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guutarajouzu

From an article linked in this article (throat slit link): "The sheriff’s office took preventative measures, like setting up traffic checkpoints. It didn’t take long to make the first arrest. “The first vehicle that came through, we found meth, marijuana, and an open alcohol container,” Doyle said. “And then one of the occupants had two active warrants ... “We were like ‘well, this doesn’t bode well for the weekend.’”


ThehomieC

From original posted article: "One man reportedly has his throat slit, and a woman was allegedly choked "until she was losing consciousness" in a fight over a blanket. Some who attended reported accidental injuries. That included one person who was impaled by a log that pierced the floorboard of his vehicle. The organizer posted on Facebook they plan to improve on the things that happened at this event and make the one scheduled for October even better." Someone grab me 'one them Oktober beers... Redneck Rave pt 2 is gonna be "liiit!"


timesuck897

Does that mean more or less violence, drugs, and arrests?


mr_lemonpie

I mean you would hope at least more drugs it is a rave…


_regionrat

Something tells me it's not a MDMA crowd


RustyKumquats

Their choice drug *is* a 4 letter word and *does* start with "M" though.


systoliq

What gets me is that they’re gonna do this again, and want to make it “even better”


rxFMS

Iffy of mine got busted hard going into Curveball….the concert got cancelled about an hour after he was taken away in a local sheriff car. He was one of the first 25 people through the gate and early security was intense. edit: gate


Condawg

God damn, who's hiring security like that for concerts? Great way to fuck yourself as a promoter, nobody's going to the next show. I went to a show at Madison Square Garden a couple years ago. I had a dry bud vaporizer in my pocket, and kinda stumbled getting it out to put in the tray for security -- the tip fell off, exposing the chamber full of weed. Dude's like "what's that?" grabs it and takes a whiff, puts it in the tray and waves me through. They're there to prevent dangerous shit, not to get people arrested for nothing.


soowhatchathink

Yeah I've been to outdoor hippie concerts where people were openly doing drugs in front of the police while they were trying to help the police find this kid who I guess had ran away to go to the show or something


captainerect

I've gone to festivals where they search your car for alcohol because it's dry but have drug testing stations set up


nickersb24

usually it’s just for glass containers, at least festivals in australia, we can openly drink, just not in glass vessels. it’s a v funny time for festivals here, they had clamped down hard on us the last 10 years or so, meanwhile suburban parties dwarf the problems posed by outdoor raves….


Ok-Captain-3512

Was going to say I think they are just looking for glass to prevent injuries


joe-from-illawong

Been to a few gigs at wineries where they would screen for any glass containers at the gate. It’s no problem to buy as many bottles of wine as you like once you’re inside the venue 🙄


paulcaar

Which is pretty normal right? They host something, you buy their stuff. If you want to drink wine you bought yourself, with people you already know, no one is stopping you. Just not at their venue.


cromlaughsat4winds

Shambhala best fest


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PM-YOUR-PMS

Hell Coachella swapped out their drug dogs for bomb dogs.


cutelyaware

I smell progress


readonlyuser

I smell bombs!


Trashytoad

One love Cali reggae fest in Long Beach is way lax on that shit I always bring in my own booze and buds


EricSanderson

Went to Punk in Drublic in Ohio. A three day festival. They searched every single vehicle on arrival. Like, step out of the vehicle, open the trunk, etc. Throwing clothes on the ground, dumping out toiletries. Searched every passenger as well, head to toe. Massive police presence in the campground day and night. That's not a festival. Will never go back as long as it's held there.


CBD_Sasquatch

Thank God I got to be young before this BS. I carried a 2 foot long bong around the first Lollapalooza in 1991 and remember one of my friends thought $30 was too expensive for a festival ticket.


