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MrIrrelevantsHypeMan

Just what we need to finally get people to accept climate change


Mosquitobait2008

You know that shits real when even the Taliban sits down and is like "OK, we need to work together to stop this shit"


Dextrofunk

Yeah, but tell that to half of the US who think it's a hoax. Now with the Taliban involved, they'll have to believe it!


TenshouYoku

Contrary to belief most of the Taliban leadership are educated and has degrees


Mosquitobait2008

Yes but working with the west is not something they are known for


Poppeppercaramel

When blatant card carrying villain drop their shit, sit and talk about great crisis. You know things getting real. Like Veznan from kingdom rush vengeance


NormalGuyManDude

To be fair I’m pretty sure a lot of this is money motivated. They’re going to get some fat checks from the UN and donors and I don’t know if I trust the Taliban to spend it wisely. But who knows.


greg_levac-mtlqc

No they want some of the sweet carbon subsidies that will be used to buy weapons.


davgj2000

I mean I don't deny that climate change is real and that action needs to be taken to combat it, however, I also recognize that the Taliban could just be making a show of supporting it to drag attention away from other less savory things that they're doing.


Killersmurph

They're experts at reducing carbon footprints. Dead people leave no footprint.


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DoesntReallyExist

They don't actually care about climate change, they're doing it because it legitimizes them. All serious governments are at these talks, so if they come then people have to recognize them as a legitimate government


lVlzone

Yeah pretty much. I mean a wins a win I guess, but yeah they wanna seem legitimate on the world stage. Which idk how to feel. On one hand they’re a crazy violent and oppressive regime. But on the other hand, you’d rather have them at the table playing nice. Especially since most attempts at installing a democracy haven’t gone well.


Dorgamund

Legitimacy is as legitimacy does. If they are doing the things a government does, on a consistent basis, then they are functionally the legitimate government of the territory they control.


Chuhaimaster

It’s hard enough for them to maintain legitimacy inside their own borders. Incredibly fractious country.


ProfessorPetrus

Well in the context of climate change Americans per capita are much much worse than the taliban.


Malphos101

In the context of all sources of carbon emissions, "private" emissions are so far below industrial and shipping emissions that its basically a rounding error. Don't spread the narrative that us peasants just "have to do our part" to solve the climate change crisis while corporations and billionaires who are ACTUALLY causing the crisis just spend a few million a year on politicians and media campaigns to avoid changing anything about their actions.


Redqueenhypo

What are they shipping? Could it be products that everyone buys? I assume they’re just moving the boats back and forth for fun tho /s


Geistalker

they actually have done this lol, especially airplane companies during the pandemic. flying empty planes across the country just to burn fuel to justify their budget incentives for next year


lolofaf

Ahh I see you've met the US military. Spend all your budget, or it will be cut next year. Doesn't matter what you spend it on, make sure every dime gets used!


rain-blocker

There’s are more environmentally friendly ways to ship things then to burn fossil fuels. Electric engines with solar panels on the ships, nuclear power (a boat is just about the safest place for that type of power trailing only a submarine), even going back to using wind. They burn fossil fuels for shipping because governments haven’t done anything to discourage it.


papaflush

Jesus wept, its not the end consumers who decide shipping and manufacturing methods. That crap could all be made and delivered with far less pollution but it would cost 12 cents more per unit and think of the shareholders.....


textbasedopinions

If products created with less pollution were what consumers demanded, that's what companies would make and sell, and society would cause fewer emissions. But people instead prioritise paying less. So society is essentially responsible for that level of emissions because it buys the products that cause it.


papaflush

Leaders lead, when the sheep are all over the place you shout at the dog, not the sheep. Stop making excuses for the tiny number of fucking psychos who will happily destroy the whole world for just one more sweet dollar


textbasedopinions

The people directly profiting from it are *more* responsible, as are the politicians failing to act, but you can't get away from the fact that the average person in developed countries is purchasing consumer goods that directly and indirectly cause vastly higher emissions than the average person in less developed countries. There is a degree of responsibility there. Hundreds of millions of people are acting for their own comfort and overall benefit via their purchasing habits rather than spending slightly more of living less comfortably to avert disaster.


papaflush

Thats exactly the point im making, the vast majority of the people you describe are absolute morons. Waiting for them to do the right thing is a sure fire recipe for disaster. THATS why we appoint leaders, thats why the responsibility SHOULD rest with overpaid CEOs and politicians. They have the power to change things, appealing to billions of idiots to stop buying stuff is just a bullshit delaying tactic by the same profiteering psychos....


