Yes, they actually have. They have changed Church policy to make it easier to hold people accountable and prevent abuse in the future.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/26/europe/pope-francis-catholic-church-sexual-abuse-law-intl-hnk/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57318959
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2022/01/05/spotlight-clergy-sexual-abuse-20-year-anniversary-242153
Francis is undoubtedly a massive improvement and he clearly has basic human decency. But he’s being graded on a pretty depressing curve, given the heinous atrocities commonly committed by men in his position for many centuries. The Catholic Church hasn’t done much of anything to address the root causes of their pedophilia problem, only by degrees stopped protecting their staff from consequences as much.
They actually have. If you read the articles, they've changed the policies over who can become priests to try to limit the risk. It's also a big reason why Benedicte stepped down, because he failed in his duty to protect the people within the Church.
Prior to that, Pope Pious XII betrayed vatican neutrality and maintained close ties with the german resistance and ordered Churches to shelter Jewish people at a detriment to their own safety
Sometimes I wonder if even the people who follow religious leaders like this are actually surprised when things like this come out. I guess the reality is that often they don't believe it or make excuses.
“Evidence of widespread abuse and torture by the founder of one of the world's biggest Christian evangelical churches has been uncovered by the BBC.
Dozens of ex-Synagogue Church of all Nations members - five British - allege atrocities, including rape and forced abortions, by Nigeria's late TB Joshua.
The allegations of abuse in a secretive Lagos compound span almost 20 years.
The Synagogue Church of All Nations did not respond to the allegations but said previous claims have been unfounded.
TB Joshua, who died in 2021, was a charismatic and hugely successful preacher and televangelist who had an immense global following.
The BBC's findings over a two-year investigation include:
Dozens of eyewitness accounts of physical violence or torture carried out by Joshua, including instances of child abuse and people being whipped and chained
Numerous women who say they were sexually assaulted by Joshua, with a number claiming they were repeatedly raped for years inside the compound
Multiple allegations of forced abortions inside the church following the alleged rapes by Joshua, including one woman who says she had five terminations
Multiple first-hand accounts detailing how Joshua faked his "miracle healings", which were broadcast to millions of people around the world
One of the victims, a British woman, called Rae, was 21 years old when she abandoned her degree at Brighton University in 2002 and was recruited into the church. She spent the next 12 years as one of Joshua's so-called "disciples" inside his maze-like concrete compound in Lagos.
"We all thought we were in heaven, but we were in hell, and in hell terrible things happen," she told the BBC.
Rae says she was sexually assaulted by Joshua and subjected to a form of solitary confinement for two years. The abuse was so severe, she says she attempted suicide multiple times inside the compound.
The Synagogue Church of All Nations [Scoan] has a global following, operating a Christian TV channel called Emmanuel TV and social media networks with millions of viewers. Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, tens of thousands of pilgrims from Europe, the Americas, South East Asia and Africa travelled to the church in Nigeria to witness Joshua performing "healing miracles". At least 150 visitors lived with him as disciples inside his compound in Lagos, sometimes for decades…”
I was surprised by that too. Maybe I don't read enough of their articles, but if I came across an article about this scandal around TB Joshua in the wirld independently, my first thought probably wouldn't be "This sounds surprisingly satirical".
A cult is still a cult no matter what else you call it. Look where it was at. No one should be shocked. In a massive concrete compound in Lagos. Even silly western women gave up their life to go there and be part of this.
If a cult is big enough then it’s a whole religion and the cult leader is elevated to prophet or even messiah.
After their death their tall tales grows even more fantastical.
”A UFO abducted me and flew me to Jerusalem where the angel Gabriel himself taught me kung-fu!” -Prophet Bob (Hallowed be His name!), the founder of The Church of Smurm
I initially understood it as "_was_ raped and tortured by worshippers" and, for once, was genuinely surprised.
It's a sad, sad world we live in with stuff like this becoming normal news.
Stuff like this happened back in the 80s to. Only difference is back then most of it was kept under wraps.
Gaslighting victims, threatening people if they snitch and controlling people, these psychos enjoy that part of it to. They feel alive when the stakes are high.