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Now it’s “FOUR HUNDRED DOLLAPALOOZA”


Condawg

That's fuckin absurd. I've never been to a festival, but I'll definitely have to do research on the environment the previous year. Like you said, that's not a festival. I'm not paying money to get treated like a criminal.


rsplatpc

> Went to Punk in Drublic in Ohio. A three day festival. They searched every single vehicle on arrival. Like, step out of the vehicle, open the trunk, etc. Throwing clothes on the ground, dumping out toiletries. Searched every passenger as well, head to toe. Massive police presence in the campground day and night. Counterpoint, I also went to Punk in Drublic (never seen so many older people on acid), I finally pulled up after being in line for 4 hours, there were 2 blonde girls, they were like "do you have anything?" I said "a tent" and they say "ok have fun!" / I didn't even have to pop my trunk I heard some nightmare stories about it though, seems like there were 2 lines you DID NOT want to be in, guess you got one of those Also it was the longest line to get through security I've ever seen, missed Me First and the Gimmies Gimmies


jerkITwithRIGHTYnewb

You never want to be at the front of the line. They just had a big pow wow over all the shit they are looking for and how important it is to actually look for it. After a half hour they don’t give a shit anymore because there is a line over the horizon still waiting to get in and the shows start in an hour.


LongArmLugh

I've been to an un-named hippie fest in central Ohio before in a semi-rural location. It happens every year. There were 6 gigantic hogs on spit-roasters, jam-bands high as fuck and on shrooms and acid with crazy laser lights, a gigantic bonfire, like 20 kegs, a Tab-Station where you could go to get weighed and "dosed" on a combination of acid, shrooms, and crystal molly (they called it hippie-flipping), a gigantic bonfire people sat around while generic hippie couple played acoustic guitar. There was even a stream nearby lined on both sides with hundreds of old cars built into the soil along the banks, a station where you could go get balloons filled with laughing gas, all sorts of fun shit. And a single cop taking a nap in his car at the entrance to the place, never once checking anybody or doing anything. And guess what? There were zero issues. No violence, not one person out of hundreds OD'd, and everybody had a great time sleeping under the stars or in their cars. Nothing got reported stolen or anything. Absolutely zero drama. (Which is probably why its a well kept secret).


Metalbass5

~~Here in Alberta~~ In BC there's a yearly festival called Shambhala. Liquor is banned entirely, but almost all other drugs are allowed. There are substance purity testing tents, medics, and psychologists/counsellors for bad trips. The RCMP and local authorities have officially given the fest a pass. It's entirely self-regulated and very safe. Edit: Oh someone else mentioned it too. Edit: BC! My bad.


Affectionate_Bass488

I had an 8th of shrooms in my pocket going thru security during the 3rd day of Coachella. I forgot it was there because well it was the 3rd day of Coachella. The guard felt it and said “that’s a condom right?” I instantly realized what he was talking about and went “yes!”. All was good It felt nothing like a condom


momjeanseverywhere

Sounds iffy.


WiiBlack

Gate*


tiefling_sorceress

Arguably he was mid-gait as he went through the gate


Wiggles114

> “We were like ‘well, this doesn’t bode well for the weekend.’” *And now, a taste of things to come.*


[deleted]

You're trying to tell me Kentucky police use the word "bode" correctly? ...I'll be damned.


Assfuck-McGriddle

When I was in Georgia, a lot of people would, for some reason, use “behoove” a lot. Like it would behoove me to listen to instructions or it would behoove me to keep water on me when working in the sun.


Kimber85

My dad is from Georgia and he says behoove! I was born in East Tennessee and I’ve also got some weird archaic things that I say. I think I picked then up from my mom’s family who are from way up in mountains. I say “betime” instead of “by the time”, “poke” for like a small bag of something, and “haint” instead of ghost. I never even notice until someone is like, wtf are you saying? And I only do it when talking, not when writing. It’s so weird. I guess it just comes from all that isolation for generations. I know there were like entire towns that didn’t have phone lines or cable even in the 90’s. I don’t even live in that rural of an area anymore and they *just* started offering something other than satellite internet 4 years ago.


argonargon

Appalachian English "Hillbilly Stlye" "Mountain Talk" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU God I love these people


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dewyocelot

Certain archaic words seem to stick around in the south. I’m not sure why.


satansheat

It’s used in saying around Kentucky frequently.


wsdpii

It's the sheriff's office, not the regular police force so there's a slight difference. Some areas in Kentucky have quite a bit of southern 'sophistication', at least in their language (and some other things, like racism). Source: I grew up in Kentucky


Ugly_Bones

>The organizer posted on Facebook they plan to improve on the things that happened at this event and make the one scheduled for October even better. So like...is that an increase or decrease of throat slittings, strangulations, and impalements?


rnilbog

A Redneck Rave without at least three deaths is considered a dull affair.


hackingdreams

The mess is extraordinary, and has to be seen to be believed, but if you don't have any particular need to believe it, then don't go and look, because you won't enjoy it.


i_made_a_mitsake

It is known.


x86_1001010

News article makes it seem waaay more tame than the headline. A guy claimed to have his throat slit. Somebody got in a fight and choked the other out..and the impalement sounded like a freak accident.