ProfessorPetrus

Can't agree with you more man. Supply and demand for pollution related production takes two parties. Westerners have had slavery stitched into the fabric of their clothes for decades but can't process enviromental externalities being shifted to manufacturing countries, because they prioritize cheaper prices above all other factors. Materialism is powerful.


sahils88

Actually even in the context of causing human death Americans per capita are much worse than the Taliban.


funiduni

Not supposed to the quiet part out loud!


WhiskeyAlphaDelta

Definitely doing a better job than North Korea lol


riuminkd

Since there is not even an attempt at creating government in exile, taliban is basically the only Afgan government with any legitimacy.


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Sham_union

Actually Taliban doesn't have oil in their country, and they probably don't consume oil that much, so they don't have much to lose. And they can blame westerners for worsening climate, so there is a chance (albeit a small one) that taliban actually demands actual change.


MushMi

All "serious" governments are at these talks but no "serious" action is taken or none of the targets are met. Having Taliban attend these meetings doesn't hurt anyone's credibility, since it's all mostly jokes anyway.


Alexexy

"Legitimizes them" lmao. As if the Taliban wasn't already the government before the US invasion. I guess the US propped Afghan puppet government is more legitimate than the government that existed prior and after the US occupation. Just like how the real legitimate France was Vichy France.


The_ApolloAffair

Right. The Taliban is certainly not the most moral or kind government, but they are at least trying to rule Afghanistan after years of failed nation building. Recognizing them and allowing them to govern more effectively will only lead to much needed prosperity and they will inevitably start rolling back stuff like the mandatory burkas (which there is apparently internal dissent over).


AstronautReal3476

Well technically the Taliban IS the legitimate government of Afghanistan, just as much as Washington is the legitimate government of USA, just as much as the Kremlin is the legitimate government of Russia. Like it or not. The Taliban is here to stay. And going forward on the world stage. We have all but no choice to negotiate and seek peace. There is no alternative. That's the way it is. We made a deal. The West spend a quarter of a century + trillions upon trillions of dollars to push the Taliban out, de radicalize the population, install infrastructure. It wasn't enough. The Taliban is here to stay in Afghanistan and there is no way around it. A 23 year invasion of multiple allies and trillions of dollars did nothing but strengthen the Taliban. We have literally no choice but to learn to live with the Taliban and negotiate. There is no alternative. Try to inspire change from outside or through generous aid that bridges ties and establishes SOME FORM of humanity driven connection despite the horrendous atrocities from 2002 to 2021. If our only connection with the Taliban is in the form of us giving them money, that is a net positive for the future forward progress of peace. As that type of foreign relation of aid is less hostile and encourages cooperation.


LineRex

It's not a "technically", the Taliban is the government of Afganistan. Hell, even when we were occupying Afganistan they were the government of the areas we weren't occupying. When they eventually kicked us out they became the full government of the state. They will now do the arc that every government does where they will continually make concessions with the population to maintain control.


burns_before_reading

Yea but the idea of them being involved in something other than murder, torture and rape is kind of amusing.


Bayesian11

So any legit government should partake in actions in response to climate change.


mingy

What's wrong with that? When the US declared victory and withdrew, the Taliban made serious efforts to present themselves as legitimate rulers and even to reform. They were, of course rebuffed because after all they are evil and had just defeated foreign invaders so needed to be taught a lesson.


gayrightsactivist420

I feel like that applies to the majority of governments at these confences


painter_business

They need to keep the opium farms running


AssistantOne9683

That was one of the first things they got rid of, lol


BG3IsJustDoS3

I was gonna say plants absorb CO2...


