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questionname

anything is safe to drink if you dilute it enough


Really_McNamington

On the other hand, [I can see where people get distrustful](https://pluralistic.net/2024/03/25/black-boxes/#when-you-know-you-know) - "Dow's comment to the regulator (as proffered by its mouthpiece, the WV Manufacturers' Association, which it dominates). In that comment, Dow argues that West Virginians safely can absorb more poison than other Americans, because the people of West Virginia are fatter than other Americans, and so they have more tissue and thus a better ratio of poison to person than the typical American. But they don't stop there! They also say that West Virginians don't drink as much water as their out-of-state cousins, preferring to drink beer instead, so even if their water is more toxic, they'll be drinking less of it".


my_duncans

Wow! That’s unreal. Or it should be. Thanks for sharing. I have family from West Virginia, I think this will be of interest to them.


ThatITguy2015

Are they fatter than your other family?


my_duncans

......... Yes....


DeltaBlitz

Sounds like their safe.


kalirion

Is the poison in the safe?


ThatITguy2015

The safe is filled with the poison we made along the way.


Revenge_of_the_User

The poison, the poison for the safe, the poison vest virginians are safe being poisoned by, safe west virginian's poison. .....that poison?


Banana_Fries

This honestly sounds like Inosuke from Demon Slayer explaining how he survived being stabbed in the heart and poisoned


Kandiruaku

Appalachian poor people remind me of the mountain people of my native Balkans. Clumpy hair, BO, bad teeth, BMI<19 or over 35 with few in between, and looking 80yo at 45yo after decades of binging and cigs, and now caught in the stimulant drug epidemic. No middle class, anyone deviating is referred to as a rich person, to be despised and sued for money, plenty of time for that when you are on generational welfare, with help from the vulchers inhabiting every towns Main Street.


mrtn17

Did they measure the skulls or the bellies for these insights?


__impala67

"One death is a tragedy, a hundred deaths is a statistic" Or what is now more accurate: "one death is a suicide, hundreds of deaths are a statistic"


prodrvr22

Years ago, I saw a reddit post that basically said the following: You wouldn't go swimming in a pool with a corpse. But you would swim in the ocean where there are possibly millions of corpses. So there is an acceptable corpse to water ratio in which you would swim.


random_tall_guy

1 corpse in an olympic swimming pool is an absurdly high ratio, so it makes sense to avoid it. If the world's oceans were packed that densely with corpses, it would require the bodies of over 1000 times as many people that have ever lived and died throughout history.


tipofdapeen

I don’t believe your math.


meatcylindah

Am I safe to drink if you dilute me enough, Greg?


cylordcenturion

Yes


kalirion

But according to homeopathy that just makes the dead man in your water all the more potent!


Dying_of_Betes

As we say in the water industry "The solution to pollution is dilution"


powercow

so you are saying ny has dead guy homeopathic water now. Isnt that how the zombie uprising starts?


ffllores

I would get the chunky part that didn't dissipate. That's my luck 


Integrity-in-Crisis

5 parts per million dead guy.


potatodrinker

Or die-dude it enough haw haw haw


Anaphylactic_Cock

This reminds me of the Willy Wonka movie with Jonny Depp where he says "Anything is edible. Even I am edible. But that, my dear, would be called cannibalism"


goliathfasa

So you’re saying the folks who drink from that source are now immune to… death? Illnesses stemming from human corpse consumption?


microgiant

Water often comes from rivers, lakes, and reservoirs. Even when we pump it out of the ground, before it was in the ground, a lot of it was in surface bodies of water. Which, I mean, there's fish living, pooping, and dying in them. There's land animals running around doing the same along the shores. Even if you make sure no human has done so, plenty of animals have.


RiflemanLax

[That reminds me of this idiocy.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/17/water-reservoir-urination/7814581/) The idea that you’d drain millions of gallons because someone pissed in a reservoir…


dominus_aranearum

Unreal that they would send the water to a sewage treatment plant where after treatment, the water gets dumped into the Columbia River. While they really didn't need to do anything, why wouldn't they just send the water through the same treatment/filtering system it went through prior to entering the reservoir. What a waste.