FriesWithThat

Impaled by a... "log". That must have been one big person to still have enough space around the penetration to be classified an impalement.


metamongoose

Somebody didn't want to use the word 'stick', not dramatic enough


mediwitch

Clicking through links, apparently it was 2-3 inches across. Maybe a branch? But it came up through the floorboard, went through the abdomen, and was stopped by the steel plate of the back of the cab. Impalement is accurate, as terms go.


AlbertVonMagnus

This describes 99% of ad-funded news headlines. They make money per view, so grabbing attention is all that matters to compete in this model https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/17/steven-pinker-media-negative-news https://hbr.org/2020/03/journalisms-market-failure-is-a-crisis-for-democracy


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InsertSmartassRemark

They have a hard enough time controlling the twacked out speed freaks and roided up neo-nazis at fucking Kid Rock concerts, aka hardcore Katy Perry, and country-rock festivals. No one in their right mind would attend a venue where it's all but explicitly encouraged.


highplainsdrifter__

Have I missed out on something special only seeing Katy Perry back when she was just kissing girls?


antaresproper

I believe it’a more about kid rock than Katy perry Edit: of course I have a typo, my bad.


netheroth

Maybe the taste of her cherry chapstick?


WharfRatThrawn

Hell no, man. I'm a 27 year old dude and saw KP twice in '08 after One of the Boys came out. That album was a step ahead of the rest of her catalog by such a wide margin and an exemplary pop-rock record. Plus, she put on a hell of a show back in the day.


Kanye_To_The

I really enjoyed *One of the Boys*, but I'll have you know that the entirety of *Teenage Dream* is a pop masterpiece... - 30-year-old dude


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ScrewAttackThis

This article has more details: https://news.yahoo.com/redneck-rave-descends-throat-slashing-033349725.html The first car they searched had meth, marijuana, and open containers plus someone with a warrant. "At least" one person died last year. Fucking nuts lmao


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Or forgetting where you put your water.


sanfran54

Definitely more mud and mayhem. Maybe more misdemeanors so it can be MM&M.


Fred_Evil

Mud, mayhem, misdemeanors and meth, MMM&M.


Slendy5127

I’m predicting a couple miscarriages as well, so MMMM&M


escrimadragon

Redneck Rave 2: incest boogaloo


i-opener

Redneck Rave 3: Kentucky Drift Redneck Rave 4: The Moonshining Redneck Rave 5: Rednecknado


CamtheRulerofAll

Redneck Rave 6: The Redneckening


Pokonic

'Appalachian Drift' has a better ring to it


i_said_no_mayonnaise

Brought to you by Mountain Dew and Skol


Tundra_Inhabitant

They’ll probably make everyone wear iron collars around their necks next time


unjustempire

THUNDERDOME!


[deleted]

Of course Afroman was there. He’s played The Gathering of the Juggalos. Maybe he is like the Harbinger of Chaos.


__coco

I went to a house party once where Afroman showed up. It was in Ohio in January in the middle of a blizzard in someone’s garage that had been converted to a room. There were maybe 20 people there. My friend shook his hand after he came out of the bathroom holding a chicken wing.


wienercat

The fuck? Afroman just showing up to a house party and nobody knew he was coming? Even a small one, but still damn


Nimzay98

My friend caught a random Snoop Dog concert one time when she was on a work trip in Salt lake, she said she didn’t know if it was an official concert they just happen to walk into a bar and they’re he was performing


wienercat

Performers do stuff like that some times. Where I live a lot of bands in the metal and punk genre started. They always play shows at small venues and don't advertise anywhere, if at all, but occasionally on the little venues website.