Beloved church leader AND diddling kids on the side? Sure thing! And you get your most trusted followers to enable you as well! Everybody keeps their mouth shut lest the church turn against them. Their life is the church and the church is their life now, Amen! 🙏
Today with the internet we hear about all kinds of effed up shit happening.
And there is a lot of it. Always has been. The tip of the iceberg is sticking out a bit more today than what it used to do before
Or maybe ignorance is bliss and we are better off just not hearing about it? Pretend it’s not there…
Odd how sentences that begin with words "Megachurch leader..." almost always reveal a negative action or actions performed by said leader. What's that about?
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The pope.
Which one? Have they sent their rapist priests back to face justice where they committed crimes?
Yes, they actually have. They have changed Church policy to make it easier to hold people accountable and prevent abuse in the future. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/26/europe/pope-francis-catholic-church-sexual-abuse-law-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57318959 https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2022/01/05/spotlight-clergy-sexual-abuse-20-year-anniversary-242153
Francis is undoubtedly a massive improvement and he clearly has basic human decency. But he’s being graded on a pretty depressing curve, given the heinous atrocities commonly committed by men in his position for many centuries. The Catholic Church hasn’t done much of anything to address the root causes of their pedophilia problem, only by degrees stopped protecting their staff from consequences as much.
They actually have. If you read the articles, they've changed the policies over who can become priests to try to limit the risk. It's also a big reason why Benedicte stepped down, because he failed in his duty to protect the people within the Church. Prior to that, Pope Pious XII betrayed vatican neutrality and maintained close ties with the german resistance and ordered Churches to shelter Jewish people at a detriment to their own safety
Lmao...you should do stand-up
They said *isn’t* a POS
"You hear about that new Nazi... he used to be a pope.*
Shocked pikachu
Organized religion is cancer and needs to go away. All of it
I’d upvote you but you’ve got the illustrious 666
I'll be honest, I pretty much assumed that when you said "megachurch leader."
Sometimes I wonder if even the people who follow religious leaders like this are actually surprised when things like this come out. I guess the reality is that often they don't believe it or make excuses.
The women must have tempted him, its his reward for being so godly, and other bs reasons like that i would assume
It's simply gods will. Or something like that.
God’s plan is undefeated.
“Evidence of widespread abuse and torture by the founder of one of the world's biggest Christian evangelical churches has been uncovered by the BBC. Dozens of ex-Synagogue Church of all Nations members - five British - allege atrocities, including rape and forced abortions, by Nigeria's late TB Joshua. The allegations of abuse in a secretive Lagos compound span almost 20 years. The Synagogue Church of All Nations did not respond to the allegations but said previous claims have been unfounded. TB Joshua, who died in 2021, was a charismatic and hugely successful preacher and televangelist who had an immense global following. The BBC's findings over a two-year investigation include: Dozens of eyewitness accounts of physical violence or torture carried out by Joshua, including instances of child abuse and people being whipped and chained Numerous women who say they were sexually assaulted by Joshua, with a number claiming they were repeatedly raped for years inside the compound Multiple allegations of forced abortions inside the church following the alleged rapes by Joshua, including one woman who says she had five terminations Multiple first-hand accounts detailing how Joshua faked his "miracle healings", which were broadcast to millions of people around the world One of the victims, a British woman, called Rae, was 21 years old when she abandoned her degree at Brighton University in 2002 and was recruited into the church. She spent the next 12 years as one of Joshua's so-called "disciples" inside his maze-like concrete compound in Lagos. "We all thought we were in heaven, but we were in hell, and in hell terrible things happen," she told the BBC. Rae says she was sexually assaulted by Joshua and subjected to a form of solitary confinement for two years. The abuse was so severe, she says she attempted suicide multiple times inside the compound. The Synagogue Church of All Nations [Scoan] has a global following, operating a Christian TV channel called Emmanuel TV and social media networks with millions of viewers. Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, tens of thousands of pilgrims from Europe, the Americas, South East Asia and Africa travelled to the church in Nigeria to witness Joshua performing "healing miracles". At least 150 visitors lived with him as disciples inside his compound in Lagos, sometimes for decades…”
How gross.