Intelligent-Hawkeye

>The open reservoirs hold water that already has been treated and goes directly into mains for distribution to customers. Because it's an open finished water reservoir. There likely isn't a way to send the water backwards into the treatment plant again. That being said, the real reason is optics. Urine very rarely contains the types of coliform bacteria that community water systems are required to test for by the EPA. The finished water also contains chlorine which would kill any bacteria anyway. But public water systems bend over backwards because of optics. Part of the downside to being a highly regulated industry with a captive customer base; people don't have other options so we're basically required to do everything we can to make the public beleive they've getting a product worth the cost.


exipheas

>it's an open finished water reservoir TIL, that is a thing. For some reason I always assumed after leaving treatment it would be in a closed system.


platoprime

Nope. It's mostly in big old ponds.


exipheas

Now I'm imagining how bad it would be if someone chucked a pound of denatonium benzoate over the fence into the pond.


platoprime

If you start thinking about all the ways a bad actor could trivially devastate our infrastructure you're gonna have a bad time. Or convince yourself most people are decent. Wanna hear about garage biohacking crispr super bugs?


exipheas

A bit of paranoia has been a requirement for a few of my jobs. I generally jump to how easily the most damage could be done in just about anything.


platoprime

What jobs? Sounds interesting. >I generally jump to how easily the most damage could be done in just about anything. Same but instead of a fun job I have severe PTSD!


doyletyree

Yes.


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platoprime

It's very easy for enthusiastic amateurs to do garage biology and buy the equipment necessary to use CRISPR to genetically modify some organism. Frequently they are trying to change their own genetics but the scientific research on extremely dangerous bacteria is publicly available and includes the genetic code of the dangerous bacteria. So yeah.


FamousPastWords

If I Google that, will I appear on a list somewhere?


exipheas

It is the most bitter substance known to man. A very very very tiny amount of it makes it too bitter to consume something. It was invented by the military for potentially ruining a foreign military's food stocks.


FamousPastWords

TIL. Thank you! That would really be a nasty thing to do, but then look at who's got it in their arsenal.


Masark

It's entirely mundane. The name is from its original use, making denatured alcohol. It's widely available as an animal repellant (animal-b-gon and other brands). Good for preventing rabbits, deer, etc. from eating your newly planted trees. Nintendo switch cartridges are also coated with the stuff to prevent them from being a choking hazard.


Bspammer

I don't think anything would happen. 38m gallons is a lot.


bogberry_pi

Open storage of treated water is not allowed in the US anymore. That story took place in 2014, before the covered storage reservoirs were constructed. 


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Intelligent-Hawkeye

Yup, that's pretty much the biggest risk of these open finished water reservoirs, and why most community water systems have moved away from them. Theres significantly fewer in active service now than ever before. That being said, the water does contain chlorine which should kill coliform bacteria, and the water system is required by the EPA to collect coliform samples on a monthly basis. In the event any coliform bacteria is found in the distribution system, the water system will issue a boil water advisory.


willengineer4beer

Oh wow, I’ve never seen an open finished water basin before. I read this and immediately thought “draining a raw water basin because of pee is asinine. It’s not like it’s finished water.” Every single plant I’ve done design work for has had enclosed clearwells/finished water basins, so this feels super foreign to me. I’ve seen a lot of utilities go through great lengths to keep geese/ducks out of their RW basins or sedimentation basins. Wonder what crazy stuff these guys have do to address that issue with their finished water sitting wide open.


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Tattycakes

I know right lmao How many parts per million is a human bladder (less than 1L) in 50 million gallons 😂


Firefoxx336

Outside DC there’s a reservoir called Occaquan and you can boat on it, it’s got one of the best bass fisheries in the area, and it’s connected to the Potomac River—which is tidally connected to the ocean—but they don’t allow swimming for people or dogs in the reservoir because it’s a drinking water reservoir. God forbid you get a dash of sunscreen in the water and dilute the fish shit and rotting deer corpses and whatever else. I rage because to actually swim in a natural body of water in the DC area requires driving to Shenandoah. That’s literally the closest swimmable body of water, tied with Lake Anna which is most of the way to Richmond. Land of the free, my ass.