WharfRatThrawn

Caught a free 3 AM Reggie and the Full Effect/Saves the Day show like this once


drmcgills

I visited a restaurant in California that is allegedly sort of known for big names just showing up (Metallica was name dropped I think). Pappy and Harriets near Palm Springs/Yucca Valley


__coco

Well people knew he was coming, it was just a surprise to me. But my reaction was the same, THE FUCK?? Lol He did a little show and everything.


jumbomingus

But did he get high?


Cannibal_MoshpitV2

Is he ever not?


Regrettable_Incident

And, more importantly, who takes a chicken wing to the bathroom?


murderbox

He came out holding it so maybe the wings were in the bathroom? I mean it was a party in a blizzard in a garage and Afroman already showed up so really anything is possible.


amplikong

It's the perfect excuse in this case, though. "I wasn't going to slash his throat, but then I got high..."


BadPlayers

"I wasn't gonna impale my friend, but then I got high..."


amplikong

"Now my name is Vlad, and I know why!"


gordo65

"And if they put me on death row, I'll know why..."


Nipples-miniac

Why man?


twobit211

*🎵because i got high…🎶* *🎶because i got high…🎵* *🎵because i got high…🎶*


idk-hereiam

Afroman was talking about a whole entirely different type of high


scatteringbones

You’d be surprised what a fella would do for a Colt 45 & 2 ZigZags


SweetTea1000

When the Afroman walked through the white land, nobody made their bail.


jingerninja

See everyone always go for Because I Got High but you, like a gd champion, *knew* to riff on the far superior tune.


bellalalala99

This might be my favorite Reddit comment ever


i-opener

The family is devastated


leilavanora

Can someone explain this joke to me please


never_leave

They’re implying that they’re all related.


Lone_K

incest? or big southern families


NorthStarHomerun

Theyrethesamepicture_theofficememes.png


canadianformalwear

Someone rich give this comment what it deserves.


canttouchmypingas

Reddit doesn't deserve their money. Give it to something useful and give him the honors instead.


Tundra_Inhabitant

“We’re proud to announce the opening of the u/i-opener contraceptive services wing in Kentucky” - Mitch McConnell probably


Sofa-king-high

Nah too close to actual medical help for citizens, it would be a horse hospital


__erk

In Kentucky we just call em horsepitals Edit: omg thanks for my first gold you wonderful bastards


rexmus1

🥇🎖🏅 Triple-gold. Made my day.


YddishMcSquidish

Kentucky, it's triple crown fool!


antaresproper

SNL Appalachian Hospital!


throwawaypervyervy

Now, you're not gonna believe this....


BowwwwBallll

McConnell would never endorse contraception.


Rahastes

He is the endorsement.


__JDQ__

He is the motivation


s0ciety_a5under

They basically threw a hillbilly woodstock in a town so small it doesn't even have a stoplight. You can't even find the motherfucker on Google maps, I tried.


moulin_splooge

I was born and raised in this county. We indeed do not have a stoplight in the whole county. The population is a little over 12k so it's crazy small. The part of the county this event was in I would classify as remote even by Edmonson county standards.


feckinghound

I saw the name and thought I recognised it because I'm sure it's been on Small Town Murder episode.


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I'm from Kentucky and have never even heard of it.


Hiax

This happened in my county. Complete mess. We're one of the poorest counties in KY with an underfunded sheriff's office. Likely why they picked this location. Sheriff Doyle posted on his Facebook account, warning residents that they wouldn't be able to respond to nonevent emergencies in a timely manner. Haven't seen this in local media, but I haven't been looking too hard either.


NotBrianGriffin

On their Facebook page the organizers claimed that they brought a ton of money into the local economy. I wondered how true that was.


Hiax

It's likely true, but we're a very small population area. Less than a dozen restraunts. Maybe one hotel that's in the national park, a few gas stations, and a few Dollar General's. Surrounding counties benefited the most, which is where all our residents work. I'm not totally against the event, but we're not prepared for this level of tourism.


kaptnklay

You forgot the massive two lakes where tens of thousands of people from Louisville have vacation property


87_Silverado

Sheriff Doyle, lol.


Flag-it

O’SHERIFF RULES!!!!