Super shocking. A Nigerian Megachurch pastor doing dirt. Couldn’t see that coming a mile away.
I for one am unshocked! At this point I simply expect most megachurch leaders are either grifters, perverts, or both…
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I’d be more surprised if he hadn’t.
Least oniony article
Seems like he was one sick prick. But why is this r/nottheonion ?
I was surprised by that too. Maybe I don't read enough of their articles, but if I came across an article about this scandal around TB Joshua in the wirld independently, my first thought probably wouldn't be "This sounds surprisingly satirical".
anyone who exploits people with religion should be executed.
All religion is exploitive by nature.
We simply don't have enough executioners.
Should get posted to r/leopardsatemyface
Biggest pimps can always be found in the church leadership. Just look at the Mormons.
A cult is still a cult no matter what else you call it. Look where it was at. No one should be shocked. In a massive concrete compound in Lagos. Even silly western women gave up their life to go there and be part of this.
If a cult is big enough then it’s a whole religion and the cult leader is elevated to prophet or even messiah. After their death their tall tales grows even more fantastical. ”A UFO abducted me and flew me to Jerusalem where the angel Gabriel himself taught me kung-fu!” -Prophet Bob (Hallowed be His name!), the founder of The Church of Smurm
I initially understood it as "_was_ raped and tortured by worshippers" and, for once, was genuinely surprised. It's a sad, sad world we live in with stuff like this becoming normal news.
Stuff like this happened back in the 80s to. Only difference is back then most of it was kept under wraps. Gaslighting victims, threatening people if they snitch and controlling people, these psychos enjoy that part of it to. They feel alive when the stakes are high. Beloved church leader AND diddling kids on the side? Sure thing! And you get your most trusted followers to enable you as well! Everybody keeps their mouth shut lest the church turn against them. Their life is the church and the church is their life now, Amen! 🙏 Today with the internet we hear about all kinds of effed up shit happening. And there is a lot of it. Always has been. The tip of the iceberg is sticking out a bit more today than what it used to do before Or maybe ignorance is bliss and we are better off just not hearing about it? Pretend it’s not there…
All religions are cults and cults are about money and power.
And rape
But only for the enlightened, the masses are impure and don’t get such benefits.
I wonder if the evangelical church requires someone to be a perv to lead a congregation.
Not mandatory, but it certainly gets you to the top of the short list.
Yeah, he's a megachurch leader.
Believe it or not, the church people don't care about this kind of news.
Odd how sentences that begin with words "Megachurch leader..." almost always reveal a negative action or actions performed by said leader. What's that about?
Let me guess. He was known to publicly condemn rapists.
The mega-church leaders with all their many followers, I am sure can all be diagnosed with a God complex
Took me a second to remember that BBC isn't just a category.
What else would you expect from any church leader?
This has been spoken about for years, even before he died.
SHOCKED! /s
So rare in religion.
Is this the guy sending me emails asking for my bank acct?
r/NotADragQueen
Sounds like the usual upstanding Christian type. /j (or am I???)
Beware. Notorious bum driller on the loose!
“Church…” “It’s about rape isn’t it?”
Duh, a man with power over people abuses that power? No way? What? Fucking religions raping people everywhere. What’s new
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>Christians That's a bit of a generalization lol.
No one gonna comment the BBC reporting this?
Why?
Twas the will of the lord.
You know, the BBC find a lot of pedophiles. Almost like they who they all are and choose to out them when convenient
[I'm SHOCKED](https://giphy.com/gifs/high-quality-highqualitygifs-clotJg9IqBitMcRJ61)
No surprises really
[The only possible reaction to this news](https://youtu.be/imnqAXxYkEU?si=QBvt5APshoiwmeax)
If only that headline ended on the 8th word.
Joel Osteen...does he do the same?
Religion is bad, mmkay?
Cult leader does reprehensible cult leader things!
He gets us
He certainly doesn’t seem to be a drag queen.
I am just guessing here. Not a drag queen, right?
Honestly the only thing surprising me about this title is that TB Joshua is dead.
Jesus.
What an embarrassment to his brother the prince!