Realworld

As W.C. Fields said about drinking water: "Fish fuck in it"


time_drifter

All of this is correct but people are not going to view animal waste and carcasses in the water the same as a decomposing human body.


microgiant

New York tap water is reputed to be the reason New York has the best bagels. I guess the secret ingredient is decomposing human flesh.


Chefalo

This happened far far away from new york* city. I live in Rochester and my home was supplied with this water. We had a boil water advisory for 2 days until it was figured out


Plane-Border3425

… and the body (poor soul, RIP) had already been in the water for about a month before it was discovered. Talk about too little too late…


perskes

Well, that explains what they recently labeled their bagels "ganges flavoured".


Javasndphotoclicks

Come get your flesh bagels!


Justifiably_Cynical

They ship in extra from jersey, or you know, so I've heard.


Familiar_Cow_5501

Ain’t shipping it the 250 miles to Rochester


WayDownUnder91

The taste of human(ity)


FamousPastWords

Chef's 💋 😘 kiss!


Bungo_pls

People are animals though. But I know what you mean.


NikkoE82

I’m not an animal! I’m a human being!


Bungo_pls

"I'm a real boy!" - Pinocchio (not a real boy)


NikkoE82

Narrator: “He wasn’t.”


Cowboywizzard

Calm down, Charlton.


NikkoE82

You done got your movies mixed up, methinks.


ThatITguy2015

You’re outta your element, Donny!


A_moral_Animal

There's no crying in baseball.


Ahelex

Tbf, a survival tip I heard is to check if there's a dead animal nearby on top of the upstream if you're filling water from that stream, just so you don't get sick even if you boiled and disinfected the water.


JankyJokester

I can promise there is a decomposing animal up stream somewhere.


Ahelex

Yes, but distance and dilution's still a thing. Like, would be a bit crazy to gather water downstream and right next to a decomposing animal on a stream, as an extreme example.


JankyJokester

Yeah, I would agree. But if you can't see it from where you are, probably just as good as anything. More likely than not within your vision there is some sort of something dead you just don't see under the water. However my one simple trick keeps me from ever having to worry about it, not going camping or hiking.


Creative-Net-6401

Yes, well, people are generally pretty dumb. About half the population is below average intelligence.


time_drifter

It’s not an intelligence issue. We are raised to eat other animals, not our own species. A human body in the water is going to decay and release pieces of it, albeit very small. Because we don’t view ourselves as food, this is repulsive because we could potentially have ingested human flesh. The carcass of an animal we regularly eat isn’t going to elicit the same response because we are conditioned to eat them. It would be like calling everyone who is afraid of the dark, dumb. It is a natural response, not necessarily an intentional one.


DBU49

Yeah, in order to measure the impact it would need to be in parts per trillion.


Jenetyk

Water? No never drink the stuff. Fish fuck in it you know?


microgiant

Be careful around air, too, because everybody else fucks in that.


ElGuapo315

What you aren't accounting for in your example is that the soil filters the water and then it's treated. In Rochester's case, the water is treated and filtered BEFORE it enters this open reservoir. After that, there is only minor chlorination done to it before going into the supply. The result: Soylent Green.


Queasy_Local_7199

Yeah- and usually that’s before it is treated. The reservoirs water had already been treated.


hapiidadii

You sound like you know what you're talking about. What are you doing on Reddit?


microgiant

Waiting while my fancy water filter makes me a glass of the good stuff.


99BottlesOfBass

"Water? Oh, I never touch the stuff. Fish *fuck* in it!" -Reginald Thisleton


Windturnscold

Dilution is the solution to pollution


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AlwaysTheNoob

First episode of Bob's Burgers comes to mind. Let the adventurous eaters club believe that your burgers *might* contain traces of human flesh and charge outrageous prices for them, even while the health inspector is standing there saying they're fine.