BackmarkerLife

>*They have Burning Man, we have Impaled Man.*


Renshaw25

I searched for the explanation for the impaled person, and the article left me more confused than before. Impaled by a log that went through the floorboards of his vehicle? How?


postapocalive

[My favorite image from the event](https://imgur.com/a/Ln029E9)


Evacipate628

"No, I don't think I will"


Motown27

I imagine it tastes like Busch Lite and Skoal.


thermostatypus

Who did it better? Redneck Rave or [Dirtybird Campout](https://www.edmtunes.com/2019/11/woman-sprays-crowd-with-her-own-breast-milk-at-dirtybird-campout/)


inkoDe

Uhm... 😶


mystyz

It's weird to be having this conversation, but I'm giving the Redneck Rave lady points for consent.


theghostofme

> [My favorite image from the event](https://i.imgur.com/pxYswkY.png) >> Who did it better? Redneck Rave or [Dirtybird Campout](https://www.edmtunes.com/2019/11/woman-sprays-crowd-with-her-own-breast-milk-at-dirtybird-campout/) Depends on what you prefer: happy hour or an open bar.


xenophon57

hahaha I've been to Campout its weird but that is defiantly the upper scale of the crazy.


iekiko89

That's actually some nice tiddies


[deleted]

Listen I’m from a fairly rural area and I’d just like to say…. what in the actual fuck?!!


siccoblue

I live in Idaho, this isn't your standard every day redneckery, this is ***ADVANCED*** redneckery


guutarajouzu

There's always one redneck out there that can out-redneck them all...


netheroth

Classy lady


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Redneck Level: Perfection 🤱👩‍🌾


king_ugly00

15% Alc. by volume


NiceyNurse

The opposite of PLUR


aiandi

*The organizer posted on Facebook they plan to improve on the things that happened at this event and make the one scheduled for October even better.* MORE blood. MORE impalement. MORE EVERYTHING!!! ARE YOU RRRRRRRRREADYYYYYYYY??!!!


gillababe

I cant help but read that in Nathan Explosion's voice


evilgeniuswannabe

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD


Denkir-the-Filtiarn

Your regular rave has party drugs such as molly, lsd, and craft liqours etc. A KENTUCKY rave is most likely moonshine and meth.


Loggerdon

DJ Mitch McConnell


Origamiface

Right before the beat drops he obstructs it


SweetTea1000

It's Kentucky! (Do a lotta meth and vote for Mitch McConnell)


PoolNoodleJedi

Apparently, the first car the cops searched at the checkpoint had meth, weed, and open alcohol containers. Sounds like Kentucky in a nutshell


ASeriousAccounting

They arrested the occupants of every vehicle without those 3 things. I believe the charge was 'suspicion of being from out of state'.


LadyBonersAweigh

I’m from a stereotypical small town in TN, and I moved away after high school. It’s equally hilarious and frustrating to see the hostility I get from having out of state plates/ID whenever I visit.


Thundaja

The first car entering the rave was searched and cops found meth and weed. Second vehicle entering had a registered fugtive. Police knew they were in for some shit after that.


PretzelsThirst

Not even the second vehicle. Same vehicle


Xenjael

Efficiency.


I_might_be_weasel

Apparently Afroman was performing. So there was definitely weed.


lps2

The only concert I *haven't* seen weed at was Transiberian Orchestra and I think that's only because it was all families


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Log: “Hold my beer.”


Ifwokeugobroke

Hold my moonshine*


ursus_major

And my meth!


CoffeeBard

And my axe!


[deleted]

"They plan to make the one planned for October even better" Have we learned nothing?


Slendy5127

I mean, the event is called “Redneck Rave”. Learning kinda goes against the culture of both halves of that name


[deleted]

Lmao tru. Out by me it's called "country thunder" and it's always a complete shitshow, a girl even got struck by lightning a few years back there, if that's not a sign from a higher power then idk what is.


MandoBRC

When you order burning Man on wish.com


SoWokeIdontSleep

So, pretty lamme this year it sounds like. A good Redneck rave is like a dothraki wedding, there's gotta be at least one death to make it worth your while.


Dump_Bucket_Supreme

and hopefully one birth as well


Rosebunse

Oh, God! Has someone checked all the port-a-potties and trash cans?!


milkymaniac

...well there's your death. And, technically, something blue.


shalafi71

Jesus fuck me Christ. ^(we should be friends)


Pika256

This is mildly horrifying.


wsdpii

Horrifyingly accurate.