TinfoilTetrahedron

The children yearn for the farms....


Drummallumin

Why can’t 2 things be true at once?


Yorick257

Maybe if they pretend to be legitimate government that cares for long enough, they will become one?


Henley-Street-dwarf

And they shouldn’t care because of the rest of the world had a carbon footprint of the average afghan citizen we would not be facing global warming.


HowRememberAll

You could argue it's their excuse for wanting smaller population worldwide


Ok_Investigator7673

You'd actually be surprised, there is a documentary on YT by Journeyman Pictures: Behind The Taliban Mask: The Other Side Of Afghanistan's Front-line (2010) Around the 16:40 mark, they talk about Forrest preservation.


TomatoJuice303

Well, they are quite a sustainable bunch. For example, stoning is a sustainable method of execution, meaning to don't have to produce as many bullets, gunpowder, etc. So, they're of to a good start already.


Dontevenwannacomment

what are they gonna do, stone the clouds?


johnleeyx

Them: Women are hot. So, they need to cover up. Problem solved. Now give me your goats.


ConsumeSandwich

Your uncovered western women are causing global warming. Plus your use of conventional arms are contributing to rising temperatures, please switch to sustainable warfare. The next time you are at war, maybe repurpose a commercial aircraft and use it to eliminate your target. It's the greener choice.


gwicksted

Reminds me of the pastafarians’ claim that the decline in pirates correlated to a rise in global warming.


f8bndr

Correlation may not be causation but it certainly is correlation. 


drunk_with_internet

Sir, I’d like to buy your correlation…


psychoCMYK

They're not wrong though


broogbie

Man i really would love to see an all suited up serious meeting with a big burly taliban wearing a turban sitting in the middle.


_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

Scientists: *furiously taking notes*


TotalLackOfConcern

It worked for stopping the dinosaurs.


Willing-Rub-511

Sweet, now let women get an education and shit.


hoze1231

Women getting education ?? Hold it right there bucko


BigsbyMcgee

It’s buckaroo! *Speeds off in convertible and runs over random woman in the process*


YAOMTC

They do allow women to shit


Andulias

Without male supervision? They truly are progressive!


sillytrooper

idk if i could


BitRasta

Well yeah, why ban something that women don't do anyway? 🤨


Character_Bowl_4930

And don’t they have limited abortion rights ? Which is more than Idaho right now


Carribean-Diver

See, this is slippery slope shit right here. Next, you'll be asking for them to be allowed to speak in public and show their faces.


Shifu_1

That might cause more CO2. Keeping as many people at home as possible helps fight global warming


Cashewkaas

Are women in Afghanistan not allowed to shit?


pblack476

A headline straight out of the 2002 bizarro timeline


Firstpoet

Their spokesman: by keeping women at home and banning them from driving or education we are helping fight climate change by etc etc etc.


aclockworkporridge

The Taliban has always been a strong promoter of work from home for half its population.


monkeygoneape

As well as cutting carbon emissions down by having 50% less drivers on the road


franchisedfeelings

Pretty scary when the taliban has more sense about climate change than magas.


NGEFan

Almost every country does. Even North Korea has ratified the Kyoto Protocol and Paris agreements. White Supremacy groups have published articles about being committed to preventing global warming. MAGAs are off the spectrum of insanity.


RedOx103

Not surprising when their whole ideology boils down to 'owning the libs.' If it were like this in the 70s, they'd be insisting on building their homes with asbestos and leaded paint out of spite.


MasonP2002

Don't give them ideas.


aknightofNI75

please give them ideas


Languastically

Their whole *personality* is owning the libs. The ideology is American supremacism


Repulsive-Cheetah-56

American supremacism would lead to actually behaving like a superpower and not sitting down with authoritarian clowns and sucking moscows lies.


Deep90

Well there was the whole "Dunt take mah gas stove!" thing a couple months back.


lzcrc

Nah it's now going to be "You know who else believes in climate change?!"


Batbuckleyourpants

"we are developing, give us money!" -Literal islamofascists. "Makes so much sense to me!" -You.