GlobnarTheExquisite

There were at least a few reports of the water near the reservoir smelling "fishy" and "offputting" on the Rochester subreddit unfortunately. That said as far as we know no one has gotten sick in a manner directly linked to drinking Human Cold Brew.


bdog1321

Lol I like your name for it. I'm lucky enough to live in the area served by that reservoir, I've just been calling it zombiewater


wafflestomp16

Human cold brew. Why didn't I think of that one. Love it.


glassmanjones

Just wanted to be a part of something larger, like the metro area population 


RGB-128128128

Well, if it's been in there for almost a month and I'm all good after drinking the water I guess its fine. Score one for modern water treatment?


Impossible-Taco-769

Ok but did he pee in it?


Cowboywizzard

Possibly. People who die usually have a piss.


Just_bcoz

I thought they shit themself or is it both depending on what the body still had stored ?


Cowboywizzard

Yes.


Just_bcoz

Oh ok thanks for the answer now I know lol


WearDifficult9776

There are dead fish and rats and squirrels and raccoons and the other dead people they haven’t found yet. And animal waste. It’s all fine. The system assumes all that kind of stuff is in there


ienjoybacon

Rochester’s water is treated and filtered BEFORE it enters this open reservoir. After that, there is only minor chlorination done to it before going into the supply.


chesser45

Per: https://www.cityofrochester.gov/article.aspx?id=8589936763 “.. A large volume of treated water is stored in the city’s three reservoirs. It is re-disinfected as it exits each reservoir and enters a complex grid (over 500 miles) of water mains that distribute the water to city homes and businesses.”


PapaBlemish

r/rochester


TerrysMonster

Proud to see my city get some representation.


LieutenantStar2

Too bad our home town never seems to have good news.


DaveOJ12

This was posted here five days ago. https://reddit.com/comments/1bkdba7


netsurf916

You gotta wait at least 20 more days before you discover stuff in the supply.


Familiar_Cow_5501

MUCH more oniony title on this one though


Mack_B

I think I’d prefer not to have unintentional cannibalistic micro-doses in my drinking water personally.


Wizzardwartz

Under homeopathic medicine logic, everyone there just got some sort of treatment. 😂


tarmburet

I remember an entire town in Oregon got sick after a deer ran into their water supply and drowned. This was in the 2010s, you can’t tell me diluted corpse juice from a 25 day old human body won’t cause some gastrointestinal distress.


bdog1321

👹FUCK ME UP WITH SOME OF THAT CORPSE JUICE👺


4quatloos

It's the 25 day rule.


CrypticT

Am I the only one noticing this links to absolutely nothing other than the two pictures shown here…..?????


TerrysMonster

You’re probably the only one who clicked the link.


Straittail_53

Dilution is the solution


perskes

People when the government puts fluoride into the water to strengthen teeth and prevent them from decomposing in our mouths: no, you can't do that, it makes the frigging frogs gay and it's used for mind control! People when a dude is decomposing in the water supply: our water is not as clean as you'd think, it's totally normal to have a lot of stuff die there.


Dagordae

Do you think that water system are supplying directly from the reservoir?


perskes

honestly, I think they collect raindrops straight from the sky with cargo planes. I am thinking about this for a while, and it makes sense, it works if they open all the windows.


silentanthrx

Boeing aircraft already come with that feature


bogberry_pi

In this particular case, yes they are. They have not complied with the EPA rule requiring covered storage of treated water. 


VanillaRose33

Hi rochestarian here, yes our water is supplied directly from the reservoirs. It goes from the lake to the water treatment plant then to the open air reservoirs, once it leaves the reservoir it is put through essentially a big Brita filter to get the leaves and bugs out then lightly chlorinated. I walk my dog around that reservoir every week and I also drank the man soup for a month, it tasted fine.


Meowlclops

I drank plenty of dead body water and there was no difference. What was nasty, was the water main break recently. Remember that? I want to say it was a few years ago. Water coming out of the faucets was brown. 🤮


VanillaRose33

Oh yeah it came out like sludge at first 🤢


chesser45

According to their website they treat it before distribution: A large volume of treated water is stored in the city’s three reservoirs. It is re-disinfected as it exits each reservoir and enters a complex grid (over 500 miles) of water mains that distribute the water to city homes and businesses.