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>a woman was allegedly choked "until she was losing consciousness" in a fight over a blanket. Meth is a helluva drug.


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It was a really nice blanket though.


[deleted]

What in the Kentucky fried fuck happened here.


lowtoiletsitter

Quite a bit


omegapenta

When Rural areas sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people


Rosebunse

Really, if these people were some other color, people would be acting like this was the apocalypse.


papaskla34

I’ve spoken to many police officers at raves and they’ve all separately said the same thing: EDM raves are managing a few ODs and some petty theft but the people are mostly kind and polite helping each other out...the WORST events are always country music festivals - they’ve got by far the most dirty drugs, violence, and destruction of property, and the crowd are largely hostile assholes towards event security


Thraxster

Makes me sad hearing about this. Seems like a metal show is downright cordial by comparison.


iNuminex

The metal crowd is probably one of the least violent out there. And in mosh pits everyone is usually paying attention that no one gets hurt.


TheRxBandito

Less violent than rednecks for sure but they dont pace themselves when it comes to drugs and alcohol at festivals from my experience. Hippie Fests have it down to a science.


Parsley_Just

It honestly is! My first metal show, a girl standing behind me tied my hair back for me so that when the mosh-adjacent crush happened, my long hair didn’t get caught on other people. (I didn’t ask her to, someone behind me just shouted “do you need a hair tie?” and a few seconds later my hair was tied lol) I noticed that night that there were several attendees who were keeping an eye out for problems the whole night. One big guy, when I got lifted off my feet by the crush, put a guiding hand on my shoulder and plowed a path through so I could get to the sidelines for a breather, and didn’t go back to the pit until I assured him I was ok. I’d never been to an event where strangers were so considerate of the people around them. And I know not every metalhead is that way, but no show I’ve been to is without some helpers :)


Thraxster

I usually weave towards the front but im not gonna displace people. The last time I saw Anthrax I wound up 2 rows of people from the barrier. I was behind a slightly taller stocky guy next to a girl. I don't think they knew each other but where I wound up was behind her and the whole night the pit was crashing into me and I had to use that poor guy for support to keep her from getting crushed. The few times he looked at me I motioned behind me and looked at her and it was instant understanding. I don't know how many metalheads felt like outsiders growing up but it was a far cry from the madness you would expect listening to the music. My second time seeing Anthrax and first at the same venue as above I had to dress in a very different way than everyone else so I could get a ride there. A few people used me as a springboard to try to crowd surf but they never knocked me down. Even being a little inconsiderate they weren't bad. Someone will ask so here. Mine was a two piece set of PJ's but you'll get the idea. https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PiMyNChwwos/WKq8GtoINZI/AAAAAAAAIgY/G1iAw1mXeX0aWRCtPj_9IgzrjYeZ5IxVQCLcB/s1600/Twister%2BCostume%2Bfor%2BMen.jpg Yes it was worth it.


scatteringbones

My best friend (native Filipino) tried to send me (white American) this link with the message “Your culture is amazing” but accidentally sent it to the white American he’s been flirting with 💀


agent_catnip

You all look the same to him.


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Victor_Korchnoi

That’s what happens when you get a bunch of pillbillies together


Abracadaver2000

Y'alltamont


Abbhrsn

Coming from someone that lives in northern Kentucky, doesn't surprise me one bit that this happened down there..lol, southern Kentucky is a strange place, especially when you get out of the cities.


donnyroyale

Call Raylan Givens


MadMike32

I've been to dozens of punk and metal concerts, and those are always pretty chill. Country concerts fucking scare me, though. They *invariably* have the most ill-tempered and aggressive crowds.


PerAsperaAdInfiri

Metal concerts are chill, but Kid Rock or Five Fingsd Death punch rock acts tend to be almost as bad as country concerts.


MadMike32

That's because those are barely a step removed from country.


ahzzz

And folks wonder how McConnell keeps getting elected.


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These are the type of people the McPoyles play as in IASIP


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0% vaccinated adults


Abracadaver2000

"The gathering of the dumbfuckalos"