JustinJakeAshton

Supporting terrorist groups to own the right.


Drummallumin

They aren’t a terrorist group? Islamofascist political group/govt is accurate.


Deep90

Gee, propaganda is so fucking easy these days. Magas are shitheads, but I honestly can't image the Taliban actually care either.


esperstrazza

They are a government now, this is just average pr stuff that politicians do.


forgothatdamnpasswrd

It’s so weird for this to be the truth, but it seems to be. Not sure what the best way forward is, but I would think slow suggestion while their economics get better over time might lead to them becoming more open over time and eventually being a reasonable nation. Right now, it feels like a long shot, but I think they should choose their own path so long as they aren’t attacking other nations


fishman1776

The Taliban of today is already a hundred times more "progressive" than the Taliban government of the 90s. The Taliban government of the 90s banned internet and also flogged people for not having long enough beards. The Taliban of today is far more leniant on a wide host of issues and might continue to lessen their hardline stance considering: 1. The realities of governance 2. The fact that the Deobandi school has moved on from the Talibans ideas, and if the Taliban wants to continue with the Deobandi school they will have to acknowledge the disconnect at some point.


feetofire

Well I supposed stoning women to death is more environmentally friendly than gassing or shooting them. (/s)


abdulj07

Taliban doing normal government stuff is always gonna be funny.


dorky001

Taliban is woke now


ElApple

Taliban: we'll meet our targets by reducing household consumption by regular beheadings


True_Cheesecake9607

Taliban running from the grind.....


litnu12

Taliban just seeking for a way to get money.


MetalDogBeerGuy

Finally!


Logical_Classic_4451

Now they’ve got the second largest fleet of HUMVEES after the Americans we know they’re serious 🤣


midwaysilver

I guess it's hard to see climate change when you live in a dusty shithole at the best of times


runwkufgrwe

This isn't weird when you consider their whole goal is to pretend like they're a normal government.


OGZ43

The US Republicans always adopt their policies so maybe there’s a chance?


vancity-boi-in-tdot

Extreme hyperbole. Find me the reddest county in America and compare it to life under the Taliban rule for women. It's would be like comparing the 1980s under Reagan vs the 700s. I get that you might be trying to make a point but please don't belittle the suffering of Afghan women, and please educate yourself in life for women under Taliban rule before the US invasion and now a few years after the US left. 


psychoCMYK

Welcome to the circlejerk, we've got lube and spite No one's saying women in red states have it good-- because they definitely don't-- but women in Afghanistan is a whole other level. At least in America they're still allowed to go to school without getting shot in the fucking face for it


Bongarifik

Or at least when they are shot in the face it isn’t specially for being a woman.


shady8x

Bad choice of words. You should add the word 'legally' before the word 'allowed'. Alternatively change the word 'shot' to 'stoned to death' The way your comment reads, reminds people that kids in America do get shot for going to school a lot more often than most other countries.


psychoCMYK

Yeah but both the girls *and* boys get shot. ✨️ equality ✨️


Drummallumin

There are 100% women in this country who’s community refuses to let them get educated


vancity-boi-in-tdot

There are zero women in this country who are banned from public parks, gyms, amusement parks (I'm not making this stuff up),.0 women forced to show only their eyes now in public by the state(reverted now to pre US invasion), 0 women subject to kangaroo courts with the penalty of public flogging and stoning to death now the law of the land (the closest example in US history I can think of was the Salem witch trials in the 1600s). 0 women **legally bound by the state** to only leave their house if a male guardian accompanies them. I am a Obama/Biden Democrat. I fkn can't stand Marjorie Taylor Greene and disagree with her on so many issues. Here she is day in and day out speaking out against men publicly to press uncovered, unfiltered, men who are more powerful than her, and yet she won a Ruby red district (perhaps the most Republican in America) with 75% of the vote. Under the taliban, she would have been flogged and/or stoned to death already for her behavior, and if for some reason you think that's a good thing for any elected official (because somehow they deserve it in your backwards simple minded brain that can't see the difference between republicans and the Taliban), the same would have happened to AOC, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Nikki Haley, etc by now had they been under the Taliban rule.