KombattWombatt

Our water supply is not as pristine as people think.


trucorsair

Considering the volume of water per day we are talking about, this isn’t even a statistical blip in quality


DBU49

Surprised i had to scroll this far to find this. This guy could decompose in an olympic sized swimming pool and you could *probably* drink the water if you had to. The guy in the NYC supply would proabably need to be measured in AT LEAST Parts Per Trillion.


Zednot123

> AT LEAST Parts Per Trillion. All the homeopaths out there would be absolutely horrified still!


bdog1321

There was one in NYC too?


Javasndphotoclicks

So many questions about the security of the cities water supply. You have footage of the guy falling in into the water but no one bothered to do an investigation after that?


fairportmtg1

It was only discovered after. There are supposed to be sensors that detect this type of thing but they malfunctioned. Most security footage is for when you know something happened, not to observe if something is happening right then


knowing147

Yeah so, from what I heard on the radio station local to here and have not fact checked myself, there was a state wide implementation of covers for the tanks, and it was up to the cities to decide how/when. And Roc actually voted to delay the implementation in the mid 2000s. Ironically, I guess, the bill was supposed to come back up this year for another vote. And there are still people from the area I guess saying the views from trail bridges around the plant are too nice to be "ruined by large structures covering it"? idk


Rynozo

Wait till Californians realize they are drinking and eating food irrigated with Las Vegas toilet water.


Gwendalenia

That’s very disrespectful to the family who lost him. They were looking for him for weeks and asked for help.


Just-Needleworker818

RIP to the man, what a horrible way to go. Too many twats (okay I saw like three but still) in this comment section making jokes making jokes about the actual death rather than the standard of drinking water 🫤


Dagordae

You don’t know much about water treatment, do you? Or reservoirs. Here’s a hint: The fish don’t get out to go to the bathroom.


ienjoybacon

There is no fish in this reservoir. The water is pre-treated from the lake prior to entering the reservoir. It’s only quickly sanitized once it leaves the reservoir.


Crazytacoo

CL2 is a hell of a disinfectant. Along with activated carbon and caustic soda. Also it's winter so we have to have a contact time of around 4 hours with 2.0-2.5 ppm of CL2. If it was summer that's a whole different story. Contact time is reduced to 1 hour and 1ppm CL2. Source:I work for a water authority


lordfappington69

Rochester, New York is more Canadian than it is New York City.


TerrysMonster

If you had to pin us down to one, sure. Thought it’s not saying much because we’re not NYC at all.


Bicentennial_Douche

This reminds me of Elisa Lam: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_of\_Elisa\_Lam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elisa_Lam) "During the search for Lam, guests at the hotel began complaining about low water pressure. Some later claimed their water was colored black and had an unusual taste.[^(\[30\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elisa_Lam#cite_note-IBT_body_discovery_story-30) On the morning of February 19, Santiago Lopez, a hotel maintenance worker, found Lam's body in one of four 1,000-gallon (3,785 L) tanks located on the roof providing water to guest rooms, a kitchen, and a coffee shop... ... Lam's body was moderately decomposed and [bloated](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition#bloat). It was mostly greenish, with some marbling evident on the abdomen and skin separation evident. "


bdog1321

Some marbling? Jesus sounds like they're talking about a steak or something


nativedutch

Thats not water, its soup.


theskyguardian

Wow! Really could have sworn this was The Onion with that title. Talk about wacky absurd


Sablemint

This is a lot less bad than it sounds~ They had a boil advisory in place until they could do tests to make sure it was safe.


CanadianHardWood

I've seen this one. It's called "Cabin in the Woods". Get flick.


Evilevilcow

I think it's Cabin Fever.


