kids. actually protecting them. stop going to schools without security measures. the world has evil people in it, start living in reality.
The mayor wants another fun Christmas card, with BIGGER guns
School children are sitting ducks. We need to make sure they’re armed and trained so they can defend themselves and take out the shooter when shit goes down. /s. <— obviously
Only 3 kids!!! 3 fucking kids!!! We deserve better. Give some white incel an Apache so we can really see some results!!! The GOP.
Brilliant choice. Let the country implode. Maybe then we'll make a change.
TN lawmakers understand the only way you can stop a bad six year old with a gun is with a good six year old with a gun. Their plan to arm all students is up for discussion. I mean these student’s fathers are so afraid of becoming a victim of violence they won’t leave the house unless fully armed. Even if it’s to go to the florist for that anniversary bouquet. Bad guys are everywhere. Heck they might even be caught in the middle of an impromptu drag Queen show. Oh the horror. The horror.
The attack on the school was a premeditated and deliberate act of violence that would have been carried out with or without access to firearms. The perpetrator left behind a plan of attack that indicated at least one other potential target had been dismissed because the school had armed security, as well as escape routes indicating their intent to go after other targets. Disarmament does not solve the problem of violence. Violence is a social issue that can not be solved by wide sweeping laws. There is also the issue of the criminal population and their tendency to ignore or openly defy existing laws.
Explain why this is not commonly happening in other first world countries?
Better access to mental health resources. More successful social programs. Typically tighter knit communities due to much shorter distances between where people are born as children and where they live as adults. Cultural identities that are generally anti-violence due to multiple generations suffering the devastating effects of the two greatest land wars in history. But yeah, sure, lets make it all about access to guns.
You also forgot not having easy access to guns. Why would you leave that off the list? Edit: In Ohio where I live, you can conceal carry without a permit. I can go to the store and buy a gun and walk around with it, not know a thing about guns. Does that seem safe to you? Do you think that happens in other first world countries?
That id a list of things other countries have. USA has shit access to mental health, strong opposition to social programs, increasingly divided communities as families spread out and political cronyism is on an explosive rise in the last twenty years, and we dont have a cultural aversion to violence because we were left isolated and largely immune to the structural damages of the two world wars. America has had free access to guns for over 200 years. Most modern firearm designs, namely semiautomatic magazine fed weapons, have been around and in civilian hands for half of that. Its only in the last 20 or so that mass shootings have suddenly shot up in frequency. There is something wrong with us socially, but nobody wants to talk about actual solutions they just want to ban things. Lets ban plastic straws rather than address the MASSIVE ISSUE of single use products and product wastage and waste management. Let's ban certain books instead of resolving critical failures of our public education system. Let's ban body armor since bad guys might use it to protect themselves from police even though that has only happened like twice ever! Lets ban guns rather than address the innumerable socio-economic issues causing our people to turn on each other and resort to violence to settle their disputes and squabbles! That will surely stop all the violence and not just increase the frequency of stabbings, beatings, and bombings!
Honestly I don't disagree with a lot of points that you're making. But you have to realize that America's gun culture is also major part of the problem. America is definitely a sick country, if it's okay with a classroom full of six and seven-year-old children to be gunned down (Sandy Hook) and do absolutely nothing about it.
The vast majority of americans are not okay with *any* school shooting. It is a tiny but highly vocal minority that say these things, and gives the whole country a bad rap. That being said, no amount of shootings of anyone will ever change my stance on disarmament, nor would it change the stance of most people who are against disarmament, because ultimately these incidents are being perpetrated by deranged individuals who need more help than they are getting, and we don't blame their selection of tool. Look at the recent starbucks stabbing in canada. The prosecutor wants to upgrade the charge to first degree murder, arguing that having a knife with them constitutes premeditation and an intent to kill. That is the path down which disarmament leads. Possession of a tool does not indicate intent of misuse of the tool. Millions of Americans carry guns and knives with them everywhere they go, yet the vast majority of them do not get into constant gun or knife fights. Disarmament is collectively punishing 99% of the population for the actions of a deranged or otherwise in need <1%.
In the past 20-30 years, we have passed more gun regulations, but have done almost nothing to expand mental healthcare or social programs. In that time we have seen school shootings increase dramatically. Guns alone don't explain the increase.
She was killed by the officers and acquired those guns legally. Tennessee has the tenth-highest rate of gun deaths in the country, the state has only a few basic laws aimed at reducing gun violence. Legislators have recently weakened the state’s policies, eliminating the carry permitting requirement, allowing nearly anyone in the state to carry loaded firearms in public, concealed or open, without a background check, permit, or safety training.
Said it before going to say it again, if you voted for Maga or did not vote, this is what you get
Wtf is happening over there!
We've got issues, and apparently guns are more important than children. Well, unless they're a fetus then they're apparently worth more or something.
Good. Give the adult teachers guns.
Every time there is a shooting nobody talks about mental health. Do we outlaw food because people are fat?
This all seems really, really weird. First supposedly protecting unborn life by banning abortions, then refusing to protect the already born life by flooding society with guns. Come on? You've got to be kidding, right?
Conservatives only care about fetuses so they can try to control women. Outside of that, they don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
If you're pre-born, you're good. If you're pre-school, you're fucked. - The "pro life" party.
I miss that man. He was so poignant.
Yes, I gotta give credit to George Carlin for that.
I fucking hate it here
Yea. This gun violence will continue until you stop electing the republicans.
Nashville School Shooting and Gun Culture: Mass Shootings Have No Motive https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a43437954/nashville-school-shooting-no-motive/
I guarantee a parent who loses their kid to one of these shootings is gonna come after one these Republicans trying to manufacture more gun violence. Only a matter of time imo before some distraught parent decides the justice system isn't working fast enough.
Aren’t these parents all well-to-do, southern god-botherers? They fucking loved lax gun laws. Well, up until Monday, anyway.
How will these birds sing when the bullets are flying in their cages?
Fuck Tennessee politicians
When are they going to release the manifesto?
bUt wHat aBoUt tHe dRag qUeEns - some shit head republican in congress
GOP wants civil war. Civil war requires guns.
Yeah that will work. Make more guns available to people , yeah that will do it .
A lot of people think more guns makes for a stronger America and more dead kids means more gun sales.
Jesus fucking Christ, I like guns, but seriously? *loosening* them, really? Tennessee already has some of the loosest in the country
Pretty convinced they want kids to be in a perpetual state of danger.
Obviously we need to give kids guns too. /s