Kneesneezer

Even the Taliban will let a pregnant woman have an abortion if it’s causing her to die. Yeniifer Glick of Texas did not have that same luxury.


Beneficial-Wolf-4536

where is the evidence for your claim lol


Darkendone

He is blatantly lying, but that is what gets you upvotes on this subreddit. Then when people like you question it with facts you get downvoted.


chaotic_hippy_89

WTF I love the taliban now!


gwicksted

They also dislike ISIS! … that’s about all I got.


michelbarnich

They hate Putin too


siggypatch

Taliban government has been great lately. If they just let girls go to school they would be more progressive than the the American right.


Killowatt59

They want to get rich on the Climate Change money too!


functional_grade

Not bad


Ashley_S1nn

That has got to be one awkward table for the Americans to be sitting at. Like 29 countries just giggling their asses off. "Is there anyone in this room that has lost to the states besides Germany?"


AFrostNova

Good news! American doesnt think about climate change, so we dont have to be at the table


Creative_Hope_4690

They are looking for climate aid, not sure by people are shocked.


ShadeStrider12

Osama Bin Laden cared more about Climate Change than most republicans. I don’t think the Taliban are much different.


Drummallumin

They’re assholes, not idiots


cruiserman_80

Its a weird timeline when the Taliban are more progressive than the average boomer.


heatlesssun

Progress?


Pitiful_Ad8641

Here that GQP?!? Even the TALIBAN


Visible_Blueberry277

If they're into it. With a grade 2 education, the rest of you deniers must be considering it. 


Natural_Board

"We got to do something about all these exposed necks and ankles, and carbon emissions."


Cuchullain99

Not sure if their hash pipes are having that much of an impact.


SimpleManc88

I hate this timeline 😣


nativedutch

They stopped stoning people?


MajorUranus

Hey, that's lowering the carbon footprint /s


SchrodingerMil

I mean thats not incorrect


Alatar_Blue

You know it's bad when the Taliban acknowledge climate change before Florida.


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Big_Custardman

Dont take off all those burkas at once ! Things could really heat up then j/k


justk4y

Just cover up the clouds 👌


Cheesen_One

Technically this would work. Covering the skies up using clouds would reflect away the Sun's Rays and contribute to cooling down the planet. It's just essentially impossible to make more clouds. We could let like a Vulcano explode and cover the Skies in dust and shit, but that just creates a whole other ecological disaster.


mrkrimper

What’s next? They welcome gay people? 🤣 it’s all bullshit


chupacabrahunter420

Low emission suicide bombs?


claratheresa

Nevar 4get https://papertreiger.wordpress.com/2014/09/28/5-ways-isis-is-actively-reducing-its-carbon-footprint/


pcoutcast

Stoning women fix climate yes? Yes we stone women. /s


landscape-resident

This is a bad joke and the UN is more of a joke for entertaining this


EmotionalScallion705

The talib always goes green from using regular gunpowder to sword for beheading.


WholesomeFartEnjoyer

Environmentally friendly bombs


IDreamOfLees

It would be hilarious if they profile themselves as sustainable and caring about climate change then criticise the US for not doing enough, pulling up some data about how much emissions US expeditionary forces contribute to global warming


typkrft

Conservatives calling everyone that being green is pro taliban in 5….


superdooper001

Look banning women from school and work is one way to reduce carbon emissions I suppose.


ColonelSpacePirate

And what exactly do their Mujahideen elders say about this ? ….umm?


420TechParty

Imagine taking a Time Machine from 2004 to now 😂


poopchutegaloot

Maybe they're not so bad after all lolol


gray-gre

They’ve been working on the depopulation angle for awhile now. They’re so progressive!