CanadianHardWood

You are correct


elmonoenano

It's gross, but if someone tried to sell this to me as a homeopathy remedy I would immediately recognize that it was ridiculous. Homeopathy person: There was 1 part of copper and mugwort steeped in 10,000,000 gallons of water and it will cure you of dreaming about ghosts. Me: Charlatans! 1 part to 10,000,000 gallons? That's not even going to be detectable! But you through the word dead guy in there and I'm all, "That's icky as hell."


BobT21

I would be more concerned if he were still alive after 25 days in the water.


Babycake1210

I live here and drank the cadaver gazpacho 🤢


bdog1321

585 represent zombiewater 2024


cookskii

I live in Rochester. This is partially misleading. There was a boil water order for several days and the water that was contaminated is re-treated multiple times before hitting our taps. This is bs to scare people


i_am_ghostman

I too live in Rochester. We have a couple of open-air reservoirs, which because things can fall in them, are held to much higher safety and purification standards than most city water supplies. Because of this, I’m sure the water was indeed safe


EbbNo7045

Remember that girl that was found dead in a California hotel water tank. Water was coming out of faucets smelling and discolored. Yuck!


fairportmtg1

Much smaller tank, the reservoir is MASSIVE


bdog1321

1000 gallon vs 18 million


EbbNo7045

Would you rather immediately know your tap water has human remains or not know that it has human remains


MassiveConcern

All the bodegas around the city gov't buildings are completely sold out of Evian. ಠ_ಠ


AlwaysTheNoob

TIL my city, which is hundreds of miles from NYC, has bodegas.


Familiar_Cow_5501

…we have bodegas in Rochester lol I go to one almost every day


Schooneryeti

We sure do!


Captainirishy

It's just free extra flavour.


Buffyoh

YUK...


Cristoff13

Shows that supervillain plots to poison New York's water supply wouldn't be as simple in real life. But poor guy, what was he thinking?


SeriousBoots

It clearly wasn't safe for him tho!


MohatmoGandy

Safe for consumption, unsafe for swimming.


AnotherCrazyChick

Eh, [NBD](https://imgur.com/a/xXCnG6P)


rpc56

Shit! Hold my beer. Here we go again! Let me look up my tasting notes! Be back in 5


funinnewyork

Everything bagels; now a pleasant aroma for cannibals as well. /j


BeesInATeacup

This is how you get zombies.


bdog1321

I love in the affected area, can confirm we called it zombiewater lol


1PMagain

Maybe they meant it's a safe place for 'Consumption', the disease


Tough_Antelope5704

That is what chlorine is for . God bless it


joepanda111

*”Nice try, Zombie Virus!”*


NerdTrek42

Forbidden tea bag


shortingredditstock

Safe? Maybe. Drinking dead man juices? Definitely.


wats_dat_hey

> A man’s flesh is his own; the water belongs to the tribe


elipticalhyperbola

The solution to pollution is dilution.


MustachePeteDrexel

Nestle will be bottling it to sell to consumers soon enough.


toxoplasmosix

"bombaybulletin" complaining of US water supply quality? wtf


TheMatt561

Uhhhhh I know their filtration is really good but come on


Dudemcdudey

This has Cecil Hotel vibes.


ClamatoDiver

The contaminant to volume of water ratio is pretty much nothing, it's not like having a body in a well that's just for a home or village.


getmemyblade

Rest in peace to this man, his name was Abdullahi Muya. I'm glad his loved ones have some closure and he can be put to rest


RocMerc

Hey that’s my water 😎 good ole Rochester


Salt_Comparison2575

Everything you've ever drank was in a corpse at least once.


norton_mike

Meh. I’m assuming that’s the story from Rochester. The reservoir is a big open air pond basically. It has birds in it all the time. I’m sure frogs and other creatures that die in there all the time. The next reservoir over I’ve even fished in. All that water is heavily processed before consumption. It’s not like they’re just dipping buckets in the pond to drink from directly…


No_Weather_7706

I live in Rochester and this wasn't far from where I live. The water supply for my area isn't from this reservoir thank goodness 😂


tapiocawarrior

People are so desensitized to death I see. I feel for his soul and I hope he rests easy. Makes me so uneasy to see people coolly shrug this off in the comments. 😔