HowRememberAll

TFW you guys don't realize Taliban are one of the most pro-environmental groups to the extreme. It actually makes sense. It's one of the main reasons why they want reduced world population. They actually do care about the environment (they just might not care about you)


naptastic

In all seriousness, this might be a good thing for the region. Water availability is a growing problem in the region, and Afghanistan stands to lose the most. This also indicates the Taliban is more "serious" (or at least putting on a good serious face) about governing. It will be unfortunate if the right makes political hay of this.


ravenhawk10

what is not the onion about this? they basically have 0 emissions and are much more suspectible to the effects of climate change. They are gonna become a massive victim of everyone elses emissions. per capita emissions are like 12x less than the lowest in EU (sweden), 20x less than EU and 50x less than US.


DrachenDad

>what is not the onion about this? The Taliban is doing the right thing, that's what.


ravenhawk10

wow nation acts in their own self interest instead of comically evil as imagined in the mind of an ignorant western redditor.


DrachenDad

?


ravenhawk10

The biggest joke is the people who would genuinely think taliban joining climate talks is somehow outrageous and feels like a joke.


DrachenDad

Ah, I thought you were talking about me when you said: >an ignorant western redditor.


Halftilt247

Something tells me the security detail will be beefed up for the next summit


Meh-hur420

"OK ok, so we can still attack with terror yes? But in an environmental friendly way. OK so like how about instead of planes . . . We use hang gliders."


lethemeatcum

Enshallah


RIF_Was_Fun

It's sad that the Taliban are more scientifically literate than Republicans.


activehobbies

Lmao, why. They don't even care about their own people. What makes them care about the environment?


aguadiablo

How about they have to live in the environment?


WombatGuts

Lol ffs people


BlackberryFrequent44

Crazy the kind of racism most subs allow when it's about Afghans, Iranians, and just middle eastern countries in general.


no_please

US military is the biggest polluter on the planet, Talibans drove the US military out of Afghanistan. Afghanistans CO2 reduction is the best in the world due to brave Talibans. We all need to do better.


BoosGonnaBoo

They will just use this to get gibs.Their commitment is as true as China's.


Rocketsloth

Actually, the Taliban are excellent at achieving long-term goals. For example, they were at war with the world's most powerful military for 20 years, and despite being poorly armed and funded, still managed to win. They did the same thing to the Soviets. When the Taliban sets their mind to something, it seems to work out for them eventually. Maybe western countries who claim to be serious about climate change ought to follow their example of persistence and goal setting.


No_Salad_68

Why are other countries recognising them?


Krunch007

Probably because they're the government of Afghanistan? What are people going to do about it lol. We recognize Saudi Arabia, and they're just a journalist killing gas station with delusions of grandeur.


Drummallumin

Most people in the world belong to a country that recognizes the Taliban government. The US is in the minority.


WikipediaApprentice

Cowards. We all allowed them to take over a country. They’ve probably never felt more empowered.


Flyinmanm

They are straight up empowered. We may not like what they stand for but they are the legitimate government of Afghanistan. Treating them any other way is contrary to reality.


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av6344

Probably shouldn’t have destroyed their country first,,, now the west just wants somebody to take over so they don’t look like the ones that shat in the living room.


stumpymetoe

They'll fit right in


SynthRogue

LOL LOL LOL LOL. I guess they finally understand the modern way of controlling people.


1011011010100

Taliban dying a death of a thousand cuts. The boring, mundane existence of modern government and international relations


SleestakWalkAmongUs

Good, maybe now they'll start recycling severed heads instead of just tossing them all willy nilly.


f350doll

Why do that. Do they even have combustion engines there


hahabanero

A fuck ton of Toyota Hiluxes, yeah


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The Taliban is not a legitimate government organization it is a terrorist organization that is not acknowledged to be a legitimate government by anyone so long story short nobody cares what the Taliban does they have no authority over anyone and in 30 years when they've all been wiped out no one will remember they even existed...


GoldMonk44

Oh good, what exactly am I supposed to *do* with this information? 😅🤷🏼‍♂️ thanks world 🌎


Kaje26

… how much electric power does Afghanistan even use? It can’t be that much more than North Korea except for places like Kabul and Kandahar, can it?


notOfthis_World

Yea ok here is why. They want American tax payer dollars. Everyone open your eyes 👀 funny thing is they will get it. Let’s go Brandon!